“As a gun owner, I don’t want to take away your guns”.
Posted by Yeetdembabies@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 189 comments
Posted by Yeetdembabies@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 189 comments
shapes88@reddit
Nope
New_Manufacturer5975@reddit
You can tell who failed US History by the comments that they make on social media. War on drugs did NOT Work. Prohibition did NOT work so an unconstitutional ban on guns will NOT work either!
draco6x7@reddit
but we've never tried "Real" Prohibition. ;)
Dragnet714@reddit
There's a bar close to where I live called Prohibition.
HatApprehensive4314@reddit
need a Kamala shooting range
TJJ97@reddit
There’s a “prohibition cannabis” place near me. It’s a dispensary
gac1311@reddit
Have a strange feeling that there is a “Prohibition” bar in every city haha
Easy name for a “speakeasy-style bar”
Dragnet714@reddit
Maybe it's like a chain🤷🏻.
gac1311@reddit
Nah, these are usually located in whichever neighborhood has been gentrified recently, ran by a handlebar-mustache-wielding bartender who is a “mixologist” and burns wood at the bar and traps it under a cup for your smoky old fashioned.
krispzz@reddit
completely accurate.
HatApprehensive4314@reddit
“this time will be different”
boarder981@reddit
It works in other countries
Proph__et@reddit
Other countries don't have 400 million guns and share a border with Mexico
MimesAreGay@reddit
What a false equivalency. Drugs are illegal currently and alcohol isn't. So what's the point your trying to make? Also it's a proposal on a particular type of weapon, not all weapons.
People need to stop with this "our fore fathers...". How many bullets could fire in a minute at that time? So shut the hell up.
A_WILD_SLUT_APPEARS@reddit
The problem is that the people writing the bills and deciding what said “particular type of weapon” is have demonstrated time and again that they don’t understand the distinctions between types of weapons and don’t have a firm grasp on what would constitute what they’re attempting to ban. Besides that, they’ve tried an Assault Weapons Ban before. For years. And it didn’t work at all.
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Servantofthedogs@reddit
“I’m all for the second amendment, but no one needs weapons of war” is a sure sign they failed Civics
johnhtman@reddit
Ironically too the AR-15 is purely a civilian gun. It's less a "weapon of war" than most hunting rifles.
gittenlucky@reddit
They did it once. Didn’t work then either.
fastcolor03@reddit
While I show you my pretty damn sweet M16A4 (clone) rifle with binary trigger ( flipped to ‘auto’ fire - it does something ) and the bag of some (50) 30rd mags, as well as my 1/2 dozen tax stamps for other devices - I will also demand that you know that access to firearms by stupid people is the issue. And no matter what you say all the dead defenseless unarmed children … and adults - would agree if … well .. they could.
The 2A enforces the right to bear arms, it is on us as a people to prevent the stupid & dangerous from handling or possessing firearms. Particularly weapons that easily multiply the tragedy that ALWAYS occurs in the hands of the stupid, mentally ill or criminal. Access is the issue, and if you have trouble with that you may be arguing why the stupid, mentally ill or criminal deserve such access.
aztracker1@reddit
Your rights should not be suspended without trial.
fastcolor03@reddit
No one’s ’rights’ would be suspended if access was better controlled without undue restriction. Consider; full funding laws we have, reasonable waiting periods (5 working days?). Full funded robust back ground checks ( no pass, no go, you wait - but have streamlined way to challenge it correct). Transfer documentation public & private. No semi-auto weapons under any kind 21. National standard for red flag law. Severe penalty for ‘enabling’ law violations ( ‘ accessory’ like .. like gifting your 14 year old a semi-auto rifle). ), negligence in storage & handling, etc.
aztracker1@reddit
You have a right to arms. Any restriction that isn't through a court/judicial process is inherently undue.
fastcolor03@reddit
I have many rights and I exercise them . Bearing arms is one . None of them installs any my right to harm others. As noted above ; “The 2A enforces the right to bear arms, it is on us as a people to prevent the stupid & dangerous from handling or possessing firearms. Particularly weapons that easily multiply the tragedy that ALWAYS occurs in the hands of the stupid, mentally ill or criminal. Access is the issue, and if you have trouble with that obvious causation you may be arguing why the stupid, mentally ill or criminal deserve such access” … and without any amendments, the subsequent violations of “the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
Do people who demonstrably will not or can not execute a right given - without irreparably harming others (even themselves) - be permitted the unfettered opportunity to damage community & society? Here the damage isn’t just insult or monetary . It is often not survivable. It is maiming and death. Court is always too fucking late!
