AMD Strix Point Price Shocker: Zen 5 Costs DOUBLE Zen 4
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Posted by MGTID@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 136 comments
hackenclaw@reddit
the GPU are heavily bottlenecked by the memory bandwidth. I wonder why AMD even bother increasing it from 12CU to 16CU, those 4 CUs still eat up die area.
Kryohi@reddit
The rumor is they originally planned to put a small (like 16MB) infinity cache on it, but with the NPU requirements set by Microsoft they had to abandon the idea.
AvoidingIowa@reddit
Nothing like having to make a worse product so Microsoft can take a picture of your desktop every 5 seconds. SteamOS really needs to come out soon.
maybeyouwant@reddit
What will SteamOS do that a normal Linux distro with Steam installed won't?
DerpSenpai@reddit
Nothing, hell i think SteamOS should have been made with Debian as the base and not Arch
I'm not using SteamOS over PopOS anytime soon
kpd328@reddit
The old SteamOS from the Steam Machine era was Debian based. IIRC Valve said they switched to an Arch base so that they could have easier access to quicker updates, which Debian very much lacks.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Steam OS for the deck has all unscary proprietary drivers for its hardware which regular Linux OS don't have.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Come with proprietary drivers for all your gaming hardware because its not run by morons?
maybeyouwant@reddit
https://nobaraproject.org/
Does Windows also come with proprietary drivers for all your gaming hardware?
Strazdas1@reddit
Yes. Annoyingly so. For example windows will install its proprietary GPU driver that you have to replace with proper GPU driver to make the most out of your dGPU.
Strazdas1@reddit
Have market penetration.
AvoidingIowa@reddit
Be useable out of the box for gaming?
maybeyouwant@reddit
Nobara exists.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
No drivers for my surface books track pad, keyboard or wifi card. We using different idea of "Usable out of the box"
maybeyouwant@reddit
Hm, and you think SteamOS will come with those. OK.
PNWSkiNerd@reddit
Recall is off by default fyi
AvoidingIowa@reddit
for now
PNWSkiNerd@reddit
Recall is off by default and enterprise customers will flip their shit if that changes.
Slyons89@reddit
Since all of the recall data is stored and processed locally, on an encrypted system with proper corporate security it’s not as much of a nightmare as people make it out to be. Although I’m sure the general recommendation for any data security sensitive business will be to disable it.
Strazdas1@reddit
The reason Recall was delayed is because its NOT encrypted and does not have proper corporate security. Thats the nightmare.
Slyons89@reddit
I meant the entire system, the storage needs to be encrypted, and the system needs to be protected by well crafted group policy, a strong antivirus and malware prevention suite, and a data-loss-prevention software with proper configuration, always-on VPN with web filtering and protection, the whole enchilada. That way, because the data from recall is only processed and stored locally and not transmitted to the internet, it is just the same as keeping patient records, confidential documents, or anything else stored on the device. Which is totally normal to do on a corporate system, when those protections are in place.
PNWSkiNerd@reddit
That too.
No matter how much ignorant fools in this sub want to down vote me for not playing to their stupid narrative: every corporate it person I know intends to block it via gpo and does not want recall.
But that doesn't mesh with the "corporation bad! All bad! No good!" Narrative. Corporations are usually bad, but only when it serves their interests
Narishma@reddit
Enterprise customers are probably the ones most salivating for this 'feature'.
PNWSkiNerd@reddit
No, no they absolutely are not and the fact you think they are shows you know nothing about laws like HIPPA
8milenewbie@reddit
Crazy that you're being downvoted with no counterarguments.
Hey /u/Narishma, explain why the fuck enterprise customers would be "salivating" to have Recall on their own systems, especially for customers that are supposed to handle sensitive information from other corporations and governments?
Strazdas1@reddit
I dont thiink corporate wants Recall due to sensitive data breach possiiliy, but ill play the devils advocate. Corporate may want Recall to be able to track what their workers are doing with increased precision and give the middlemanagement easy to understand interface to check up on people at any time.
