Trudeau says Ukraine can strike deep into Russia with NATO arms, Putin hints at war
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Trudeau's Support: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau endorses Ukraine’s use of long-range missiles supplied by NATO to strike deep into Russia.
Russian Warnings: President Vladimir Putin warns that allowing Ukraine to use such missiles could be seen as NATO's direct involvement in the conflict, potentially escalating tensions.
Justification: Trudeau argues that these weapons are necessary for Ukraine to defend against Russian attacks on civilian infrastructure, including hospitals and daycares.
International Implications: Trudeau believes that allowing Ukraine to defend itself is crucial to maintaining the international rules-based order and preventing further aggression by other large nations.
Putin’s Stance: Putin’s comments are aligned with the Kremlin’s view that NATO's support for Ukraine is equivalent to direct participation in the war. Recent Ukrainian advances into Russian territory have heightened these tensions.
U.S. Position: The U.S., under President Joe Biden, is reviewing its policy on long-range missile provision but has not indicated a major policy change. Current U.S. policy allows strikes near the border but not deep into Russia.
Strategic Context: The international community is closely monitoring the situation, with the provision of advanced weaponry playing a significant role in the ongoing conflict dynamics.
lvsmtit78@reddit
Putin is a good shit talker, but they literally can’t beat a tiny country that has to get all its weapons donated so how is the threat of war supposed to scare anyone now? These types of Trump threats only make him look weaker at this point
Ok_Sea_6214@reddit
If Russia deploys nukes, the memes are going to be legendary.
life_hog@reddit
Why wait?
Mouthshitter@reddit
If his nukes even work after decades of neglect, I would caution that most of his arsenal are duds
Corrupted_G_nome@reddit
Im a wee bit too close to aserious target to feel comfortable about that.
waffle_fries4free@reddit
He's not the only one with nukes...
Anarcora@reddit
We know ours fly too.
Flux_State@reddit
Unless he launches nukes, there's just no other way for him to escalate. He's already doing every bad thing he's capable of to Ukraine and (covertly) US and NATO. If Russia hmm c
life_hog@reddit
There’s a lot of potential escalations between now and the Big One. Our power grid is intact, yes? Factories are still operating? Food supplies are unspoiled?
StickmanRockDog@reddit
Well said.
BringbackDreamBars@reddit
I predict that we wont see anything from the USA until November, it's probably seen as too risky before the election.
i think if Putin chooses escalation, he's going to wait for some missile to go off course/get intercepted to have something to sell as an excuse first. Even so, its probably going to be internal mobilisation measure rather than a wide response.
That_guy_mike1992@reddit
Biden has nothing to lose. If the US wanted to they would.
life_hog@reddit
A Trump campaign running on getting out of the war?
emseefely@reddit
Agreed. Why start a fight with US when there’s still a chance Trump wins and just hand him Ukraine.
aztecaluis11@reddit
I bet when Trump wins in November he ends the war
Neoptol3mus@reddit
lol state dept won’t let that happen even under a trump presidency.
Vegetable_Resolve_96@reddit
You mean like Obama did when he gave crimea to Russia ? You are a bot that regurgitates false narratives
adhoc42@reddit
Trump wasn't able to say simple "yes" when asked if he wants Ukraine to win. He just said he wants the war to end. He made his views on this conflict very obvious.
emseefely@reddit
Wish I was a bot. It would be a lot simpler. The Crimea situation was a bit more complex than Russia just taking over the territory versus what they did 2 yrs ago and attacked Kyiv.
Attilashorde@reddit
This argument doesn't make sense. Trump was already president once and Russia did not invade Ukraine during that time frame. In fact Russia invaded Ukraine twice once when Obama was in office and now when Biden is in office. How do you explain that?
dwarven11@reddit
Trump is too unpredictable. Not a strong leader, just wildly unpredictable. Despite Putin’s tough talk, he is scared to death of getting into a fight with NATO. Art of war, appear strong when you are weak etc..
p0rty-Boi@reddit
I ain’t ever seen a plant grow out of no toilet.
