The whole “dolphins are evil!!!” Thing is INFURIATING as a wildlife biologist
Posted by About60Platypi@reddit | marinebiology | View on Reddit | 17 comments
I keep seeing this everywhere! Any post I see about dolphins, video about dolphins, even mentioning dolphins in everyday conversation I get met with: “don’t you know that DOLPHINS ARE EVIL! People always talk about how sharks are evil but NO! The TRUUUE villains are dolphins!!!”
There’s something to be said about how pop science has created this monster of people who know just a tad about science then think they’re experts and constantly quote their 3 factoids at you like they’ve discovered some hidden truth. No, dolphins are NOT evil! Several points on this:
1.) “playing with their food/ torturing fish/ torturing pufferfish to get high”
We all know dolphins are HIGHLY intelligent. We are beginning to learn more and more that many animals, not just intelligent ones need to play. But especially for intelligent predatory animals, play is very important. It’s mental stimulation, and releases a ton of dopamine. We can speculate all day about why this is, like perhaps training certain skills, reinforcing social bonds, etc. but we know that dolphins like to play. They don’t have hands. What are they supposed to do to play with things other than mess with things in their environment like sponges and fish, but ALSO human litter and other abiotic things. They aren’t torturing anything for the joy of torture, they’re just playing with their food like cats, dogs, and any other more intelligent predator does. And on the topic of them “getting high” off of pufferfish: there is literally no evidence they are getting high. We know they play with pufferfish. People assumed they were getting high off them. To me it’s much more simple to assume that a pufferfish is a ball to play with. We know they like to play with balls. Pufferfish is a ball that can move on its own, so thus lots of fun. And in any case, if they WERE getting high off pufferfish toxin, so what? I always see people talking about any other animal getting high/drunk as if it’s very endearing (it is!) so why are dolphins any different?
- “They are intelligent so they must have morals and know what they’re doing is wrong!”
I cannot express how ridiculous this idea is. It assumes that our human morals would apply to any intelligent creature, but our morals are a direct result of our perception of the world and our very specific evolution as a species. Not even chimps would perceive the world the same as us, so it’s impossible to imagine how a dolphin, whose body, senses, brain, and every part of their behavior are adapted for a life spent entirely in water, might perceive the world. They MAY have “dolphin morality,” considering they probably have “cultures” (for dolphins!) but these would just be norms by pod and completely unrelated to our notions of morality. They don’t have human morals, we must not judge them for that. They are what they are. They’ve become the scapegoat evil sea animal after everyone realized sharks weren’t evil. We know they’re so highly intelligent so why not assume these “bad dolphins” are just assholes? Humans have assholes and bad people, so why shouldn’t dolphins. Perhaps the other dolphins think “wow, this fucking guy is back.” If we are out making unfalsifiable assumptions why not make them a bit more charitable. Because it doesn’t cause as much of a stir I’m sure.
- “They’re rapists!”
Again this is complete nonsense. It’s akin to accusing your dog of sexually assaulting you when they hump your leg. They don’t know what rape is. Their sexual behavior is not at all out of the ordinary for animals. Again, they DONT have human morality. How is it their fault, how can we get mad and accuse a dolphin of rape when a male dolphin gets sexually aroused and just starts to do what animals do, hump shit around them? Ducks have “rape” behavior but aren’t lampooned all over the internet for it. I even see Peter the dolphin brought up when people talk about this (the “teenage” male dolphin who got drugged with LSD and repeatedly jacked off by his handler who was trying to teach him English; he subsequently committed suicide after he was separated from her) when that whole situation was the farthest thing from being his fault.
Overall I think this is a larger trend where humans (or maybe just our current cultural moment) must see things in wildlife as GOOD or BAD. Sharks now = good, very cute, amazing! While dolphins and chimps now = BAD, very scary, terrible! For some reason people insist on finding animals and plants that are the good guys and animals and plants that are the bad guys. Let them exist as they are. They evolved to be that, we evolved to be us. How can we judge them by how closely they mimic human sensibilities when they are themselves way they are because they MUST be. That’s the only way they COULD EVER be.
ArtisticPay5104@reddit
Whilst I understand your points and am a big fan of dolphins, I do think their behaviour in ‘bullying’ other animals can be pretty shocking sometimes.
I work in marine mammal rescues and volunteer in strandings research and we see a lot of injuries and fatalities caused by dolphins. Obviously not all delphinids behave in the same way but bottlenose dolphins can be particularly aggressive to other species.
For example, the biggest perpetrator of porpicide is dolphins. Strandings research has shown that the main cause of death for harbour porpoises here in Scottish waters is dolphin attacks (as published by SAMS and SMASS).
In terms of the ‘rapey’ accusation, we see females of various dolphin species with ‘rake’ (teeth) mark injuries caused by aggressive males during mating season. They often gang up on females in a surprisingly violent way.
