Why are people recommending Linux mint so much?
Posted by unknown1234_5@reddit | linux | View on Reddit | 482 comments
I'm still new to Linux (experimenting since like may, using primarily since August) but I just can't figure out why people insist on recommending Linux mint. Maybe I'm missing something here, but if you are looking for windows-esque UI then kde plasma is way better than cinnamon, and if you want stuff like better driver handling and "noob friendly" tools like pop! Os has then tuxedo os is the same deal as pop! Os but with plasma. I did try Linux mint when I was just trying to figure out what distro to use and it's one of two distros (other one is mainline Ubuntu) where I had major issues out of the box. Even if that weren't the case, I just don't see how it's relevant at all when something like tuxedo os is there doing the same thing with a better desktop environment.
whatstefansees@reddit
As a long time Linux user (20+ years) I am not interested in my GUI looking like any other OS. Why would I want a Windows look and feel? I left Windows for so many reasons in the early 00s.
Mint (Ubuntu with Cinnamon) makes no sense to me. I'm a happy Gnome aficionado and therefore stick to Ubuntu.
chrisbvt@reddit
Same, I've just been using CentOS, and now Rocky. I manage a lot of RHEL machines at work, so I am just used to using Redhat, and it is nice to have the (basically) same OS at home. Granted, I did put Cinnamon on a CentOS 7 machine once to try it out, and it looks nice.
Ok-Major-3496@reddit
I personally like larger title bar command buttons so I'm running a theme that is similar to win7 for that effect. I also like how Mint lets me run apps from my desktop folders, which is something Ubuntu/Fedora and Zorin disallow.
Ok-Major-3496@reddit
I did heavily modify the theme, as well as create a nemo action command for creating windows like shortcuts because the default tool requires several steps to setup.
There were a few other things that bugged me but were easy fixes.
tomscharbach@reddit
I think that the reason why Linux Mint is commonly recommended to new Linux users because Mint is well-designed, relatively easy to install, learn and use, stable, secure, backed by a large community, and has good documentation.
I agree with that recommendation.
I've used Linux for close to two decades. I'm now 78 years old, and in my dotage I have come to appreciate the simplicity, reliability, stability, security and ease of use of Mint.
I use Ubuntu on my "workhorse" desktop, as I have for many years, but I use LMDE 6 (Linux Mint Debian Edition) on my personal-use laptop. LMDE 6 is as close to a "no fuss, no muss, no thrills, no chills" Linux desktop distribution as I've seen.
This is not to disparage other mainstream, established distributions.
I've been part of a "geezer group" that explores a different distribution every month or so. We select a distribution, install the distribution on test boxes, use the distribution for about three weeks, and then compare notes.
Some I like, and some I didn't, but almost all of the mainstream established distributions -- Arch, Fedora, openSUSE, Ubuntu and so on -- are stable, secure, backed by a large community and have good documentation. But none of them, in my opinion, are as straightforward and simple as Mint.
Beautyod@reddit
Ein 78-jähriger (jetzt 79-jähriger) Nerd mit einem interessanten Greisen-Hobby.
Echt klasse (-:
zyxevets@reddit
I'm a bit younger but I use Linux from 1992, and I fully agree with this reply.
Not only I installed many, many, distros (some of them are now come to obscurity), but I also tried more OS than just Linux (Windows of course, since v 1.0 but until v2000 more or less, SunOS/HP-UX, various BSDs, etc.).
Nowdays I still have many other distros in my family managed environment (but all Linux apart one dual boot Windows that was required by the school for compatiblity of their exam software, and one FreeBSD to use ZFS on a very old portable PC), but even from a "seasoned" admin point of view when I manage mint I feel things are easier and "just works".
robclancy@reddit
Everyone using ubuntu when they made the horrible decisions with unity moved away, many to linux mint. Those people now will say mint in place of ubuntu when asking about a starting distro.
MustangBarry@reddit
I liked Unity. I was as annoyed as anyone that they dropped Gnome 2 but I got used to Unity, I liked it. Then they dropped Unity for Gnome 3 and I haven't used Ubuntu since. What a shit show. I'm so glad I left before Snaps
dog_cow@reddit
I actually liked Unity. I was looking forward to Unity 8. Instead we got Ubuntu’s customised Gnome Shell and to be honest I think they made the right decision. Less work for them and it’s the most polished user experience I’ve ever had. I’ve never used vanilla Gnome, but Ubuntu’s Gnome is just right for me.
BandicootSilver7123@reddit
I got many people to jump from windows and mac because they loved unity as it looked and worked differently from what they were used to. My brother still hasn't upgraded from the last unity version. Been trying to get him to just move to Ubuntu unity so he should atleast be up to date..
kevinharrigan99@reddit
I also use LMDE and it’s as no frills as it gets and I absolutely love it. It’s wonderful and is stable as it gets.
PinotRed@reddit
Ubuntu. What a dumpsterfire after snaps.
dali-llama@reddit
Snaps are what forced me to Debian full time.
_Sgt-Pepper_@reddit
You made the right choice
wormraper@reddit
I've been out of the Linux game for like 15 years.... I remember Ubuntu being THE hot stuff back when I quite.
so dumb question... what is SNAPS, and why are people upset with its inclusion?
DigBickeru@reddit
Not too difficult to remove snaps and replace with Flatpaks. Much more secure and I don't have a huge amount of experience with Linux, it's just a few commands in terminal. Chat gpt talked me through it in 20 minutes it was done. Having chat gpt as a tutor for pasting errors and finding solutions has made it sooo much easier to navigate the Linux environment and learning bash, writing scripts etc.
Search "replace snap with Flatpak" and there will be easy guides. Or use chat gpt :)
RaggaDruida@reddit
It is still not something you want to recommend a new user.
With Mint (or TuxedoOS or Fedora) you get a very functional distro without having to do that.
If you're going to go through a bit of trouble to learn a bit, the pragmatic "intermediate" distros seem like a better choice, at least for me. Things like OpenSUSE Tumbleweed or EndeavourOS.
NukemN1ck@reddit
Controversial opinion but I see snaps being a good thing for new users.
Even though they're more bloated and slower, they integrate well and cause less headaches than flatpak in certain scenarios. They're also secure and stay up to date. It's just one less headache when learning linux, and then maybe said user can swap off once they're more comfortable and become curious of the other options.
sannysanoff@reddit
I had to upgrade ubuntu on one old server from 2012 to 2022 or so. It went smooth until it stopped booting after next upgrade. On console, there was strange error straight in kernel before even init launch.
Short googling recommended booting in recovery, chrooting to installation, upgrading snap. The few comments below deleting snap was recommended.
Guess what i chose? Yes, it helped. In kernel, Karl.
randylush@reddit
Or use a distro that isn’t broken out of the box.
DigBickeru@reddit
I enjoyed the learning experience and insights gained from fixing those issues, but you are correct. I knew mostly fuck all about Linux a year ago, if I had used mint or something that just worked like windows, maybe still know close to fuck all.
BandicootSilver7123@reddit
Snaps work just fine and there's even apps not available as deb flatpak or rpm tjat are just snaps. Wouldn't wanna miss out on commercial software so I'm not leaving snaps
Strong_Elderberry418@reddit
First thing I do post fresh Ubuntu install is disable snaps
SHDighan@reddit
I still remember their Event system init replacement. It was their in-house developed answer to systemd replacing sysv init. In theory it was neat, in practice not so much. At the time there was a lot of systemd hate, so it made a certain sense. I quit using Ubuntu because of it and went to Fedora then. I am back using Ubuntu and have the same issues with Snap. I am certain at some point they will get with the rest of the Linux distros and comply with a standard, but it may be AppImage and not Flatpack. Ubuntu is not afraid to go big and make mistakes. I respect that, really appreciate the ease of use, and the support provided by both Canonical and the community.
mrtruthiness@reddit
Some facts for people who apparently don't know:
That init system was called "upstart". It was not an "in-house developed answer to systemd". The fact of the matter is that it was already used as the default init in RHEL before systemd was even started. upstart was created long long long before systemd.
snaps were released a few days before the first line of code was checked into flatpak (which was called xdg-app at that time). Again: snaps were before flatpak.
SnooCheesecakes2821@reddit
Snsps where ok conseptually but in practice not so much. They’re ok on ubuntu annywhere else its looking like the servers intentionally cause dlowdowns indicating ti ubuntus alignment.
cyber-punky@reddit
Mint will make equally dumpsterfire quality mistakes in the future.
birds_swim@reddit
Probably the coolest comment I've seen in a very long time. I wish I knew more folks like you in real life!
I feel like you have the perfect testimony. You're like in the ideal category of folks that companies like MS, Apple, and Google actively seek out for UX/UI research. Can this random User use our software product with ease and as little friction as possible? Does he/she think it's simple to use?
I hope the Linux Mint Team sees this comment. The way you write and describe your experiences was highly informative and very educational.
Thanks for being a cool "geezer". I'm proud to be in a community with you in it.
rivecat@reddit
Bro just casually flexed that mad wisdom, props to you my guy
cryptospartan@reddit
Has anyone tried gentoo yet?
freedomlinux@reddit
sorry, still compiling /s
pinklewickers@reddit
How does this translate to something that my mother might understand? Even as someone who uses Linux daily, I'm not sure what this means.
Are you referring to a desktop experience?
Genuine question.
GreenGrass89@reddit
I think a lot of it too is Mint has straightforward GUI tools for most everything, so a user coming from Windows will have to minimally touch the terminal.
And it’s just a solid distro. I distrohop a lot, and Mint is just one of those distros where things generally work out of the box without too much tinkering.
DocEyss@reddit
bump
dablakmark8@reddit
As a linux/mac/ windows user i have dual boots and triple boots with hackintosh on all my desktops and laptops in my home.
I work with all kinds of software and they are dangerous stuff,,,,,,,,i have come to learn one thing is that linux do not just work out the box,no matter the distro you will always have to work at it.There is no spoon feeding.A little bit of research and some time can make all the difference.Solving complex issues takes work.
Nothing is free in this world somewhere something got to give...........LIVE LOVE LIFE LINUX.....................W3 Ar3.....L3gi0n.
Appropriate_Sale_626@reddit
Coolest geezer on the planet(78 is not old, you should meet my grandfather at 97 still going for walks), I love how eloquent folks were before the internet. I've been reading a lot about older people getting into computers and starting programming in their later years, you really can never know what someone is interested in from the surface. It does make sense as you are part of the earliest adopters of technology we have.
CORUSC4TE@reddit
My neighbour still declined help cutting his trees at that age. He is over 100 now and does not do it himself anymore... Thank goodness.
Gil-rubius@reddit
Porque es sencillo, fácil de usar, amigable y sin complicaciones. Migré de Ubuntu a mint y el cambio fue evidente.
damien29710@reddit
J'utilise mint depuis 2017 sur des vieux pc dont personne ne veut plus. Ca me rappel XP, simple, léger efficace.
Mon frère m'a donné son pc de 2014 en 2021, j'y ai mis mint, j'ai rien touché depuis.
Je travail au quotidien sur 365 + win11, je trouve que l'ensemble Opensource est largement suffisant pour une utilisation quotidienne. A part quelques macros excel, je m'y retrouve bien.
Mon seul problème depuis des années: la gestion / le formatage des clef usb ou HDD et quelques pilotes imprimantes mais de plus en plus rare. Le standard de formatage, la gestion des partition c'est le seul bémol depuis des années quel que soit les outils testés. Pour le reste que du bon.
Je suis pas fan du tactile pour les enfant, je préfère qu'ils apprennent sur des machines à l'ancienne, pour la fin de maternelle / primaire je recommande primtux, très bien.
zfrr_brdd@reddit
bro linux mint is so easy for new linux users, linux mint have a special app store where you can just install apps like in microsoft store or better, it means if you firsly want to use linux, linux mint is your the best variant, but know, every linux distro dont have a very popular and more needly programs like a AE or premiere pro, and you cant just download games for "free" like a torrent
ultrasquid9@reddit
I always tell beginners to go for Bazzite OS. It shouldn't have any driver or codec headaches, and is extremely similar to SteamOS in both appearance and function (technically its based on Kinoite rather than Arch, but a new user will not know or care about that).
Helmic@reddit
This is my feeling with this. A lot of people are talking about Mint being "stable" and "easy to use" in very generic, non-specific terms without really specifying what it does that other distros do not do, and I think that has much more to do with it being an old and established distro that people remember being easy for them to use years ago in an environment where there were not very many user-friendly distros.
But in 2024, there's quite a few distros now that focus on being accessible to new users and Mint IMO is no longer unique in this, but Mint's old packages do present challenges to new users and in particular can cause problems with playing games, a very common activity that even supposed "non-gamers" will engage with from time to time on their home desktop.
I think immutable distros have been truly battle tested with Steam OS, that has actually survived contact with a lot of people who had no idea that they were using Linux. I think restricting novice users to Flatpaks is a good move, and I think having Distrobox available for more advanced users to keep those packages separated from the system does a lot to maintain system reliability in a tangible sense in a way that Mint's native packages do not. I think Mint has issues with users going for PPA's meant for an incorrect version of Ubuntu or otherwise not being able to install reasonably up to date applications at all without compiling themselves (opposite of user friendly) or hoping there's a Flatpak. In particular, I think immutable distros handle updates a lot more smoothly and in a way that's less intrusive, with a much easier method for recovering from a bad update by just picking an earlier date when they go to boot up.
And, in addition to all this, I think Bazzite's focus on gaming settings in particular removes the motivation for a lot of new users to make changes to their system in the first place, which is where a lot of Mint users run into problems. If you already have the exact same gaming setup as many other users, you can more easily find support for your gaming configuration than you can find support for an installation of Mint that's set up for playing games.
I think in the coming years the recommendations people give will shift as people realize there's other distros that preinstall Nvidia drivers for you now or set up Wine to handle EXE's. I think Mint's mostly the beneficiary of name recognition at this point.
PickPocketR@reddit
This, 100%
I am a more recent Linux user, and I saw zero benefits with mint. It looks even worse than windows 8.
I went straight to Manjaro, and never had any stability issues.
Helmic@reddit
If you like Manjaro, you might be better off with something like CachyOS, which also sets up an Arch-based system with a reasonable KDE setup but with some performance improvements and not nearly the same shady reputation Manjaro has for mucking up the basics. It also has fewer issues with the AUR as its package base is at most a couple hours behind upstream Arch.
adamkex@reddit
There's one thing I've never understood about Manjaro and AUR. Isn't it possible for them to snapshot it every few weeks to eliminate the issues with it?
Siverhawk85@reddit
Das AUR wird weder von Manjaro, noch von Arch offiziell unterstützt. Die PKBUILDS beinhalten lediglich eine Reihe von Befehlen, die dazu gedacht sind aus Quellcode ein Programm zu erstellen.
Jeder Nutzer, welcher ein PKGBUILD ins AUR einstellt, passt dieses seinen eigenen Bedürfnissen an. Es ist kein Arch exklusives Repository. So kann es durchaus auch vorkommen, dass ein Manjaro Nutzer ein PKGBUILD in das AUR einstellt, welches auf Manjaro zugeschnitten ist und mit Arch zu Problemen führen kann.
Es wird ohnehin empfohlen vor jeder Installation eines Pakets aus dem AUR das PKBUILD näher unter die Lupe zu nehmen und dieses gegebenenfalls anzupassen. Außerdem kann dann auch verifiziert werden, dass sich kein Schadcode im PKGBUILD befindet.
Das erfordert natürlich ein gewisses Maß an Verständnis dafür, was die einzelnen Befehle in den PKGBUILDS bewirken. Irgendwelche AUR Pakete blind zu installieren halte ich für den Tod jedes Systems.
Ohnehin empfinde ich Arch Distributionen eher als ein Hobby, als ein Betriebssystem. Man ist mehr damit beschäftigt Foren zu irgendwelchen willkürlich auftretenden Problemen zu durchforsten, als damit produktiv zu arbeiten.
