ULPT - if you're thinking about divorce
Posted by MediumFuckinqValue@reddit | UnethicalLifeProTips | View on Reddit | 703 comments
I've been divorced several times, consider me an expert.
If you're considering divorce, request for a work transfer or find a job in a non-alimony state. This is advantageous in obvious ways, but one way it can benefit is if you bring your children with you and the spouse stays behind "to handle the house sale" or to "tie up loose ends", etc, you are establishing residence with the children. Courts typically want to keep children where they are to not disrupt their lives. In your new non-alimony state, there are better odds for you to not pay out of your ass for the proceeding decade and you might at least be awarded primary custody of your kids.
Timing is the key, and you should file first from your new non-alimony state. Texas, for example, requires one to be a resident for at least 6 months. Set the sale price of the house at above market so that it doesn't sell quickly. More Divorce Pro Tips if anyone is interested.
makingstuf@reddit
It's always so crazy to me that people make such horrible choices in marriage and even just seeing someone. Like how the fuck do you get that deep. Seems like people just don't make good decisions lmfao
CircadianRadian@reddit
You know your ULPT is good when you get hate in the comments.
syzamix@reddit
Hate is mote for the person rather than the ULPT.
Look at his edit. Calls anyone disagreeing as bitches. Claims multiple wives were assholes and abusive to kids.
When everyone around you is an asshole, it's likely that you are the real asshole.
DifficultEvent2026@reddit
Exactly. When I read the "bitches" comment that told me alone who the problem probably is. Dude sounds like a sociopath.
mustluvkitties@reddit
When things all around you keep getting fucked up, the things all around you are not the problem.
I mean, I can tell just from this post what the problem is-(total shocker hes been thru several divorces) - but if I say it, the OP will call me a bitch.
Consensus0x@reddit
Cat lady maybe?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
The ex we've been discussing was also on her 3rd marriage. It really is a case of you judged without considering more facts. But this is ULPT, and putting my life story out wasn't the purpose.
EMU_Emus@reddit
Don't kid yourself, you are very obviously doing this for the attention on your story, it's never been more obvious to me lol
mustluvkitties@reddit
You: Blablabla, don't judge me even though I tossed it out there for you all to judge.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Two ex-wives are friends actually. We text regularly and I'm friends with their significant others.
I'll double down, however, and say alimony is theft. Just take your half at the divorce, get your fair share of child support, and be done with the other person. Alimony is like telling someone "I don't need you, but I still want your money" No, bitch, get a job
Consensus0x@reddit
The amount of botches in the comments is the most amusing part of all of this. Hat tip, my guy.
themcjizzler@reddit
What if your spouse was a stay at home mom and the kids were below school age? You want your kids being dumped into daycare? I fully support alimony when there are kids below 5. Plus daycare is crazy expensive, id rather pay alimony than half a daycare bill
Rude_Campaign8570@reddit
It can be more complicated though. There’s people that don’t want their spouse to have meaningful employment/retirement during the marriage because they are taking care of the house/kids. After 20 years of sacrificing during marriage they’d then be screwed.
Fexcad@reddit
Alimony is for a lower earning spouse who didn’t take education or career opportunities in order to focus on their family. Sounds like you keep getting divorced for a reason lol
Acceptable_Ad1685@reddit
I think it had a place before
But nobody made you be a stay at home mom or take less of a career today
I was a stay at home dad for a while but I still got a good job eventually
Fexcad@reddit
Nice anecdote
Doesbt change the fact that the gov doesn’t want to have to provide welfare for middle age trad wives with no job skills after their husbands trade in for a younger model
Acceptable_Ad1685@reddit
I mean alimony is gone in several states and rare in others
Curtis_Low@reddit
Not sure what states you are referring to but that certainly is not the case in Tennessee of all places.
Acceptable_Ad1685@reddit
Idk I’m in NC and I’m going through my second divorce where my ex was cheating on me in both cases I didn’t have to pay alimony, my lawyer said it’s pretty rare for judges to award alimony on top of child support these days
Curtis_Low@reddit
I was married 19 years, and was looking at paying roughly $150K in alimony over 7 years. She worked, has a degree (now Masters degree) and it didn't matter. I traded equity in the martial home that she kept and agreed to pay 6 months of alimony. Nov 1st will be my last payment and I am ohh so ready for that.
Curtis_Low@reddit
That might have been the intention or how some use it today but that certainly isn't always the case. I am a high school dropout who worked my way into a pretty solid career and I am paying alimony to my ex who has a masters and makes 80K a year. We were married for 19 years and I was looking an the house to so I only had to pay 6 months alimony. Two more payments and I am done. The alimony was on top of the child support I pay for our two teenage children. I don't have much of an issue with the child support but damn it is crazy I pay what equals $200 a week for each of my kids to sleep at her house half the time.
skankhunttttt@reddit
you could be next man dont judge
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
lol. In California, alimony is for women who would get less than $60k/month. $6k/month is considered unconscionable.
Visual_Fig9663@reddit
I've never seen someone refer to the females in their life as bitches over and over again. You're a real toxic prick.
Alternative_Chart121@reddit
You need to start marrying wealthier people, my friend. That's the way to come out ahead, stop messing with these broke girls.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I'll leave the marrying for others 😄 I've seen the advice and I'm taking it to heart.
ChemTrades@reddit
Fuckin’ A! Party at this guy’s house!
MtnMaiden@reddit
Frree honkers and bloe
dopesick23@reddit
Im buying the first rounds!!
Casswigirl11@reddit
That's not even close to true.
ThomasAltuve@reddit
Agreed. I’ve never met a man that wanted to have a stay at home wife, only wives that decided they wouldn’t work after they baby-trapped a guy. 10 years later, she decides to fuck around, now she gets to walk away with alimony and child support. Fuck that.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Bro, your pain is felt.
jane_says23@reddit
Double down on having a husband who is too lazy to work and claims alimony because “they need the support” - the pain is real.
WittyPresence69@reddit
Really telling which comments you reply to.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Your pain is felt, too
Suspicious-turnip-77@reddit
Yeah, OP is definitely the type of person who should have never been married of had kids.
I feel for his kids in this, if they are even real and he isn’t just some bitter incel.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
50% of these motherfuckers will look back in 5 years and think "that dude had a point"
Casswigirl11@reddit
Not going to lie. ULPT, don't get into a relationship with someone who has been divorced several times. At some point, they must be the problem.
mp3006@reddit
Great tip
RevoZ89@reddit
I learned about the common denominator in 3rd grade.