Geddagod@reddit
Intel claimed that it's implementation of a 8MB SLC is not that useful for the iGPU at all, actually, so I do wonder how much a 16MB SLC on Strix Point would have helped their iGPU as well.
Kryohi@reddit
Tbh 8MB is really small, and at the same time I think Lunar Lake is a more balanced design, maybe just a slightly larger igpu would have seen more bandwidth bottlenecks and the benefits of a SLC. But who knows.
Geddagod@reddit
The Intel guy claimed it was due to the memory footprint of the applications that use the iGPU not really fitting well into the SLC. So I suppose a 16MB SLC could be much better, but the question would be if it's big enough, ig?
Tuna-Fish2@reddit
There is a huge difference between 8MB and 16MB. Because at 1080p, 8MB is just ~4 bytes per pixel of framebuffer, while 16MB is ~8. The z-buffer alone is 4 bytes per pixel, and you need to fit color too.
16MB is the minimal amount of cache that could make use of temporal locality for a GPU at 1080p. (And this assumes that all texture accesses bypass the cache.)
porcinechoirmaster@reddit
Realistically, if you're using a deferred renderer, you want at least 24MB for 1080p. IIRC, the "baseline" requirements for single-pass deferred rendering is about ten bytes per final pixel spread across your position, diffuse, normal, and specular buffers.
You can cut it down a bit by tiling or splitting some of the rendering into multiple passes, but that's trading off compute performance for bandwidth.
It's also nice to have a bit of extra storage room because that lets you do shadowing or transparency, so I'd personally advocate for 32MB just to keep some extra breathing room.
Exist50@reddit
Could surely have scaled back the GPU at the same time that decision was made.
riklaunim@reddit
Maybe also for binning decisions? You overshoot with CUs for best bins, but with defects creating lower SKUs it's more likely to have 12-16 CUs and performing as previous top iGPU or bit better while sitting in mobile Ryzen 5 or alike. And the best bin could go with the fastest LPDDR5X it can handle.
Wrong-Historian@reddit
They did increase the memory to Quad Channel LPDDR5x 8000+. That would give it something like 250GB/s of bandwidth. Combine it with some extra cache and it should be by far the beefiest iGPU we have ever seen.
PMARC14@reddit
That is Strix Halo which is separate. Also Strix Halo has a 16 Mb MALL, which I wonder if it was originally 32 before the NPU requirements.
Wrong-Historian@reddit
Oh god, you're right. I was confused between Strix Point and Strix Halo here...
INITMalcanis@reddit
The Phawx asserts that it's about power management; basically those 16CUs can do more on a similar power budget because they can clock lower.
benjiro3000@reddit
Yes and no ...
The 780m had a max boost of 2700Mhz and it hit if constantly because any workload that is not some 2d game, tends to flex those underpowered iGPUs to the max.
The 890m has a reported maximum engine boost frequency of 2.90 GHz.
More cores is good, but you expect then that they downgrade the max boost frequency.
But now you have 16CU that are memory starved. I remember in the past doing the math, and it was basically that a Steam Deck had like 50% more bandwidth per core, vs a 680m. And that is why it was able to keep up so well, against a lot of handhelds with 680/780m. I have seen the effect on a basic 780m with SODIMM (5600 with a horrible 46CL). When you put a 8700G in a dimm board with 7200 32CL memory, the boost is like 30% or more. This is why so many mini-pc's are crippling those iGPUs.
When you get DIMMS to 9000, your still seeing major performance gains on a 12CU 780m. Even more with tweaked memory. So again, ... 16CU????
The issue is that your now "wasting" 1/4 extra silica. I expected the 890m to have 16MB infinity cache to help feed those all those cores. And i like to also point out, all that bandwidth is shared with your OS/Other programs unlike dGPUs. Look up the 6400 what is nothing but a iGPU, and yet, it can do way, WAY better then its iGPU brother, simply from that {not impressive} amount off dedicated memory/bandwidth.