Helmic@reddit
Like the PKGBUILDs? Possibly, I could see that working. I don't think they - or really anyone - has the resources to comprehensively provide all the binaries compiled from the AUR against Manjaro's binaries given that the Chaotic-AUR can't even do that. Lowers the problems from pamac sometimes doing boneheaded things that turns it into a DDOS botnet where everyone just trying to search for packages ends up pinging the server with every single keystroke when Manjaro's the one footing the bill
adamkex@reddit
Yes, preferably the comments and patches as well. Not pre-built binaries. With that said I am not an Arch enjoyersince like 2009 so I am not very familiar with the any changes since then.
PickPocketR@reddit
Oh, I switched away from Manjaro a while ago. I just ended up using Arch lol.
But I'm currently just daily driving a windows laptop, since I need some programs for school, and music production.
OnePunchMan1979@reddit
Well, from my point of view, because it has all the good things about Ubuntu, which is a lot, and none of the bad things, which is not a little lately. Compatible with Nvidia out of the box. Very stable and reliable. Simple to set up, use and maintain long term. With a self-developed DE that offers a workflow more similar to Windows or KDE, greatly reducing the learning curve from the start. And if all this is not enough for you, a large and friendly community that will answer any questions without looking over your shoulder. One of the clearest and most coherent projects I have seen is my more than 20 years using Linux
Solid_Tip1966@reddit
I personally prefer KDE over Cinnamon because there are certain things KDE just does better for my workflow. For example, I rely heavily on Krunner to quickly open documents I use regularly and even for simple calculations—it’s such a convenient tool. Achieving the same functionality in Linux Mint isn’t as straightforward.
Another thing I love is Spectacle, KDE’s screenshot tool. Its built-in annotation capabilities and the option to share directly via Imgur are incredibly handy. Cinnamon doesn’t offer anything quite like that. And then there’s Dolphin—hands down the best file manager on Linux, in my opinion. Its file preview feature alone is a game-changer for me.
There are a few other features in KDE that I didn’t find in Linux Mint, but I have to say, I admire and sometimes even envy how popular Linux Mint is. Clearly, they’ve nailed something that other distros haven’t.
Haunting_Book_239@reddit
Linux Mint es popular para nuevos usuarios porque es fácil de usar, estable (basado en Ubuntu LTS) y tiene una interfaz familiar (Cinnamon, similar a Windows). Además, viene con controladores y codecs preinstalados, lo que evita complicaciones iniciales. Aunque opciones como KDE Plasma o Pop!_OS tienen sus ventajas, Mint es una opción sencilla y confiable para empezar en Linux.
Difficult_Bend_8762@reddit
I think it's the easiest one to use
Henona@reddit
I like the cute names they give versions 😌
TheFlyinPie@reddit
It's easier to switch on Linux Mint because it's the closes thing to Windows & MacOS (But better)
Turbulent_Echidna423@reddit
i just installed. i used to run Suse for the longest time years ago.
ifyouneedafix@reddit
Linux Mint is the first and only distro that has worked for me. I've been trying out distros for 20 years. Each time there are so many issues that I go back to Windows. Linux Mint is the first distro that has given me FEWER issues than Windows. (And yes, I've tried several distros with KDE, it kept crashing and failing updates on more than one device).
If the goal is to win users over to Linux from Microsoft and Apple, the only way to do that is by improving and recommending Mint, or making a distro that is similar to Mint and does it better.
NetoGaming@reddit
Mainly because the team behind Mint has been perfecting their distro over time. The result is a very refined experience. I'd go as far as to say it's overall the best distro for the masses.
Dimitrys_ASF@reddit
In my opinion, Linux Mint mostly utilizes GUI tools for most of the "terminal" cases. Whilst almost creating a great environment for those who switch from Windows to Linux. I don't really like Ubuntu (which normal Linux Mint is based on), and that's why I use LMDE, but unfortunately they are missing the Driver Manager which can manage my Nvidia drivers.. Anyways, the problem isn't the distro in that case, (also Linux Mint is rock solid because of the Debian base) it's the Desktop Environment. KDE did a great job at """""""replicating""""""" Windows-like look and feel. But it feels buggy in every update.
Separate_Paper_1412@reddit
Because Linux mint is based off of Ubuntu which is rock solid, but Ubuntu has a bad reputation so why not use the best of it while not actually using it? That's what Linux mint is.
Amazing_Leek_9695@reddit
It's such a fucking bad recommendation when Mint doesn't have up to date packages or drivers.
It's like they're trying to drive people away from Linux.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Tbf a lot of the people recommending it probably haven't actually used it in a while, but they want to try and get new users on Linux so they recommend what they think is best for new users.
Amazing_Leek_9695@reddit
It'd probably be perfect for new users if they just re-based their shit on Debian Unstable, or something.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I think they are in the process of doing something like that
Amazing_Leek_9695@reddit
That'd be cool, got a source for me to read?
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
If you're interested enough to ask me for a source you're interested enough to google it like an adult
Amazing_Leek_9695@reddit
No see, that's the thing; I'm *only* interested enough to ask for a source, because I was on the page anyway. I'm not interested enough to open a whole new tab, go to Google, and ask it there; that's too much work. I'm gonna keep scrolling Reddit now, thanks.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Cool but I'm not interested at all and I have no obligation to look stuff up for you. If you want to know something you can Google it.
Amazing_Leek_9695@reddit
Then why reply; not once, but twice? Why not just jump off a building and die instead? That's what I'd recommend. 💀
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Because the way I was raised I feel like I've been rude if I don't respond when someone talks to me, and I'm not chronically online enough to have trained that out of me yet. Also, I've reported you for the suicide comment. This is meant to be a civil discussion about why people recommend mint and that kind of behavior does not belong.
dog_cow@reddit
I’m a casual observer of this exchange and while I think you both behaved a little badly, I think your abrupt attitude was what started it all.
This was your discussion and you tell a participant with a question to just Google it like an adult? If you couldn’t remember off the top of your head where you read the info, you just needed to say so. It would have come across as a lot more friendly. I’m sure you wouldn’t have spoken like that to a friend or family member. What made you lash out to a stranger like that?
Reddit is a place for posting interesting links and having discussions.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
He was acting as if I had an obligation to provide him a source, I do not. Pretending that I have an obligation to use google for him is rude so I responded the same way he did. I wouldn't speak that way to a family member because a family member wouldn't have pretended that I had an obligation to present them evidence for something that based on the phrasing I clearly don't remember super well, they would've just looked it up (instead of getting all "erm do you have a source for that, like a child). It was a civil discussion and he began to respond rudely, my "abrupt attitude" was in response to that. He can act like an adult or be responded to like a child just like everybody else.
dog_cow@reddit
For what it's worth, I didn't read his request that way. I read it as "You seem to know something I wasn't aware of. Do you happen to have any more information". You seemed to read it as "That sounds pretty far fetched. Can you please prove you know what you're talking about?". I guess if it was the later, you replied appropriately but I'm not sure that was the case here. All good... your guess is as good as mine.
ToShredsYouS4y@reddit
When I first got into Linux years ago, I installed Linux Mint as it was recommended by the community for being 'beginner-friendly'.
The kernel version was over 5 releases out of date, and didn't support my AMD GPU that was released over a year prior to the version of LM that I installed on my system.
Ubuntu had a much newer kernel and Mesa version and worked out of the box thanks to their Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE), which Mint does not seem to follow.
A lot of problems related to hardware support can often be fixed by having a more up to date software stack. A new user trying out Linux and finding out Mint does not support their system due to out of date packages leaves a bad first impression.
There needs to be a more reliable way for users to update their system rather than relying on third party PPAs. Inconveniences like this is what turns beginners away from using Linux.
Amazing_Leek_9695@reddit
This is why my number one beginner recommendation distro is OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE Plasma.
ToShredsYouS4y@reddit
Agreed. Fedora is a solid option as well in my opinion.
Amazing_Leek_9695@reddit
Yeah, I'd say so; my only issue is the stable release model, I've known newbies who, when time comes to roll over the version, got super confused about it for some reason even though its like one DNF command
so i try to stick to the rolling models
_Sgt-Pepper_@reddit
I think it's because people live in the past.
Without validating this with any historic facts I think mint appeared on my radar when gnome3 felt strange, and Ubuntu went on the wrong track and pushed mir/unity
So I was there, looking for a usable system, and cinnamon was exactly that.
Nowadays? t's just good memories?
you want a easy to install no fuss system?
Choose Debian
You don't want snaps and integration into company driven ecosystems?
Choose debian
You want a clean, modern desktop?
Choose gnome ( which is default in Debian)
..
Lulzvoy@reddit
If you are looking for a Linux that feels like a Windows experience, you should stick with Windows. Use WSL and be happy! Linux is a different platform and the user should keep that in mind when installing a penguin on their machine!
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
You know I'm talking about why mint is recommended to new users so often, not asking for recommendations right? I already use Linux I just think mint shouldn't be recommended so much.
Lulzvoy@reddit
Maybe I didn’t express myself correctly. What I mean is that if the new user is not used to Linux and wants to experience the platform, he should stay on Windows and familiarize himself with Linux through the available subsystem. Linux can impose some new paradigms that new users may not want to deal with immediately. anyway, the question you raised is very relevant.
SquishyDough@reddit
I chose Linux Mint because looked like Ubuntu but with better opinions, and worked out of the box with my Nvidia drivers. It feels close enough to Windows for me, particularly once you add customizations, that it's fine.
My major complaints coming from a primary Windows experience are multimonitor focused. I can't get the exact same taskpanel on all monitors, I can't have a separate wallpaper on each screen, and memory of window locations is inconsistent. I also have some ongoing issues with my left most monitor acting like the primary, even though it's not. It's a vertical monitor, making this kind of annoying.
That said, those issues are not annoying enough to be prohibitive for me, and I'm happily existing and gaming solely on Linux Mint.
Nakura@reddit
I was having the same issues with Mint, but it was very problematic for me since I also use a KVM and it would cause all sorts of problems when switching PCs. I eventually settled for Kubuntu since it does not have the same problems, which is okay since KDE is my second favorite DE. I am considering just ditching the second monitor though so I can go back to Mint since I like it so much, and truth be told, I don't really use my second monitor that much.
Farigiss@reddit
I'm having that right now on Nobara with its KDE Plasma desktop. Games sure look interesting in a vertical monitor 🙂
I ended up flipping my left monitor back to landscape...
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Unfortunately it seems like no DE or OS will let you just have the same panels on every screen. Really wish they would
HipnoAmadeus@reddit
I mean, many definitely do let you ... if you can figure out how, but they won't do it for you
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I didn't phrase that right, I meant as in literally have the same panel on every screen. Not identical ones but one panel, repeated on every screen. There is an open big report on that for kde so we'll see i guess.
GrappleMonke@reddit
Identical screens as in mirrored screens?
HipnoAmadeus@reddit
Yeah, I understood you didn't phrase it correctly. Point is--the limit is your imagination, technically
Southern-Stop-cozily@reddit
Like hardware and OS should support the applications that a user must have. Find out what they are and make sure there are equivalents in Mint or PoP OS. Everything else is just the look and feel. Setting it up for them if the out-of-the-box configuration is unacceptable makes either choice equivalent. If they are on their own they should choose the same settings that others have chosen so that the daily routine of opening an application creating or editing a document and organizing saved files can be done without worrying about settings.
Everything they learn about settings will be forgotten when documents and printing and emailing just happen, like water from a tap. Water comes when the tap is turned on. No one needs the details of plumbing or water management when they are thirsty.
Southern-Stop-cozily@reddit
Updates should be limited to twice a year. Don’t fix things that aren’t broken. Trying new apps should be done on a separate pc don’t let any new app access saved data files, only saved copies. Mint is amenable to this style of work vs. playing with apps and system settings.
Similar_Sky_8439@reddit
Easy and looks like windows (shudder)
rcpinette@reddit
I installed Linux Mint Cinnamon on August 9 as dual boot with Windows 10 on a 13-year old Dell Inspiron. Windows 10 was getting too slow. I've only had to boot back into Windows once. I love how easy Linux Mint Cinnamon is to use. The learning curve for the GUI was so small. I'm learning the CLI as I need to. I love the Linux Mint forums. If I have a question it's usually already been asked and I can find the answer.
Slight_Manufacturer6@reddit
It’s a cult. There is nothing special about Mint.
PacketAuditor@reddit
God knows.... Mint sucks. And any outdated distro like it.
Storyshift-Chara-ewe@reddit
Even as an advanced user, Mint is one of my top recommendations, it's the Linux distro that requires the least configuration of all the noob friendly ones (Fedora needs codecs and Nvidia drivers, plus the one that I recommend (KDE) may not work for everyone due to not shipping x11 by default), Ubuntu doesn't have flatpak by default and everything after that is all over the place, Mint is the easiest one (tho with only allowing verified flatpaks it changes from no config to 1 toggle on the store)
ObjectiveGuava3113@reddit
I honestly don't know...
Why not just use Debian?
It's like picking up a box of generic store brand Captain Crunch even though the real deal costs the same amount
eriomys@reddit
Also depends what Windows users you refer to in jumping to Linux. Pre-W10 or post-W10
carturo222@reddit
I tried Mint, but it kept giving me weird flashes on the screen. I've stuck to MX as my favorite, with Manjaro a close runner-up.
Confusatronic@reddit
If you want a very naive/uninformed and aesthetics-driving opinion based on a cursory glance at screenshots of Linux Mint and a little bit of usages of KDE Neon from a flash drive:
Mint looked depressing. The default desktop image was dark and sterile and the way the "Start menu" (using a Windows 7 metaphor) looked just looked old (like an old GUI from the early 2000s) and dull. Whereas KDE Neon looked vibrant, bright, and really pleasant to the eye. That biased me toward KDE Plasma just because it felt like the people behind it cared about and understood aesthetics better. Aesthetics are very important to me, since I'm looking at my computer so often.
not3ottersinacoat@reddit
I love LMDE but I actually agree with you about the "out of the box" look. It is dull and boring. But fortunately, it's pretty easy to change, even for relative beginners. Whereas Plasma does look better out of the box, but has so many configuration options it can feel a bit daunting. Here's mine :) https://imgur.com/a/4oWjqOi
Confusatronic@reddit
Nice job!--certainly looks more pleasant. Does it go to the darker version on a timer?
not3ottersinacoat@reddit
Yes it does go on a timer, it's a combination of a Cinnamon extension (https://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/extensions/view/97) for the wallpaper changing throughout the day, and a Cinnamon applet (https://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/applets/view/397) for changing the gtk and cinnamon theme from light to dark depending on the time of day also.
Confusatronic@reddit
Nice! Thanks for explaining.
Rich_Plant2501@reddit
Cinnamon is nicer than Gnome, usability of Ubuntu without of Canonical bloat.
ThisWasLeapYear@reddit
I think a big reason is because Ubuntu went another way, as far as privacy concerns for the end users. Mint stepped up its game in doubling down on ease of use and core values as well as helping people leaving/dual booting Windows.
I personally use Debian with kde plasma but that suits me as a lifetime user. However, a lot of people who are new to Linux aren't very savvy and want it to just work like Windows does. While I don't know exactly what problems you experienced, for most people on most common hardware, it just works.
BrawndoLover@reddit
I install kubuntu for people who just want a windows like OS. Works great, kde desktop with all the standard windows keyboard shortcuts, etc.
QuickSilver010@reddit
Oh hey that's what I've been using.... For the past 5 years. Still on kubuntu 20.04
Didn't know how badly cannonical made their decisions cause I'm on an old as heck distro. So I recommended it a lot before, but probably won't be recommending it again. Debian with kde plasma ftw.
BrawndoLover@reddit
Honestly I do not care if I'm installing linux for a general user who needs a working computer. I'll personally take the time to setup a debian kde system for myself, but other people don't care.
arcticwanderlust@reddit
What is the setup you do with Debian? I used Kubuntu, right after install it was usable. Debian is the same way.
BrawndoLover@reddit
Seriously? Getting Debian to the level of Kubuntu would take a few hours of installs. It's a very well configured system.
arcticwanderlust@reddit
I'm a regular user. I don't see a difference between Kubuntu and Debian installs - they both work out of the box and do what I need them to do equally well.
Perhaps for very advanced user the difference is more obvious, but talking about the majority of users, they won't care
QuickSilver010@reddit
Last time I installed debian 12 with kde plasma desktop, it came with a few features missing. Printer drivers and network time management (automatically setting the time).