Grand_Classic7574@reddit
Electrolytes, it's what plants crave
New_Vast_4505@reddit
You don't invade when someone is already giving it to you. Did you forget Trump's first impeachment was for pressuring Ukraine and withholding the aid that they needed to defend themselves? I explain it simply, only during administrations Putin COULDN'T influence did he have to resort to violence, during Trump he simply told him what to do, like abandoning Syria and the freshly built US military bases, still stocked with Coke and Pepsi, and allowing Russia to scoop them up for free, no fighting required.
Attilashorde@reddit
Lol, you are seriously using Trump leaving coke and Pepsi for Russia? How do you feel about the Biden/Harris administration leaving all that military equipment in Afghanistan when they pulled out?
New_Vast_4505@reddit
They left on the timeline that their predecessor created, which I obviously think sucked. You know how that worked right? Who the President was that signed that withdrawal into law? I will give you 3 guesses.
Attilashorde@reddit
You know they could have changed the timeline right? Stuff gets changed all the time. You can't actually believe what you are saying.
New_Vast_4505@reddit
I was trying to keep it simple, I didn't think you knew nor cared, but you appear to have looked into it enough to know about it and have an opinion. I appreciate that. I don't disagree they should have changed the date from the one that was agreed upon, both Presidents were wrong, I am glad we agree.
elite0x33@reddit
This isn't how geopolitical agreements or foreign policy work. It's not black and white.
Trump most certainly set conditions for the exit and it takes a serious amount of preparation for moving 20 years worth of shit out of the country.
The fact that the deal was struck with the Taliban in Doha and not the governing body in Kabul should've been all the foreshadowing you needed to know it was going to be a shitshow whether he stayed in office or not.
thefedfox64@reddit
Putin didn't invade when Clinton was president nor when Reagan was president too. How do you explain that? Russia didn't invade during a global pandemic that killed millions of people...golly gee...what a basic understanding. You are acting like Putin knew Trump was going to President when Obama was in office. He didn't, and he didn't invade during a global pandemic, but the second it was over...yea he started that shit again.
Attilashorde@reddit
If Putin believes Trump will just hand him Ukraine he would have invaded when Trump was in office.
Also the pandemic started at the end of Trump's presidency not the beginning.
And of course he didn't invade when Regan was president. Regan was the US president in the 1980s. Putin came into power in the 1990s is this where I say golly gee? Someone doesn't know something that simple but wants to call me out for stating facts. Your facts can't even be backed up by looking at a time line.
thefedfox64@reddit
Your statement doesn't make sense. Putin didn't believe Trump would hand him Ukraine, but he does now. After hearing all that mumbo jumbo about not supporting Nato and Ukraine. The entire reason Putin didn't invade during Trumps Presidency was covid, not because he should have done it earlier. He invaded when he wanted too, regardless of who was in office. The timeline was 100% delayed due to covid.
Of course he wasn't President during Reagan, which is the golly gee attitude. He didn't know Trump was going to be president during Obamas tenure, so why does Trump becoming President have anything to do with the invasion that started well before Trump was even a thought of being a President. Unless your supposition is Putin knew Trump would be President, before the America people and before becoming a Republican, in which case...then you might have some insight onto this whole debacle
Clottadams@reddit
putin is 2000s not 90s
Attilashorde@reddit
Putin became the Prime Minister in 1999. In 2008 he became president. That was the reason I said he came to power in the 1990s. But you are correct.
Girafferage@reddit
I explain it as extreme false equivalence.
Girafferage@reddit
Actually it seems like a perfect time. Really old man is commander in chief, Nation is up in arms and divided, US is trying to help multiple nations around the world and is spread a bit thin.
emseefely@reddit
You would think so but it will just make both parties work together to fight a bigger enemy like what 9/11 did
BringbackDreamBars@reddit
And on the other side, there's plenty of softer approaches for Putin to turn up the heat on Biden before the election if he does approve long range weapons.
