Chicanery
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Posted by Darth_Cryptix@reddit | 4chan | View on Reddit | 112 comments
WrangelLives@reddit
Chuck was right about Jimmy. He was cruel, but he was right. He knew, intuitively, who Jimmy really was. He knew that he would make an absolute mockery of the legal profession.
gayboat87@reddit
Let's be real. If Chuck did not actively sabotage Jimmy none of this was going to happen!
Chuck created Saul Goodman! How?
Your brother got a law degree and you couldn't even make him a paralegal or clerk and start him off slow as an assistant to a big shot lawyer or become Chuck's assistant so that Chuck could have kept an eye on his work personally if he still doubted him?
Keep in mind that Chuck entrapped Jimmy, screwed him out of the retirement home legal team even though he's the one who did all the homework on that case.
Jimmy was doing just fine with Kimmy doing their own independent law practice! He was helping the elderly write out wills with no chicanery involved.
Also the antics that Jimmy pulled off like the ad did work in getting interest on his case.
oby100@reddit
Lawyers enjoy a tremendous amount of trust because it’s necessary. Lawyers can really fuck over their clients or the firm they work for if they’re not doing their due diligence.
Chuck was correct that Jimmy could not be trusted. It wasn’t that he wasn’t smart enough or hardworking enough. It’s that the moment people have their eyes off the cookie jar, Jimmy can’t help but stick his hand in.
FFS, Jimmy GOT a great job at another firm and got himself fired in purpose because he hated it. That’s Jimmy. Chuck was right, and he was an asshole
Additional-Setting87@reddit
“FFS, Jimmy GOT a great job at another firm and got himself fired in purpose because he hated it.”
Really begging the question on this one here. Why did Jimmy have to get that job?
gayboat87@reddit
Like I said Chuck could have hired him as a lawyer working directly under him with him so he can keep Jimmy on the straight and narrow if he wanted to.
By sabotaging Jimmy's career at every step it was much more unethical than Jimmy ever wanted to do!
I mean look at it from Jimmy's POV!
1) He worked in the mail room and still had time to study for the BAR and pass it!
2) He got a license and started practicing law and despite his meager earnings and lack of success he was supporting Chuck who was already getting PLENTY of money from HHM while Jimmy was sleeping in his car or a shoe closet!
3) He finally gets a big break and a big client! Let's face it he did ALOT of decent things!
-He was running a practice of writing wills for the elderly which paid decent money.
-He found and dug into the abuses of the nursing home and brought the multi million dollar law suit to HHM who didn't even let him on the team.
-He started his own practice with Kim and both he and Kim were screwed by HHM meaning Chuck not only punished Jimmy he was ALSO punishing Kim both of whom rushed to Chuck's side whenever he had a medical episode!
-At any point of the show Jimmy could have proven Chuck was clinically insane and had him committed then run HHM if he wanted to! Look at HOW mad he made Chuck look at his own trial in front of the bar!
-Chuck also made him lose his license for a FULL year!
Now you tell me how ANY of that was fair on Chuck's part screwing over Jimmy behind the scenes and making Hamlin look the villain while Hamlin was trying to do right by Jimmy the whole time and turned out to be a very decent guy!
Chuck screwed over his brother, Howard and everyone around him! How is he not the most toxic character who literally destroyed his own life with his mental illness and self righteous crap by gaslighting Jimmy for years thinking he's he good brother looking out for Jimmy when in reality every bad day Jimmy and Kimmy had was engineered maliciously by Chuck!
DovesOfWar@reddit
Chuck doesn't have a moral obligation to babysit a ticking time bomb like Jimmy. Kid was just a bad seed, should never have been granted the rank of master.
gayboat87@reddit
Did you forget how much Jimmy and everyone in chucks life had to bend over backwards to accommodate his psychotic fake allergy to electricity?
He brought him his paper, lamp oil and food! For years! While he was broke.