We could do a turn on that old ‘Soldier of Fortune’ magazine masthead mantra ; ‘“kill’em all let (their) god sort it out” and flip that to “save ‘em all, let the courts sort it out.” That would be better? Right?
aztracker1@reddit
If you want more judges, fine. I stand by my prior statement. I'm emphatically not in favor of red flag laws or any other process that restricts rights without due judicial process.
fastcolor03@reddit
Concur. However destruction happens before court. It is unscheduled. From suicide, to domestic violence to mass murders. With any active red flag law, there needs to be an equally vigorous restitution process. Inevitably , erring on the side of caution will piss on someone’s rights more often than it should.
On the other hand, it might save as many lives as people it inconveniences? One is annoying AF. The other is do no harm.
A red flag option may have given a brother time to make a different choice. I dunno. But waiting for court would have meant death.
GrandSwamperMan@reddit
Define, in objective terms, "assault weapon".
misspelledusernaym@reddit
If it looks scary. The wood ones that do the exact same thing are ok though.
Credible333@reddit
What if the wood is black.
IDrinkMyBreakfast@reddit
Unless they have the thing that goes up
gotbock@reddit
Don't forget the 2000 round per second automatic clipazines.
IDrinkMyBreakfast@reddit
Oh, the banana thing. Good catch!
Track607@reddit
Man, you guys really know a lot about those fiery arms.
IDrinkMyBreakfast@reddit
Yeah, we know so much, we should write the laws
Track607@reddit
Maybe you can hold someone up at gun point.
IDrinkMyBreakfast@reddit
Isn’t that what all gun owners do?
/s in case it’s not obvious
Track607@reddit
Is /s supposed to be an emote depicting you holding a gun towards me?
IDrinkMyBreakfast@reddit
My god, it like you can read my mind!
Track607@reddit
No, you have me all wrong. I would never do that. Please don't kill me.
ResolveWild8536@reddit
This might be the most hilarious comment thread I've ever seen
commandercool86@reddit
Is this a penis joke? Wood one that goes up
IDrinkMyBreakfast@reddit
If you’re brave enough
Barskor1@reddit
Any weapon used to attack aka total disarmement is their end goal.
bill_bull@reddit
Claymores are defensive, so those should be good to go!
Hack874@reddit
Big scary black gun
nosleepcreep206@reddit
Thank god most of mine are fde
nolwad@reddit
Gonna run for office, add color as a thing to assault weapons ban, then sue myself for the dumb law, take it to court, and get assault weapons bans gone once and for all
Ninja_rooster@reddit
Big black cannon.
Hack874@reddit
The BBC
CaptainMan_is_OK@reddit
Now do “Assault human” using the same logic
TheMeatSauce1000@reddit
13% of the firearms commit half of the nd’s
Henchforhire@reddit
The know and it's a semi-automatic weapon and man one gun bill I read a few years ago listed every single part of guns and accessories they wanted to ban so it would be a complete ban just not AR-15 and like they had handguns and shotguns listed in this bill.
They play dumb but know damn well what they want banned, they just don't want to scare any pro-gun democrat.
AffinityForLepers@reddit
Supreme guns, the AK 47 supreme.
Wildwildleft@reddit
Look at states that have passed it. That’s what they want to ban. I live in Washington and I can’t get shit here anymore. They want that nationally. I really really hope she loses.
Muted_Balance6945@reddit
If breach load or rifle action is not good enough for you, range time is what you need.
nicbizz33@reddit
A rifle with an intermediate cartridge.
NoVacancyHI@reddit
Semiautomatic rifles, that's their goal
Banesmuffledvoice@reddit
Anything that scares them.