Given the timeframe on the election, you could have a response in the news cycle just in time for the election polling.
GWS2004@reddit
This is the plan.
Hot-Dragonfly5226@reddit
Yeah but the Democratic party might view a wartime Harris campaign as a more sure-fire way to secure the election
Bane8080@reddit
Unfortunately, you're probably right.
The people that support allowing Ukraine to use the weapons however they want, already aren't going to vote for cheeto nazi. So they only risk alienating voters who were on the fence.
Though I'd much prefer them do what's right, and allow it anyways.
lukaskywalker@reddit
And that missle will most likely happen to be made in Russia (or North Korea) but he will say otherwise. And bing bang boom. Escalation.
BringbackDreamBars@reddit
Setting up an "accident" himself is another possible avenue, hadnt thought of that.
Swimming_Duty_1889@reddit
Yes, but we need the US to give the OK. All the countries on Earth can say this, but until the US gives the OK it is not going to happen.
UnvaxxedLoadForSale@reddit
Didn't biden give the OK already?
Swimming_Duty_1889@reddit
No, and Blinken a few days ago said the US is not changing it stance.
lilith_-_-@reddit
This is for the best. Putin has explained why he says it involves nato into direct conflict and if it’s true, it makes perfect sense. It would be an escalation.
Alphadestrious@reddit
I don't think it's for the best
Russian economy has changed to a war time economy . That's why the sanctions haven't hit THAT bad. What happens if we let Russia take Ukraine ? Their economy goes in the shitter and Putin loses control .
Russia will never stop at Ukraine, it's in their best interest to continue .
Russia must be stopped ASAP . Let Ukraine use long range weapons. Russia is getting supplied by Iran and North Korea for missiles . Fuck them !!!
lilith_-_-@reddit
Hey I can agree to that but I can’t agree using nato soldiers to coordinate missile strikes. That draws the line. That dumps all of nato into a war. One that Russia plans to end immediately through nuclear capabilities. Russia has beefed up its military hospitals in every major city recently they fully expect and plan for this to go bigger. Let us not be in the wrong.
UnvaxxedLoadForSale@reddit
Sounds like the rest of Europe is sick of Putins shit.
nate-arizona909@reddit
Someone should tell Putin he’s having a hell of a time with Ukraine. The last thing he wants to do is pick a fight with NATO.
Willow1911@reddit
What’s he going to do attack us with that tired ass army of his?
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
Canada really shouldn't get an opinion on the matter. Only countries that meet the 2% have valid opinions on this.
I'm not saying he's wrong. Just saying it's a bit rich coming from a monkey like Trudeau
Effective-Ad-6460@reddit
32 countries in the NATO Alliance
Putin couldnt even take Ukraine
Its just fear mongering media
ignore it
Fidoistheworst@reddit
You think Russia is fighting 1 country? It's not. If it was purely Russia vs Ukraine, there was no chance.
AdAdministrative4388@reddit
Do you think Ukraine is fighting one country? And Russians being 4-5 times the size of themselves.
Fidoistheworst@reddit
No they aren't. Like I said before, in a pure 1 vs 1, Russia has the edge. This is not my thought, it's the analysis of literally every military strategist.
But that's beyond the point. Ukraine is not even the target. Ukraine really is irrelevant in this conflict. You think the Russians want to kill their cousins and that the Ukrainians want to fight back? All Ukraine is , is a theatre for a wider conflict and purpose.
Look at the bigger picture.
AdAdministrative4388@reddit
Of course, 1 vs 1 they can't compete they have a much smaller military and population.. But Russia is also getting help as well..
That's some significant Russian talking points there bud.. Ukrainians and Russians hate each other.. if they don't want to kill their cousins then why do they keep shooting and bombing them.. also stating the Ukrainian culture doesn't exist and Ukraine doesn't exist.. that does not match your rhetoric at all.