It's like you never saw the show.
boroboboro@reddit
Log off, Chuck
Dqueezy@reddit
Totally agree but the other guy is also right. Chuck was right, he was just also a batshit crazy asshole who did lots of shady nasty shit. He’s an asshole and hardly deserves pity, but that still doesn’t mean he’s wrong. They’re two separate things, despite the correct pieces of info you pointed out.
Purplefilth22@reddit
You can scream this from the rooftops but most people's media literacy is that of a 9 year old.
It all boils down to they just like Jimmy and don't really care about the people he screws over (including himself) because it isn't them. They don't care that its because of him Lalo is free man and Howard is murdered.
It's quite literally why the most important thing in life is how much people like you and if they are prone to quickly taking a liking to you. Skill, intelligence, reliability, and even to an extent money are of tertiary importance to genuine likability.
Physical appearance, personality, and luck are unironically king. Money is their queen.
Jah_Ith_Ber@reddit
Jimmy didn't have the choice when it came to Lalo. He even tried to back out as much as possible but Lalo wasn't having it.
Purplefilth22@reddit
Oh yes he did. The whole reason they get put together is Ignacio/Tuco and he could have simply told nacho to fuck off when he went to pick him up. Thats the whole point of the ice cream on the ground, Innocence/play time is over. Jimmy was rather happy just having his own practice representing dumb nobodies than getting involved with organized crime.
It's also the whole point of Lalo asking "Do you want to be a friend of the cartel?" He's point blank asking are you in the game or are you out? Jimmy CHOSE to be in. The blood money he smuggles to bail out Lalo is legitimately the 2nd point of no return.
The only people he didn't have a choice with was Walter/Jessie. Representing Badger was just another job until he had a gun to his head and a grave dug in front of him. He could have not gotten into Nacho's car, he could have told Lalo no.
Jah_Ith_Ber@reddit
Jimmy didn't have a choice. He tried to say no when Nacho pulled up. And the driver was the guy that Nacho ripped an earing out of. The point of that guy being the driver is to telegraph that you aren't free to walk away. Dropping the ice cream on the ground was him being pulled away from the direction he wanted by force.
Jah_Ith_Ber@reddit
Jimmy is the most trustworthy guy in this entire show. He does the morally right thing every time. Stealing from megacorps not withstanding. He only uses his powers against bad people. He perceives Howard as being a bad person which we as the audience know is not the most accurate perspective. Though Howard had been a dick on more than one occasion.
The instrument store owners tried to stiff him, so he shoved back.
He has selfish reasons as well as honest to god rational reasons for accelerating the old lady's into accepting the offer. And when it ostracized the leader he felt bad and threw himself under the bus to fix their relationship.
He picks assholes to scam and when he's not in the mood, he sees that it gets Kim wet and goes along with it because he loves her.
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Careful_Curation@reddit
Lawyers don't enjoy a tremendous amount of trust. No one "trusts" lawyers because they think lawyers are trustworthy. They are forced to rely on lawyers because because lawyers are a guild of rhetoric warlocks controls has control of the legal system that can and will fuck you arbitrarily.
NightOfTheLivingHam@reddit
and that's the point of the series. Jimmy was trying to legitimize himself and make his brother proud after fucking around. Instead chuck blocked him and tried to sabotage him, so he went back to his old ways and became what Chuck feared. He also fucked Howard over hard, who he didn't realize was actually in his corner the entire time.
The whole series was about the tragedy of Jimmy and his redemption. That he almost went too far when he reverted back to being slippin' jimmy under his new persona after people started recognizing him at his mall job. He realized his bullshit was going to hurt someone he loved again and took full responsibility, and stopped running away.
Ordo_Liberal@reddit
Howard is the biggest tragedy of the show.
Every character in BCS changes as the story progresses, they grow.
Not Howard, he doesn't change at all. He is always the happy-go-lucky new-age hippie type. What changes about it is our perception of him as an audience. He goes from villain to victim without doing anything.
By the end, I was feeling really bad for him. Jimmy and Kim destroyed his career, his marriage, his reputation. Honestly, the bullet he took was mercy.
I got angry that Kim got away with it in the end. She is not a good person.