Both of which came by default even in kubuntu 20.04.
That's only at the top of my head. Honestly, some other distros have had worse kde plasma default installs. Like nixos.
arcticwanderlust@reddit
I see. I don't have a printer, so can't say anything about it, but for me Debian recognized the monitors that Kubuntu ignored. Albeit it was a pretty old Kubuntu install.
I just don't understand when people claim Debian install needs multi hour post install setup. When in my experience as an amateur user everything worked fine out of the box. I keep thinking maybe I'm missing some important things that I need to configure, but whenever I ask no one is giving me a clear answer as to what it is that differentiates Ubuntu so much that an average user would notice
BrawndoLover@reddit
If that were the case then it wouldn't be a distro, it is unique compared to Debian.
arcticwanderlust@reddit
So you have nothing specific to back up your "several hours of setup" claims?
BrawndoLover@reddit
Make your own distro and you'll understand
DistantRavioli@reddit
Such as? All I'm aware of is the Amazon thing from a decade ago.
kneziTheRedditor@reddit
I think people might also include snapstore in this? I know, it's not exactly about privacy, but maybe people mean this? Anyway, snapstore is a turn-down for me.
gmes78@reddit
People will continue repeating this, no matter if it's true or not.
DistantRavioli@reddit
What worries me is how many people upvote it but every time I've ever questioned them I've never gotten a straight answer
nhaines@reddit
They were looking at integrating Ubuntu with the Internet. At first, they just had a web-link to Amazon with an affiliate code by default, that just opened amazon.com in Firefox.
In addition, as part of the run-up to their integration with Amazon Music and other online sources (shopping, music, weather, etc.) they had Amazon Shopping as one of their integrations for the online search. The one that said "Search your computer and online sources" and then everyone was angry that it searched your computer and online sources "without telling you."
The web integration in 12.10 was amazing. You could have GMail or Yahoo! Mail open, or be playing music, and the messages indicator would light up if you got an incoming email (and would take you to the right Firefox tab if you clicked on the indicator) or the media controls would show your media information for your music in Rhythmbox or your web browser and you could play/pause/skip no matter what you were doing. You could search music, for example, and get your local library plus Amazon Music or Ubuntu Music Store (powered by 7Digital) results and listen to previews right in the Dash. It was really something else.
But, no one bought into it and it was a ton of work, so after a couple of years, Canonical said 'okay' and stopped working on it. And of course, many detractors criticize Canonical for that, as well. Either to claim victory or to criticize them for not sticking with their decisions.
Well, I talked to Mark in person right after the announcement to move away from Unity was made, and from the tone in his voice, I'll never be convinced that it wasn't a very hard decision for him.
domino_spots@reddit
I think it's because telemetry is on by default but it gives you an option to turn it off in the installer and it doesn't do any hidden data collection
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I'm not really sure either, it just stopped working when I was using it. Didn't bug me too much because I was in the process of trying a bunch of distros at the time.
pocket_nachos@reddit
I use Debian with Cinnamon, it's a great distro for beginners imho. Very windows-y, user-friendly.
Lower-Apricot791@reddit
Distro or de?...I get cinnamon, but is vanilla Debian really easy for beginners? Just curious...I tried to install it ten years ago and found Arch easier back then anyhow
pocket_nachos@reddit
Distro and de are both very friendly. It's pretty much Mint except I've found it to be a little more lean, stable and performant, though to be fair that's very anecdotal, I don't have data to back it up but that's been my experience.
Lower-Apricot791@reddit
But, I'm speaking to actually installing debian..in between I checked out their website...it doesn't seam geared to beginners. I'm sure it runs well, their stable is very server usable. Im sure it's rock solid...but once you have it running on your machine.
arcticwanderlust@reddit
Installing Debian is the same as installing Kubuntu or Mint. Click through installer
RevolutionBrave8779@reddit
The installer is graphical and easy nowadays.
Lower-Apricot791@reddit
Hmmm...good to know. Sorry for being low informed in my response... especially for OP sake.
Unis_Torvalds@reddit
Mint just works. It is easy to install and everything works out of the box. You don't need to know a darn thing about Linux to start using Mint.
As for KDE vs Cinnamon, both are very customizable to taste. However I prefer Cinnamon because it does the job and gets out of the way. KDE is complicated and flashy like a Ferrari, but sometimes you just need a Ford.
Unis_Torvalds@reddit
Also, what this guy said: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/s/1cmFCRLjMt
Unis_Torvalds@reddit
Here's an example (just popped up in my feed) of how customizable cinnamon is: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/s/red32ZMx2e
placebo_button@reddit
Pop! OS has to be one of the most overhyped distros on this sub. I've tried Pop several times on several different systems (always had issues even with a clean install) and I've also been using Mint for years and Mint has always come out ahead for me in every way and has a much cleaner and successful install record for me by FAR.
KimKat98@reddit
I tried Pop and loved it overall but the random updates to NVIDIA drivers that you couldn't opt out of would randomly just totally fuck my system and it drove me nuts. Booted into my PC once to discover my monitor had no signal output due to the 555 driver update. Even if it worked for most people that's great, but forced updates that break random things were exactly why I moved away from Windows. Everything else worked flawlessly. I ended up moving to Mint because I didn't like Gnome anyway and it's been a far more stable experience for games.
barfightbob@reddit
No opt out? Automatic? How? I run PopOS and I manually run updates about once a month. I also image my systems once every 3 months to roll back in case of catastrophic updates (which hasn't happened).
You can also tell apt to ignore updates to packages. I do that with the firmware update daemon which keeps reenabling itself upon update. I've also done that with the amd security microcode for performance purposes.
You have full control of your system. PopOS isn't forcing you to do anything.
KimKat98@reddit
I don't remember seeing an obvious way to opt out of GPU driver updates in the GUI, and whenever I installed an older driver via CL it would still install the newer one (555) the next time that driver got an update. It was my first distro, I didn't even know how to use the command line. It was a bad experience for me as a beginner and neither are issues I have had with Mint (although I know how to use apt now, so it wouldn't be an issue regardless).
Maybe I'm misremembering but I think the UI displayed the driver updates under the "system" updates and I couldn't find an obvious way to separate the two (only update the rest of the system and not drivers). I can't remember if this was on the Cosmic store or the Pop shop, it's been a while.
You do have full control over your system, but to a total beginner that is not obvious and especially their built-in package manager (Pop Shop) is atrocious.
AnotherAngstyIdiot@reddit
The pop shop is truly a mess. I'm still on Pop (it hasn't been a priority to switch but it's in my future for sure) and I had to completely disable it the shop because it would randomly use 100% of my CPU. Seconding driver problems, I have to manually install the driver for my wifi card (unrelated, I had to do the same on windows) and every time there's a system update (and I manually run it) it uninstalled the driver completely! I've looked on the pop forums and reddit about this and apparently it's common and there's no solution for it. I just have to reinstall them every time.
phren0logy@reddit
I don’t doubt that this has been your experience, but it was not mine. Mint was great but it was difficult for me to install gaming and scientific packages, many of them geared round using the GPU. For that, I had a better experience with Pop. Mint is also great. Both are good at the things they’re designed for.
placebo_button@reddit
Mint has a "driver manager" for installing and managing 3rd party drivers such as those for Nvidia GPUs, very similar to Pop so I don't understand why that would be such a different experience on Mint. Scientific packages I can totally see that being very specific to OS and even kernel versions in some cases so yeah that would make sense and very YMMV.
phren0logy@reddit
This was a couple of years ago - maybe I should try it again. But after Pop just worked, I quit jumping around.
KimKat98@reddit
Pop is a weirdly polarizing distro. It worked great overall for me aside from hiccups with NVIDIA drivers so I had my boyfriend try it a long while ago as his first distro since he has an AMD card, and it was *incredibly* unstable for him. Like, interact with one thing on the desktop and the entire system crashed and rebooted unstable. Not exaggerating, I watched that happen once in realtime (aside numerous other issues).
I convinced him to at least try Mint before retreating to Windows and it has worked flawlessly for a while now with zero crashes or stability issues for him. I think Pop can be fickle depending on hardware combinations or something.
Fluffy-Bus4822@reddit
I used Mint for a long time. It's great for work. But I had issues with gaming because Mint uses old kernels. PopOS is better for gaming.
placebo_button@reddit
Mint doesn't use "old" kernels, it uses LTS kernel versions by default, the same that ship with the LTS versions of Ubuntu it is based on. If you need a newer bleeding edge kernel you can still absolutely install this either through their GUI update tools or through the CLI.
KimKat98@reddit
It's fairly up to date after 22. They dropped the "edge" release model and now that's just the standard release. Unless you have super new hardware I think it being outdated is a little overblown now
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
Exchange work for one minute for work for tens of minutes? A special approach.
kingo409@reddit
It's what Ubuntu should be, in other words, without all the commercial crapola.
One-Strength-1978@reddit
Because the out of the box experience is decent.
Book_Guard@reddit
Mint is a REALLY good stepping stone, or even an end for people.
It has a pretty effortless learning curve style wise from older Windows styles, so it FEELS nice for a lot of people
And it's good enough that people don't need to change, it can be the end goal for people, pretty easily.
So yeah, it's a nice and simple OS.
De_Clan_C@reddit
This, and for someone who just needs a computer that works, as long as you're not gaming, mint works. It ships an older kernel, so you probably don't want to run it on the newest hardware, but besides niche activities, it just works.
torvatrollid@reddit
The default kernel that it ships with is fairly old, but it does have a graphical kernel manager that allows you to update to newer kernels. I'm still on Mint 21.3 and it offers kernels all the way up to 6.8 which isn't that old.
De_Clan_C@reddit
I knew that, but a beginner just installing mint isn't going to know anything about a kernel. So that's just something I consider when someone is asking for advice on what distro to use. How many super obscure configurations do they need to do in order to get it to do what they want?
torvatrollid@reddit
Something that has a graphical tool directly available in the updater isn't super obscure.
Most people won't need to know any obscure configurations, they just install the software they want from the software manager and that is it. Most people won't need a newer kernel at all.
For everyone else, it doesn't matter what operating system you are using, you are going to have to learn some obscure configurations. There is no way around it, if you are even a little bit beyond a beginner computer user, then you are either going to have to learn some things or know someone who can do it for you.
De_Clan_C@reddit
True, people need to learn obscure configurations, and if your hardware is old enough you can use an outdated kernel.
However, when they first install and their AMD 7000 series graphics card is not allowing them to change the refresh rate of their monitor because the kernel doesn't support the proper driver to make the card work, are they going to go Google what's wrong or just say "Linux is a pile of garbage and nothing works" and go back to Windows? I've seen it both ways, but having things just work the way they should on the backend helps users have the confidence they need in order to keep using the software.
Shooterism@reddit
This. I switched to Linux when I got my 7900XT at launch. I had no idea about what kernel I'd need, I went in raw, tried installing Debian and it just wouldn't work at all, and information on the internet was scarce at best.
Without the help of some friends who have been using Linux for eons compared to me and knew what to look for, I'd have never realized that it was a kernel issue, and after replacing Debian with Arch, and (at the time) compiling and installing the latest Mesa dev branch, it all worked out.
No average user coming from Windows without a deeper knowledge of Linux will ever connect an issue they have with the kernel, because it's a component you simply never interact with on Windows. Granted, now that the 7000 series has been out a while, it's fairly common knowledge, until the next time new hardware has a hard requirement for a recent kernel.
torvatrollid@reddit
When switching to a completely different operating system, you are going to have to learn some new things. There are always some beginner issues, it is simply the nature of learning new things.
Windows doesn't support my 7900 GRE either, I have to download the driver from AMDs website. Someone who is completely new to Windows isn't going to know either that they have to go to a random website on the internet and download the driver to get their GPU to work.
Shooterism@reddit
Indeed, and I did have the will and conviction to learn and make it work, most importantly because I studied IT at the time and I enjoy solving problems.
I do still believe that while you make a very fair point, downloading drivers to solve an issue is generally more well known to an average Windows user than needing to figure out which kernel they need on Linux, though it's a much easier task now than what it was like back when the GPUs had just released.
It's a fundamentally different environment, which isn't something many people will realize, or account for. I had a lot of baseline knowledge due to my studies heavily involving the use of Linux, but I'd wager that most people looking at switching to Linux right now have little to no background with it, and have most likely only heard of it. I am observing this with a couple of friends which arguably isn't a very large sample pool, but I feel like it's a safe assumption to make.
torvatrollid@reddit
I mean, Windows doesn't support my 7900 GRE out of the box. It doesn't even support my motherboard out of the box either.
I have to go to AMD's website and download the driver before I can set resolutions and refresh rates properly. I also have to remember to grab the newest chipset drivers from AMD's website to get everything working properly.
I have also spent an ungodly amount of time messing around with the registry, running random command line scripts, using DDU that I have to download from a random shady website on the internet to completely clean out my driver whenever the adrenaline driver starts crashing too much, mess around with enabling and disabling various background services that interfere with my GPU and games, and on and on.
People are just used to all the BS that Windows throws at them and there is a bigger chance that they know someone with the technical knowledge to help them if they can't fix it themselves.
On the other hand, Linux Mint even offers an ISO with a newer kernel. All you really need to know to get gaming working is to use the GUI tool to install a newer kernel and a single terminal command that add the kisak PPA and install the newest version of mesa.
And it doesn't matter what distro they use. They are going to encounter problems sooner or later. So they are going to end up with the dilemma to either google what is wrong or go back to Windows sooner or later anyway.
I have never encountered a single PC operating system where everything is just perfect all the time.
Book_Guard@reddit
And to expand on that, there ARE people who switch to like Mint or Ubuntu, that aren't super techy, and they don't care about distro hopping. They just want something that "just works"
LonelyMachines@reddit
I started with Slackware in the mid-90s. I've built my own kernels for audio editing. I know how the whole shebang works top to bottom. And I loved learning it all at the time.
But now? I just want to use the $%&* computer to do work. I want the OS to recognize my hardware with minimal fuss. So I switched to Ubuntu. I learned not to hate Unity until I learned not to hate Gnome 3. Then things got weird the last few years.
So. Mint. Everything worked fine on both computers I installed it on. It runs well, and if I want to, I can still get under the hood and tinker.
And, really...isn't that what we've wanted Linux to be since the beginning?
omenmedia@reddit
I switched from Windows to Ubuntu and immediately hated it. Modern GNOME is just not for me. I almost gave up but decided to try KDE neon, and Plasma made me feel much more welcome. I daily drove Plasma for a few years until it started to feel sluggish on my ageing laptop, and there was the occasional crash or instability issue. So I put Mint onto it on a whim and immediately loved it. Rock solid, fast, no need to mess around with anything, it just works. Perfect for someone who is time poor like me these days.
Book_Guard@reddit
Which is totally and completely fair! I am one of those weirdos that actually really likes Gnome Shell, the only part I groan about is I want to alter a FEW things more than they let me haha but I love the vibe.
But yeah, Mint just works, and that isn't noting! It's a solid OS and it has great selling points! Glad you like it! I also find that Zorin has been my go to for old hardware.
sharkscott@reddit
The thing is, you can turn it into whatever you want. It's really not that hard. You want to code? Code away. You want to game? Game away. You want to tweak with it a whole lot? go ahead. It doesn't matter. And I have to say not switching to snap was the wisest decision they could have ever made. The Cinnamon edition may not have the latest kernel or software for some people but you can still get it if you want.
mycall@reddit
What is wrong with Zorin for new hardware?
Book_Guard@reddit
Oh no, I mean that Zorin is the go to for older hardware, just because Zorin is very lightweight. Not that it's bad for new hardware.
Zorin is another nice simple OS in my experience. I just also use it as an entry point for folks with older hardware, usually.
Illustrious-Many-782@reddit
I've been using Linux since '97, and barely used Windows, but I've been mostly on Linux Mint for over ten years. Before that, I was on Ubuntu from 4.10.
My point is that I prefer Mint without having the Windows muscle memory. The DE is just nice. They kind of steak the best parts of any DE they find.
Separate_Paper_1412@reddit
And so do distros with KDE plasma. So why Linux mint?