I think the main reason is they were scared to lose Sevastopol it's no coincidence that they hit Crimea first because of that. Now they are trying to take more resources but they had hoped the government would just topple.. it didn't now here we are.
What do you think their purpose is? War with nato? Seems a ridiculous strategy
Fidoistheworst@reddit
You have to read up on the history of Rus. Do you know that Kiev was the capital of old Russia? These things don't lose significance over time. The people living understand that their land was broken up by outside forces and they want it back, not for land, but for unity. They are the same people ethnically, they look the same, they eat the same food, they celebrate the same holidays, they dress the same, they are the same but they have been disingenuously been told, you are A and you are B, that you are not the same. This division causes hatred and fighting and instability. Why? Divide and conquer.
This war is not about land, they are not scared to lose a piece of dirt. They are fighting for their identity, for freedom. The longer they hold out, the more the Zionist forces inch towards chaining them down. War with NATO is coming, but that is also not the purpose. The purpose is good vs evil. The Zionists know that both NATO and Russia have nuclear weapons. In order for them to rule the earth, the current superpowers need to be removed from the spotlight, what better way than for the two to destroy each other (china too) and introduce a new world order?
Effective-Ad-6460@reddit
Ukraine held back the russians way before Western help arrived
Fidoistheworst@reddit
If you think that I don't know what to tell you. NATO was planning on Russia moving in since 2014 when they overthrew the Ukrainian government of the time in a color revolution.
I_steal_packages@reddit
Ukraine is supported by dozens of technologically advanced countries. Without help they won’t last 2 months. Same goes to other European countries. You need dozens of countries to match Russia.
Corrupted_G_nome@reddit
Same was true with Germany vs the common wealth, they can do a heck of a lot of damage and force most engagements to be in NATO territory.
Like germamy they are more mobilized and prepared for war.
Ie. Both Germany and France COMBINED have about a month worth of artillery shells at the rate Ukrane fires them. French light tanks have proven to be useless for any front line or offensive actions. The US built missiles for fighting insurgents, thankfully their stockpile is more comparable to Russia's.
UnvaxxedLoadForSale@reddit
How many nothing burgers will Putin serve until he actually does something?
chappelld@reddit
Infinite
Effective-Ad-6460@reddit
Russia has been threatening to nuke everyone since the cold war
No one wins if nukes are sent due to the MAD doctrine
Putin and his cronies wont be making any money if 80% of their population is wiped off the map
Same with the states and the UK .... Nukes will never be used.
Theres too much money to be made with billions going to work for major corps
Hot-Dragonfly5226@reddit
This is true but fails to consider the other ways nuclear warfare can be used. For example, allowing a nuclear reactor to explode or even allowing fissile material into the hands of another group. Also, Putin has CLEARLY demonstrated that losing even millions of Russian civilians isn’t off the table for him in Ukraine
Hot-Dragonfly5226@reddit
To add to this, there is an old nuclear reactor running near the area in Russia which Ukraine is occupying. That reactor has NO PROTECTIVE DOME and is housed in a regular building with almost no shielding.
Russia could strike this reactor with conventional weapons causing a meltdown, crush the Ukrainian incursion, and escalate the nuclear tensions of the war all without being culpable or triggering M.A.D.
harpo555@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
harpo555@reddit
Just gonna drop this here, for all his bluster Putin's "RED LINES" are a joke at this point,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
if he is gonna launch nukes that's between him and whatever deity(s) he may believe in, appeasement is simply not an option, I thought we didn't negotiate with terrorists, so why when putin says don't do this thing or else we should immediately do that thing, and with gusto. Nato tanks will be rolling up to the Kremlin before he presses the big red button, and NATO tanks will never roll up to the kremlin. Thats just simply not how they handle white world leaders.
Although this could age poorly !remindme 1 year
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All-I-Do-Is-Fap@reddit
“Canadians may have to go to war but that is a chance Im willing to take”
alex_484@reddit
JT leading the charge? From what I understand political arena isn’t his strong points
Ok_Region2804@reddit
He’s more into Halloween
RaspberryFun6868@reddit
Captain blackface.
