America spreading confidence with the F-22 Stealth Fighter jets in Bali, Philippines and Brunei.

Posted by boracay302@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 13 comments

https://www.balidiscovery.com/four-us-fighter-jets-land-in-bali/

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AdditionalAd9794@reddit

The problem is we don't have enough of them. When the project was started we were supposed to have 750, instead we got just under 200

In addition we have 630 F35s with plans to build 1800 more.

We have the same problem Russia has, just not nearly as pronounced, as they only have roughly 15 of their SU-57s, China has about 200 J20s

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Remember that the F22 was built to fight a cold war that was no longer going to exist. It's capabilities do not match the current threats. It's a great deterrent. It still wipes out all other aircraft in simulated combat, and prevents intrusion by others because they don't stand a chance.

We have capabilities that are going to be filled or are currently being filled by UCAVs. Without going into detail, we have a much greater capacity for this than is currently disclosed, and if you look at the correct military hardware, it's obvious.

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Superman246o1@reddit

It remains to be seen -- and I hope for everyone's sake that we never find out in actual combat -- whether the J-20's weapons envelope can genuinely compete with that of the F-22. If it can, then air superiority for the Americans and allies will require the combined capabilities of F-22s plus the numerical superiority of F-35s.

But given the F-22s reputation for outclassing everything it flies against, that's a tall order.

If the J-20's true capabilities are more comparable to an F-15, then it could turn to 186 F-22s vs. 0 remaining J-20s very quickly.

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AdditionalAd9794@reddit

The problem is lack of US manufacturing. We started building F22s in 1997, we've built 195, have 186 in service.

China on the other hand started building J20s in 2018. They have upwards of 200, and estimated 250, with plans to have 800 by 2030.

The US has stopped building air superiority craft and opted more for a strike craft in the F35

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Superman246o1@reddit

Oh, I hear you! I'm just skeptical about whether the J-20 really is as good as the PROC insists it is. If it is, it's a problem for U.S. interests. But if they're pretending they're more advanced than they really are, then they may just be paper tigers.

This could all be the Chinese equivalent of the Mig-25 propaganda of the 60s and 70s.

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boracay302@reddit (OP)

And F-35 is slower and not designed for dog fighting. Its a support aircraft that does air to ground missions. No way it can take on a SU or MIG 35.

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luciferlol_666@reddit

Lol. Russian shit doesn't work. F35 and f22 would take down whatever the "5th gen" bullshit russia made before it even showed on radar.

Fucking F16 would probably outperform Russian 5th Gen fighters.

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AdditionalAd9794@reddit

Russian technology in some aspects is ahead of ours, they lack the ability to manufacture high end technology, hence why they only have around 15 SU-57s. Matter of fact it's even worse than that. My vague understanding is Russia only has 1 SU-57 built to spec, the other dozen or so are equipped with updated/improved 4th generation Powerplant and technology, as Russia lacks the high end manufacturing to produce 5th generation jet engines, and is the reason they are pushing so hard to partner with India and Iran. My understanding is, as intended, built to spec the SU 57 is superior in some measures to our F-22, but seeing as they only have 15, 1 built to spec, it is a null point.

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flamehead2k1@reddit

An F-35 isn't going to respawn into a dogfight.

They would delete the opponent from well outside visual range.