Nokrai@reddit
The real common denominator no one wants to admit:
You are the common denominator in all your problems.
vonru17@reddit
Damn … your third grade and my third grade were not the same ….
Nokrai@reddit
lol. I needed that laugh thanks man.
RevoZ89@reddit
Pride is a bitch and mental gymnastics is the most popular exercise. Unfortunately self-awareness is still back ordered due to COVID-related shipping interruptions.
cusco@reddit
Hard pill to swallow 💊
truckthunders@reddit
Denomination bias is a real problem.
errotalax@reddit
I hope this doesn’t get downvoted to hell because you are right. I’ve been married twice and divorced twice. Now it’s easy to say I was with terrible women, which is true. They were two sides of the same coin. Both narcissists, both had a shit ton of baggage, etc. But why did I end up with them? Because I had my own shit. And I didn’t put in the work to resolve that shit and heal. In fact, a healthy was so foreign to me, I had to unlearn a lot of bad habits before getting in one.
All of that is to say, even though the women I married were problematic, so was I.
Casswigirl11@reddit
That's very insightful. Also remember that you can change and work on yourself. And maybe you'll find sometime next time who helps you build yourself up to be who you want to be. If that's what you want anyway.
YourVelcroCat@reddit
Why is everyone forgetting the real LPT - don't take sensitive legal advice from random dudes online lmao. It's like when tiktok got people to commit check fraud. Ask. An actual. Lawyer. Not a stranger online who can make up all kinds of shit
MuscleManRyan@reddit
Whenever I see posts like this I wonder if there is some random redditor out there treating it like gospel. Realistically I hope not, but I could see someone start googling “non-alimony states near me” based off this post
IndyAndyJones777@reddit
This post is going to be entered into evidence in their divorce. They'll show it to their boss when they get asked why they want to transfer.
Gusdai@reddit
Yeah, this is a very dumb post.
If your divorce isn't acrimonious, make it so while there are kids involved. Pretty obvious. Also shared custody is better for the kids in this case anyway.
If your divorce is acrimonious, good luck convincing your spouse that you need to move the kids to Texas or wherever for your new job, leaving them behind to sell the house.
Even-Help-2279@reddit
Seems like this was written for an individual unilaterally intending divorce, so it theoretically would be easier to convince the future ex to handle house stuff, wrap up whatever with their own job if they had them, give them a break from the kids so they can handle it all a bit easier, so on an so forth
Doesn't make it any less fantastical but removes the hurdle of coercing an already acrimonious partner into working against their own interests
Gusdai@reddit
But then we're in my first case: if things aren't acrimonious, why would you make sure they become so? It's going to make everyone miserable, notably (and most importantly) the kids.
Even-Help-2279@reddit
I don't know why anyone would do that. I guess if you're a bit of a sociopath who values money and not feeling like you "lost" in the divorce (you yourself are seeking) over the welfare of your apparently oblivious and trusting to-a-fault spouse and yalls children.. I dunno man lol. It's definitely not a tip that I can see applying to me or anyone I know
Salt_Stonks_6@reddit
Lawyers aren't above counseling their clients to commit perjury to obtain a more favorable outcome, so why should they be trusted beyond simple: "is this legal?" questions?
RevoZ89@reddit
Devils advocate here. This is ulpt. The spirit of the sub is to get some unethical life tips from ~pros~
This isn’t r/UnethicalTipsFromYourSevenTimesDivorcedRacistUncle
OP’s own post disqualifies him from being (in the spirit of the sub) clever, conniving and especially winning the battle. His track record is zero for all.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
While that may be an oversimplification, I won't disagree. The ex I had trouble with was also married twice prior. If you're going to blame me, there are more facts to dissect.
The_Nice_Marmot@reddit
Yeah, it’s a real mystery why good women don’t want to be with you and you’re only pulling the dregs.
Odd_Feeling_7475@reddit
Thanks for keeping it real, actually. We don’t know each other so I cannot assume to know your character. I don’t see why these other people should judge you so quickly. I myself have never been married. However, I have seen both men and women destroyed by divorce. Your post is good for everyone to think about.
Reddithasmyemail@reddit
They might have a problem, but they for sure have a lot of practice with the divorcing while it might be your first time. Seems true.
raskingballs@reddit
Yeah lmao. That was my exact first thought. Who tf is dumb enough to take advice from someone who starts a post with "trust me bro, I've been divorced several times, I'm an expert".
Cryptiddi@reddit
Lmao he said he was an expert in divorce, not staying married. So don’t ask this guy if you’re trying to fix your relationship. Get the right juice for the moose you’re dealing with, but don’t mock the laxatives just cause you’re not constipated.
ProjectKushFox@reddit
lol fucking great analogy
HaggisInMyTummy@reddit
doesn't mean you can't learn something from him. he's not giving you tips on how to stay married.
tomtomclubthumb@reddit
That's not unethical.
BubblebreathDragon@reddit
Or they're a terrible judge of character
Casswigirl11@reddit
Which wouldn't be very flattering to me if they decided to date me!
BubblebreathDragon@reddit
Ha! So true
YourVelcroCat@reddit
True. It can be as simple as that they can't see red flags in people, or as bad as being the entire problem
vonru17@reddit
As they pull your post from their screen shot album.
articulatedbeaver@reddit
You forget the part where you make baseless claims of fitness of the other parent and force them to do things like physical, mental or substance use testing. Make sure to drag it out as long as possible. The point isn't about proving any of it, but to drag out the process so that your new living arrangement with the kids is viewed as the "default" situation as now the other parent will be seen as the one making demands.
Stennick@reddit
“Bitches” huh? you’re divorced? I’m shocked I tell you. Good for those women
Acceptable_Ad1685@reddit
Yeah man
This is a killer tip
themcjizzler@reddit
I moved to another city where I enrolled my kiddo in a new school district before the divorce. Even if he wanted more custody, he would be required to drive him to and from school everyday which really cut down on how much time he asked for. Always move at least cities, if you have the kids most of the time.