Corrupted_G_nome@reddit
Yeah, war is comming for us if we like it or not. The world is losing stability and that trend is likely to get worse than better.
The best option would be to get prepared... But thats not happening either.
Superman246o1@reddit
No NATO countries are going to war. Putin will waggle his little fingers and say "BOO! WAR!" ad infinitum, but the last thing he wants is to provoke direct conflict with a nation that can invoke Article V.
Russia's been held to a stalemate for two-and-a-half years by a country with 1/4th its population and 1/10th its resources. Imagine what would happen if it picked a fight with all 32 NATO nations.
All-I-Do-Is-Fap@reddit
If The West / NATO / Ukraine's goal, because we really dont know what our goal actually is, is regime change Putin wont give a fk if he thinks they want him dead or removed.
Superman246o1@reddit
I sometimes wonder if the threat of NATO intervention is the possible way to end this mess. Putin is smart enough to know that he can't conquer Ukraine, but he's also smart enough to know that if he withdraws from Ukraine right now, his inner circle will sense his weakness and depose him. So he needs an "out" that allows him to withdraw from Ukraine while still being able to save face.
If it seems that NATO will start a conventional war with Russia -- which Russia would have no hope of winning -- that, and that alone might be the way for him to say something like, "We proudly took on 33 adversaries simultaneously, and forced them to agree to a peace treaty," or whatever he needs to say. The war ends, borders are restored to their pre-2014 boundaries, and Putin gets to remain on top in Russia while staying out of Ukraine. Hell, maybe let Russia back into the G7 (well, it would be the G8) and restore SWIFT privileges in exchange for the peace treaty.
That's the best realistic scenario I can envision for all parties. Chances are, however, Putin's ego will continue this nonsense, and more Ukrainians and Russians will continue to die in order to make one old man appear "strong."
All-I-Do-Is-Fap@reddit
Possible, however I really have no clue what we are doing. Like if they wanted this war to end why didnt we provide them with all this shit beforehand instead of slow roast Ukraine and get all their men killed? It makes no sense to me. If our goal however was to diminish Russias army and strike some sort of ego blow to Putin thats the only thing I can see positive coming out of this mess.
Anarcora@reddit
MAD rules everything. NATO is attempting to walk the balance beam of "helping Ukraine fight back the ruskies" without pushing Pootie to pushing the red button and launching any sort of nuclear strike.
The only goal NATO has had from the beginning is "win against Russia without triggering Russia".
That's the reason why the west has let Ukraine slow roast. Total fear of Mutually Assured Destruction and at the time, Russia was the Second Best Military In The World^(TM) Now that the world sees Russia as the paper tiger it is, NATO is feeling a bit more aggressive, but still taking baby steps because of the risk of MAD.
scarnegie96@reddit
If even just Poland entered the fighting Russia would have a big problem. Europe entering would spell the end of a conventional war pretty quickly and nothing even needs to be said for the US lmao
Anarcora@reddit
Any one of the Baltics, even with their really small armed forces, actually putting boots on the ground would be a big problem for Putin.
Right now he's throwing everything and the kitchen sink at Ukraine, and they're just taking territory like it's a normal ass Monday.
scarnegie96@reddit
It would definitely not be a good morning in Moscow! Poland just has a pretty large and modern military, they would be a massive problem for Russia.
mbanana@reddit
Which is what worries everyone.
Much-Debate-9526@reddit
I’m not really sure Ukraine “win”. In my opinion, this goes beyond tactical victories and peace talks. Russia and China are committed to turning the economic tide of the west. I personally believe Russia is playing an attrition war with the west. In a few years time, the west won’t be able to financially sustain a war with Russia and China. Russia will take Ukraine, it’s their (and Chinas) prerogative. China can’t move on Taiwan without Russia securing Ukrainian grain. China will be cut off from all trade to the west if it moves on Taiwan. The only hope it has of avoiding open rebellion due to starvation, is Ukrainian grain. It’s already the #1 importer of grain from Ukraine, so it dependency can’t be understated. Once this happens, NATO, collectively, won’t financially be able to afford a war with Russia and China. In my opinion, this seems the most logical end game strategy.
ameekpalsingh@reddit
Why would Justin want to escalate war between 2 countries that have 10000+ nukes each? There is no technological missile defense system that can defend the ENTIRE American contintent (or European Continent) from 100s of nuclear missiles all launched simultaneously.