Mars_Fox@reddit
personal preference
faisal6309@reddit
I don't like Linux Mint. I would have liked it if it still had KDE release. But it does not. I would rather keep using Ubuntu than Linux Mint because I don't have a problem with Canonical installing Snaps in my OS. The thing about open source community is that those who are very vocal about freedom and privacy are just minority in a large group. They look to be majority because they are more vocal than other groups. Ubuntu has a huge userbase. So does OpenSUSE. These two OS are my favorite and very good OS. Basically, Ubuntu for DEB and OpenSUSE for RPM.
Ignore all suggestions. Try Linux distros yourself. Stick to what you like.
KnowZeroX@reddit
The reason why I recommend Mint to new users is the following:
Mint interface is user friendly, especially for windows users. I personally use KDE and like it more, but the problem is there isn't really a good choice for a new user distro. Tuxedo would be a great option if the stuck to KDE LTS, but following Neon, issues may crop up, especially during major upgrades. And Not going to recommend Kubuntu due to snaps
The driver issue isn't so bad as Mint usually gives an Edge distro and easy way to upgrade to a newer kernel from the update manager. And with recent 22, just like ubuntu they are making Edge(HWE) the default. They also make it easy to install proprietary Nvidia drivers
The community is large and very new user oriented. This is a major consideration because some places can get fairly aggressive towards new users, putting them off
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
KDE6 isnt heavy. We playing with it on PC from 2010 with 2GB of RAM. Fully featured desktop.
adamkex@reddit
I'd say it's kinda medium. Some of the RAM usage I have semi-benchmarked on various PCs with various versions of Plasma.
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
You can't judge how things work based on how much RAM is occupied after boot.
erikthornproductions@reddit
I recommend Mint simply because I love it. In some ways, it reminds me a lot of Windows XP, which I also love.
Marginal_Border@reddit
I've been using Linux for over 20 years. I've been daily driving mint for years now, no other OS regularly used. So like, I don't know. It works great for me. Maybe you're doing it wrong. Maybe try windows again.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Why bother replying if what you have to say doesn't apply to the topic of the post?
Marginal_Border@reddit
I recommend mint because I like it and like everyone is saying, it's a choice. You don't have to use or recommend it, but choosing an OS just for the DE is missing the point of distros entirely anyhow.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Did you actually read the post? It's not just the DE, it's that I feel there are options that achieve the same thing better both with a windows-like default layout and without. I mention the DE because between mint, pop, and tuxedo that's the only major difference.
Marginal_Border@reddit
I read it. It's an opinion piece soliciting opinions. If you don't like it, don't use it. My mom uses mint, and it also works great for her. Not everyone is constantly looking to spend hours and hours tweaking yet another OS that does one or two things better. Like most of the OS, they are choices that are made. You can change the DE. You can change the login manager. You can change the default shell. You can change the default browser, number of panels, wallpaper, widgets, virtual desktops, window tiling, and on and on. The distro is mostly irrelevant if you care about a few things being a bit better because you can take any distro and make it as awesome as you can imagine. Honestly, the question is pretty low rent.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Your comment came before I realized I didn't mention this and made the appropriate edit to the post, but I'm talking about recommending it to new users. New users generally don't know how to/don't want to change all that, and so my point is to recommend distros that allow more customisation through methods they're familiar with (Referring primarily to the settings app). New users are also coming from a system where DEs don't exist, and even if explicitly told it'll take some time for them to realize they can just pick a different one on the same system. My point is that given multiple distros that are all equally good for beginners it makes more sense to direct them towards something that can be adjusted more while still working without issue. Also, it's not a question, it's a discussion prompt. The title was phrased as a question because it was the most concise way to convey the topic of discussion.
Marginal_Border@reddit
I see. Then I'd also add that when someone recommends an OS to someone, there is often an implicit agreement to provide at least limited casual support. I wouldn't recommend something I don't use because that would be a pain in the butt for me too.
Marginal_Border@reddit
Maybe what you're missing is the experience to be able to really grok why it's being recommended, and you just need more experience.
Marginal_Border@reddit
It's ok if you don't like it, but it seems pretty presumptuous to claim special knowledge after 30 days. If you like Slackware or whatever, good!
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I'm not claiming "special knowledge" I'm stating my experience and my conclusions from it. Also, how did Slackware become part of this? Maybe I missed something somewhere but I never mentioned that.
Marginal_Border@reddit
haha no, you didn't. It's just one of many many distros.
adamkex@reddit
To keep it short; it's because it's what Ubuntu is meant to be
BranchLatter4294@reddit
Most users use what they want and don't spend a lot of time thinking about what others are using.
Marginal_Border@reddit
This. They're all configurable. OP should give it more than a month before claiming special knowledge haha.
Ezmiller_2@reddit
I would recommend Slackware as well.
Marginal_Border@reddit
Maybe what you're missing is the experience to be able to really grok why it's being recommended, and you just need more experience.
Zero_Karma_Guy@reddit
They are just pranking you. Fedora KDE Spin is way better
OrionFlyer@reddit
I'm team .rpm these days, but when I was team .deb, I thought Mint was the most polished and stable of them all. This was a few years back and I remember it would easily install it on just about everything. From reading these comments, it is nice to see that Mint is still a great distro. Legendary status in my opinion.
hiimjosh0@reddit
Its a solid distro with good OOTB settings. Some people like to dunk on the "noob" distros, but they are often rock solid and just let you work.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Yeah but my point isn't that it's bad, just that there are other distros that do the same thing that I think would be better to recommend for new users.
crackez@reddit
Such as?
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
The ones I mentioned by name in the post like twice
crackez@reddit
For a lot of people Mint is what they want, even if they don't know it.
"The pecking order still ain't picked the second number..."
marmot1101@reddit
That’s the big thing for me. I don’t do a lot of customizations of whatever I’m using. Just not worth spending time that way to me. So something that works ootb and I can spend that time setting up dev env tooling, writing code or walking the dogs.
dali-llama@reddit
KDE is pretty heavy.
I like Debian with Cinnamon.
Isognomy@reddit
It's super user friendly. My wife uses it on her gaming rig. She absolutely loves it compared to windows.
josegarrao@reddit
Out of the box distro. Panel is windows-like. Zorin and Elementary are good options for starters, too.
thisbitoo@reddit
Because Mint is a simple setup, no fuss ui, useful tools, and gadgets out of the box, not much if any bloat, keeps users in control if they want that. I never liked the green, nor the cinnamon, so I went my way. Me, I use Debian, and for the last 5 years or so, I use Plazma on a laptop, and Gnome om the desktop. Tried it all window managers l, DEs ... ended up on the big ones. Why? Super ultra stable. Great support for software. Native versions of Plazma and Gnome... I simply know it all. And love it
Perrystevens2020@reddit
Over the past 22 years, I've tried most of the commonly used distros. Mint is now my daily driver. It's stable, reliable, well maintained. There's really nothing I need from my computers that it can't do. The best for general domestic use, IMO.
snapphanen@reddit
No clue, it's old habbit. I think Fedora or Ubuntu is better than Mint for beginners now days. Pick Ubuntu LTS for longer OS version lifecycles, Fedora for shorter.
Monocyorrho@reddit
Because it's like the *buntu without the drama /s ?
MoshiMash@reddit
The fact that there is still a bug with dragging icons in task manager (one of the first few things a new user do) even after weeks since the initial bug report - that is not the first impression you'd want a new Linux user to experience with.
Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and Fedora Workstation. Anything else will just scare people away from Linux.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
What big are you talking about? I just dragged something into my taskbar with no issues
MoshiMash@reddit
eg. switching the placement of Firefox and Dolphin in the taskbar. Literally did it just now and it moves the system settings which is nowhere near two icons I wanted to drag.
AssociateFalse@reddit
We're talking about Plasma 6, right? On Fedora 40 with Plasma 6.1.4 @ work and I cannot reproduce that on the Icons-Only Task Manager.
I have noticed on my Bazzite install at home that desktop icons can be "sticky". They will sometimes revert to their previous location when you try to reposition them.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Weird, never noticed that.
Candid_Report955@reddit
KDE is a power user desktop for new PCs. KDE is also kind of a resource hog and doesn't offer more than Cinnamon where ease of use is concern. The usual person coming over to Linux isn't seeking to install it on their brand new PC. Cinnamon and XFCE are best for ex-Windows people trying to make their older Windows PC keep working
picastchio@reddit
It hasn't been true since first few versions of Plasma 5.
Candid_Report955@reddit
There have been people on the KDE forums this year saying KDE Neon Plasma 6 uses 5gb of ram, the last version used about 3.5gb and CPU utilization is around 20-30% when using Firefox to watch videos. That's too much for me.
KnowZeroX@reddit
I think the issue is that there is a different "KDE", like some distros enable PIM services by default, while others do not. Akonadi which manages PIM pretty much runs a mysql server in the background, hence the huge usage. This is why the huge ram usage for those distros that enable PIM. Without PIM, the memory usage is around same as cinnamon
Firefox should also not be using 20-30% cpu usage watching a video. Sounds like their video hardware acceleration isn't working forcing them to software decode
Candid_Report955@reddit
That's interesting to know. I'll try KDE out on a spare PC with Debian and see how it goes.
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
We are using KDE6 on PC from 2010 with 2GB of RAM. Clenly, fast fully featured KDE vs ugly MATE or XFCE.
Zery12@reddit
I agree that KDE is the most resource heavy DE. But even smth like a 4th gen i5 can run it very well, which means it works in old hardware.
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
We run it on CPU from 2010 and 2 GB of RAM beautifuly.
MarshalRyan@reddit
I didn't know either. It seems like everyone's go to, and while I think it's fine, it's never been my first choice. You want REALLY simple, but with Windows-like look and polish, ZorinOS is that in spades.
For pretty much all other use cases I recommend openSUSE Tumbleweed. Run whatever DE you want on it and it works, current kernel, latest apps (as soon as they aren't broken), tools to manage just about everything so you don't HAVE to contribute everything by hand if you don't want to. There are a lot of folks who will say "but I like..." And that's fine. I like a system that works consistently, let's me do whatever I want with it, while still ensuring even my screw ups aren't too bad, and otherwise stays out of my way. Best for that is openSUSE Tumbleweed.
RevolutionaryTree445@reddit
I started on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, Hardy Haron in 2008, I've used it ever since to this day. I am one of the few people who miss Unity..
Ive tried a lot of distros, Mint, XFCE and Cinnamon versions, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, i have zero use for LXDE so not Lubuntu, but I've tried dozens of distros....I always come back to Ubuntu LTS.
I personally do not see the appeal of Mint and find it SUPER weird how many people suggest it for first time users. Ubuntu has more users and more support, Ubuntu is ime more stable, Mint is even built on Ubuntu...so why would the 'built on' version be better than the original? if its just the DE, you can install whatever DE you want on Ubuntu...including cinnamon.
MooseBoys@reddit
Never tried Pop but clicking around the repo, it uses a lot of “PopOS forks” of other projects. Looking at those forks, they are often years out of date, having no updates since 2017 or even older. Meanwhile, upstream has had patches just months ago. For me, that’s a major red flag and total non-starter. Mint, by comparison, seems to have a much smaller set of forks, and they are maintained regularly.
chabalatabala@reddit
Rant: I think GNOME is the easiet to train someone on. 1 single key or menu button to get you 50-80% of the way to anything you're planning on doing between staring at an application. Not multiple multi-key shortcuts or menu chains to get through. you hit meta or menu button, then click another open app, hit menu button and type the app your want, hit menu button then see and interact with virtual desktops to organize activities. If you're full screened but need to change the volume, you might not even know yet but you automatically hit the meta key and bam your panel controls are available and you hit meta again and you're back. It makes it quick because your mind doesn't have to go through a series of decisions to find what you need to click to move forward. It's as low for cognitive fatigue/overload as you can go because your muscle memory gets you half way or more to where you're going before you even think about it. It's not a mobile interface at all, but it takes what people expect about the swipe up gesture or home button on modern phones and applies that catch-all to get out of what you're doing and see all your options, then brings that concept to a very keyboard friendly, firmly desktop system. That being said if the Cosmic folks get a single entry workflow possible by type to search in the workspaces, I'll switch in an instant. So many GNOME devs give me the ick. Most of the modern devs just inherited the single entry genius and actually gnome 40 made it less ergonomic and fast, except on laptops.
Mysterious_Bit6882@reddit
Back when it first started, Mint was "Ubuntu, but with all the stuff that would get Canonical sued if they included it in Ubuntu." They also had a really bad rep for trying to game stuff like Distrowatch rankings.
Arnwalden_fr@reddit
Have you tried Manjaro and its xfce interface? It looks a bit like Windows 10 and 11. I haven't had any driver issues on it.
yukeake@reddit
Mint's a solid relatively beginner-friendly distribution that doesn't have the controversial choices Canonical made with Ubuntu (snaps, etc...), but shares many of the same strengths.
That's it, really. You can potentially do better (distributions exist for a variety of different purposes), and you can do worse. But you're not doing "wrong" by going with Mint. It's a safe choice.
Do I personally prefer it? Not really, but that's the beauty of linux - there are distributions for everyone.
tstella@reddit
Mint Cinnamon is literally unusable for me. I use the trackpad a lot on my laptop, and the trackpad gestures in Mint are just horrible.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Tbf they're in a pretty rough state in general on Linux. Most DEs have a few that you can't change and thats it. never tried them when I tested mint though so maybe I'm missing something.
tstella@reddit
By 'horrible' I didn't mean the quantity. I've been using Gnome, and Cinnamon actually has more gestures. You can even customize them in Settings, which Gnome doesn't allow out of the box.
The problem with Cinnamon is the execution. For example, the most basic gesture is two-finger scrolling. You should be able to scroll faster or slower depending on your hand speed, but in Cinnamon, you can't. Three-finger gesture feels laggy and sluggish; the action only starts about 0.5 seconds after my hand has already finished moving. None of the gestures on Mint follow your hand in drag-and-drop style, like when you swipe up from the bottom of a phone screen.
Gnome only has a handful of gestures, but it handles them perfectly.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I wasn't saying the issue was the amount either, it was just part of the issue I was talking about.
Hour-Lemon@reddit
KDE bugs out a lot. Eg. VideoStreaming to discord & Teams.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I haven't had any issues with that that I didn't also have on every other distro I've tried
jr735@reddit
What I say here will have been said many times. Mint is easy to use and easy to install. In any of the official desktop spins, it gives you a usable desktop, a reasonable amount of software to get new users started into doing the tasks they need to do, and it installs quite easily, both in the install process, and getting along with most hardware.
You bring up desktops, but desktop environments really aren't your distribution, and your distribution really isn't your desktop environment. I've been using Mint for over ten years and I don't even bother with one of the main desktop environments.
Sure, you had trouble with Ubuntu and Mint. That happens. There is no trouble free OS out there, particularly when the OS has no control over what hardware you're choosing to use (Mac and much, much older systems are obviously exceptions to that).
Let's be realistic, though. If I set some generic system in front of you, along with a Ventoy that contained installs of Debian, Arch, Garuda, Trisquel, Fedora, Mint, and Ubuntu, and told you, here's $100 that you can have if you can have this up and running correctly in 30 minutes or less, which distribution would you attempt to install first?
I'd choose Mint or Ubuntu. On my hardware, I can get Trisquel working. I can get a Debian netinstall going beautifully in under half an hour, even before they made it easier. But, I don't use WiFi. I don't use Bluetooth. And I don't have Nvidia. The generic desktop in the challenge might have Nvidia, WiFi, and Bluetooth.
Christteuffe@reddit
people recommend linux mint because it's one of the easiest bones we come from the Windows world.
Mortallyz@reddit
Mint, nobara, pop OS.
My go to for first time Linux users. It's got a few things you might not need on each of them but they have a lot of the basics covered and they're definitely easier to use.
Ubuntu server is the only other option for myself right now because I'm not a great Linux admin. I've been using Linux for a decade and I still use these 4 options. They generally work out of the box for most of my use cases and they have the most widespread adoption aside from RHEL.
Mint seems to be the best for general use.
Nobara is great if you want to game but don't know much about how to get that working.
Pop is good for general use but it's a little bit prettier.
Ubuntu gets a lot of hate but it's still fine. It runs all of my servers for now.