Additional-Setting87@reddit
“By the end the bullet he took was a mercy”
Yeah try not to shed to many tears. Howard might not be the worst guy but until that point on the “worst day of his life” he still made millions. He said it himself that he was going to bounce back in his drunken takedown of jimmy and Kim and he would have too if not for Lalo
cheezy270@reddit
I don't think it was ever mentioned that his marriage problems had anything to do with Jimmy and Kim. It was just another reveal showcasing that Jimmy wasn't fighting some unreachable dude over him, but actually kicking down on a guy, who in some ways has it worse than him.
And well, the firm was still called HHM, Howard had as much say in anything as Chuck did. And even if he did not want to go against Chuck, he could've told Jimmy the truth. Sure Jimmy probably would've called him a liar, but still with everything else the pieces would've fallen into place for him much sooner.
At the end Howard was trying to shield a person who he looked up to, from the wrath of a normal person, but it turned out the guy didn't deserve protection, and the "normal person" was actually a bit of a psychopath.
Reason-and-rhyme@reddit
Howard keeping quiet about how it was really Chuck who wanted to keep Jimmy out of the firm and the profession was a selfless act to maintain the brothers' relationship. Even if Howard admired Jimmy, the two were never exactly close. So he accepted the role of the bad guy, mainly for Chuck's sake especially after he became a shut-in and needed serious help from his little brother. From a certain angle it's admirable how long he was willing to keep up that pretense, though of course it's yet another deception that leads to tragedy which is a huge theme across both series.
Josrev@reddit
she ends up confessing everything to howard's wife tho, and you can only expect what will happen after the series finale to her
Dead_HumanCollection@reddit
She did get away with it, but you can tell she is weighed down by a guilty conscience. She did not come away from BCS better for what her and Jimmy did.
HenryXAggerate@reddit
“Actively sabotage Jimmy” How is it sabotage to not give your con artist brother a job at your prestigious law firm? Chuck is under no obligation to practice nepotism. He has already gotten him out of prison and a job in the mail room.
Agreeable-Buffalo-54@reddit
He let jimmy believe that Howard was the one stopping him from getting the job. He cut jimmy out of his own case that he brought to the firm, something worth millions. I’d say that counts as sabotage.
Chuckles131@reddit
Bro Jimmy didn't get fucking Zuckerberged out with some unfairly small cut, the fact that they address it dozens of times without anyone acting like Jimmy was contractually screwed pretty clearly proves that the only problem is Chuck being really emotionally unsupportive for his brother. It's very emotionally unsupportive to his middle-aged manchild of a brother, but all Chuck is guilty of is refusing to practice nepotism.
HenryXAggerate@reddit
Yes, not denying him directly but using Howard as a proxy was immoral. Not giving Jimmy a job at HHM when he’s a con artist who had recently engineered a hit and run to pick up a client, is in league with the cartel, and will in the second season self-destruct a job on par with that HHM job, is totally reasonable and not “sabotage”. It’s an accurate appraisal of his character given when we know as an audience.
Chuckles131@reddit
No but you see he tried to prosecute Jimmy for fraudulently doctoring legal documents hours before a legal hearing, a proper brother would help cover it up.
Berlin_GBD@reddit
Jimmy was always destined to become Saul. He's an addict. Sure, Jimmy could fly straight when everything was going well, but that was never going to last forever. Maybe Chuck dies, maybe Jimmy gets a bad case, who knows? Jimmy was going to find his was back to scamming and lying to get his way, and once he dipped his toes in, he couldn't stop
gayboat87@reddit
Chuck literally destroyed his legit career! Jimmy literally never stood a chance by how dirty he was done! Hell even Kim was collectively punished for helping Jimmy to discourage people from associating with Jimmy!
Chuck deserved to burn!
Berlin_GBD@reddit
Ok but that has nothing to do with whether he was right about Jimmy or not. All it means is he handled the situation like a psycho
gayboat87@reddit
Point is Jimmy at every turn was trying to go legit and Chuck kept stressing his situation by throwing a monkey wrench everywhere at him. Had he not done that Jimmy would not have become Saul.