Acceptable_Ad1685@reddit
Yeah it hasn’t even been my intent but really as bad as I feel it’s looking brighter
I have moments where I actually feel like it’s better this way
My ex has been acting so fake with tiny little cracks of breaking, I think she figured she would just have her cake and eat it too and I’d just be a doormat
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Damn, this is truly awesome. A few years ago, I went to the store and bought some maxi pads. Protect the kids at all costs
whendonow@reddit
You did not frame it as tips for people in an abusive situation until you were called out. You may need the narcissist subreddit.
mnpc@reddit
Love is grand; divorce is a hundred grand.
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
100% will think “ how soon can I move out of Texas.”
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
You know the current trend is people moving out of California and into Texas. I'd rather Californians stay where they are, TBH, but these are symptoms of some other cancer.
Whatttttt123455@reddit
I am a native Texan, and I want Californians to stay there because the ones that are coming here are not "woke", like how conservative media portrays them. They are full on MAGA. We have enough of that trash here. We don't need more. They are keeping this great state tilted to the hard right. Texas needs better leadership instead of crony politics and these people are keeping us from getting it. Fuck Greg Abbott and throw the trash out with him.
Porkamiso@reddit
cancer is thinking like you do. californians are americans just like people from texas.
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
Sorry bro. I’ve got mountains I can ski here and my bbq is pretty fucking good.
Texas just seems hot as fuck and I’d still want to make my own bbq because I like to play with fire.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I'm originally from SoCal, I don't mind Californians as people. There's a CA population decline and a TX population increase. I was hoping to keep things the way they were ... not for politics, but because of increased traffic.
What you're dead wrong about is the BBQ. It's definitely better in Texas. Even dummies who've been divorced multiple times know this.
Indigo_irl@reddit
OP is MAGA who could have guessed
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Rule #13 of ULPT, no politics. I do want you to know, however, that I live in a blue city with a blue mayor, so there's a very good chance you're wrong.
Gmac513@reddit
I need to go back a year ago and take OP’s advice. Excellent post, Divorce is war
Sbear80@reddit
%50, Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers in this racket!!
boston101@reddit
Post saved and screenshotted. Thank you brother
AnnieNonymous@reddit
Does….does your spouse know your reddit account?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
his wife is currently with her boyfriend rn. He's safe
unHolyKnightofBihar@reddit
No. She's not with me
boston101@reddit
Came back to some savages in the comments hahaha. Good thing I’m single and smart. Future use baby
CMDR_PEARJUICE@reddit
You sound like you’ve got your shit in order. Following.
boston101@reddit
Single and smart baby.
soothsayer3@reddit
Comment saved and screenshotted. Thank you brother
FirebirdWriter@reddit
It's very good advice. Though I also had to divorce. No kids thankfully. My uterus was a "hostile environment" and kept me safe by trying to murder me. People who haven't been there are absolutely still in the honeymoon stage where all you need is love. It's great when it works but it's not guaranteed
castafobe@reddit
Plenty of us know how to pick decent partners. Clearly you keep failing.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
There is no argument from me here
matthew6_5@reddit
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Giraff3sAreFake@reddit
Yeah fr. Alimony is complete and utter horseshit In like 90% of cases
huge_dick_mcgee@reddit
Unethical, yes.
Pro tip? Yes.
I think you’re good to go.
nursingninjaLB@reddit
You sound perfect to be my next ex-husband 😆
naturalselectionmis@reddit
Can confirm
LAMGE2@reddit
I hope they end up like that so much
RetardAuditor@reddit
Haha yep. Just like when you make a post on /r/unpopular opinion that follows all of the rules but the mods still delete it.
That’s a decisive victory.
0ttr@reddit
I’ve done that. Though without explanation it‘s always hard to know the reasons. I think they delete 90% of the posts regardless.
martlet1@reddit
He’s not unethical. He’s just wrong. You file for divorce in only the state both of you live at the time of separation.
CircadianRadian@reddit
You should make a LPT about this.
Joelpat@reddit
Don’t know about you, but I came here for the ethics.
TheVishual2113@reddit
Why would they not be? He might make some of these about to be divorced women alimony-less lol
Fun_Ky_6969@reddit
We all know where the hate is coming from
Casswigirl11@reddit
Yes, OP. People get divorced multiple times for a reason. Common denominator?
sluttycokezero@reddit
He also saying garbage about Californians ruining Texas. I’m guessing he is a Trumper and doesn’t respect women. Even this LPT is horrendous. Why marry someone and think so little of them?
GambitTheBest@reddit
Oh no he's a Trumper, anyways
Libertarian4lifebro@reddit
To be fair, as a Californian, we are ruining several states as it has gotten so expensive to live there and we drive like shit and bring our politics with us which are usually unwelcome even among left minded natives. Driving in another state with a CA license plate is always an adventure.
Mainly though the problem becomes one of assimilation into a state or county’s culture and traditions. Luckily I moved to Vegas which doesn’t really have a big local culture because all us transplants keep overwhelming the locals. Though there are little quirks that you learn about and adapt to with enough time.
randomly-what@reddit
I love that spouses will use this to convince their spouse find a job in an alimony paying state and do the reverse of this…just because of this tip.
CircadianRadian@reddit
Always a possibility in this day and age.
Juuicee1@reddit
Uu
10before15@reddit
Word
plumdinger@reddit
My ex followed a scorched earth policy to the letter. She had an affair, filed first, fabricated abuse allegations against me regarding herself and my child, ran me down at the mouth to friends and family, called CPS on me TWICE (both reports ruled “unfounded/retaliatory”), basically did every evil thing you can think of. Then, she lied to her own attorney and never disclosed her affair (but I had 20,000 text messages, pics and videos). I decided early on that I would only ever do the next “right” thing, and that I was going to protect our son and my own rights, but I would not act in any way to harm or diminish her, but I would be truthful.
She lost BIG TIME in mandatory mediation. I got the kid and all decision making authority, I got the (paid off) house, and SHE had to pay ME child support (no alimony in our state). Sometimes, doing the right thing works out. The key is you have to shut off your emotions for a while and just operate on logic and reason.
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
Going through a similar situation since January. About eight years ago, I got a vasectomy that left me in chronic pain. Pain got worse and for the last three years I was a stay-at-home dad after we moved to another state. She cheated on me with a coworker and had been spreading lies behind my back for about two years. Now, friends and family won't speak to me and actually helped her hide her boyfriend and move around money for her. I filed for divorce after she threatened to move my daughter away and sell our house. I had left the house to give her space, but when I tried to return, she had already moved her meth-head boyfriend in and changed the locks. After she was served, she got pissed and told everyone I was faking my pain, abusing my daughter, and refused to help the family.