Red Hat/ RHEL / fedora is also a great one as well
knobbysideup@reddit
Because it just works.
I don't want to spend a lot of time mucking about with my workstation. I have servers to maintain.
No_Custard8238@reddit
bcs it's the easiest linux distro u can find
XanXtao@reddit
I think there is a lot of tribalism based in FUD in the Linux community. Quite a few activists moved, in protest, from Ubuntu to mint (due to some questionable technical decisions) and so they recommend Mint regardless of any of its inherent qualities. Good or bad. Then justify their decisions post hoc.
sakunix@reddit
openSUSE is more easy :D
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Never tried opensuse, how is it?
Relvean@reddit
It's easy to use and it has all the video codecs you could ever need, which is honestly reason alone.
Recently switched to it from Windows and can't say I regret it.
WrongUserID@reddit
I don't use Linux Mint as I have moved on to Debian primarily because it works well on servers. However back when I vegan using Linux, I used Mint because it was very easy, stabile and well designed.
ChocolateDonut36@reddit
I recommend mint, these are my reasons: - works out of the box - it's really simple to use and understand - big distro + big comunity = easier to solve problems - up to date and stable - lightweight (at least the xfce flavour) - offers to install proprietary drivers (normal users wants their system to just work)
I wouldn't recommend Ubuntu because now days it feels more like a Microsoft made Linux distro. And I didn't tried pop!os, I wouldn't recommend something I didn't tried yet (I'll take a look later).
I could also recommend debian with KDE because of stability, antiX for resource - limited devices, Linux lite as another "noob friendly" distro.
erwan@reddit
Ubuntu refugees
whosdr@reddit
I actually think that there are more people using Mint now post-GNOME3 than people who initially moved to Mint because of it.
erwan@reddit
A lot of people move away from Ubuntu because of snap, and to Mint because it's based on Ubuntu so it feels familiar.
whosdr@reddit
I don't think it's a lot of people, definitely more vocal people.
(I don't like Snap myself, but was already on Mint. So..works for me.)
Shobhit0109@reddit
Well, I don't know why people hate Ubuntu that much- Ubuntu is more or similar to debian. Ubuntu has a large user base Ubuntu is pretty stable with good gnome extensions support unlike where gnome is somewhat not stable for extensions even after a few years of release Ubuntu has pretty much all software requirements. I can use nix , pipx , cargo , mise, distrobox etc. for latest software which I may need. I can xanmod kernel , pop os kernel or now Ubuntu default kernel all pretty stable and new. Ubuntu supports wayland , double buffer by default. Supported by many big projects. Only problem with canonical is pushing snap which can be resolved in just few minutes like I can easily disable snap and use Firefox debian.
So I don't know why people don't recommend it. Even against mint they are pretty much the same so why not Ubuntu ?
0x52_@reddit
Because it just works
Frird2008@reddit
Mint on my PCs specifically has been one of the most reliable & trouble free distros I've used.
Personal-Juice-4257@reddit
installing kde on pop_os doesn’t seem like a beginner friendly thing to do… i could be wrong tho, and i do wanna try that soon
daemonpenguin@reddit
Pop is large and slow and lags behind in support cycles and has a new, untried desktop. Plasma is complex for new users. Impaired to Mint's desktops. Most distros don't have Mint's five years of support and a proven track record of consistent releases over 1.5 decades, and a graphical update manager.
"Better" desktop is subjective. Tuxedo has a more flexible desktop, but that is not a bonus for new users.
Basically, do some research and it will become obvious why Mint is recommended much more than just about anything else.
Small-Movie3137@reddit
Let's agree to disagree.
If didn't know who you are in real life, I was commenting you to test it before writing.
The current Plasma has different levels of customization in order to avoid to overwhelm the new to it users, the out of the box availability of granular control on it is a perk not a defect, there is no need of crappy external "spices".
Pop is large and slow, lagging behind in keeping the pace with the parent Ubuntu as well as Linux Mint. On the desktop environment: currently Pop used a modern DE, they have a new one in alpha status while Linux Mint is offering as flagship an old fork of Gnome 3. Well, yes "Better" is subjective.
My research gave me a different conclusion: LM has a very little to nothing more than its parent distros, it is lacking behind the new developments, it is basically its parent with on top a Windows 7 inspired desktop environment.
In addition to that, no security team and no automated quality assurance.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Pop doesn't have a new, untested desktop. It has heavily modified gnome and has an alpha for a new desktop. Plasma is only complex if you go and try to change it, and even then most of the customization is drag-and-drop. Idk off the top of my head how pop's updates work, but I know tuxedo os is pretty much just being updated as needed with the major versions really not mattering.
ficskala@reddit
Mint, and pop os are both based on ubuntu, so it's basically the same experience, i personally prefer ubuntu/kubuntu
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Well that's pretty much my point. I'm saying that mint, pop os, and tuxedo os all do the same things based on the same version of Ubuntu but between mint and tuxedo I dont see a reason to recommend mint. Though people have been pointing out that cinnamon is apparently lighter than kde, which would be a good reason for older systems.
krypt3c@reddit
Mint has a much larger community and works on tons of older hardware, whereas Tuxedo linux is designed for Tuxedo's hardware specifically.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Sure but that doesn't hurt it's compatibility. It's not like they have custom hardware like apple, they use off-the-shelf parts and sell all kinds of computers. i run it on a Lenovo laptop that's like four years old and have no issues.
Vivid-Climate-2641@reddit
Mint is only based on unbuntu if you download that version. LMDE is the real Mint, nobody really understands why the discussion revolves around the unbuntu version or why LMDE is not simply called Mint. I personally think it's because more people switched from Unbuntu to Mint than from windows and they wanted to attract more Unbuntu users, but thats just a guess. But when recommending Mint I always specify LMDE as that is the actual base version of Mint.
alwayswatchyoursix@reddit
It's because for years the Mint team has specifically said that LMDE is more of a "what-if" in case something went sideways with Canonical and it isn't the main distro. So not sure where you got that LMDE is the real Mint.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
It's probably because when you search Linux mint and click on the website it takes you to a page talking about the Ubuntu based version
Vivid-Climate-2641@reddit
Yeah that's what I said unbuntu people looking at mint more than normal people, that's why it's higher in the results. That's why I go out of my why to specify LMDE as I know they will most likely get funneled to an Unbuntu portal if they go look on their own.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Sorry I didn't phrase that right. What I meant was that the Ubuntu version is the main page of the site, and I meant to imply that the debian version being relegated to an "other" menu probably makes people think it's an experimental thing.
Vivid-Climate-2641@reddit
yeah, you might be unaware, but it's an on going head scratcher, nobody can give one answer as to why LMDE is not just called Mint and the other called Mint Unbuntu or something. It's weird honestly and people keep bringing it up. What I was saying was my theory as to why it's like that, I also see it changing in the future.
ficskala@reddit
It's mostly personal preference
vishwaravi@reddit
Cinnamon is light compared to kde. And I use linux mint as a daily driver. I themed it. because I don't like the default green theme.
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
Cinnamon is heavies vs KDE. KDE6 is f insane (good) on desktop with 2GB RAM and CPU from 2010.
vishwaravi@reddit
Really? I thought kde is heavy cuz it has complex menu.
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
And another thing occurred to me. Are mobile devices using GNOME or Cinnamon? Plasma is used there.
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
Really i tested it in 2024.
c3h7oh@reddit
Personally I use Arch and Void, but yesterday I installed Mint on my dad's laptop. Why? Because it just works. No fuss. He recognized the desktop layout immediately because it's familiar to someone, whose experience with "new tech" ended in the XP era. It's his first Linux experience, no need to overload it with terminal shenanigans and constant tweaking. That's fine with me, not with a 60 yo mechanic.
dlfrutos@reddit
did you tried it ?
NoCoolSenpai@reddit
Idk about others, for me it's a distro that just works. I tried Arch and Ubuntu before, Ubuntu's UI kept glitching and Arch with Gnome and KDE both lacked good support for the resolution of my laptop (4K)
Meanwhile Linux Mint gave me a stable, consistent, and pleasant experience. I didn't need to install 100 tools for gamma, xgamma works out of the box.
Good bluetooth support and with a plugin it actively scans for bluetooth devices and allows me to connect to them. Also used the autocpu-freq plugin to save power (having used Arch as my second distro after uni's Ubuntu labs, I have a lot of plugins for stuff which I don't check stock options for)
It's a distro you can install and setup everything for your workload in an hour or two, and get back to your work
WebScavenger@reddit
I gave mint to several people who don't know much about computers and they used it easily I do recommend pop to people with more knowledge
gelbphoenix@reddit
Mint is based on Ubuntu and has Mint-specific changes. Meaning that if you are coming from a Windows system you won't have a bad time to learn a new OS and having the desktop unfamiliar to you. Besides that has Mint - because of the Ubuntu (or for LMDE Debian) base good documentation and support.
I personally wouldn't recommend KDE Plasma to somebody who is starting to use a Linux system because Plasma throws you every option at your head and can be overwhelming for the beginning.
Lode2736@reddit
Linux Mint is not a traditional distro. It is more like KDE in that it is a dev project with the goal of creating software for Linux. So Linux Mint is focused on creating a desktop environment and some programs for it: cinnamon, mintupdate, mintinstall, mintwelcome, mintmenu, timeshift, hypnotix, xed, etc. Which are now part of the X-Apps project. The distro is just a way to make these programs more accessible by providing a distro with all the Linux Mint software pre-installed.
The conclusion of this is that there is no point to using Linux Mint if you don't like Linux Mint software and don't intend to use it. So if people recommend Linux Mint, it's not because they like the distro, but because they like the software and the desktop environment.
Another reason why a lot of people recommend it is because it is a rather old distro at this point and it has been the first distro to many people, so I guess many people have nostalgia. It is also a modern desktop environment, since Cinnamon already has experimental wayland support (It is future proof, if you will).
whosdr@reddit
Don't forget Warpinator, which is now used across many distros and is the favoured method of moving files over the network for Steam Deck users.
(And the Notes app is pretty good too, if you ever need a reminder!)
Hug_The_NSA@reddit
I agree that KDE is the best DE for former windows users. Mint is recommended because it just works out of the box on almost everything. Part of it is that linux overall has improved a LOT in recent years. A lot of distros will tend to just work on most hardware now.
The older among us can remember that this did not used to be the case. Even 10 years ago stuff was a lot harder from a "just works" perspective. Back then, Mint was the king of "just works". It gained a reputation as a very stable, reliable, and noob friendly distro and that reputation has stuck with it ever since. It does a great job at sane defaults and a balance between security and "just working".
They used to have a KDE edition back in the day, and I really hope they bring it back. If they did they would still be the #1 distro I recommend to people. That title currently goes to Fedora's KDE spin though.
whosdr@reddit
I've had a look at KDE many, many times. Each new release is getting better, but still needs a lot of tinkering all over the place to fit my needs. And the amount of settings overwhelms me, frankly.
I'm also not a fan of how it handles context menus and per-KDE app settings. That said, I also don't like the way GNOME does (or doesn't?) do it, either.
Z8DSc8in9neCnK4Vr@reddit
"They used to have a KDE edition back in the day, and I really hope they bring it back."
Unlikely, there is a blog post from 2017 that explains the reasons, but the short of it is they are a small team, the tooling they were building for Cinnamon, the flagship DE, was not compatible with KDE, to concentrate thier development efforts where they were needed they had to drop KDE.
You can install KDE on Mint but you are on your own with problems, it's a bit much for one person to try to maintain.
This is a perennial subject r/linuxmint, I have reccomended several times that those who are interested should start a group and start development of a Mint/KDE/Plasma fork.
It could start as just a support group, instalation documentation, git-hub and found work arrounds for common problems, somebody will run with that ball and make a distribution.
Goobi_dog@reddit
I want to know myself as I use Ubuntu professionally and personally and in its current state it is fit for my entire workforce out of the box with longterm security updates that puts my mind at ease.
_Red_Octo_@reddit
Recommending Linux Mint so much always seemed incredibly stupid. It's outdated kernel made sure it wouldn't work properly or at all on semi-recent hardware, which definitely didn't give a bunch of new users the worst headache, dropping Linux entirely. Thankfully Mint 22 is a much better release to be recommended
whosdr@reddit
I think your definition of 'semi-recent' might be a bit of a stretch. These days any GPU released in the last ~2 years is 'latest gen', which is also about the same release cycle as the Ubuntu 24.04 base used by Mint.
Prior to Mint 22, there was an 'Edge' version of the ISO with a newer kernel provided. Though the 'stupid' part to me, was that this was not on the main download page.
But as you mentioned, Mint 22 has rectified a lot of this.
(And also have an upvote, because I think people are being too harsh.)
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
New kernels from history kernels to 6.12 in one minute if its needed. Easy way from a gui programm.
_Red_Octo_@reddit
A new user shouldn't have to find out about this. They would likely not find the cause of their problems despite researching anyway
Beyonderforce@reddit
Dunno. Always thought Linux Mint has a cult or something
whosdr@reddit
Not that I've ever seen. The communities I'm in related to Mint just talk about general tech and Linux stuff. The subreddit is mostly people asking for help on issues.
The Mint team is also very small, a handful of developers. The only drama is when the Mint team make a decision that's different from Ubuntu.
Honestly it's a pretty boring distro and I like it that way.
TheCrispyChaos@reddit
You likely used version 21.3, which had two builds (Confusing huh?) and It seems you didn’t use the HWE (Hardware Enablement) build and instead opted for the official build with an older LTS kernel (5.15). This could have caused various issues that users shouldn’t need to deal with—especially on mint, which has sane defaults and includes multimedia codecs as well as an easy option for installing proprietary software.
What made me switch to fedora was that, while mint is really stable and well-made, it’s also somewhat opinionated, particularly in its anti-Canonical stance. That’s justified to some extent, but if the goal is stability, they might as well base it entirely on Debian and stop maintaining two completely different builds. This opinionated approach affects users, as mint tends to stick to older software (like X11, the libadwaita regression, and older kernels before version 22 was released, etc)
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I just used the 22.04 based version. I only tried it back in like may.
whosdr@reddit
It's now based on 24.04, and uses a more recent kernel.
whosdr@reddit
I usually try to get a feel for what people like and are comfortable doing before making any recommendations.
But I use Mint myself. For web browsing, watching videos, tinkering, running VMs, software development, sysadmin, etc.
Running bleeding-edge AMD hardware on it took 4-5 commands in the terminal. Once I figured it all out, I turned it into a copy-paste to help others.
I've written Cinnamon applets/desklets, changed the bootloader, written a config generator for my new bootloader, use btrfs snapshots plenty, etc.
The same OS I installed in May 2020 after all this time and tinkering, and 3 major version upgrades, still runs flawlessly day-to-day.
I haven't been able to say the same of OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, or Fedora Silverblue. (Which is a shame, I like TW)
Jeff-J@reddit
I don't recommend it for new users because I heard that it looks like Windows. Note: I've never used it.
I don't want to encourage the thought that Linux is like Windows.
For my daughter (age 4 at the time), I set up Fedora with LXQt then switched her to KDE (she liked it better). If I was doing it again, I'd not use Fedora because Gentoo is easier for me to maintain.
I used TWM first with SLS. Then, I tried enlightenment, I don't remember if I had moved to RHL yet. This was back when organic alien looking UIs were in vogue. I used gnome 1 or 2 for a little while. I tried KDE and didn't like it. Then, I tried Fluxbox in 2001, about the same time as moving to Gentoo. I used this for a while, then tried FVWM2. I liked it, but realized I was continually resizing everything in tiles. I started using i3 and still do.
whosdr@reddit
I don't agree with either position around whether to pick something Windows-like for people migrating from Windows. Different people have different ideas.
What I can say is, for me, having a classical panel layout helped considerably in moving. And I still like my panels laid out the way I have done for the past 2+ decades.
It's also a great choice for family members who just use their PC for web browsing and basic file management. You install Mint, their browser, migrate settings...and they just use it the way they had before.