HAS HE NOT SEEN TERMINATOR 1 and 2?
Some of these people are so delusionally overconfident. They will destroy us all because of their stupidity.
“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
Weak men will destroy us all and take us all back to the stone age. Humanity has a high chance of going back to the stone age, we may not be alive to see it. However, our great great great great grand kids might see it happen.
Mouthshitter@reddit
Dumb quote, not even accurate
ameekpalsingh@reddit
You are annoying, comment deleted.
pop_drop_and_rock@reddit
Fuck Russia I hope somebody kills Putin live on TV
sjb2971@reddit
He's hoping trump will win and abandon Ukraine. If that doesn't work he isn't going to go a damn thing to expand the war further. He's loosing his grip and there is no way he's dumb enough to take on a second or third front.
Wellsy@reddit
Storm Shadow should be approved in 10-15 days based on Telegraph reporting. Will likely be just after Zelensky presents hos Victory Plan next week.
This isn’t an escalation. It’s matching the use of Iranian ballistic missiles.
The fact that Russian is broadly using gas and chemical weapons and barely registering a “red line” from the West underlines how cautious (read: too cautious) the ramp up in weapons utilization has been.
It’s time to hit the rest of the garrisons and staging centres in Western Russia. Get rid of them. Then force them into peace talks.
Fightingkielbasa_13@reddit
Putin and what army?
PirateHungry8293@reddit
Send the new immigrants… they can be put in the army for 5 yrs
SithLordRising@reddit
France sadly is Americas bottom bitch
SosowacGuy@reddit
And Trudeau is the head of NATO now is he?
Corrupted_G_nome@reddit
Canadians seem think he is an all powerful ruler without law or government to be beholden to.
Heck he even caused the drought in India... Single handedly...
SosowacGuy@reddit
In Canada, he is in fact, a joke.
Winzlowzz@reddit
They are struggling to handle ukraine… why would they bite off more they can chew?
Corrupted_G_nome@reddit
They are low on options.
TheMorningDove@reddit
Biden is a pussy who puts politics ahead of innocent lives. He can give the green light on deep strikes and secure his presidential legacy as at least ending on a high note. Otherwise he looks like an impotent dementia patient who got thrown to the curb by his own damn party.
Corrupted_G_nome@reddit
Because leveling Russian cities is 'saving lives'...
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
How does Trudeau have any say or authority in the manner? Who cares what he says
fro99er@reddit
Who cares what the leader of one of the prominent NATO country says?
Clearly Putin if he is crying about it so much
What a dumb question
eight769@reddit
"prominent NATO country" lol
Corrupted_G_nome@reddit
Yeah, still part of the G7 and the 7th best funded military in NATO in dollars.
We produce armored vehicles and complex electronics used throughout NATO.
Massive strategic landmass our allies use and forces in allied nations such as Poland and Latvia.
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
Prominent? They are an irrelevant tag along.
JohnConnor7@reddit
Who cares what you say?
LazyCoffee@reddit
I care 🥺
eveebobevee@reddit
Me too ❤️
Chogo82@reddit
I don't see why Ukraine can't target military infrastructure deep in Russia. If this was Israel vs Russia, that kind of stuff would have happened already.
Greyeyedqueen7@reddit
New week, new nuclear threat from Putin.
WillBottomForBanana@reddit
Dude must be getting tired if we're only measuring them by the week now.
LeeryRoundedness@reddit
FunkyPlunkett@reddit
So a Monday?
Trickybuz93@reddit