My first ever ‘rescue’ case was a pilot whale calf that had been separated from its pod and attacked by bottlenose dolphins. Pilot whales and dolphins are often friendly with each other, with dolphins sometimes ‘adopting’ lone calves so this was an unusual and significant case. However, this one was covered in deep bottlenose rake marks, bleeding and badly ‘beaten up’. As a first case I will never forget the helpless feeling upon sitting with this calf, listening to it crying and squeezing it’s eyes shut tight as we waited for a vet to arrive and confirm euthanasia.
Obviously, on another level we have orcas which are known to attack and kill the calves of sperm whales, minkes, humpbacks and even blue whales. However, I am not closely involved with these cases and they may be actually eating these whales as opposed to the bottlenose which appear to do it as a play behaviour, often by testosterone-fuelled young males.
So, whilst I agree that dolphins aren’t ‘evil’, they are not the cute and fluffy creatures that many people think they are. I think that lots of scientists, researchers and volunteers who study them talk about the dark side of dolphins in a lighthearted and jokey way but still love them despite the trouble they cause.
bakedveldtland@reddit
Agree! Once I witnessed at least 4 bottlenose dolphins chasing/harassing a manatee that was just trying to GTFO. Was I surprised? Not really, but man dolphins can be such stinkers.
I feel like they are quite like humans in that regard. There are some amazingly kind and generous humans- and some humans are just assholes. Dolphins have distinct personalities and they are very intelligent, so it makes sense that not all of them will behave in the same way.
And yes, I know tons of people who have worked with dolphins that love them while recognizing how wild they can be. One of my friends jokingly calls them the “thugs of the sea”. I’ve seen male dolphin alliances working together to control females so they can mate with them, so I mean… they kind can be thugs.
But that is also what makes them fascinating.
ArtisticPay5104@reddit
Absolutely.
And the comments about anthropomorphising them are interesting too… Whilst I totally agree that they don’t reflect human moral behaviour so we cannot compare them in that way, I think that we actually underestimate a lot of the ways in which they’re similar to us (as you say, in terms of character and emotion). You only have to look at the ongoing findings in areas like sperm whale culture and communication to see how we’re only just beginning to see the complexities of their societal structures.
ArtisticPay5104@reddit
And also… poor manatee.
Maybe it’s ‘dolphins aren’t evil but they can be total dicks’
marinebiology-ModTeam@reddit
Your submission was removed as it violated rule #3: No Misinformation. This may include but is not limited to posts and comments about: conspiracy theories, cryptozoology, and pseudoscience. Not a wildlife biologist.
termsofengaygement@reddit
I think the main problem is people anthropomorphizing animals at all. Animal behavior is neutral. They aren't us and don't play by our social rules.
zoonose99@reddit
I think that’s the joke?
The ‘dolphins are evil thing’ is riffing on the way human moral intuition applies in fits and starts as you scale up intelligence and received empathy.
Nobody is suggesting ants are actually evil. Their behaviors are morally incomprehensible in human terms, but we don’t expect that much from them. There isn’t an unexamined view of ants as being imbued with special intelligence — the way we suspect whales, dogs, cats, and a few other creatures with big soulful eyes are.
The fun of the evil “reveal” with dolphins that has made for so much clickbait is the vertiginous feeling of admitting that you’ve inappropriately foisted human-like feelings onto a wild animal.
call_me_starbuck@reddit
You're absolutely right
(but I have been at an aquarium when there was an attempted gang-rape going on in the dolphin tank and all the parents were trying to be like "oh they're just playing!" and all I could think was I bet this never happens in the river fish exhibit)
aretheselibertycaps@reddit
Maybe don’t keep highly intelligent social animals in tanks then ? You’re not gonna see dolphins trying to commit suicide in the wild but self harm is common in captive cetaceans
call_me_starbuck@reddit
Yeah, I don't run the aquarium, mate, I was just there
aretheselibertycaps@reddit
No way for real???
I guess you support it though since you give them your money
Romboteryx@reddit
I feel the same about that stupid anti-koala copypasta. Worst thing is I have even seen redditors who used that to justify koala extinction
Cararacs@reddit
You are not a wildlife biologist. According to your last post you worked at a dorm. Taking classes at a university and working towards a degree does not make you a wildlife biologist. Successfully getting a graduate degree and then working as biologist with wildlife makes you a wildlife biologist.
Don’t inflate your experience, there’s nothing wrong having these views as a student, but students masquerading themselves as professionals is infuriating.
Snarktopus8@reddit
you mad bro?
About60Platypi@reddit (OP)
Yep!
Snarktopus8@reddit
lol
Channa_Argus1121@reddit
While I mostly agree with your opinion, the media depiction of dolphins as “kind intelligent superheroes” as opposed to sharks as “brainless machines that crave human flesh” has definitely taken a toll on the general public’s perception of these two animals.
While neither are evil nor particularly aggressive, both are large predators that should be observed with care and respect.