PolegarVermeio@reddit
Mint is by far the best Linux distribution for creating a system that suits everyone. None of the alternatives you've mentioned come close. KDE is much more complex than Cinnamon, and Pop!_OS (gnome) can feel like an alien to Windows users. A Mint user can live in Linux with ease without never use the terminal. That work done by the Mint developers is truly impressive, and they were pioneers in achieving this goal.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I think you're getting complex and complicated confused a little bit. plasma is more complex than cinnamon but it's not more complicated, it's very easy to use but there's a lot of more complex things you can choose to do, but that won't have to do. Also, you generally don't need terminal for most things on almost any distro anymore. The only thing I've ever actually needed to use the terminal for in my time using Linux was installing wine because no distro I have tried has had a consistent way to install it. I've occasionally chosen to use the terminal because for some stuff it was simpler.
PolegarVermeio@reddit
Mint install wine with 3 clicks
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Most distros make it pretty easy to install (sudo apt install), the issue is just that its got a different name everywhere. If you know the name, it only takes like two seconds of typing and press y and enter to fully install it.
PolegarVermeio@reddit
Which part you dont understand that new users can't open a terminal and type? This is exactly what they want avoid.
DriNeo@reddit
Mint is older, the time create confidence. On a more personal opinion, the name is better than "Pop OS", maybe it has some impact.
sangfoudre@reddit
Mint is a good compromise between stability, usability and features. The distro is well polished, well designed and it just works.
dobbelj@reddit
Because they’re idiots, and because they don’t give a fuck about open source, free software or copyright. They just want gratis stuff.
Significant-Pen982@reddit
Ubuntu is still very enterprise minded. If you want an Ubuntu that's more home user-friendly, Linux Mint comes to mind.
Still_Twist_48@reddit
honestly i don't think distros should be recommended, people should try multiple distros and see what distro makes them more comfortable and works well with their pc.
gravesum5@reddit
Pop OS is good but it gets tiring after a while. I prefer base Ubuntu to Pop OS to be fair. I love cinnamon, Ubuntu with cinnamon is the charm for me. Mint is cool but to be fair I don't see what's added to mint compared to Ubuntu, and by that I mean for me as a user. Everything I need is in Ubuntu so mint brings little to me except for the desktop. But then again I use Linux 100% of my time, both for personal and professional use.
offgridgecko@reddit
"insist on recommend Mint"?????? lol
I'm not in much for the drama but people recommend what they like. If people are being insistent, that's a personal issue they have and nothing to do with the OS.
SnooCheesecakes2821@reddit
Mint is ubuntu without conanical. I recommend rhel or arch based distriy.
Rusty9838@reddit
I recommending Mint to newbies, only because ubuntu/kubuntu/noobuntu sucks.
If they enjoy Linux experience then I recommend start distro hopping adventure to find something who fits their needs.
Every time when newbie starts using ubuntu/kubuntu/noobuntu I see problems with NVIDIA video cards and weird issues with games. Mint is far for perfection, but its way better.
PNW_Redneck@reddit
Its because its well made, well maintained, and easy to use and learn. For not being immutable, its one of like 2 Ubuntu based distros I can't break, the other being pop os. Or I have to really try and break it. The UI is pretty damn intuitive if you have 2 brain cells. While not my cup of tea, I do appreciate what the mint team does. It's easy to use and an easy way to transition from windows to Linux. It's not totally windows like, but it's close enough that someone could learn it pretty quick, and maybe eventually move on to more advanced distros, or stick with it. I'm sure theres a few people in here like that who daily it. Cause it works. Plus, with the recent 22 update, its got a more up to date kernel so its doing even better.
Har1equ1nBob@reddit
Because as a jumping off point, it has almost no rival. It is everything a windows refugee needs it to be...usanle immediately and understandable, but with enough that's uniquely Linux that the newbie can start learning.
And in the case of Linux veterans, it's just a really usable OS without fuss.
And the Cinnamon Desktop makes it beautiful and lovely to use.
Fingyfin@reddit
Dunno, I learnt a long time ago to ignore the popular vote and go with what works and what works is Ubuntu. though I use Kubuntu.
Economy_Yogurt5075@reddit
I got my new laptop a month and maybe two weeks ago, it was windows 11 pro which I very much liked, the ui was great, the functionality, the speed and everything. But the privacy was a big concern and also considering windows 11 is not an open source which means they can change their colours any time.Mainky it was privacy for me, so I looked at some distros and installed Linux mint and debian on my pen drive, my thoughts was to install debian but because I done a dumb mistake the installation failed and i restorted to Linux mint after one week of mint i could say that I like the simplicity and every thing about Linux mint except sometimes it did glitch. So I installed Linux vanilla Arch with KDE. Iam impressed at kde being open sourced with great graphics and ui. I really appreciate the kde community for their UI and Arch is really lightweight, and also with the kde I get really nice ui with smooth performance. I REALLY RECOMMEND IT
Drate_Otin@reddit
Bold of you to assume.
Not inherently true. Plasma has a lot of rather interesting options it presents. Cinnamon keeps it relatively tight and simple while including fairly standard-ish configuration options.
I've not used Tuxedo so I can't comment on it, but it sounds like a nice alternative. But community is an important thing and there's a lot more forum posts and documentation around for Mint than Tuxedo. If someone had a question they're much more likely to find the answer with Mint.
ComposerNate@reddit
Most Tuxedo questions are actually Plasma questions, plenty of forums for that. Or asking in r/tuxedocomputers/ gets from replies directly from Tuxedo if not already answered by users.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I'm not assuming someone is looking for windows-esque UI, I'm addressing that possibility for why they would have chosen mint.
TheOneTrueTrench@reddit
In terms of which desktop environment is "best", it's VERY much a matter of taste. Personally, out of the big ones, KDE is the least terrible, but I prefer using i3/Sway(FX).
But each of them makes sense. if someone told me that the only one they liked to use was Gnome, I could understand that. If someone preferred KDE Plasma, that makes sense. Same for Cinnamon, etc.
Myself, I've also run Cinnamon, Gnome 1 (yes, I'm old), 2, and 3, Hyprland, KDE Plasma 2,3,5, and 6, MATE, XFCE, CDE, LXDE, Budgie, IceWM, Fluxbox, and probably more I can't even remember. Each of them have been a good option at a different times, and I'll probably change away from SwayFX at some point, but the point is that they should all exist, so everyone can use their computer the way they prefer.
tukanoid@reddit
If you like sway, I think Hyprland is at a point where you could happily move to it and get more from. I personally moved to Niri (no native xwayland support and no floating windows yet), cuz i like living on the edge😅 Buuuuut, if you don't mind experimenting, it's very nice as well, and extremely stable, I haven't had a crash or poor performance from it ONCE since 0.1.1 (~8 months).
TheOneTrueTrench@reddit
I've used it before, and the hy3 plugin gets things close, but it just doesn't handle window management quite the way I prefer it.
Besides, while the animations and such are very pretty, they are inherently slowing down window movement.
It's one of those "what's right for me" sort of things. Being able to put a vertical split container inside a tab, the tabs of which are inside a stack container is nice, it lets me keep my windows organized just the way I want. Plus the headless outputs paired with wl-mirror allows me to partition my tertiary monitor into two separate "displays" with an LCARS status panel down the center, along with LCARS panels on the other monitors.
Plus the ability to assign specific mouse/keyboard pairs to separate seats and have each one interact with separate windows on the same monitor at the same time is also very cool.
I even did some xkb hacking to add an extra modifier on my keyboard, which is labeled Hyper (see the Space Cadet keyboard), alongside Control, Alt, Shift, and Super, so I have a dedicated modifier key that I am certain isn't used by any applications. Hyper+O, for instance, "picks up" my desk phone's speaker and opens a dialing window, Hyper+Super+J toggles the lights in my server room, and Hyper+Ctrl+H sets the lights in my office to 60%.
A great deal of my environment is reliant specifically on the functionality that Sway offers, or at least in the way that it does, so I don't think I really can switch right now.
Yeuph@reddit
I switched from Windows to Ubuntu about a year ago on my desktop. A few months ago I put Mint on my laptop because I kept seeing people recommending it.
My laptop has Ubuntu on it again. Mint just felt off for some reason. It was probably the UI I guess.
smile_e_face@reddit
Yeah I think Plasma massive amount of switches and knobs - which I love and couldn't really do without at this point - put a lot of people off at first. The defaults are pretty sane, but I've always felt KDE demanded a willingness to fiddle with shit to get the most out of it - something that a lot of users simply don't have.
kaputtschino@reddit
Pop (GNOME): + Easy to use - Windows-like experience (looks a bit more like MacOS)
KDE: - Easy to use (in fact even overwhelming imo) + Windows-like experience
Mint (Cinnamon): + Easy to use + Windows-like experience
Upstairs-Comb1631@reddit
GNOME, wtf for the hell why isnt this working? KDE... easy peasy all.
KDE, Cinnamon useful. GNOME crazy DE.
I want to work with Nautilus and two windows. Can't. God knows why one still loses focus.
I want this, I want that. Can't. We do not allow.
Caddy666@reddit
probably because its decent.
i don't understand why people say its a distro for beginners.
what it is is a distro for people who actually need to use a computer for working, and not fucking about with the os itself - which is about 99% of people.
walterbanana@reddit
Mint used to have some nice features over Ubuntu, but that was a long time ago. I would recommend people to use the latest Ubuntu LTS release.
soundwavepb@reddit
How did you become so opinionated after such a short period of time? You've been using Linux for a nanosecond and seem to have made up your mind.
Aginor404@reddit
I love Mint because it is simple to install, has a wide variety of software in its repos (debian + ubuntu), has very good compatibility with old hardware (15 year old Laptop? No problem), hood performance, and is reasonably easy to use for windows users. I use xfce though, not cinnamon. I am not a fan of the flashy new desktops.
dalekirkwood1@reddit
Reliability.
I used Ubuntu for years and then tried Pop Os for a while. None came even close to using Linux Mint with trgards to reliability.
Pop Os is nice but I don't recommend it to newcomers. It is quite buggy.
Cswizzy@reddit
Because it’s a cult, just like Reddit
DividedContinuity@reddit
Most of us making recommendations have been using linux for a decade plus. We don't necessarily keep up with all the small new distros that pop up and disappear.
We're trying to recommend well supported distros that have been around for a long time and have lots of resources available for a new user.
What's the "best" distro for your use case is a different question that many of us probably aren't even qualified to comment on, as we've been using the same distro for years and haven't looked much at alternatives recently.
Ultimately, if you're someone comfortable using a niche distro, then you don't need our advice anyway. The "just use mint" advice is for refugees from windows who don't know linux from their elbow and just want something that runs a browser.
ShasasTheRed@reddit
Cause it's not canonical
orangeboats@reddit
It has a similar workflow to Windows. And it is way less option-y than KDE (and I am saying as a KDE user myself), which is perfect for people new to Linux -- you only want to customize your experience after discovering what you dislike about the default settings, but KDE bombards you with customizability right out of the box, which beginners may feel is overwhelming.
OkNewspaper6271@reddit
Mint is stable and easy to use, which is more or less perfect for people new to Linux.
s0litar1us@reddit
I used to use Mint as my daily driver for a long time, it was great. It's a distro that just works.
Though I eventually moved away from it as I prefer tinkering and making it my own, which Mint may not be the best choice for.
zelphirkaltstahl@reddit
I have been using it for quite a while now. Originally also because of recommendations and supposedly better chances of getting games with Steam running. However, after some 4-5 years of usage, I am kind of fed up with it. Maybe my next distro will be a Debian with KDE.
Mouler@reddit
Mint prioritizes consistency and stability. All the benefits of Ubuntu without feeling the need to cram new ideology into every release. That makes Mint a great recommendation without having to know exactly what release might get downloaded to try.
It's not optimal, but I made Mint our standard install for kiosk machines because it is less hassle overall than any other option. It performs well and has clear documentation. No surprises and good enough to be hands off forever.
Open_Mortgage_4645@reddit
Mint is like Ubuntu, but it's faster, and it works really well for lower end hardware. Overall, it's a really nice distribution.
Frird2008@reddit
It's one of the most reliable distros I've used
Nemosaurus@reddit
It installed working graphics drivers automagically. I switched from AMD to Nvidia and it worked correctly after a quick update and click through installer.
This is huge. Graphics drivers used to suck really hard.
New-Description-2499@reddit
I am 69 and Linux mint gets a plus one from me. Even my wife loved it till she switched to a Chromebook. Mint just works.
dandee93@reddit
It's a solid distro, easy for beginners, and has a community with a reputation for not being toxic
Thecatstoppedateboli@reddit
I would rather advise Pop OS now, easier and works out of the box. Since the launch of the cosmic store they also solved that horrible pop shop issue that was the only negative.
yarisken75@reddit
I use linux mint for desktop and alma linux for server. Mint just works great, i started with it and never needed to look elsewhere. So is it the best i don't know.
SuAlfons@reddit
I‘ll keep Tuxedo OS in mind. PopOS! I already know.
I’m not a big fan of Cinnamon, nevertheless Mint is the new go-to recommendation for new Linux users.
crocodus@reddit
Mint is basically Ubuntu if Canonical wouldn’t make the most head scratching decisions to ever exist.
It’s decent and it’s relatively user friendly and cinnamon looks pretty close to Windows 7. That being said I always had quite bad luck recommending it to beginners, because Mint would break.
OpenSuse and Fedora Silverblue have been much better choices for beginners mostly because an update wouldn’t make their system unusable.
redikulaskedavra@reddit
Because it works out of the box, and mint dev community is more loyal to casual users.
thelastasslord@reddit
Been using mint for about 10 years, 7 years exclusively. Never had to reinstall, only ever installed fresh once when I got a whole new computer. Been upgrading the rest of the time. It's never broken. It works. Cinnamon is customisable as much as I need it to be. What am I missing?
Bleigiessen@reddit
Same experience for me. I have been using mint exclusively for 6 years and I didn't even install fresh when I got a new computer. I just restored the timeshift snapshot to the new disk, using a live usb session. The kernel recognised the new hardware and I was ready to go with minimal interruption.
ilep@reddit
It is usually "good enough" for most users (not a specialized like some other distributions), look and feel should feel familiar to most people transferring and things usually just work fine. Some other distributions may require more fiddling to get some things working or are overly technical or some other reason.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I guess that makes sense but I feel like it'd make more sense to send them to something that uses plasma since it's pretty simple and windows-like at by default but there's room to tinker if they feel like it. (Not trying to argue, just discuss)
TeutonJon78@reddit
Cinnamon is pretty Windows-like as well. It's basically a GTK3 version of GTK2 DE classed up instead of the gnome-shell direction.
Amenhiunamif@reddit
No, it's not, and I question when people who say this last used Windows. It's a Windows 7-like, but stock Plasma is much closer to 10 or 11 than Cinnamon.
derangedtranssexual@reddit
KDE is too complicated
YoriMirus@reddit
The main reason I like it is that the nvidia drivers there pretty much never break. On other distros, either nvidia is completely unusable or has some serious issues, but I experienced pretty much no bugs on linux mint.
Once they start supporting wayland completely, I hope that will still be true.
MocoNinja@reddit
In my opinion it has all the Ubuntu advantages minus most of the most controversial canonical stuff with a more familiar desktop environment for windows users and great defaults for the average user and good looking aesthetics with a decently cohesive experience out of the box.