Veddy74@reddit
Except for the ones I do. Never forget the Columbine killers used guns that were legal under the Assault Weapons Ban.
Diligent_Agent_9620@reddit
That's kind of the point . People like her want to restrict everything to themselves
Veddy74@reddit
Right
aztracker1@reddit
More people are killed with handguns than any other form of firearm... "let's ban the scary looking ones."
Makes sense to me. /s
No-Platform-9721@reddit
Says they’re not coming for firearms. Proceeds to come after one of the most popular firearms platforms owned by civilians.
cheesecrystal@reddit
I’m going to start selling wood grain decals on Amazon for people to disguise their poor black guns from the new gestapo. Never thought I’d see the day when the government openly came for the blacks, again.
Diligent_Agent_9620@reddit
This isn't the Underground Railroad I remember talking about in high school
Asura6I6@reddit
These two parties do not care about their voters. The biggest donors are not people like you and me, so I will never trust the government. That being said we need a revolutionary change in our society(two party systems are the only choices in almost all democratic countries) and its like a repeat of the same crap. You vote for them, they immediately forget you and opt to listen to the donors who gave them the most money to make the rules. Its pathetic
BuckToofBucky@reddit
It depends on what the definition of is is
canonmp11dx@reddit
I’m used to being lied to by politicians, but I fear so many rolls keep thinking “this time it will be different.”
TheBigMotherFook@reddit
Is it me or do leftists generally tend to think optimistically and say “things will be different this time” and righties tend to be more pessimistic and say “well at least he’s better than ______.” I hear the same general rhetoric every election cycle.
A_WILD_SLUT_APPEARS@reddit
I think both parties/sides are guilty of each thing. Right wing people think that about the War on Drugs or the like, or increasing spending in areas like law enforcement or the military. Leftists think that about banning assault weapons, etc.
Plus I’d say the Republican Party is much better about presenting a united front/rallying around a candidate that is “good enough,” whereas Democrats seem much more fractured and there’s a lot more audible “well he/she isn’t my favorite candidate, and I would have picked X instead, but we have to stick with who is on the ballot or else the other side will win.”
natermer@reddit
Learned helplessness.
They want the population obsessed about election politics and voting for president so they don't put any effort into doing anything that actually matters.
heyohhhh84@reddit
If we want change, we need to change how Congress operates. No more bills with a thousand different new laws and regulations. They know it’s almost impossible to read the entire thing (Pelosi - , “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”). Only way to control the spending as well.
Velsca@reddit
Y'all are just not understanding that we are no longer one country. If I legally defend myself in rural Texas I'm gonna be fine. If I defend myself in NYC the collective jury, judge, prosecutor, defense, news anchor, and court recorder are all going to smile passing a 40 year sentence while at the same time freeing some dude with 40 priors. We're two entirely different countries. One has a constitution the other has more in common with Mao than you or me. No voting will change this. Move to a place worth saving and build a first world bubble in the collapse.
darthnugget@reddit
Single issue bills should be a requirement. No tangentially associated items. If those tangential items are important then it should be separate bill.
dballing@reddit
You’ll never get compromise if you have single purpose bills because they’re effectively unenforceable contracts. “Yeah vote on this bill you don’t like and I solemnly swear I’ll vote on that other bill that I don’t like later.”
You need the ability to perform these sorts of trade offs or you won’t get anything done
ktrain42@reddit
If its not worth voting for, then it shouldn't get passed.
dballing@reddit
Ah, that's why I love my fellow libertarian-minded folks.... their complete and utter lack of recognition for the real world.
les196781@reddit
Your stance seems to imply that government "getting things done" is either necessary or inherently a good thing.
darthnugget@reddit
The real world is harsh.
Samniss_Arandeen@reddit
Good luck legally enforcing that.
heyohhhh84@reddit
And the title of the bills should not be designed to trick people into thinking that is what they are trying to accomplish. It pisses me off when politicians get accused of being anti (fill in the blank) when they don’t vote for a bill when in fact they disagree with particular issue in it.
MataMeow@reddit
The Patriot act comes to mind
BannedAgain-573@reddit
Yea that Omni bus bill or whatever they do is absolutely nonsense.