At the temporary hearing in April, the judge completely took her side. Despite having our daughter 82% of the time, I was awarded $250 a month in child support. I have proof she cheated on me and abandoned us, getting off work at 1pm and staying out until 10 PM after work, going to movies, restaurants, and jacuzzi-suite hotels, while I took care of the house, our daughter, and six pets. It turns out she signed me up for unemployment four years ago and pocketed $7,000 from it. She also told mutual friends that after I got the vasectomy (for her, by the way), she started falling out of love with me because I couldn’t work as much due to my pain, at the time she was a stay at home mom.
The trial is eight months away, and she's pregnant, due in December, so I’m going to be a dad again? Lol. Last December, she was planning to elope with this guy, buying him Christmas gifts and getting sleds and winter clothes for his three kids, all while our daughter was going without. She's completely prioritized his kids over our daughter. She's also turning my daughter against me. It's been an amazing year lol.
dopleburger@reddit
What early on red flags did you notice and in hindsight wish you paid attention to? Was she always like this to others?
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
Not taking responsibility for her actions, ever. She would blame things on friends, saying that if they hadn't done so and so then she wouldn't have reacted the way she did. They would apologize and cower to her. I should have noped right then. I'd call her out on something and she would just cry, manipulate the situation.
Our first date she went over every bad thing that ever happened to her. Played the victim swimmingly well, I was drunk and she had me in tears. She did this with every new person she met, like, corner them and drop the drama bombs. A lot of people would just get up and leave, the smart ones. She didn't have any close friends. She would meet new people, lay out all the drama and then be done with them. So many times I'd ask her "What ever happened to so and so? I thought they were really cool." And she'd reply that she just didn't like them anymore. After listening to everything that everybody has ever done to her and what she's now accusing me of, I dont think any of it was true, none of it.
She left a can of soda on a box of Magic the Gathering cards I had, the condensation seeped through to the cards and caused them to mold. I told her about it and she just got this glazed over look on her face like she wasn't there, didn't apologize, didn't respond. She wasn't very nice to people in customer service which embarrassed the hell out of me and I had to apologize to them.
She has this insane aversion to rejection. She got denied a job and lied to everyone about it, including me, I was surprised then but it all makes since now.
Love bombing. In the beginning there was tons of intimacy, buying me things, taking me to get furniture for my place. Doing things that made her seem like a try hard, things that were generic, almost like it was scripted. Just fake feeling. Then one day it all stopped, I thought there was something wrong with me, something that I did. The absolute funny thing about this, finding all of the evidence that I did, she's doing everything she did with me in the beginning that she's now doing how with her boyfriend, like some sick playbook. Down to the YouTube videos she showed me. Took him on vacation for 3 days, the locations they went together, all of it.
I never had someone take an interest in me so quickly. I had low self esteem and I was blind to it all. Knowing what i know now, it all makes sense. I'm slowly recovering my self worth.
Sorry if this was ranty, bad grammar, etc. I'm on a new anxiety medication and it's making me kind of fun high but not so much.
constructionhelpme@reddit
Covert narcissist
Spiritual-Matters@reddit
Thank you for writing this out! I’m in a confusing situation that feels gray to me. She’s an extremely sweet person and came at me really hard at the beginning of the relationship. Out of nowhere, she started acting withdrawn. Constantly getting upset with me and twisting interpretations when I had no bad intent.
When she’s upset, I try to comfort her and explain what I exactly meant and it wasn’t something bad. She’d still hold it for days and occasionally mention it again restart the whole argument.
Sometimes she says something that I don’t like, so I tell her I don’t appreciate it. I don’t hold it against her or react strongly about it. I’m just making it known.
I’ll give you an example: She handed me a plates, and I said, “No spoons?” in a joking manner. She was mad at me for 4 days and I eventually got her to tell me why: she said I made her feel dumb.
A week later, she has me try do her French Duolingo. I haven’t studied French in a very long time. She laughs at me for not remembering the words and says multiple times, “How can you not remember?” And that she doesn’t believe I did well in school. I have a very lax sense of humor and can tell what tone jokes have, which was not the case here. She also criticized me about other things. I tell her that’s offensive and multiple times worse than, “No spoons?”
She then accuses me of trying to sabotage the relationship by being displeased. I hated the choice of words she had: “sabotage.” I tell her sorry and reframe a convo when she’s upset, but if I have feelings it’s sabotage?
She always frames things as being done to her and not because of her. I’m starting to not believe the thing she said about her ex.
I broke up with her, but then she told me the nicest things I’d ever heard with so much emotion. How much she cares about me and how surprised she is. I can see that she really does look at me with such sincerity.
We’re not back together yet, but I told her I’d like to try again. We’ve met up platonically multiple times, but she has yet to ask why I broke up with her because it wasn’t just due to this one incident. We’ve had many.
I don’t know what I’m doing. I’ve never felt so loved but also so frustrated with unnecessary BS.
averaglynotaverage@reddit
Narcissists are really good at turning on the charm and love bombing early. Not a specific time, but it will make you question yourself the first time they drop mask/flip. Take each situation as it occurs and while considering context, don't give them too much credit for past actions. It will trend downward and they often are in a rush to establish something with you (kid, house, etc). Watch how they deal with conflict and if they take _any_ accountability when trying to resolve. Then if they actually take any action. Another huge tell is friend groups (length of deep friendship and the quality of their friends). If they have ongoing conflict with specific people at work _all the time_ is a big red flag. They will also confess things really early which can give the impression they are trying to heal and improve themselves, but is actually a future cop out for when they act like shit again. When it stops feeling like they're on your team, and feels like they're being competitive to your collaborative approaches then take a good look at what kind of person you are with. If you go along for the ride long enough go through their phone and chat (be reasonable in the context you are breaching privacy) and if you see that your talked about and considered a means to an ends or not seen as a person that should help clear up the entire situation.
