When did we decide to be okay with overheating laptops?

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Rye42@reddit

Yeah i'm not ok with overheating laptops so i decided to just build a desktop and buy a macbook.

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LeotardoDeCrapio@reddit

Around the time they were putting full-blown high-end RISC CPUs in workstation laptops in the 90s.

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pdp10@reddit

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or referring to Tadpoles and RDIs.

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Netblock@reddit

It's a tradeoff against a few other things. To make the CPU/GPU not run at 100'C during max load you have to either,

reduce clocks, lowering performance
increase cooler size, increasing cost and weight
increase fan speed, increasing noise

It's also worth noting that contemporary mobile systems probably power-budget between the CPU and the various compute accelerators (like GPU) in attempt to maximise performance against a shared cooler.

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RedTuesdayMusic@reddit

increase cooler size, increasing cost, size and weight

Yes, this one, thanks. Nobody asked for wafer thin and fragile devices.

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xXxRoligeLonexXx@reddit

Most people asked for thinner devices rather than thicker. The laptop gamer segment are mostly just a small group of children whose parents are divorced.

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SupportDangerous8207@reddit

Literally this lol

My parents divorced

I had a fat brick gaming laptop I loved it

Ever since I moved out which is close to a decade now I play on my desktop and I have a thin and light laptop that can do some light gaming

I don’t give a single shit what temperature it runs at but I do give a shit if its footprint fits in the airplane folding tray thing

I also care about it being light and thin much more than gaming

Want performance get a desktop it’s not even funny how much better it is

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RedTuesdayMusic@reddit

The problem is when they started going past the reasonable limit anyone was asking for. And we can thank Apple for that BS, always the innovator of stupidity.

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xXxRoligeLonexXx@reddit

To think Apple started this trend is just crazy. I’ve had laptops for over 20 years that have all had thermal issues, way before Apple got traction in the market with prosumer products.

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RedTuesdayMusic@reddit

The Macbook Air in 2008 is when laptops started going down the shitter all across the industry. That's undeniable. There was nothing like it before it came out and we were better off.

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okoroezenwa@reddit

Idiots circlejerked so much about “Throttlebook Pros” they started to believe overheating laptops due to thinness were an Apple invention 😂

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xXxRoligeLonexXx@reddit

I’ll be fair though - I had the i9 that caused all the shit, and it was by far the worst I’ve ever experienced. So they were right about that bit. But laptop thermals has never been solved unless it was stupid big

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bb0110@reddit

The vast majority of people want their laptop to be a mobile computer, with emphasis on mobile which means the lighter and thinner the better.

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TheOne_living@reddit

you cant seem to get powerful laptops without the powerful gpu though, wouldnt we get more cpu compute without a high power gpu

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Qsand0@reddit

There's much morw emphasis on lighter and smaller surface area than thinner.

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bb0110@reddit

That is because we have gotten to the point where things are pretty damn thin. It was not long ago that emphasis was on thinner.

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troglo-dyke@reddit

I did, I have a desktop if I want to do heavy lifting. I'll take a light laptop made out of plastic over a 16" monstrosity that I'll throw my back out lifting

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igby1@reddit

You’re saying Apple silicon laptops, by not running hot, are leaving perf on the table?

I’m no Apple stan but it seems fairly well established that those laptops both perform well and run cooler than x86 laptops.

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randomkidlol@reddit

theyre just as hot if you put them under sustained load. they appear to run cooler because they have better sleep states and a bunch of ASIC components for common tasks like video decode and cryptography. the moment you try to make a macbook do something that stresses the components and doesnt have an accelerator chip for, its just as hot and slow as any other laptop.

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LeotardoDeCrapio@reddit

FWIW almost every modern SoC has video acceleration IP. That's basically how all manufacturers get those huge battery run times for marketing.

Once you get a CPU-bound use case, you see macbooks drain battery as quickly as x86 laptops running CPU-bound use cases as well.