The big funding bill that shuts the government down every year is absolute shit
heyohhhh84@reddit
And they use it as leverage in order to pass all the crap that’s hidden inside.
EevelBob@reddit
Bernie Sanders is the only truthful politician in the democrat party. His recent comment suggesting that Kamala is only changing her positions to “win the election” was immediately memory-holed by the media.
johnhtman@reddit
Unfortunately he's changed his positions somewhat, but he was one of the most pro-gun candidates in 2016, more so than either Clinton or Trump.
BannedAgain-573@reddit
Temporary gun owners is going to eat this up
canonmp11dx@reddit
What?
BP-arker@reddit
The siren call of the left. “It will be different this time.”
heyohhhh84@reddit
Every 4 years.
kamadojim@reddit
And finally, the streets of Chicago will be safe.
johnhtman@reddit
It's worth mentioning that Chicago isn't even among the top 10 most dangerous metropolitan cities in the country. A better example would be Baltimore Maryland, or Washington D.C. Both of them are among the top 10 cities for murders, and have strict gun laws.
kamadojim@reddit
So, you’re saying Chicago is safe?
saggywitchtits@reddit
Or another Illinois City, East St Louis.
Hesnotarealdr@reddit
Not to mention DC, San Fran, LA, Compton, New Orleans, Philly, and so on.
XiphosEdge@reddit
Indiana is smuggling guns into those cities too. /s
Hesnotarealdr@reddit
LOL.
XiphosEdge@reddit
I got downvoted on a Libertarian sub for being pro-2A. Seems legit.
MrWolfman29@reddit
No no, Indiana will somehow illegally smuggle all of those evil guns into Chicago just to ruin their Progressive Utopia.
guacotaco@reddit
I'm from indiana... I know at least one person who makes his beer money taking guns into chicago.
So I mean, it does happen. business is business you know.
MrWolfman29@reddit
Right, which will always be an issue. It's just like the pro-gun control California getting caught smuggling in automatic guns and explosives for one of the gangs out that way years ago. A black market will always exist and people preaching one thing will be happy to use their position of power to exploit an opportunity. It's why Prohibition never works unless you can eliminate the thing from complete existence.
WrathOfPaul84@reddit
"guns for me, not for thee"
Martincountytactical@reddit
She can go fuck herself
RenZ245@reddit
If I recall correctly that was declared unconstitutional, and even if it wasn't, supreme court would be happy to drop kick that bill into oblivion
ARatOnATrain@reddit
Harris can just pack the court to get the rulings she wants.
RenZ245@reddit
not if none of them die within 4-8 years
ARatOnATrain@reddit
Democrats have proposed adding more justices so they can alter the balance.
RenZ245@reddit
Then again, when has dems ever got their ambitious plans done? Dems generally can't get a lot done but love making promises that buy votes.
Northstrat212@reddit
Cry more
Jttwofive_@reddit
Didnt Bill Clinton already pass this bullshit already back in the 90's?
mcotoole@reddit
She thinks people have no memory of what she has said in the past; thank goodness for the Internet.
Perfect-Resort2778@reddit
Someone ask her to define what an "assault weapon" is. Like doe she want to ban kitchen knives? How about BB guns? Air shot? How about just banning "assault", oh wait.
cheesecrystal@reddit
WTF is an assault weapon? Because if it’s nothing more than a semiautomatic rifle then this pinko turd is talking crazy.
Me_MeMaestro@reddit
Listen guys, the most bloodthirsty government in modern history simple wants you to be safe. Just give up your guns and everything will improve, trust us. No one needs an assault weapon, especially after we seem them terrorists and start up the armored patrols in their backyards making sure they haven't been posting illegal speech
Jazman1985@reddit
Stack up Bitch
OklahomaGuy3@reddit
That’s exactly what’s going to happen. Assault Rifles = Guns
gotbock@reddit
She's also on record multiple times supporting mandatory gun "buybacks". Which is just confiscation with extra steps.
saggywitchtits@reddit
We'll pay you $5 in a Walmart gift card that can only be redeemed at one specific Walmart in Amarillo, TX. We find this to be fair for your now illegal weapons of mass destruction.