Also worth mentioning narcissistic traits can come along with BPD and other cluster B disorders. Don't be surprised if you find out who they are, before they discard you, they will try and turn it on you and act out in attempt to make you react badly (reactive abuse) and they will absolutely talk all kinds of shit about you. That along with finding out about lies from the onset will leave you questioning if you ever knew them at all, and you will have to wrap your head around the fact you probably never did. There are also covert narcissists who instead of grandiosity are perpetual victims and never own any part of the situation that they paint themselves in.
Hope you never need to find out why I now know all this shit about terrible people.
ProjectKushFox@reddit
He says she’s a narcissist which lines up perfectly with this behavior honestly, I believe him there 100%. So, don’t date a narcissist or anyone with those tendencies.
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
I mentioned in a previous comment that she was going off of a playbook of sorts, and after having talked with people who've had experience with narcissists it seemed like they all go off the same sort of script.
I recommend to anyone, just look up narcissists and covert narcissists on YouTube. There's a plethora of information, it's fascinating and disgusting.
ProjectKushFox@reddit
Yeah, it is fascinating because like, where the fuck do they learn this script? Who taught them all to be a disgusting human person in the same exact way, with the same predictable moves nearly every time?
It’s not like, “well my mother was a narcissist and showed me the ropes, just like her mother before her, and her mother before her”
cannibalqueef@reddit
More importantly, where do you see yourself with this whore 6 months from now??
putintrumpdie@reddit
Dude, I had pain for 3 years after getting a vasectomy. Doctors were useless. By chance, I took a double dose of antibiotics and it cleared up a deep infection in my testicles. No pain since.
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
That's amazing. I have another appointment in about 2 weeks to go over some things. I'd like to mention that to my urologist. I do some physical therapy where I've strengthened the muscles around the perineum, which is so far just sitting on a tennis ball in different spots and some stretches. I have noticed that when I accidentally get hit down there it seems to take more to do anything since I've been doing it.
putintrumpdie@reddit
I did the physical therapy stuff too. Helped a little bit. There was a deep dull pain that was hard to describe. Always present. Tenderness in the groin, but that wasn't the pain point. They did 2 ultrasounds but that didn't help. The antibiotic that I double-dosed on was prescribed for kidney infection. (It wasn't a kidney infection, it was a kidney stone that I passed later on my own - the doctors here are horrible). I hope this helps!
Abject_Bodybuilder41@reddit
So, wait. Last December she was with this guy and now she's pregnant again, due in December, with... Your child? Conceived in... March of this year?
triplehelix-@reddit
if they aren't divorced yet, some states consider the husband the father regardless of reality.
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
She messaged me last month wanting to settle, told me that she was pregnant, I've known since April and already knew the implications. But she tried to use that as leverage, saying that it would just add to the complications. It complicates things for her, but I don't care, I've already lost so much that it doesn't matter to me. I'll go to court easy peasy to prove I'm not the father. This is what she wanted and I'll make sure she sees it through.
Abject_Bodybuilder41@reddit
Ahhh okay I see now. Dumb move on her part. Wishing you luck and hope things look up for you sometime soon.
propagandhi45@reddit
If thats the case here I have 2 kids that ive never seen or even heard about.
LeafsWinBeforeIDie@reddit
Sometimes sarcasm is the only way to deal. Maybe you can't relate, feel lucky.
Chi_Baby@reddit
And even tho he has a vasectomy? Lol
yourefunny@reddit
I went to the docs last week to enquire about a vasectomy... You have scared the shit out of me!!! Sorry that happened to you dude!!!
Hour_Worldliness_824@reddit
Yeah the risk of chronic pain from it makes it absolutely NOT worth getting. Even if it's a 2% chance of getting chronic pain- why risk it? That's actually the percentage chance. 1/50 men get completely fked by them. DON'T do it.
youngfilly@reddit
What alternate birth control will you be using that has less likelihood of negative side effects and chronic pain? Incidence rates of those side effects in women are above 2%
Hour_Worldliness_824@reddit
Testosterone replacement therapy assuming the guy is 40+ and can use it. I would think most 40 yr old men on reddit would quality for TRT and benefit from it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6305868/
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
I tell people this too. We decided id get it done because there was seemingly very little adverse effects compared to my wife getting a tubal ligation, where we read death as a possibility. Little did I know.
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
Thanks. My best friend's dad and a coworker of mine both got one around the same time and went back to work just a few days later. I got mine done a month after they did and thought I'd just put some frozen peas down there, take some pain meds, catch up on some some TV shows and be good.
I had a hematoma and a sperm granuloma in my scrotum. Sperm granuloma is a lump that leaks sperm. The procedure was supposed to take about 20 minutes, it lasted nearly an hour. At one point I felt, maybe the cauterization? But I felt this searing hot white pain go from my testicle up into my belly like a lightning bolt followed by a tugging sensation in my belly as well.
I have a constant dull ache since then, almost like someone is standing on my scrotum right above the testicles. The worst part is that i have these random spikes of pain that last for a few minutes, they take my breath away and all I can do is just clutch onto anything nearby and wait for it to go away. It's exhausting and it's like a random ticking time bomb.
Weird thing, I'll get hit on the right side of my scrotum, accidental dog paw, cat jumping on me, or my favorite is when I went to brushed bread crumbs off of my pants after eating a sandwich and hit myself. I'm not sure what it hits, but it completely puts me out of commission. And then the pain travels to the left side where it swells up and elongates like a backwards banana. That bread crumb incident had me in bed for a week.
yourefunny@reddit
Well fuck me sideways!!! That's sounds horrendous. Nothing they can do about it!? So sorry for your pain man!!!
Few-Ebb-6113@reddit
How did you get injured in the vasectomy, is that rare ?
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
I think my urologist said that it was a .5% - 2% chance of what happened to me. I had a pretty good sized hematoma and then a sperm granuloma. There was mention of hydroceles too. It got really crowded in there and pressed against the varicocele I had and made that a lot worse. But yeah, pretty rare.
Plenty-Wonder6092@reddit
Someone did that to me, I'd turn everything into cash and go live in the hills... forever.
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
That's exactly how I feel
I want nothing to do with anyone anymore. I've closed my social media accounts, I'm constantly paranoid, I keep a voice recorder on in my pocket when I go to stores just in case I run into her family or friends. I don't know who I can trust anymore so I make myself talk with Chatgpt before reaching out to anyone that I have left.
I've sold nearly everything I have for a little bit of nothing and I deeply regret it. I'm planning on getting a camper or mobile home, paying it off quickly and just living in seclusion.