Berlin_GBD@reddit
That's a highly optimistic view which the Breaking Bad universe was written to punish. There are no happy endings in this story. No matter what happens, Jimmy was always going to become Saul. Whether it was Chuck or something else, there were always going to be monkey wrenches.
FunnyMoney1984@reddit
Walt started out good and then broke bad. Jimmy started out bad and tried to break good, but was never allowed to. Where Walt is a victim of society, bad luck, and his own ego, Jimmy is a victim of his own past and redemption being refused by his brother whom he loves and takes care of.
I think both shows have similar themes. What makes a good man bad? A combination of being good not paying off, and the dark part of yourself taking over when being bad pays off more than being good ever did.
Also, Jessey Pinkmen could have redeemed himself while living with his parents away from Walt. But his parents found his little brother's weed. His parents thought it was his weed and coldly kicked him out while his little brother refused to step up and help his brother by telling the truth. He didn't care he ruined his big brother's life he just wanted the weed back and for him to take the blame.
All these characters could have chosen to stay good or refused to break bad. But from an emotional standpoint, they all hit their limits.
Berlin_GBD@reddit
I think that's the point. It's a sort of play on entropy. There's this unbeatable force dragging these characters down to ruin. They may occasionally exert enough force of will to beat it temporarily and improve their situations, but it will all turn sour eventually. Their circumstances don't matter, the fact is that they were born to lose
Chuckles131@reddit
Bro S1E1 he stages a car accident to guilt trip the party in the vehicle.
Chuckles131@reddit
Damn I can’t believe Chuck deviously tricked everyone into thinking that Jimmy spent a week straight actively terrorizing the offices of Davis & Main in a bid to get fired so he could hold onto severance pay, then convinced the elderly community that he gaslighted Irene into a mental breakdown in the hopes of getting a quick buck from the Sandpiper settlement, you’ll have to link me to that scene.
I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS@reddit
Every time Jimmy tried to do the right thing, he got mocked and ridiculed by elite fucks who didn't think outside the square they put themselves in.
He tried SO HARD to join them and do the right thing. But when you can't join them... Beat them at their own game.
OMGRedditBadThink@reddit
Goddamn I need to just do a re-watch. Too fucking good!
jabels@reddit
I'm halfway through the show right now and this is basically my take. Even if Chuck barred him from partner track at HHM, if he was even marginally supportive (which you should be when your scumbag brother tries to do right) and he didn't go out of his way to entrap him and disbar him, Jimmy would have been happy to practice elder law with Kim. He backed his brother's ass into a corner and forced him to go nuclear to deal with the situation. While serving the one year suspension Jimmy gets bored with work that is frankly beneath him and starts getting into trouble again. Hiring a cat burglar to steal a fucking alpine shepherd boy figurine? You cannot convince me that that's the kind of shit he would have been getting into if he was allowed to practice law and had a normal supportive brother encouraging him for doing so.
Honestly Chuck is the most infuriating dipshit I can remember watching in any show recently.
born_2_be_a_bachelor@reddit
God forbid he make a mockery of the most hated profession
shockvandeChocodijze@reddit
And i already knew chuck was thr old brother who had to endure a lot at home whike Chuck was the favourite lil one who got spoiled a lot.
Pulse-Doppler13@reddit
What the Chuck are you talking about ?
Paradox@reddit
The one who sold his establishment to Sneed
Angry_Penguin_78@reddit
The system only works if lawyers explore every loophole or crack in it. It can never be closed if it's never used.
JJJSchmidt_etAl@reddit
Did Jimmy make a mockery? It's the job of a defense lawyer to give the best defense possible to his clients. He did that when he was a lawyer.
hectic_scone@reddit
chuck created saul goodman
Agreeable-Buffalo-54@reddit
Ehhhh, I really disagree. I think most or all of the shady things Saul did were in response to him being actively screwed over by his brother who he trusted and was basically an unpaid nurse for for years. He was being pushed into it at every step of the way.
snrup1@reddit
Agreed. He saw Jimmy pull his bullshit his entire life and eventually just had enough of it. He was obviously fucked in the head himself what with his allergy to electromagnetism or whatever, but he was never wrong in his assessment of Jimmy.
aj_thenoob2@reddit
Fuck chuck and his made up disease.