996forever@reddit
Every move they made outside of the enterprise/data centre/embedded semi custom sector in the past couple years told us their preference is maintaining or even increasing margins over gaining market share regardless of their current position 🤷♂️
Puzzleheaded_Fox3546@reddit
Well, there's goes my dream of a Steam Deck 2 in the near future.
autogyrophilia@reddit
They are supply limited. They couldn't take advantage of increasing market share as much.
LeotardoDeCrapio@reddit
AMD is most definitively not supply limited at this point mate.
996forever@reddit
Supply limit from them reducing 4nm orders from TSMC themselves. N4 isn’t at full capacity at TSMC.
HippoLover85@reddit
They reduced orders because customers were ordering less chips due to over purchasing coming off the pandemic. Their net profit on their client cpu sales has been very weak the past 2 years and is significantly less margin and profit than what nvidia, qualcomm, and intel charge for their consumer chips.
sharkyzarous@reddit
so they are not supply limited?
HippoLover85@reddit
Amd has not made any mention of tight supply for any cpu, gpu, or apu sales as it relates to tsmc silicon (non-cowos). There is no reason to think they are supply limited other than making the mistake that cowos limits also apply to cpus (they dont).
masterfultechgeek@reddit
There's video footage of key AMD execs (I think Lisa Su as well) saying that enterprise is their top priority or "key strategic priority"
I don't think talking about low priority, lower margin, consumer chips matters when they want to get as much market share in the enterprise/data center as possible where the margins are higher and the purchase order size is measured in millions instead of hundreds.
autogyrophilia@reddit
The demand supply curve is a huge oversimplification but in this case I think it's an adequate metaphor.
This level of production is more efficient for AMD because it allows them to be rid of previous stocks of Zen .
And their primary market is datacenter . Having the prestige of being the luxury brand can't hurt them.
Personally I'm looking forward in 5 years to hopefully having an ARM, maybe even RiscV workstation with 128 cores for my software engineering workloads.
SirActionhaHAA@reddit
You're forgetting some stuff such as gpd being a low volume manufacturer which is buying just thousands, or at most 10-20k units. There's no way they're getting any good prices at those volume.
The other fact is that strix point is indeed significantly larger than the 8840u, the latter bein just 170+mm^2. The hx 370 is almost certainly 200+mm^2\, not to forget the much much larger npu that basically does nothing for gaming at the moment and is a product of microsoft's ai push.
Caffdy@reddit
OOTL, who is GPD?
GladiatorUA@reddit
Handheld PC manufacturer.
invert16@reddit
Always great to see someone who remembers the past. GPD is super sheisty and people always forget come next product release cycle
DYMAXIONman@reddit
Reminds me of 2015 Intel
SERIVUBSEV@reddit
AMD could gain market share further, at least in laptops.
But they realize at 4nm and esp 3nm, there is a big chance they launch a CPU/GPU that is too good in price/performance ratio and not many people come around in a year or two for next launch.
It's not like games will continue towards 8k, then 16k etc, nor are they getting much more detailed than what Unreal Engine 5 can put out right now.
Which is also why Intel's Lunar Lake (TSMC 3nm) is rumored to have 8 cores max vs 16 of Meteor Lake.
Darth_Caesium@reddit
Isn't Lunar Lake for ultra-low-power devices? No use in 16 cores on a budget-oriented, ultra-low-power, thin device that has little to no active cooling. Arrow Lake is for high-performance devices and will launch not too long after Lunar Lake launches.
psydroid@reddit
After Lunar Lake there will be Panther Lake with at least one 4P+8E+4LPE SKU and support for 64 GB and more. Lunar Lake is an attempt to win back some market share from Apple.
systemBuilder22@reddit
I have the number too thinnest laptop on the market and it is AMD strix point hx365 / hx370 (asus S16). Intel says that lunacy lake is for thin and light laptops only because they have failed to make it powerful enough for use in thin and light laptops without melting the laptop!
systemBuilder22@reddit
It's a good point - my favorite video on YouTube looks about the same on my 1080p high-end TV (52") and our 4K high-end TV(65"). 4K 144Hz is really not very important, and it will probably raise the Earth's temperature by 1° in the year 2100! This is not a joke - the EU banned 8K TVs because they waste so much power for virtually nothing in return (except bragging rights)!!!