FreeRangeAlien@reddit
An assault weapons ban would not take anyone’s gun from them tho….
EatProp@reddit
That is an oxymoron
FreeRangeAlien@reddit
How is that?
aknockingmormon@reddit
She really do be just lying, huh?
FreeFalling369@reddit
We all know what happens when the guns go away
capndodge17@reddit
Ban Assault Politicians
iroll20s@reddit
We should just make mental illness illegal. That'll be just as effective except it'll target the actual problem.
A-N-R@reddit
She probably bought stock in a gun or ammo company.
shootinstar_r@reddit
Without a doubt! And ties to the military industrial complex.
AldrichOfAlbion@reddit
Crazy thing is they want to take the guns of American citizens AND allow heavily armed gangs from Central America to flood in with their guns.
As long as they keep the border open, any gun buyback schemes isn't creating a safer America, it's just disarming the ability of American citizens to protect themselves.
Bulldogs3144@reddit
Nothing is going to change if she gets elected. A lot is going to change if he does. And not in a good way. She is what we need right now. Not long term.
ExploringtheWorld_40@reddit
He was president for four years. What did he pass or veto was so terrible during his time in office?
NuderWorldOrder@reddit
He did oversee the creation of an unconstitutional ban on "bump stocks".
Maltoron@reddit
True, luckily the supreme court has already struck that down.
slowpoke_1992@reddit
You forgot the /s
Bulldogs3144@reddit
Spooling em up ain’t hard.
RetreadRoadRocket@reddit
Lmao, and what really changed last time he was POTUS?
stilt0n@reddit
So last time around we got massive inflation, 15 million illegal immigrants, record national debt, an internet censorship regime, weaponization of the justice system, but it was all worth it for 4 years of no mean tweets
UFindSomeoneToCarryU@reddit
Democrat fear mongering. Nothing is going to change regardless of who is elected. Both parties have done a good job angering their voters to the point they are blinded. The country is divided in half and there’s little chance for anything to happen. Trump didn’t take anything away. Both candidates are terrible. In 4 years we will be in the same position, the voters will be poor and the government will still be living in the lap of luxury as we fight each other.
misspelledusernaym@reddit
Yea but jo jorgensen isnt on the ballot this time around.
SavvyEquestrian@reddit
We need government price fixing and an overwhelming number of immigrants from all over the world, including countries that would prefer us dead?
That'll work out just fine, surely.
kicksr4trids1@reddit
If OP got their “ information “ from The Guardian, the are a Republican owned news outlet and they are liars!! No other news media outlet is reporting this!!
spaztick1@reddit
Hasn't she said this multiple times?
XiphosEdge@reddit
Yes.
https://youtu.be/4i4bzFOqDyg?feature=shared
Most recently at one of her rallies.
kicksr4trids1@reddit
I stand corrected but it’s much more nuanced than just the Assault Rifle Ban.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kamala-harris-walz-gun-ban/
Why do people need an Assault Rifle in the first place? Do you hunt with an assault rifle? Are you hunting people? There are plenty of guns available, what is so special about an assault rifle? This is a serious question, I hope someone can reply w/ out being an ass.
HuskerStorm@reddit
It's scary how long I had to read before this comment...it was my immediate thought as well.
grayman1978@reddit
As a politician, I am a liar.
jt7855@reddit
Congress having a ban on guns is a violation of our constitutional rights. Harris says her values have not changed because she never had any values
DrooshBagggg@reddit
Is a bat an assault weapon because I can use it as a weapon to assault people?
MrGreenChile@reddit
Not if you keep a glove and ball in the trunk with it.
katiel0429@reddit
Knock Knock Knock
“Yeah, Mr DrooshBag with four ‘g(s)’? We have reason to believe you have bats of the assault weapon variety. We’re gonna need to take a look around.”
PsychoticMessiah@reddit
Any bat over a certain weight will be considered an assault weapon.
redpandaeater@reddit
This makes flying foxes and other megabats sad.
BobRossmissingvictim@reddit
You know there once was a time where the people hung politicians in the streets for violating their rights.