PM_Me_Nudes_or_Puns@reddit
Lawyers are universally seen as dirtbags by most people. Chuck was a stuck up cunt with a mental disorder.
SaulGoodmanAAL@reddit
Nah man fuck Chuck, he did everything he could to restrict the trade to the "right kind of people." He was a vindictive, petty, psychological mess who made everyone else's lives harder just so he could be the big man in charge. Anything for the feeling of moral high ground.
cyangradient@reddit
His prophecy was self fulfilling, it’s entirely possible that Jimmy ended up that way because Chuck never supported or believed in him, and purposely sabotaged him multiple times.
mooimafish33@reddit
Real answer? Because Jimmy didn't put in the same dedication that Chuck did when he was younger so he felt that it was unfair that they arrive at the same place when they are older. What he refused to acknowledge out of ego is that as an adult Jimmy put a lot of effort into catching up and making up for his bad decisions, which Chuck kind of rested on his laurels.
He also resented Jimmy because his parents seemed to like him better even though he made a lot of mistakes and didn't work as hard as chuck while they were alive.
Pingushagger@reddit
This analysis only works if we assume Jimmy is actually gonna be a squeaky clean lawyer, which he wasn’t. It was nothing to do with dedication.
Navy_Pheonix@reddit
In the first episode we see Jimmy in dire straits, being completely clean, working as a public defender. The worst thing we do is see him try to get triple pay by trying all 3 kids as defendants at once.
On top of this, he's using his own money to supply himself and Chuck, while Chuck is receiving massive payouts from HHM the entire time.
He's pushed to a financial pipeline he would never have been on if Chuck had just brought him in to HHM.
So not only is Chuck partially responsible for him being in a bad financial situation to begin with, he's also lying to him about a medical condition, and leeching off of him because Jimmy legitimately believes in his condition.
Pingushagger@reddit
Did you forget the whole plot line where he employs two skateboarders to try scam Tucos grandma? I don’t see how Chuck is responsible for that.
Navy_Pheonix@reddit
This is after he realizes that HHM is actively trying to oust Chuck from his position and realizes he needs the money while HHM simultaneously takes clients from him.
He literally only turns to illicit means because of the pretty desperate situation he's in.
insanenoodleguy@reddit
We will never know. And that is Chucks fault.
zhwedyyt@reddit
he becomes so squeaky clean after this that he gets involved in the cartel
insanenoodleguy@reddit
Chucks fault.
TheTwinFangs@reddit
No.
Chuck saw through Jimmy, he was still this two-bit thug. Hell the ENTIRE character of Jimmy never changed, he just put a suit on.
Always using the shortcuts, always being a crook.
aj_thenoob2@reddit
Yes Chuck, the height of moral superiority. Chuck with his made up disease who used it to leech off people and take advantage of their help without any thanks whatsoever. Fuck Chuck.
Jah_Ith_Ber@reddit
Chuck believed that the law is sacred and whatever is the law is morally right, whatever is illegal is immoral.
That's being stuck in the second stage of Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development. First toddlers believe that anything that benefits them is morally right and anything that works against them is morally bad. Kids mature and naturally pass to stage two which is all about law and order. If something is against the rules, it's immoral. They can't comprehend the concept that maybe the rule is wrong. Later the mature some more and realize that the law is fallible and morality comes from unchanging principles which derive from what we value.
You might see right wingers absolutely fixated on "but they broke the law!" when it comes to immigration. They can't see past that fact. They can't understand that the law is made up and changes across time and space and maybe what these people are incentivized to break the law because they are leaving something terrible behind or maybe they have a hungry family to feed or whatever.
People are supposed to pass the Conventional phase (phase 2) around 13 years old. But a lot of people never get past it and you have a bunch of mental children who are 45 years old and making decisions that impact you.