Vb_33@reddit
Games always get more demanding even during last gens anemic PS4/Xbox One era we went from games that ran on a GTX 460 to games that couldn't even run well on a 970 at similar settings.
hasibrock@reddit
5900x Is still and Pygmyfied BEAST …
psydroid@reddit
The Beast has been unleashed.
I think it's wonderful and I'll be happy to buy an AMD Ryzen 9 5950X when it dips under €150. With pressure from Qualcomm and Intel that will hopefully be the case in a year. I just hope it won't disappear completely by then.
MGTID@reddit (OP)
We talking about apu's cpu from amd for the handheld console
hasibrock@reddit
I got that … however wanter to mention something that’s giving great value
ExtendedDeadline@reddit
Please amd, please stop this price gouging. You are making good products that nobody are going to want to buy in the consumer space :(.
systemBuilder22@reddit
It is not price gouging if nothing else on the market can touch it! It is not price gouging if nobody else offers a similar alternative! Lunacy lake isn't even close! Power efficiency graphs from JustJosh on YouTube show that AMD strix point is the number two laptop chip on the market behind Apple M3 and m4!
Intel is in fourth place of course their products will always be on fire sale when you are in last place you have no pricing power!
ExtendedDeadline@reddit
Reading this post
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
I guess it's OK when AMD does it, I don't see why else you are down voted
auradragon1@reddit
I estimated Strix Point transistor count to be at 40 billion based on die size and N4P. So it's nearly 2x more transistors than Phoenix while being on the same TSMC family of node.
Doesn't shock me that it's 2x the price.
IntelligentKnee1580@reddit
Lunar Lake is on a more expensive node yet seems to be priced the same or even cheaper.
scytheavatar@reddit
Lunar Lake is not competing with Strix Point. Strix Point will blow away Lunar Lake when it comes to performance. Lunar Lake is competing with Kraken Point.
IntelligentKnee1580@reddit
The consumer market cares more about battery life and iGPU gaming than MT performance.
systemBuilder22@reddit
You mean the cult. The cult that is been taught to lug around desktops and big piles of batteries. It may take longer for some numbers of the Intel cult to deprogram but trust me - it is coming and it is coming very very soon!
systemBuilder22@reddit
Lunacy Lake is another Intel crippleware chip like the M-series or the Y-series - dog slow at multicore workloads, and probably throttles immediately after each benchmark is completed! I don't know about you but I moved beyond 4 core 8 thread laptops in 2013!
auradragon1@reddit
Lunar lake is a slightly smaller die.
But I'm betting that Intel's Lunar Lake is being sold at a lower margin than AMD's Strix Point.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
Transistor count doesn't really matter. Cost is about the node and die size. The node probably costs the same. I can't find any number on the die size though. Do you know it?
Regardless, AMD often launches at a high price and slashes prices eventually. I doubt a 4+8 core CPU will remain expensive for long.
auradragon1@reddit
It's the same node family, TSMC 4nm family. So that's why transistor count does matter.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
Why does transistor count matter? If it's 232mm², then why does it matter whether it has 10bn transistors or 100bn? The wafers still cost the same, don't they?
auradragon1@reddit
Because it’s still using TSMC 4nm tech. This is the 3rd time I’m saying the same thing.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
You can say that a million times. That's not an argument.
Just answer the question. If it's 232mm², then why does it matter whether it has 10bn transistors or 100bn?
Geddagod@reddit
Pretty sure denser designs, or using denser cells, end up yielding worse.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
That's a good point! Slightly lower yield. Doubt it's much of a difference, but it makes sense
qywuwuquq@reddit
Because if we are talking about the same node transistor count is almost linear with die area.