I maybe have 20 good years left in me and I'm not going to waste my time on anyone else but my daughter and cat.
scienceislice@reddit
Who is the father of her baby? Surely not you, who had a vasectomy.
randy88moss@reddit
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic about it being his baby
dontworryitsme4real@reddit
Considering they are still legally married, she could add his name to the birth certificate and then he would have to fight to have it removed.
mygeekeryaccount@reddit
100% correct. I'll be considered the father. As soon as the baby is born my attorney and I will be on it.
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
Which state were you in?
plumdinger@reddit
Georgia. Very conservative county with judges (and juries) that looked down on infidelity.
Dont_Touch_Me_There9@reddit
Judges in Georgia look down on infidelity...look up to infidels.
ivigilanteblog@reddit
This is typical. There are bad examples to the contrary, of course, but most of the time when people try to manipulate the system with false reports, delay tactics, relocating without agreement or court order, or try to hid assets, the person who does that accomplishes one thing: making the attorneys more money to clean up a bigger mess.
Don't game the system, folks. It's one reason why I quit practicing family law. Everybody takes bad internet advice instead of legal advice.
1968Bladerunner@reddit
Agreed to those last 2 sentences!
I countered all of my ex's negative jibes at me as she tried, in vain, to get full custody of our two, despite 18-months of successful 50/50 week about shared care already under the bridge, & the kids being happy & settled in their new normal.
Not once did I clap back with any of the really shitty stuff she'd done in the interim - simply took the sting out of her accusations by showing proof, offering friend / family (hers no less) testimonies / statements to the contrary, & even had her neighbours on board willing to verify in writing that she had a track record herself of the things she was accusing me of... projection much!
Her new b/f made my life easier by banning us from speaking with each other - text or email only - so I had a documented trail of lies, half truths, & rebuttals rather than relying on he said / she said dialogue.
In the end it dragged our probable 2-year divorce out to 5 years. The real winners were the solicitors but, in a twist of her own financial misunderstanding, she also ended up getting a lot less of a payout than she'd expected.
I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall when she realised she had screwed the pooch, delayed her settlement & actually reduced it by fighting unnecessarily, and had no grip or control over my life any more.
I celebrated by taking the kids on holiday abroad using some of the extra money I expected to have to pay her.
plumdinger@reddit
In my initial meeting with my lawyer, he gave me the best advice of our entire relationship. He said, “From now on, assume that everything your ex will say to you will be a lie. Do not engage, speak as little as needed and even then, ONLY about matters directly relating to your son. Email or text is better than phone or in person as we have an audit trail.” He was 100% right on all of this.
1968Bladerunner@reddit
Absolutely! She knew a major weakness of mine was my crappy memory, so during our relationship & marriage had used that to good effect by saying I'd said stuff I was sure I hadn't, or that she swore blind she'd told me.
It's tough to tell your wife "We need to do our communication by text or email so there's proof" while you're together lol, so having our hands forced into it by a controlling / jealous new boyfriend was a gift - as much as I thought it was overkill at the time.
Funny thing was she went on to marry the bozo, who continued to control her, alienate both our kids 'cos he pushed & they refused to call him step-dad, & she has ended up cheating on him too... tho' I believe he's yet to find out!
evolutionsknife@reddit
If you don’t mind me asking—what state doesn’t have alimony?
plumdinger@reddit
Georgia has alimony, but if there’s infidelity that can be proven, the cheater gets nothing. Only child support, and only if they’re custodial.
MetalstepTNG@reddit
Bro, like were you aware the person you were marrying could do that to you? Wasn't there any red flags?
plumdinger@reddit
Sadly, we fell in love hard and fast and rushed into marriage. My mistake. I really didn’t take the time required to get to know her very well before I married her. I wish I had.
molesMOLESEVERYWHERE@reddit
Big difference is she did the wrong thing(s) the wrong way and you caught some breaks she got found out.
tyurytier84@reddit
Lucky
Horror_Cow_7870@reddit
Unethical is one thing. Screwing over your kids is a whole 'nother thing.
BTW- I read some things every now and again that make me seriously wish I were religious so I could believe there is a special little corner of hell for people just for like you, OP. Can you tell this is one of those things?
Neat-Journalist-4261@reddit
No it isn’t.
Screwing your kids over is unethical. Unless you think it’s ethical, then you must agree.
You might think he’s a cunt, but this absolutely is an unethical tip. It’s a legal way to avoid alimony as long as you’re willing to be a fucking knobgoblin.
His post absolutely fits the sub.
Horror_Cow_7870@reddit
I will disagree with that. There's unethical, then there are actions that seem to deny the existence of ethics and morality. This is the latter, a category of actions that would need to be more ethical in nature to even qualify as being merely unethical- a category of just plain wrong.
Neat-Journalist-4261@reddit
Buddy, what are you talking about? Unethical and “just plain wrong” are the same thing. By definition.
There is no distinction. Murder is almost always unethical. Rape is unethical. These things are also just plain wrong.
Bubbert73@reddit
There's more than one side to every story. He is stating clearly that his kids are in an abusive situation with her. I lived in a similar situation, only I was the step-parent. I had no legal leg to stand on and therefore, had to stay in a wildly abusive relationship, to make sure the kids were safe. And it was worth it, but at great cost to me. She abandoned them in their teens when it finally did get too bad and I had to file, plus the kids were old enough to both see her bullshit and be vocal about with whom they wanted to live. I kept the kids and gave them a loving and supportive home to finish school, and go to college or the military. They're all doing great, and the demons that haunted their mother did kill her 5 years later. Mental illness exists and is awful. Wish you could've considered that before passing judgement.
You're right, though. There should be a special little corner of hell for people. Maybe you want to ease up on the judgement based solely on sex to decide who the bad people are. Because in my purview of that special place, all bigots should go there.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
this hit the nail on the head. While I didn't have to do what I had suggested in the original post and move states, the scenario was I didn't have children with the ex-spouse, but I did have to stay to protect the step-kids. When the verbal abuse had slowly trickled to my own kids, however, divorce was the only answer to protect them.
It's fine, people can judge. Hopefully they never have to experience mental games and manipulation and continue on with their judgy selves.
EverythingChanges6@reddit
Having to move is difficult for kids, but so is the whole divorce process. Dad's are getting super screwed by the system right now, which is also screwing over the kids.