Jimmy was in the third and final stage. He got pissed off when someone broke their word, or was behaving immorally. If you agreed to a deal with him via handshake, he expected you to uphold your end. That's why he strongarmed the instrument store guys. That's why he paid the film crew even though their work was ultimately not needed, that's why he came clean to reunite the old ladies club, that's why he picked assholes to scam. Like when his fat friend was laying in the alleyway. That scam doesn't work if the mark is a good person.
Lobster_Zaddy@reddit
Gigachad comment
Cuntilever@reddit
People forgot about the ending of his series where they got a flashback of him asking people about the time machine thing. If they would change anything about their life while they're currently in a very tight spot. Jimmy never wanted to change anything, he craves the adventure of being in a chaotic world and tricking people.
Business_Trick9394@reddit
T. Chuck
PM_Me_Nudes_or_Puns@reddit
Chuck was delusional about his profession. Most lawyers are like Jimmy.
Speculosity@reddit
And you have to stop him! You-
Ordo_Liberal@reddit
But they weren't at the same place
Chuck was a multi millionaire President of a major law firm.
Jimmy was the type of lawyer that camps outside a jail house to fish for customers
ShadowFluffy@reddit
The same place as in someone appointed to uphold and respect the law, which Jimmy didn't hold the same values towards.
beclops@reddit
All Chuck had was being a lawyer. Jimmy was more liked by pretty much everyone and had more fun. Chuck had HHM. That’s it. So when Jimmy decided to go into the exact field that made Chuck feel superior it threatened him. While he was right about who Jimmy could be, he was mainly acting on insecurity over anything. It’s why his illness only ever seems to manifest in times where Jimmy is successful and is also why it seems to disappear entirely when he seems a chance to destroy Jimmy’s career
Global_Werewolf6439@reddit
He was mental
flyinchipmunk5@reddit
What show is this?
captsalad@reddit
i hated the lawyer/brother scenes. shit was boring af. only mike and lalo clutched out the series.
Business_Trick9394@reddit
Absolutely filtered.
Chuck and Jimmy's dynamic is probably the most interesting and complex relationship between 2 characters ever portrayed on screen.
captsalad@reddit
nahh it was just a drawn out back story. just because it went on for so long doesnt make it "interesting and complex".
Converzati@reddit
Literally the opposite of this moronic take. The cartel shit almost ruined the show. Mikes stuff was good, but Jimmy/Kim/Chuck/Howard were the core and easily the best parts.
Heisenburgo@reddit
Lalo got a bit too over the top after a certain point but he was still /ourguy/ all throughout just like Howard >!Actually I started finding Kim and Saul insufferable for all the shit they put my boy Howard through and just wished the show to be over after a certain point!<
Mike's old operator schtick got boring after a while plus he looked like he was 100 years old so his scenes got more implausible as the show went on.
Gus... eh. He was there I guess, I didn't mind it but I wished his past had been better explored. Plus Giancarlo just can't speak spanish so any scenes with him speaking it were just painful to listen to as a native speaker, like they were Br Ba.
Nacho's "I'm conflicted about this life of crime but I can't quit it" routine and his constant sad look were meh, his dad was based though
All the cartel stuff in this show was annoying I wanted to watch Jimmy do lawyer shit and the drama with his brother and Howard, not endless scenes of Senile Mike staking out a truck in the desert while Lalo grins inside his car the background as he thinks about what he's gonna do next to Gus who's constantly getting his balls visited by Hector and Sad Boy Mac Gargan who hates everything and everyone
Sniper_231996@reddit
It's all good man, saul goodman
SudhaTheHill@reddit
Just wear a necklace made out of batteries to keep him away
FHFH913@reddit
This sounds like a unique item you get in late game
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Schozinator@reddit
not one comment mentions what show or movie this is huh
verwarde_jongere@reddit
The Lawnmower Man
Soldeusss@reddit
He's moving goal posts. Jimmy always has to be beneath him no matter what.
jjcoola@reddit
the point of the show is they are both flawed I think
CaveExplorer@reddit
Do you have an English degree?
andrewgynous@reddit
Ok buddy
iDarCo@reddit
"jimmy could not be trusted coz after chuck fucked him over any time he tried to do things the right way, he eventually did them the wrong way"
^ All the chuckpilled commenters here
skunkbrains@reddit
His fundamental issue with Jimmy is that he can't imagine a world where Jimmy is better at literally anything. Chuck can barely tolerate people finding him funny and charming as it was, he was always going to sabotage Jimmy the second it didn't look like he was going to work a shit job for the rest of his life.