ClearConscience@reddit
I know being an American, it's easy to roast the French. But I think we have a thing or two to learn from them on how to protest and hold politicians accountable.
RSLV420@reddit
Or the Dutch. They ate one of their politicians.
MrGreenChile@reddit
The long pork.
BobRossmissingvictim@reddit
You know last year I said the same thing when they banned together against the establishment
LibertarianBrit10118@reddit
Friendly fire will not be tolerated.
Ok_Sea_6214@reddit
The biggest gun owner in the world doesn't want you to have guns.
That's like Microsoft banning you from using Linux.
SteelRose3@reddit
Oh just like how she loves fracking!!! Kamala the chameleon!!
hello8437@reddit
It just never ends
Myte342@reddit
Sure thing. You first.
IDontLikePayingTaxes@reddit
Knives are used in more murders each year than “assault weapons”
katiel0429@reddit
Just great. You had to say something. Now we’re gonna have to cut steak with spoons.
redpandaeater@reddit
I went vegetarian after my incisors and canines were banned after a biting epidemic.
mediocretes@reddit
“Take the guns first, go through due process second.” — Donald
Appropriate-Lake620@reddit
Takin away guns and banning new sales are 2 very different things. Let’s not fall under the temping spell of useless hysteria.
The problem with every 2a debate is each side talking past each other. Let’s not exacerbate this problem.
spaztick1@reddit
One is taking them from me. And one is denying them to my children and grandchildren.
The Hughes amendment technically took machine guns from the people in two generations. At least the non rich people.
No-Document-8440@reddit
This is one of their main goals. Take our guns and keep the border open. It's how the west falls.
Sand831@reddit
Jungle Manchettes?
Boring-Scar1580@reddit
She doesn't want to take away your guns but she will if she "has" to .
Just clarified her position
HAIKU_4_YOUR_GW_PICS@reddit
“But that’s different, these are super scary guns. Weapons of war, even! No one needs that!”
over_kill71@reddit
lately people on this sub forget her statements like this as they and bots kiss her stinky ass.
A7omicDog@reddit
She doesn’t want to take away your guns. Kamala wants ARMED AGENTS to take away your guns.
pqrqcf@reddit
Whether or not you agree with the renewal from a libertarian perspective, this renewal isn't taking away any guns.
cyrusthemarginal@reddit
Damn slippery guns always falling out the boat
Powerism@reddit
In my best mom voice, “No I’m not, okay? So stop lying. And give em here.”
Subziro91@reddit
Every 4yrs when a democrat is in office it’s always “we need to banned guns”, republicans fight with them talking about their rights . Nothing happens, kids get killed in schools, gun sales then go up because people with guns think this will be the reason why guns get banned, but then the circles goes back around .
I can tell you 100% confirm rate nothing will change . So everyone in this post who’s worried that the big bad government is taking away guns, don’t .
TheMisterA@reddit
And Mandatory buybacks.
HamboneTh3Gr8@reddit
"We're going going to take your guns, we just won't let you buy any new guns that you can use to effective defend yourself from us."
BuhoTortugaSapo@reddit
These are weapons of war. Like the ones Tim Walz carried on the battlefield
skooba87@reddit
So many people fail to realize that the whole point of the Constitution was to help define the role of government and protect the people from said government. When you try to explain the 2nd was never about "hunting", it always about overthrowing a corrupt and oppressive government, they go full ostrich mode.
Lopsided_Ad3516@reddit
Ban them…from State use?
Haunting-Traffic-203@reddit
She’ll sell even more guns than Obama or Biden
TargetOfPerpetuity@reddit
Motion to refer to groups who believe in this crap as Ban Assault Weapons Losers (BAWL) from now on.
Guns are here to stay. You're not getting them. Cry about it.
ConscientiousPath@reddit
She can fuck all the way off
laxintx@reddit
Real shame so many are lost to senseless and tragic boating accidents every year.
wrabbit23@reddit
How can you tell if a politician is lying?
Their lips are moving
ActiveTooter@reddit
Read: Buy Assault Weapons
AldruhnHobo@reddit
You call them assault weapons. The only ones assaulting anyone is the government. Leave my liberty stick out of it.