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TwoCylToilet@reddit

Not for multiple 4K/8K streams of ProRes.

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derpybacon@reddit

I’m pretty MacBook Airs thermally limit themselves to avoid burning the user, and Pros will turn on fans if necessary. Apple silicon was dramatically more efficient than what AMD or Intel has a couple years ago, but they still had thermal constraints.

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igby1@reddit

Hmm. Kool-aid drinkers would have me believe they run ice cold while significantly outperforming x86 laptops.

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troglo-dyke@reddit

As far as I'm aware Apple has not discovered a way to break the laws of physics

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LeotardoDeCrapio@reddit

Yeah. I swear reading some of the comments here, to this day, some people seem to make it look as if Apple had discovered some sort of perpetual motion generation loophole or something.

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jaaval@reddit

Absolutely they are. Which is why Mac book pro with a cooler performs better than Mac book without one.

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yolo6-jan@reddit

apple doesn't perform well on continuous load tho. All the tests shows that on continuous benchmark tests apple dipped.

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comparmentaliser@reddit

My fanless 16GB M1 MBA is more than capable of getting too hot to handle, especially when running games via Whisky.

It seems to throttle under some workloads but not others.

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igby1@reddit

Interesting! I’ve not heard many Apple silicon laptop users admit that they can become very hot.

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ThankGodImBipolar@reddit

they can become very hot

The M1 can draw 30W, and 30W is 30W. I’m not familiar with any laptops that are passively cooling 30W indefinitely. The reason why the Apple Silicon Mac’s have a good reputation is because it takes a lot of work to sustain a 30W load on one - more than most MBA buyers are doing.

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LeotardoDeCrapio@reddit

There should be a law about the fact most people on the internet commenting about XYZ piece of hardware or software have never actually used or owned said XYZ.

The nonsense that gets spread has been ridiculous. To this day I still read comments using FUD from the 90s (or even 80s) against windows, linux, x86, apple, etc.

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comparmentaliser@reddit

I mean, I don’t think there’s some weird pride about admitting that it happens, it’s just that most use cases don’t really max out the performance long enough to make a noticeable difference in the same way that compiling and gaming can do.

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LeotardoDeCrapio@reddit

Almost every mobile SoC operates on the same Tj envelopes.

When it comes to power/thermal envelope a full blown M3 Max at full load will get a Mac Pro toasty and drain the battery accordingly.

Apple Silicon and the systems they power are not except from the laws of physics.

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kwirky88@reddit

Those are very expensive, very big processors.

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Mission-Zucchini8122@reddit

My MSI has only one fan now. The second one shattered into pieces since it became brittle due to heat. Don't buy MSI.

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ET3D@reddit

"We" have decided this long ago. It became clear to pretty much all companies that most people care more about performance than about power use. People are willing to make do with a noisy desktop or laptop, and CPUs and GPUs that use hundred of watts. That's why a 14900K can use 250W+ and a 4090 can use 450W+. Enough people just want the fastest, and don't care about the power.

Which is true for laptops, too. Here temperature can matter more than in desktops, but gaming laptops aren't used on anyone's lap. All people need is the WASD area to not be too hot, unless they play with controllers when it doesn't matter.

I think that this trend will continue.

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MeelyMee@reddit

We didn't, we just learned to compromise.

Never seen a laptop with a dGPU that sits at a pegged 85+, they'll all downclock to maintain a maximum temperature.

Sometimes that is futile but that's most often user error, dirty laptop clogged with dust being the most common fault. Have seen the occasional crappy EC firmware also but it's not exactly the norm, if anything they're often a little too aggressive about ramping up the fan speed.

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WangMangDonkeyChain@reddit

my new mac is ice cold all day

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Boomy_Beatle@reddit

"We"? You got a mouse in your pocket? Nobody asked for this shit.

"It's our thinnest device ever!" Okay? Why? Who fucking cares? How many people actually game solely using their lap as a surface? Put actual cooling in there for once.

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