So it is easy to recommend to someone who wants to try Linux without much hassle: easy to understand and get into with a decent user experience
WasdHent@reddit
I don’t know what issues you’ve had, but when it works it’s nice, simple, and easy to use. It’s well-documented and has a dedicated helpful community. You use popos in your example. Mint is primarily recommended as a beginner distro because from a design standpoint it is the most “considerate” of new users. For example, the software managers. Mint has a clear distinction between programs being flatpaks and system packages, as well as displaying a star rating so users can have a better idea of what they are getting. The pop shop doesn’t make this quite as clear, you can see permissions of flatpaks if you click on one, but it doesn’t tell you that is one before you click on it. Take vlc as an example, look for it in the pop shop and find the flatpak one. It will display 2 of the same program, and users are most likely just going to get the first one they see. The only difference between the two pages is that the flatpak one displays at the top that it has system file access. This isn’t very good if you need specifically a system package and don’t know the distinction. There is also no star ratings on the pop shop, and doesn’t come with the ubuntu system package repositories either. You’d have to add them yourself if pop and flatpak don’t have what you want. Mint at the very least gives you access to ubuntu repositories, so anything you can get on ubuntu you can get on mint. The same doesn’t apply to pop. It has most things you’d want. But if there’s anything specific not in pop’s repository or flatpak, it takes away the convenience. I was streaming my screen last week and was messing with popos on a vm. My arch friend watches a lot of anime through a cli program called ani-cli, so he suggested trying to install that on pop. I myself found it in mint’s software manager, install was easy because it’s in the ubuntu repository. But it isn’t in pop’s, so it doesn’t show in the pop shop. I try sudo apt install ani-cli. Can’t find it. So, I was required to get it from the github and needed 2 dependencies. Fzf and mpv. Ani-cli requires the system package version, so I had to find the correct one. I’m immediately met with an error. It tells me to do a command, I do it, it works. It’s installed. I try searching for fzf in the pop shop and couldn’t find it. But it was installable through apt at least. And then I could finally get the program to work. It’s niche, but I figure I should at least provide an example of what I mean. It’s not likely this would happen to a beginner, but there is a chance, damaging pop’s beginner friendliness. I could not imagine a total newbie having any idea what to do in my shoes. Especially if they suck at using windows. Encountering a problem like this is alien to a new user. So, it’s typically better to recommend a distro to them that doesn’t have them, or keeps them to a minimum. A good metric for how beginner friendly a distro is would be “how often have you had to use the terminal to do something.” On mint, I have never “had” to use the terminal. I do use it, but there’s nothing that requires me to do so. So I’d rate mint’s beginner friendliness highly. It has major downsides like slower kernel and gpu driver updates, thus being less compatible with newer hardware. Which is what popos, fedora, and arch excel at. Not as friendly, but more compatible with more things. Even so, mint is still compatible with MOST hardware, still making it an easy pick.
Evol_Etah@reddit
It's similar to windows OOBE
All Ubuntu guides online work on Mint. and new users will try the Linux Guide (made for Ubuntu) unintentionally on their Mint machine. (And it'll work, cause Mint is Ubuntu based) And they'll feel, oh I get it. It works. I see. And feel more accomplished.
Mint has a very easy learning curve.
You must understand. Most people who use Linux or got into Linux on their own, were capable of "figuring" things out all by themselves. For them. Mint would be a 1day thing before they distro hop 10 Distros a day. And they can do it already.
Very few are like that. It just so happens, that "those few of us" are all on this subreddit.
Do you see questions about "How to install my First Linux ever????" On Arch forums or a chatroom? Heck even I don't post there, cause I ain't that level yet.
N_Rohan@reddit
Cuz it feels like Home.
mnlx@reddit
Idk. I like Ubuntu LTS with GNOME, snaps, pro ESM and everything because they give you 10 years of support for free, it works, I'm lazy and I have plenty of other stuff to worry about. I tweak the desktop a little, enable a couple of things and forget about it.
I would have no problems with straight up Debian either. It's been a really long time I don't touch RPMs. (If truth be told I use Ubuntu but I miss Slackware.)
Whatever801@reddit
I think generally speaking (at least historically speaking) it works out of the box better than most others. In my case everything else I tried I got random kernel crashes and various headaches. When I switched to mint everything pretty much worked. It's tried and tested on a large variety of hardware and most people aren't distro hopping. We just want something that gets out of the way and lets us work. I'm not opposed to the idea that something else would be just as seamless. It's also not gonna work perfect on all hardware. It's just like, that's what works for me and I have no reason to change so if someone asks what do you recommend I can also say what works for me
lazystingray@reddit
Exactly this. Been using Linux since Red Hat 6 (not RHEL, original Red Hat). I use Mint with MATE as my daily driver because it just works and gets out of the way.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
It definitely does work better than most, I usually recommend pop! Os or tuxedo os and mention that mint is a common recommendation too even though I don't like it.
Dinux-g-59@reddit
Well, I am using Mint since 2013, at first with Gnome and now with Cinnamon. The short answer is that I don't like KDE. I tried it several times, since the times of Mandrake Linux, the so-called Red Hat with KDE. And I still don't like it. I do like Gnome, I also like the Ubuntu implementation of Gnome and I really love Cinnamon. Fortunately in free software we are free to choose whatever software we like. I never had issues with Mint, it run smoothly on every pc and notebook I installed it.
terremoth@reddit
Easier to use, very friendly, and doesn't have telemetry like Ubuntu but descends from the same base and has a lot of flavors to choose. It is very rock solid and stable.
I wouldn't recommend it in only 1 occasion: if your hardware is very old/outdated, so I would recommend Lubuntu which is lighter and performs better than Mint.
Major_Equivalent4478@reddit
i think it's more hit and miss with the hardware you have vs what's supported with the distro. my old laptop from 2013 and others i've worked on that time works with whatever linux mint iso i've put into the usb drive. this 2015ish laptop i'm using now didn't. i guess that's what basically drives whether new users like it or not. i didn't have enough time to find out why it didn't work so i downloaded debian and went on my merry way. :)
Nice-Object-5599@reddit
Because someone else did it.
bootyredistribution@reddit
Im gonna guess that maybe your using newer hardware. Linux Mint tests everything to hell, and makes sure it works, but that also comes with a bit of a lag behind in hardware support for newer stuff. If youve got very new hardware, or even just last year or so hardware a lot of the times mint just hasnt gotten there yet. Most people in general tho arent buying the expensive bleeding edge hardware, and a lot even use VERY old hardware and Linux Mint works fantastically on those things. Mint has made strides in providing new hardware support faster with 22, but still its not their goal to be on top of every brand new release. There is no one size fits all distro, but Linux Mint probably fits the *most* people so it gets recommended as a safe bet.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
My laptop is four years old, idk how new you consider that to be but for me I am starting to look at a replacement. I also tried it on my first computer from when Windows 7 was still relatively new.
LousyMeatStew@reddit
I think what you're missing is that people recommend what they are familiar with. If lots of people use Linux Mint, then lots of people will recommend Linux Mint. That doesn't mean it's necessarily the best choice, but it's a choice that's been good enough - certainly, it's done the job for the people who have used it.
Also, note that when talking about the desktop environment, what you're really talking about is the default desktop environment. One could turn the question around and ask "why recommend Tuxedo OS when I can just install KDE on Linux Mint"?
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
But it's also in the context of recommending stuff to new users, who won't change their DE.
LousyMeatStew@reddit
I don't know if I agree with that sentiment (after all new, users don't stay new forever) but even if it were true, it still doesn't change the fact that people who recommend Linux Mint are doing so because Linux Mint has worked for them.
hy2cone@reddit
Mint is less bloated and has LMDE, and completely independent to Ubuntu
ozansh@reddit
First of all, I'm not much of gourmet on distros, but I tried many of them. PopOS , Nobara Linux and PopOS are best for beginner users even advanced ones. Sometimes you just want it work.
For your question, I kinda don't recommend PopOs for a time because it's UI got old. In my case, I couldn't install extesions for a while. But if you don't care about extensions, PopOs can be your go to distro. Also they released complete new release with their own desktop environment. You can check that out but I wouldn't recommend on installing it bare metal.
Linux Mint is has most of things I said about PopOS but it is updated regularly and some little cases i found it slightly more stable. Also It is more like windows in standart so you won't find yourself too alienated in the beginning.
Nobara is cool to, I don't have much time to talk about it but I found out it's one of the best.
Now I am using Linux Mint until Cosmic gets its beta phase (new popos, now in Alpha 1 Release) . Also i need to mention I use shitty gaming pc with clevo mainboard, nvida gpu. Not so compatible for Linux. But I don't have problems with these guys.
interference90@reddit
It's like Ubuntu but without snaps.
It has an intuitive and complete, yet conservative, desktop environment.
KDE Plasma is good for enthusiasts power users, but for a layman / newbie I'd rather go with something less powerful and less buggy at the same time.
When people started using Mint I think pop!OS and Tuxedo OS weren't even around, so the track record is somewhat longer and more established.
Small-Movie3137@reddit
Tradition.
There's no reason today to recommend a Windows 7 inspired (two iterations old Windows), Gnome 3 (previous edition) forked and slowly developed desktop environment, 95% Ubuntu or Debian binaries based distro. Either Ubuntu or Debian, and many in their derivatives are as good as LM for new comers.
LM was born as a reaction to Gnome 3, buggy in its first releases e completely different from Gnome 2 and to Unity, also minimal and buggy. Furthermore it was installing codecs out of the box, which Ubuntu didn't for avoiding lawsuit risks to Canonical.
Then Canonical started to use the snap technology: LM had another reaction target.
The last reaction target was libadwaita from Gnome and the theming/decoration related topic.
EdgiiLord@reddit
Cinnamon is pretty neat (what it needs is a Wayland session), but what's better is the automatic software management. Almost 0 terminal usage for a beginner.
rileyrgham@reddit
You don't sound very new. People don't generally recommend Mint because it has a Windows UI. So that's that strawman dismantled. Your ability "not to see" is worrying : its very obvious some people like different things - and those things might not be aligned with your line of thinking. As for tuxedo : that's a very individual opinion.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
It's not a strawman, it's something that I see people mention specifically every time I see a post recommending it to a new user. Notice that I specify new user, not to other people who are already part of the Linux community. I know people may like different things but this discussion is about what should be recommended to new users, specifically why mint often is and whether it should be. I say tuxedo is better because it achieves all the same noob-friendly things with what I believe is a better DE, both for noobs and in general. Also, I'm not sure what you mean when you say I don't sound new, but I've only been using Linux primarily since early August and was only experimenting on an old secondary computer since may.
rileyrgham@reddit
It's not something you see every time. I have hardly ever seen it. I don't doubt SOME do. But no, not something that's every time. It's pretty much the definition of strawman here. You are asserting something obviously false/skewed to further your politics and narrative in your OP. Why you want to that is your business, but its blatant.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
1) you may not see it every time, but i have seen it mentioned every time I see someone recommending it to a new user. Maybe I don't see all that many or maybe I'm not very observant, but it's not a strawman 2) this is a discussion, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. We are talking about the topic I put forth in the original post. There are no politics going on here so feel free to calm down whenever you're ready.
rileyrgham@reddit
I'm fine. But you don't see it every time as it's simply not true. And you are trying to convince people of things : which is fine... Without obvious strawmen and assertions with no corresponding evidence. Anyway, I'm done. Enjoy.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
How do you know what I see? And I'm not trying to convince people, I'm providing counterpoints to what they say, which they then provide their own counterpoints for. That is how conversations work. I will continue to make points based on what I see the state of things is, and should I at some point see something that contradicts that then what I say will be a little different next time but I can't speak to something being a way I haven't seen it being.
lasercat_pow@reddit
I suspect there are historic reasons -- mint has always put the user experience at the forefront of their distro design. For example, they were one of the first distros to include things like binary broadcom drivers with their default install, so that people could get their wifi up and running without much fuss. They also pioneered using cinnamon as the default DE back when GNOME started ignoring user input and making controversial decisions about their DE. Lastly, mint is built on debian, which is an old and stable distro with wide support.
SirGlass@reddit
Mint is compatible with ubuntu what gives it a large base, like almost any program that is released on linux will have an ubuntu release .
I am talking like commercial software , things like edge web browser or even like MS SQL or mozilla VPN release ubuntu deb packages
I run opensuse so this has been a minor annoyance for me when I see the official release for something only supports like RHEL and Ubuntu .
Second Mint is based on the LTS version of ubuntu what makes its pretty stable and gives it a 5 year life meaning you don't have to upgrade much if you do not want to
Third the cinnimon or mate desktop is pretty "windows like" so the UI is already somewhat familiar
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Pop! Os and tuxedo os are both based on Ubuntu LTS too (same version even) and kde plasma (used by tuxedo) is as windows-like if not more, which is more or less my point. In hindsight probably could've put a tldr.
SirGlass@reddit
I guess I really don't know, I have used linux for years and mint has been around for years too. I ran mint for years like 10+ years ago as well
I only recently heard about POP! (but never used it) and honestly never heard of Tuxedo . It may be Mint just by being around longer has more mind share.
I mean I use OpenSuse and sort of wonder why it does not get much love despite having several very solid offerings
Leap is their standard release that goes through your typical release cycles like Ubuntu
Then they have TWO rolling distros
Tumbleweed slow roll - rolling but updates are pushed out a bit slower to give a bit more testing/stability
Tumbleweed standard - Standard rolling distro
94746382926@reddit
I'm a Tumbleweed user who also wonders the same. It's an extremely well rounded distro IMO and like you said OpenSUSE has Leap and multiple rolling distros.
When I was first trying to decide if I liked Gnome or KDE better it was cool how seamless it was to install and switch between both on a whim.
Idk if the name makes people think it wouldn't be good for beginners or something but I actually found it easier than some of the other ones people typically recommend.
crackez@reddit
Windows 11 feels more like a rip off of KDE than the other way around.
OwningLiberals@reddit
Linux Mint I would say is designed for new users. There's so many things which are 1 click on mint.
And while I admit the style isn't very appealing to me, many prefer the simpler retro look over a more Windows 10/11 feel
Ok-Anywhere-9416@reddit
I have the same thought. Linux Mint looks so like Windows, it is so bland, its tools are so poor, that I really cannot appreciate it enough on my computer. I do appreciate it for what it means for users in the world instead. I heard that the community welcomes new people and the documentation is good.
Some are scared by Plasma, which is weird: just because you can choose to customize a lot, it doesn't mean that you *must* do it. And Plasma 6 makes much more sense than 5 anyway.
In 2008 I switched from Windows to Ubuntu because Gnome 2 felt like something really different with cool applications and very nice performance, but I don't feel the same when looking at Mint. Beside this, it's so irrelevant for the future. I think it even ignored Wayland for some time.
Anyways, pop!OS does a great job at offering an alternative solution for newcomers and not.
ben2talk@reddit
Well you know, people ask this same question every single day and they still don't know - so anyone who went through (or is still in) a Linux Mint period will recommend it because it is basically foolproof for normal users.
KDE Plasma is NOT better for new users... it's most stable when it is least customised, and people break it all the time.
The main issues that led me away from Linux Mint in the end were:
I found Cinnamon too restricted and difficult to mould to my use case.. but for people who don't need extensive customisation and appreciate a vanilla desktop which is totally reliable and functional there's nothing better.
I got really bored with the fixed cycle/stable environment (meaning OLD repositories) and fancied something fresher, rolling - smaller updates and more flexible.
Any new user will find Linux Mint a great start, and once they learned more they will either be totally happy and carry on running it until they die or they will find issues which are best solved with another distribution.
Vivid-Climate-2641@reddit
Cant you just use the edge version or enable auto updates on it for updates?
ben2talk@reddit
Perhaps you have no idea what you are talking about...
I gather that 'the edge version' means the regular version of Linux Mint, but with a newer kernel - but the same old repositories...
I already stated that I left Linux Mint behind some years ago - I forget now if it's 7 or 8 years.
no_brains101@reddit
Mint is one of the major distros that is known to "just work" and does a lot of things to make windows users feel comfortable. It even has an exe installer, and sets up wine for you with default configuration for exes
Ubuntu did snaps and has been trying to do semi shady operations with data for a while and since mint is like "the one for windows users" its the obvious one to recommend.
For mac users I would say ubuntu or like popos or something
For windows users I will say mint every time
I may also mention fedora to both.
I use nixos though. I dont recommend that to them because its like, hard and weird and different, but its really cool and I like it.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
It'd be cool if more distros had their "for everyone" version come with wine pre-setup. It'd alleviate the issue of the proper wine package being different on every distro and having to go hunt down the right name in some forum or reddit post.
no_brains101@reddit
I didnt downvote you, someone else did, but I also am not sure every distro needs to do this. Mint goes a LONG way towards windowsifying it, giving guis for so many things. Other distros dont go as far to cater to the ex windows user who wants linux to work like windows. Some of them might have a different target audience. I think this is probably ok.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I say that out of a general desire for more compatibility, realistically you're probably right that a lot of them don't need to go that far.