Adorable-Original-94@reddit
Maybe in a degenerate but how is this unethical like I could see you planting false evidence of her cheating or something like that but this just seems like a no brainer tbh
Adorable-Original-94@reddit
Maybe it’s cause I’m a child of divorce idk
Applehurst14@reddit
Planting false evidence is worse.
Legndarystig@reddit
This some good shit. When you trigger the crowed that would benefit most IE alimony you know your points are good.
birdbonefpv@reddit
You’ve been divorced several times - so far..
ElectricRing@reddit
Wish I had known about this, I’m getting g reamed by alimony that is so undeserved.
das745@reddit
there are no States that are 100% alimony free.
bookjunkie315@reddit
JLo out here taking notes.
Plenty_Amphibian5120@reddit
Manipulating the system to screw your ex and your children, then promoting it to others. Sir, go straight to hell. Do not pas go, do not collect $200. Fuck right off immediately.
Forsaken_Damage_5605@reddit
you're mad, bro? :D
Plenty_Amphibian5120@reddit
Nah, this just isn’t it. Doing irreparable harm to children. Scum of the earth type shit.
Give me better ULPT, not how to traumatize my children
jefe008@reddit
Not divorced but here is a free tip- don’t file in CA if you’re the male and you work… you’ll be living with a roommate or in a studio apartment for decades paying 60%+ of your salary to alimony and child support
running_in_spite@reddit
Maryland too... I have the kids half of the time and I still pay almost 60% of my paycheck to child support and alimony.
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
CA made me pay for my narcissistic ex’s lawyer. You haven’t been fucked until you pay a lawyer $700/hour to perjur herself against you in court.
BigLaw-Masochist@reddit
Only witnesses can commit perjury.
jefe008@reddit
Ummm that’s just not true. Defendants can, petitioners can, respondents can.
BigLaw-Masochist@reddit
Yes, when they are witnesses. It doesn’t count as perjury unless you say it under oath, it’s just a lie otherwise. Look at my username
jefe008@reddit
The key is to be under oath… anyone under oath can commit perjury. It’s not reserved just for defendants.
BigLaw-Masochist@reddit
I didn’t say defendants, I said “witnesses.” Lawyers speak in court but are not witnesses and do not testify under oath, and so cannot commit perjury.
Siphyre@reddit
Lawyers can be hit with perjury if they knowingly submit purjured testimony. There are a few other ways too. You just don't really hear about it because there is almost no reason at all for a lawyer to do these things for a random client.
BigLaw-Masochist@reddit
No, that’s an ethical violation you can get in trouble for, but it’s not perjury. Perjury has to be knowingly false testimony from a sworn witness. Again, I am an actual practicing lawyer.
Siphyre@reddit
So because you claim to be a lawyer, I should take your word on it? And would your word even be accurate in all 50 states of the USA? What about other countries?
For someone claiming to be a lawyer, you are being pretty absolutist about the law when you should damn well know "it depends".
BigLaw-Masochist@reddit
Check my comment history if you don’t believe me. If I’m a liar I’m a consistent one.
I will never understand what sort of malignant narcissism compels people like you to spout off like an authority when you should know full well you don’t know what you’re talking about. You appear to be a sysadmin. Come on. Do you want to learn something or to argue about this when I know you’re wrong and you know you don’t know what you’re talking about?
Yes, every state. I’d guess but don’t know for sure it’s also every country using common law. Sometimes the law has commonalities. It’s safe to say a murder charge requires someone to die everywhere.
Siphyre@reddit
suborning perjury
BigLaw-Masochist@reddit
Another attorney chimes in.
BigLaw-Masochist@reddit
Yup, that’s the crime of convincing someone to commit perjury. It’s not affirmatively committing perjury. You can’t commit perjury unless you’re under oath.
If I solicit a prostitute did I commit the crime of prostitution?
This is so embarrassing for you and you don’t even realize.
asophisticatedbitch@reddit
Hah you’re correct and these people have no understanding of the law.
BigLaw-Masochist@reddit
He’s continuing to argue with me too. Apparently he’s a sysadmin. I know I shouldn’t be surprised by this since it happens all the time but the mind reels.
asophisticatedbitch@reddit
I’ve been a family law attorney in California for 14 years and the number of random people on Reddit who tell me I’m wrong about things in my field is astounding. 🤷♀️
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
Right?!? A good lawyer will amend every statement with “as told to me by my client” specifically to not perjur themselves. This dumb cunt (not really because she knows there is no penalty for perjury ) testified falsely. That is, she made up facts that would extend the case and earn her more fees.
Verl0r4n@reddit
I think id move to 3rd world country at that point
MyBoldestStroke@reddit
Or if you’re a woman in CA and work. Have plenty of female friends who list the house and are still paying alimony when the other person cheated /gambled away their money /quit their job and freeloaded for several years for no reason… Divorce sucks :/
DottieHinkle22@reddit
Happened to one of my coworkers. Do not live in CA. He got the house, and she had to pay alimony. He is scamming disability while working as a bookie illegally.
SorryLifeguard7@reddit
sounds like experience?
11524@reddit
Fuck me I'd probably check the fuck out right in the courtroom where this gets decided.
Just Budd Dwyer the whole place.
harbourhunter@reddit
With I coulda met you
11524@reddit
I still here.
No kids, so no worries, yet!
harbourhunter@reddit
Oh it’s a lyric from a filter song about bud Dwyer
11524@reddit
Well now I have to look this up!
If I don't find anything, I may come back to ask you, else I'll see you on the other side.
harbourhunter@reddit
Hahaha it’s a song called hey man nice shot
chikaleen@reddit
Hey man, nice shot
frozen_pipe77@reddit
Man, you really have no Filter
CordouroyStilts@reddit
Bad Brains
Fresh_Beet@reddit
Good shot, man.
jefe008@reddit
Not personal experience. But have seen plenty of people I know experience it
PTLTYJWLYSMGBYAKYIJN@reddit
Oh great. You just taught a bunch of evil men how to more easily take their children away from their good wives and screw over the women they’ve already damaged so badly.
sean_emery09@reddit
I don’t want to hear people talking about lgbtq ruining the sanctity of marriage.
tomtomclubthumb@reddit
Hating women and not putting your kids first is pretty unethical.