Geddagod@reddit
It's not the same node, and different designs can have varying transistor densities, even on the same node. Transistor count is not really ever linear between generations like that with die area thanks to the many different design choices a company can make.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit
That means you can make less chips per wafer. Which means you have to pay for more wafers.
kazenorin@reddit
I think what u/Healthy_BrAd6254 wanted to bring out there's more than just the node and architecture that affect transistor density.
A well known example is logic transistors are less dense than cache transistors -- remember the 3D VCache density story?
In this case, the cache different doesn't matter too much -- Strix Point has slightly more CPU cache than Phoenix (additional 8MB for the dense cores), but the greatest difference seems to be the difference in logic transistors anyway.
At the end of the day, it's the dies per wafer that really matters, if we have that figure we probably should use that. Otherwise, transistor count could be a sound ballpark estimate.
antifocus@reddit
HX370: 12.06 x 18.71 mm
https://www.bilibili.com/opus/959217298443337751
Dependent_Big_3793@reddit
8840u and hx370 wafer may not same price even same n4 node. TSMC keeping raise their wafer price these year.
auradragon1@reddit
For sure. Even inflation factors into it. Then there’s extra cost associated with adding the NPU and writing drivers for it.
Real-Human-1985@reddit
Completely new 12 core CPU costs more than a literal refresh that was already in friendly priced laptops and mini pc’s from its launch as the 7840U 😱
wintrmt3@reddit
If perf/$ is actually regressing not many people have reasons to upgrade, just the ones who's whole personality is owning the latest high-end cpus and gpus.
systemBuilder22@reddit
The iGPU (RDNA3.5) is 15% faster and takes half the power (even the 880m). If you are buying a new laptop in my opinion the hx365 is a very worthwhile deal - hundreds of dollars cheaper than the hx370 flagship ..
Kryohi@reddit
perf/$ has been regressing every time there is a new launch for the past 5 years, and for pretty much every vendor. You want the shiny new thing, you pay for it. Not saying it's a good thing, but it is what it is.
404_Gordon_Not_Found@reddit
8845hs continues to be one hell of a chip for thin and light/thin gaming laptops
MGTID@reddit (OP)
Yeah I get that but double price is crazy
nanonan@reddit
Why? It has more cores and a more powerful igpu. Do you think the 8700G shouldn't be around twice the price of the 8500G?
Vushivushi@reddit
Are you aware Intel's pricing is the same?
Strix Point isn't expensive. Hawk Point is cheap, it's a refresh.
A Lunar Lake i7 probably costs double a Raptor Lake i7.
Hawk Point is a Raptor Lake competitor.
IntelligentKnee1580@reddit
Lunar Lake laptops seem to be cheaper than Strix Point. Atleast when you look at Lenovo.
Vushivushi@reddit
Lenovo doesn't yet have a single like-for-like design between AMD and Intel.
ASUS at least has the Zenbook 16.
$1399 - Zenbook 16 AMD
$1399 - Zenbook 14 Intel
For the same price, Strix gets a larger screen, 24GB vs 16GB, and the Ryzen 365 has 4+6C/20T vs 4+4C/8T.
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
I wouldn't expect a high TDP 12C/24T chip to be in cheaper systems than an 8C/8T low TDP chip. Completely different markets.
Real-Human-1985@reddit
Then you don’t get it.
From-UoM@reddit
The leaker said 8840 which eleased just months before the Ai 300 series. Both 2024 products.
Also its MORE than 2x price.
So i am confused why are people you are using the 7840.
The 8840 is a more expensive variant with the Xdna more available at 16 tops v the older 7840 with just 10
Exist50@reddit
It's basically the same silicon. Just less cut down on the NPU.
RedTuesdayMusic@reddit
Point is, 8840U/H/HS laptops were already massively overpriced, plenty of cheaper RTX 4070 laptops than most laptops with that APU. These units will literally rot.
xole@reddit
AFAIK, the only company with access to Strix Point at release was ASUS, and they were all fairly high end laptops. I assume that prices will come down as other companies release laptops, especially ones that are lower end.
systemBuilder22@reddit
The Asus exclusive ends in October (ie soon) as that's when several mini PC makers will release hx370 boxes. The Asus exclusive was leaked by "Moore's law is dead" on YouTube long ago ...