Tiny_Concert_7655@reddit
The cohesion in mint is on another level due to the distro and desktop environment all being made by the same people.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
What do you mean by cohesion exactly? It's just Ubuntu LTS 22.04 based like pop and tuxedo.
Tiny_Concert_7655@reddit
In the same way that macOS feels cohesive due to everything being made by the same team, I feel like mint is the most consistently good looking distro I’ve tried.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
The way it feels is just the DE, and the mint team didn't make everything. They made the DE and they modified Ubuntu LTS for their own purposes. This is the exact same level of 'cohesion' as just about any other lts-based distro, which includes pop and tuxedo.
Tiny_Concert_7655@reddit
It might as well be the DE, but after all it is the mint default and only exists because of mint. It’s the same way Ubuntu is know for using gnome, except gnome isn’t a Ubuntu made DE.
Most of the cohesion also comes from the mint made software like the software manager, driver manager, update manager etc. While the terminal is nice to have and it’s what I mostly use, it not being necessary makes everything feel cleaner.
(Btw all of this is coming from someone that hasn’t tried either pop os or tuxedo, but have used their default DEs)
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
You do know that literally every desktop environment has their own in-house suite of apps with a consistent theme, right?
Tiny_Concert_7655@reddit
As I said, I have used kde, and I’m not saying it’s bad or anything, just have a personal preference towards cinnamon and the way it looks and feels, and I just found the theme of it overall more consistent.
Anyway when it comes down to it mint is the type of distro that’s easy to adapt to coming straight from windows, which is why mint is often “the beginner distro”, and is highly recommended.
Also last time I checked the cinnamon de does not come with either a software, driver, or update manager, that’s distro based, but I could be wrong.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I was just making sure because it is possible to have just not thought about it. It doesn't technically "come with" the apps, but generally they are installed with it because they are the ones meant for it. Most DEs do that but if you are installing it manually you might have to manually install the DEs app as well.
Tiny_Concert_7655@reddit
Idk, just that I’ve been distro hopping for a bit but always come back to mint due to it being moderately lightweight and just working for the most part.
I dont mind other distros, but I will always see mint as the most beginner friendly
TONKAHANAH@reddit
cuz its a pretty decent out of box exprience and its easy
trmdi@reddit
Because it is an outdated knowledge. Nowadays there are much better distros e.g. openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE...
Feeling_Photograph_5@reddit
I like it because it does everything I need and it's rock solid. I've had less issues with Mint than any other distro.
So, that's why I recommend it. I'm not religious about it, though. I also have a system running Kubuntu.
Anchovy23@reddit
I use the fringe Budgie. I recommend Solus Budgie. I booted into Mint to rescue a disk, what I had on the USB. It was OK. Budgie is the mod con.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
How is budgie? I've only tried it briefly but I had tried kde right before it so I didn't try it for long
Anchovy23@reddit
It's just a super modern look minimalist take. I'm quite smitten with it. You have to know a bit of modfiles, but not too much.
biomint@reddit
I have tried different linux distributions when starting in data science and mint with cinnamon was the one I could rely on to control everything I needed to control, pretty recent hardware compatibility, not being bothered like ubuntu does these days, very stable, fluid visual experience,.... It works out of the box. I really have the feeling that I can do whatever I need to do with it. It is the distribution that got me to stop dualboot linux/win. No regrets. It is the goto system now for any new team member even when they are not linux litterate they adapt quickly without complains. Excellent distri. Excellent job.
drew8311@reddit
I actually don't recommend mint specifically because the top 2 desktop environments are not even an option on it. Unfortunately for KDE Kubuntu is one of the better options and maybe Fedora, neither of which are even the base version of those distros.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Tuxedo os (the kde one I mentioned and use) might be what you're looking for in that regard. It's basically the kde equivalent to mint/pop.
salacious_sonogram@reddit
It's what Ubuntu used to be. The suggestion would be Ubuntu but over the past few years they keep making choices that are quite different from the rest of the community. Like Mir over Wayland, and snaps over flatpaks. It's not just to spite the community, it's for their server side interests. It's not a big big deal but it can be confusing to someone brand new and is just another thing to learn if and only if you use Ubuntu. So something like mint gets recommended instead.
wogvorph@reddit
I just slap i3 on it and everything works. I was distro hopping for some time but there was always some issues even if minor. Mint is just the working fine.
changed_later__@reddit
I just use Debian stable. There's too many derivatives to keep track of these days.
Saltillokid11@reddit
I’ve been using Mint for almost a year now, before mint I found myself distro hopping ever other month. Ubuntu, Arch, Manjaro, Pop, elementary, etc. there was always something that didn’t quite work or something I didn’t like. I figured Mint was going to be the same, but I find myself not having any issues, crashes, conflicts, or wonky UX. My only issue is the camera doesn’t work, but since I don’t zoom on my personal laptop, doesn’t bother me.
Few-Pomegranate-4750@reddit
i just cant get away from aur
gentoo interests me
deb is ok but theres always an aur package i cant find
i guess BSD cannot be beat
i think i tried mint once and it was ok
im running win10/endeavour/cachy(sddms broke tho using gdm atm)
OffsetXV@reddit
Works well, braindead easy setup, simple to use with both terminal and GUI, Cinnamon isn't revolutionary but feels nice, good information available because Ubuntu, driver manager is nice for Nvidia users, not a ton of bloat with the included software compared to some other "beginner friendly" distros, etc.
I do wish it came with with Plasma as an option but honestly it's just a solid distro with no BS and it doesn't have the problems modern Ubuntu does
Thelastfirecircle@reddit
It looks a bit ugly but I know it’s s good OS
Dr_Pie_-_-@reddit
I actually think it’s just that they haven’t tried Pop_OS! I tried out both when I was new to Linux about two years and mint was way more annoying. Pop just worked and continues to do so.
gnomeoffice@reddit
It just works on an apple or Windows machine without any issues
Diuranos@reddit
I hate kde settings. a lot of settings are in wrong group or category and there is shits of tons settings that I don't need it. for me Linux mint is more windows like windows 7-10 simple to use, on my hardware everything just works.
DadLoCo@reddit
Yep I was never a fan of mint.
thethumble@reddit
Just feels very comfortable and familiar
lucasws1@reddit
Because it's "Ubuntu done right", and Ubuntu is where most people start. I used it for a long time and had a very good time using it also. It has a captivating "environment", I liked cinnamon so much that I used it as my DE for a long time even after leaving mint. Probably mint was the responsible for me staying at Linux for good and never going back to windows. The transition was pretty easy. Nowadays I wouldn't use debian based distros at all, but I kinda miss that time, honestly it proportioned me a lot of fun, testing and discovering new things every day... Good times (I'm such a nerd lol)
ZealousidealFudge851@reddit
It's good
ibor132@reddit
I can only answer for myself, but there's a couple key reasons why I stick with Mint on the desktop:
For the most part, it just works. I did my time compiling driver kernel modules from scratch and hand-editing config files to get all my hardware going - I'm not interested in anything more complicated than installing a package or two if I can possibly avoid it.
It gives some nod to supporting Secure Boot. Not having my boot chain signed (even if only by a certificate I generated and told the UEFI on my machine to trust) is an unwarranted risk, IMO. This is pretty much the only reason I haven't played around with Pop!_OS very much - I haven't been motivated to jump through the hoops to get it working. I'm not as familiar with TUXEDO OS but it seems like at a glance the process to get secure boot working with MOK may be a little less painful so perhaps I'll explore that at some point.
I primarily work with Debian (and to a lesser extent Ubuntu) when I run into Linux in my professional life, so I'm highly motivated to stick with a Debian or Ubuntu derived distro on the desktop side so I don't have to learn the ins and outs of more than one package manager. I fully acknowledge this is lazy. :-)
If I'm suggesting it to somebody else, there's a pretty good chance it will work on their hardware out of the box. It's probably worth noting that if I'm suggesting a distro to somebody who doesn't already have an opinion about it, there's a good bet they aren't all that Linux savvy.
I work in IT and spend a lot of my time solving other people's technology problems professionally. I still like to tinker on my own to some degree, but I generally try to make choices for my own home machines that ensure to the greatest degree possible that any problem solving happens on my terms.
Finally, momentum is a real factor. Mint has been my go-to desktop distro for a number of years, and I haven't had a reason to change that, nor have I run into any of the situations such as extremely new hardware that make it less suitable.
vaughannt@reddit
Mint is goat
Separate_Paper_1412@reddit
Because Ubuntu is no longer made for the desktop. Now it's made for servers and workstations in companies, yuck
fellipec@reddit
Because it is good and do the job.
grimwald@reddit
Because my aging Mom could use Mint and not find it confusing. It is an excellent starting point for anyone that doesn't want to use Microsoft, but was it be similar to what they're used to.
Mysterious_Ad_2326@reddit
It just works. No headaches. Simple. Good documentation and nice community. Friendly and clean interfaces for beginners. That's what I see about Mint and LMDE. I'm with it since 2018.
Scary-Beyond@reddit
It isn’t just a new person distro, but it is good for new people due to its streamlined nature and its focus on stability and consistency. I use other distros like arch and pop os for different machines but mint just stays out of my way and lets me use my computer as a tool to do other things.
derangedtranssexual@reddit
There’s not a lot of good options, a lot of distros don’t include proprietary software despite plenty of people requiring it making it quite a hassle, arch is too bleeding edge and doesn’t have an installer, Ubuntu is Ubuntu, Gnome isn’t windowsey enough, KDE is too complicated
mister_drgn@reddit
Mint is Ubuntu without Ubuntu. So is PopOS, but it’s at kind of awkward spot right now as it’s about to transition to a new DE.
Mint also has some nice Mint-specific tools for things like kernel updates. And Cinnamon is beginner-friendly and less-inclined to throw a million customization options at you than KDE. Still pretty customizable though. I really like it, but if you don’t like it, you’re free to have your own opinion.
CleoMenemezis@reddit
Personally, I always thought it was because it was similar to Windows 7.
I used to recommend Mint in the recent past for the same reason, but now I feel that it uses some technologies that are not very modern and I no longer feel comfortable recommending it. Today, I personally do not recommend anything other than established distros that use GNOME or Plasma.
Terriblarious@reddit
I never had much luck with any flavour of mint myself. There was always something that was "off". Not a linux guru by any stretch, so chalk it up to user error.
It doesn't stop me from telling people about it tho. It seems to work great for a lot of people so i dont' wanna taint the product with my own experience.
I always recommend Pop OS. been running it for about 3 years now i think. No desire to distro hop, it just works for me.
dicksonleroy@reddit
It just works, has a good OOTB experience and well, it doesn’t suck. The green is color scheme is pretty pleasing as well.
Mark_B97@reddit
cause ubuntu snapped
AmbiguosArguer@reddit
Now btw at the end!!
AwesomeSchizophrenic@reddit
He uses Arch btw.
AmbiguosArguer@reddit
I needed to give an old PC to my elderly parents who will only use browser and maybe watch movies. Linux Mint turned out to have the best balance of easy UI but highly customizable if needed. That's all.
I am seeing more and more people recommend Mint recently. Maybe it's just confirmation bias
A6stringthing@reddit
I've recommended and got my friends to use Mint because it has what I would consider "sane defaults". Snap packages are disabled, and Flatpaks are enabled by default and of course, Gdebi package installer is also included to install .deb files akin to running an exe on Windows.
I had to think about how they would normally use their Windows machines to do XYZ and Mint just so happened fit that criteria, and now they loathe booting into Windows.
I haven't tried Tuxedo OS, so it's possible that there are things it does better than Cinnamon.
Lower-Apricot791@reddit
Never used mint. However, cinnamon is an easy de to transfer from windows. Also, they recently (or so?) have a debian edition LMDE....so you have comfort, just works and no snap default...I think.
I actually like cinnamon de...as soon as they finalize Wayland...I intend to go back
Veer-Verma@reddit
Try it yourself you will know 😉
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I did, I didn't like it.
Veer-Verma@reddit
I would say use what you like to use no matter what distro you are using till you are comfortable with it
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Yeah, it'd honestly probably be better to recommend people DEs instead of distros.
Veer-Verma@reddit
Maybe you are one of them (Exception cases)
Bl4ckb100d@reddit
I used Ubuntu for many years. One time I decided to try Mint, and I noticed my laptop's battery life lasting longer and the temperature control getting better, so I've been using it ever since on my personal and work computers. Also no snaps.
funbike@reddit
I don't recommend what people use. I happen to love Linux as my daily driver, and I tell people that because it's a fact. I don't really care what you or anyone else uses. If you don't like some of the Linux desktop environments, fine. Go use Windows. I'll happily continue using Linux, regardless of your decision.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
What does that have to do with the post?
No-Pin5257@reddit
Stable, Easy and look like MS-Windows.
gsstratton@reddit
It's easy mode. I haven't tried it in like 10 years but I found Cinnamon limiting. Arch KDE, and now Fedora KDE is my jam. I don't think it's that hard to use but I've also been around Linux 20+ years.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
I've been here for like a couple months and I haven't found it super hard to use, or at least no harder than windows. I also used kde fedora for a bit but steam always gave me issues there so I switched to tuxedo os
gsstratton@reddit
Yeah steam can be a pain. I like flatpaks for apps, steam included. It works well for me but whatever works well for you is great.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Unrelated but for some reason reddit is automatically collapsing your posts when I click on them from my notifications. Like not anyone else in this post, just you.
gsstratton@reddit
Maybe Reddit hates me lol
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Idk but it did it to that one too
chabalatabala@reddit
I've honestly never got the appeal of Cinnamon. Feels boring and old to me personally with slow UX paradigms... and I started on windows 95.
DogThatGoesBook@reddit
Cinnamon is an underrated desktop (been using it since Gnome jumped the shark with gnome 3) and you reach a point where you use your desktop to be productive and having a simple reliable consistent environment is your priority. In saying that I prefer just running Ubuntu and installing Cinnamon on it directly
darth_chewbacca@reddit
I think Pop is the best distribution for new users (and hell, it's great for old users too), but like you said, Cinnamon is more familiar to ex-Windows users than Gnome/Cosmic, and Mint is a great distro.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Yeah pop is pretty good, the gnome-ness of it is the only reason I didn't use it when first started
CecilXIII@reddit
Because that's what they use when starting out and it worked for them, probably.
OatmealCoffeeMix@reddit
Boring, safe, dependable, reliable. I like that in my work machine and people who just want to get things done probably appreciate it the same way I do.
agfitzp@reddit
Mint users are rabid.
I mean they're not wrong, Mint is pretty good.
But my god they're rabid.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Tbf every distro/DE/etc has some people like that
agfitzp@reddit
True... but Mint gets recommended WAY out of proportion for their user base.
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
Yeah I think it's mostly people who haven't really used it but will seize any opportunity to convince a potential new user to finally give Linux a try.
PersonWhoTalks@reddit
I have had too many random tiny inconveniences with kde
sacheie@reddit
Because they like it
drazil100@reddit
Mint has historically done a really good job looking out for it's users. Between stuff like making it simple to install drivers, to having an excellent default applications, to having a great graphic update management tool, to their suggestions to use Timeshift as part of the welcome screen process.
I think it's a great starting distro with a great track record. I personally don't use it anymore but I still always recommend it as a top choice for new Linux users.
Upbeat-Serve-6096@reddit
What's your choice? Pop?
unknown1234_5@reddit (OP)
That or tuxedo os, which is basically the same idea but with kde plasma.
JerryRiceOfOhio2@reddit
i recommend it because i use it for home and work for many years, it works well. other distros work well, but i know this one works, and cinnamon is nice imo
8--------D-@reddit
dunno
1smoothcriminal@reddit
It's visually similar to what people are used to and holds their hand when it comes to doing simple tasks but yet is still highly customizable. Mint is great for someone that wants a window's like environment out the gate.
KamiIsHate0@reddit
It's the easiest one to start with that won't give you bad pratices. Base Ubunto is in a horrible state rn with a lot of drama around it. But i always advice to use mint until confortable and then explore to find the distro you love.
zenz1p@reddit
I think it's just a meme that hasn't really left the community, and there's really no reason to challenge its status because it's still good enough. Otherwise I agree with you; there are other good options too
elatllat@reddit
I like Debian, Fedora, EndeavourOS, why recommend anything downstream? Because people like different things.