Chuck's "ideal" life for Jimmy would have been one where he (Chuck) croaked after a long and "happy" life, and his oh-so generous will would have provided a little bonus to Slipping Jimmy to occasionally treat himself while he worked a dead-end job until the day he died.
I will fucking die on the hill that Chuck would have always ruined the relationship between him and Jimmy no matter what have happened.
GorionLives@reddit
Chuck was jealous of how Jimmy was personable, charismatic and funny. He was happy to have Jimmy stay in his lane as a likeable underling, stuck in the post room where he belongs. When Jimmy became a lawyer he was encroaching on the one thing he had, his profession and he couldn’t allow that to happen.
For all of Jimmys failures he made an earnest attempt to turn his life around and take care of his brother and was promptly stabbed in the back, sabotaged and despised by the man he thought he could trust. Chuck was just as underhanded in his many schemes in life but he had the veneer of a respectable reputation.
The sad thing is Chuck hates Jimmy because he is very much like him and envies the way he isn’t like him.
zuppa_de_tortellini@reddit
Exactly this. Chuck was pissed off because he knew secretly deep down that his mind was indeed eroding and in his old age he had no wife or kids but just some shitty law firm as his legacy while Jimmy was a happy go lucky guy who everyone loved and befriended.
Wll25@reddit
Jimmy is a sex offender
HenryXAggerate@reddit
Chuck was an elitist lawyer who had an irrational disgust for online schooling. Also didn’t respect how many tries it took Jimmy to pass the Bar. He also made the mistake of underestimating Jimmy’s depravity. Even he couldn’t see that Jimmy would be willing to engineer hit and run schemes to get a client like the Kettleman’s, and then as a result get roped into becoming a cartel associate. He was also duplicitious by making Howard be the fall guy rather than denying Jimmy directly. Otherwise Chuck is basically correct and a tragic hero in the story.
UnforestedYellowtail@reddit
Being racist towards low income Mexicans for no reason did NOT help his case against Jimmy 😐
FHFH913@reddit
That's subjective :D
UnforestedYellowtail@reddit
I stand corrected.
NecroCock@reddit
Chuck was jealous his mom asked: “where’s Jimmy,” before dying. He was jealous of Jimmy’s charisma, even attempting Jimmy’s style of humor to his wife, and came off as cringe. But tried to disguise his jealousy as love for the law.
horiami@reddit
Chuck was an asshole who blocked jimmy constantly so that he could fulfill his own expectations of him and be right
IlIllIlIllIlIl@reddit
Because he was crazy.
Berlin_GBD@reddit
The genius in Chuck's character is that he was crazy, totally right, and totally wrong all at the same time. He might be one of the best characters ever written
IlIllIlIllIlIl@reddit
Vravo Bince
BidenAndElmo@reddit
Sneed McGill
Nutaholic@reddit
They're both flawed characters. Chuck is prideful and spiteful, so he sees Jimmy's meteoric rise despite all his mistakes in life and slacking as unfair when he sacrificed so much to get where he is. He also sees the kind of selfish and sociopathic tendencies Jimmy has bubbling under the surface. Ultimately they're two extreme narcissists who just need to have their way, and they let their obsessions take them down in flames.
Hydgro@reddit
How the fuck did this have negative one comments just now?
AwJeezeMan@reddit
Russian bot mod accounts.
dicerollingprogram@reddit
I mean based on his self induced illness quite a bit
ianlasco@reddit
Got outsmarted by a guy who graduated from university of american samoa.
BLOODY-DIARRHEA-CHUG@reddit
Its because saul good man didn't go to Jorgetown