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
If you think about it, it kinda makes sense though
The 8840 is a refresh of the 7840/8700G. The 8700G is currently about $230 retail in my country. OEM can definitely get the 8840 for below 200. It's also a last gen part after all. If Strix Point costs like $350-400 to OEM, that sounds high but still reasonable for a newly released "12 core" APU.
systemBuilder22@reddit
Strix hx365 is more like an 8-core 8945hs. The 6 compact cores only clock at 3.33 Ghz, so multiply 6*2/3 and you get 4 pCore equivalent for the hx365. The hx370 is therefore equivalent to 9.33 8000-series cores . .
From-UoM@reddit
Or its 2x price of the launch 7840
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
They didn't say that
From-UoM@reddit
Yes. They said MORE than 2x
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
Did they say at launch?
From-UoM@reddit
Did they say current prices?
And the 8840 (mentioned by the poster) and Rzyen 300 released both in 2024
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
They did use the simple present. So yes, that means current prices unless stated otherwise.
The 8700G also launched in 2024 at $330 and is already going for $230 here.
Are you one of the "AMD always bad" people?
From-UoM@reddit
Lmao. Just a few words and you are calling me "AMD bad people"
Amazing. Truly amazing.
Here let me put the exact words.
"I can't tell the detail price but I can tell you the hx 370 price is more than 2 times higher than 8840"
Its that simple.
Why would they not compare launch prices? You don't see reviewers comparing the 9700x to the current 7700x prices now do you?
INITMalcanis@reddit
The sentence could equally apply to either case. The fact is neither of you two know for sure, so you might as well suspend the yelling until we have more info.
From-UoM@reddit
Funny thing is that he says it $230 in his country.
And on Amazon us and newehh has it listed $269.
This shot his entire argument and he hasn't replied since.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
My bad for not checking reddit for a whole 2 hours
My point was to show that AMD does big price cuts in a short period of time.
If they can afford to sell the 8700G for $230 retail in my country, then it doesn't matter if it's overpriced in other countries. It's basically a guarantee that it must be cheaper than that for an OEM.
Using launch prices just makes no sense here imo. If he meant launch prices are over 2x, then he could have said something like "they're currently 3x more expensive", that makes it look like an even bigger difference. It seems obvious, but whatever.
From-UoM@reddit
We know its cheaper for OEM cause they buy in large bulks. It applies for older CPUs and New CPUs.
And they don't buy the older models again for newer prices just a few months after launch
They use stock from the bulk.
If it was likee 2/3 years i would agree with you on "current prices"
But the 8840 is only a few months old and GDP has stock of them they already bought.
The model compared by videocardz here is $380 more.
https://videocardz.com/newz/gpd-confirms-amd-strix-point-zen5-apus-cost-twice-as-much-as-hawk-point-with-zen4
It does have 32 GB v 16 GB ram and 1 tb vs 512 tb storage.
So it would be 80-100 max on replaced ram and storage?
Which means about ~$300 more.
8700G - packaged, shipped and including retailer cut is 329. If oems gets only the chip and bulk that should well below $300
So <$300 of the 8840 and 8840+$300 ish for the AI 370
If the 8840 is $250 than the AI 300 IS $530-550
So the more than 2x price lines up with the comments.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
280-300 more after markup and retail. So probably like 200 in manufacturing? Lines up pretty well with the 8840 most likely costing less than 200 and Strix point less than 400. Interesting
From-UoM@reddit
Its the exact same model. Only difference in chip.
Why would there be extra manufacturering cost lol.
Btw its not a leaker. Its directly from an employee for the GPD discord.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
I think you missed my point.
