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Posted by busymom0@reddit | RedditAlternatives | View on Reddit | 23 comments
paris_kalavros@reddit
What annoys me is that every time a mastodon server dies, all the posts and comments die with it.
ActivityPub needs nomadic accounts like Bluesky, or this will become a serious problem in the future as more servers will inevitably shut down.
habarnam@reddit
Do you feel as strongly about random blogs just disappearing?
Tebwolf359@reddit
I do somewhat.
One one hand, I fully support people being able to control their own posts, etc.
I also think that it’s reasonable that people take down stuff from years ago they don’t agree with anymore.
But part of me really hates hot it can turn the internet into dead links, and that there should be an archive where nothing is ever really deleted, just hidden for 30-100years.
Digital archeology
paris_kalavros@reddit
Indeed I am. Every six months I have to clear up my bookmarks, it’s annoying.
The difference is that a blog writer has every right to delete its content, while mastodon users do not have the option to keep posts and comments if they wish so. They own their social graph, but not their content.
TheConquistaa@reddit
The thing is that every post and every comment belongs to their original owner on ActivityPub. They decide if they delete these, and the servers usually respect that decision.
One protocol that does things different is the Diaspora protocol, where all the comments in a post belong to the original poster. Sort of like all the comments here would belong to /u/busymom0.
paris_kalavros@reddit
I’m not talking about users deleting content. I’m talking about servers owners shutting down and talking users down with them.
TheConquistaa@reddit
I know. But if server owners shut down the servers then it might be a similar situation I think. Although I had posts from servers that were down as well, like kbin.social (and still have some).
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
Your server doesn't keep checking if the original server is still there. It keeps the post until the original server says it's been deleted, or old posts may get deleted to save storage.
TheConquistaa@reddit
Right, I knew I must have missed something. Thank you!
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
A blog platform can shut down and delete your blog.
sexyama@reddit
Those new platforms seem to be too complicated and riddled with issues. I think usenet is still superior in every way.
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
Any sufficiently complicated distributed social network contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of Usenet.
busymom0@reddit (OP)
Maybe I am unaware but aren't the posts and comments of that server also available on other instances? I thought that was the point?
stay_fr0sty@reddit
I thought the idea was a bunch of computers appearing as a single computer. The content of each computer dies with that computer.
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
There's no "bunch of computers appearing as a single computer". Apps like Bluesky are trying that. Fediverse is not. Fediverse is federated universe - federated means you are on a server that interacts with other servers. It's basically email. I can send a message from me@myserver to you@yourserver and it just works. If myserver shuts down you still get to keep the email you received, until your IT admin deletes it to save space.
Beliriel@reddit
That happened with Lemmy when somebody posted CP and it federated across many servers. Was a huge stink. Right after reddits API shittery.
stay_fr0sty@reddit
CSAM is more accurate than CP.
Fuck off calling it CP (no offense to you at all), it's just better referred to as child sexual abuse material.
Efficient_Star_1336@reddit
There is no way that posts and images aren't cached across instances.
Ajreil@reddit
Caches are temporary. Unless they are also designed to archive posts, the cached files will be deleted after a certain amount of time or when it notices the originals are gone.
FuckIPLaw@reddit
Also, you should be bobcats by the sand laws that protect sites like reddit from being prosecuted for the things their users do. Remove it once you're made aware of it and you're golden. You soft have to actively seek it out.
BlazeAlt@reddit
They are, at least on Lemmy.
Lemmy.film shut down a while ago, you can still browse https://lemm.ee/c/moviesnob@lemmy.film
TheConquistaa@reddit
Some are, some are not. The thing is that you might be able to search through your old feed for them, and if you followed some accounts you might be able to find their posts. Also, if others interacted with some posts, they can still be there, but it generally is a hit-and-miss, especially if a server honors a deletion request on its behalf, which most servers do.
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
And where would those accounts be hosted? And how are they resolved?