You said the HX 370 version of the device is about $280-300 more than the 8840 (after you adjusted for the difference in storage and RAM), right? The retail price difference is of course bigger than the actual manufacturing cost difference. That's what I meant. More expensive models generally also have bigger margins too. If the HX370 model costs $300 more retail, the actual price difference between the chips themselves should be significantly less.
From-UoM@reddit
Adds up again
The same Gem10 model with the 7840hs+1tb+32 ram is 569
https://aoostar.com/products/aoostar-gem10-amd-ryzen-7-7840hs-mini-pc-with-win-11-pro-3-nvme-oculink-2-2-5g-lan?variant=47484035891498
807-569 = 238
This is the 7840HS variant. This would be more the expensive than lower binned 7840U and 8840U
And need some correctiom on 280-300 because found this =
https://videocardz.com/newz/gpd-duo-oled-with-ryzen-ai-hx-370-price-starts-at-1650-ryzen-7-8840u-version-listed-at-1270
So $365 more expensive. Taking into account $80-$100 for more ram and more storage about $265-$285 more expensive for 8840U->AI HX370
Lines up well the $241 increase for the GEM10 with 7840HS -> Ai HX370
So if they get 8840u for $250 OEM launch (safe to assume with no cooler and bulk), the AI 370HX would be $515-$535
Again more than 2x
Note
And now i more sure doubling in storage (512->1tb) and ram (16->32) is $80-$100
Cause the a futher doubling from (1tb->2tb) and ram (32->64) is $181
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
$569 before tax for the model you linked vs $690 before tax for the HX370
That's why I found it a little weird.
From-UoM@reddit
Tax shouldn't effect it much though.
The second videocardz i linked gave a better picture comparing the 8840U and AI370x with the caviet with more ram and storage on the latter
The $265-$285 is a very solid guess using that.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
Just ignore the tax. $570 vs $690. If a device with the HX370 costs 690, the CPU itself can't cost like 500.
From-UoM@reddit
I just prices is from China RMB.
Cant convert it. Prices in china and us price will differ greatly tax or no tax
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
Where are the manufacturers located again?
From-UoM@reddit
Aoostar is Chinese. This means any RMB price would be cheaper in china even with taxes included than the us (pre tax)
GPD is from Hong Kong
uzzi38@reddit
Because what matters to both them and people buying their devices is current prices, not original sale prices.
Yes, they literally do. If reviewers compared by launch MSRP only, the 9700X would be considered a reasonably decent product, being a little faster (~3-5%) at a 10% lower MSRP.
Instead it's considered extremely mediocre because it's only a little bit faster for vastly more money than retail prices for a 7700X (and rightfully so, mind you).
The amount of BS coming out of you in this thread is actually remarkable.
small_toe@reddit
Looking at his post history, he rips on AMD in every thread possible while gagging on Nvidia so yeah not surprising he’s arguing in bad faith lol
From-UoM@reddit
Oh do show me where i do this?
I have equally critized and praised all of them.
Amd then go take a look at the uzzi account. You will find the very thing you are talking about.
Real-Human-1985@reddit
But AMD bad!
systemBuilder22@reddit
Worth it, imho. They are very close to Apple in efficiency and need R&D cash to surpass Apple. I paid the price for a strix point laptop, and love it ...
No-Relationship8261@reddit
Why would they not? It's not like Intel is competing.
DigitalTank@reddit
I think we're seeing the x86 (desktop and laptop) market plateau to a zero-sum game. No matter how superior the next ryzen series is, the market share needle doesn't move. No matter how aggressively they sell the product, they don't get a revenue spike that makes up for margin loss. When this happens you set yourself up to be as efficient as possible at gaining that set revenue and maximize the profit. I am still amazed we couldn't get to 50% with Intel, given the trash they've been selling for the past 3 years. I didn't think we'd get to this point at 25%. Lisa Su saying AMD is now a data center focused company reflects this. There are really just little gains left in this market.
Limited_Distractions@reddit
If it achieves carving out a new performance category for their APUs I don't see the price being a problem. It is at least more interesting than the RDNA3/Zen5 logjams they have created by landing too closely to predecessors.