-I_I@reddit
He put his kids first. Misandry much?
tomtomclubthumb@reddit
He invented something in an edit to claim that. Much as he keeps changing details in the comments, when he isn't insulting women more.
Saying a man hates women when he clearly does isn't misandry, it is pointing out a fact.
-I_I@reddit
Careful, your misandry is showing
tomtomclubthumb@reddit
Wo you're just going to keep saying that? When people get bored and walk away, you haven't won. You've just shown them you aren't worth engaging with.
Try thinking. It might not make your life better, but it will make you a better person.
-I_I@reddit
You get sexually offended when someone uses the word bitch
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Crazy how some people just don't take the time to read
tomtomclubthumb@reddit
I did,
Reading is about thinking and understanding.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
There is nothing in this thread, not even by responders, where anyone talks about hating women. Absolutely put kids first, that's canon.
tomtomclubthumb@reddit
Using words like "bitch" and "cunt" (other responders) shows otherwise.
Just because you don't say "I hate women" doesn't mean that you don't and any sensible person reading this will agree. Like I said, reading is also about thinking and understanding.
You added the stuff about kids later on and it isn't that convincing.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
ULPT isn't about giving actual legal advice and qualifying it with proof, so you're joking right?
I don't call women bitches, by the way. This is where you're not understanding, but this is where I stop trying to convince a stranger on the internet.
tomtomclubthumb@reddit
I think trying to correct something I never said or implied is a pretty odd way to convince anyone of anything.
mynameisstacey@reddit
There are no non-alimony states.
Txteacherwalk@reddit
Texas
Guilty-Fill8456@reddit
I live here na aplenty of women I know have received alimony. It’s called spousal support and I’m hoping to get it in my divorce. And before you come at me, I DON’T want my divorce. He left me for someone else after 29 yrs.
Ok_Obligation5924@reddit
How exactly does alimony work? I recently escaped DV situation with our daughter. We been separated for 3 years,I have not filed for divorce to money and not fully understanding everything. 1. We have no assets. We were broke the hole time due to his drug use. And him never letting me leave the house or talk to anyone. I was his prisoner and if I tried, I'd get my ass bear. Locked un the basement ect. 2. I do have my own job and I now have my own car. It's old. It's a beater but it's something 3. I rent a place that should be condemned
TartMore9420@reddit
Easiest way to get divorced is to never have kids, and then after you're divorced just stop getting married. Trust me
cannibalqueef@reddit
No shit, stop putting parking permits on these hoes, hit it, quit it. Rinse, repeat. Fuck these hoes, all goddamn day.
TartMore9420@reddit
Are you having a stroke?
cannibalqueef@reddit
Judging by downvotes, it would appear as though you may have missed my point…
2Rhino3@reddit
What’s the point?
TheRealRomanRoy@reddit
What
cannibalqueef@reddit
Catch n release.
LeafsWinBeforeIDie@reddit
JD Vance would like a word with you. Any cats?
assburgers-unite@reddit
No thanks i just ate
Techno-Falafel@reddit
Hi, Fox News here, can I use your comment as truth, since it's on the internet?
Yeahnahyeahprobs@reddit
Sources say...
assburgers-unite@reddit
Why not
0ttr@reddit
Barbecued cat. https://tomandjerry.fandom.com/wiki/His_Mouse_Friday
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9qGtE1eqnA&t=2m16s
Salt_Stonks_6@reddit
lmao
basementhookers@reddit
Must live in Springfield, eh?
tomtomclubthumb@reddit
Ok, well do you want to sit on the couch while I make you a coffee?
Kevlar013@reddit
OK. For how long?
EvnClaire@reddit
OK good, good.
lukedaplug2204@reddit
Ah, the Haitian immigrant diet
FriendShapedRMT@reddit
Too meta.
TartMore9420@reddit
Hm not quite. Not a capitalist, nor am I alone. Just no desire to spend thousands on several divorces when marriage is pointless, nor to fuck up parenting some kids since I know it's not for me.
Low_Catch_1722@reddit
You just explained my life. Got married for one year, filed for divorce because FUCK THAT. Now getting a 10 year IUD inserted and by the time it’s due for removal I’ll be infertile. Perfect
TartMore9420@reddit
Same, got married for a year, filed for divorce after she was an utter bellend. Went on HRT, yay for infertility haha 🙌
DisappointingMother@reddit
This post fills me with gratitude that my partner and I choose to stay together unmarried.
Consensus0x@reddit
Probably a common law marriage anyway. Enjoy thinking you’re different.
superworking@reddit
Where we live having a party didn't really change much legally. In our province we'd already have the same implications if we split because of the amount of time we lived together.
DisappointingMother@reddit
Both mutual consent to be married as well as public presentation of marriage are thankfully required where my partner and I live.
superworking@reddit
Here once you've been living in what's deemed to be a "marriage like relationship" for two years (splitting bills, sharing resources etc) there's basically zero legal differences between being married and being automatically rolled over into common law - at which point the government doesn't care if you ever hold a ceremony or not.
TartMore9420@reddit
There really is barely any need for it, depending on where you live. Nowadays it just seems to me like a way to make it more difficult to break up - if you really wanna be together, you'll stay together independently of a piece of paper. It's just... I dunno, old-fashioned I guess. I wish I'd never done it, she was awful to me and all the burdens and clearing up and costs then fell on to me afterwards.
redditmodsdownvote@reddit
genius. some people want kids, not everyone is a lonely loser who hates everyone in the world including themselves... which i am SURE you're not either.... /s
TartMore9420@reddit
Ah, here we have it. One of those lonely losers who needed to have kids to have some company. You know that adults can have friends their own age, right?
TwoIdleHands@reddit
Right? “Divorced several times”? Once I get. But if you’re to several, maybe just stop getting married? Know a person a while, live together a long while.
Allgyet560@reddit
I met a guy who was divorced 6 times. He said he loved getting married but hated being married. I bet his ex's hated being married, too.
I always wondered what #6 was thinking or expecting if she knew he was already married 5 times before.
TartMore9420@reddit
I often wonder about that - why people have multiple failed marriages. Clearly it's not for you!
Kwerby@reddit
It sucks that it takes a man basically having his life ruined to learn this. This the shit no one tells you when you are getting married and it’s also not something some young guy thinks applies to him.
“We’re different. She’s not like that.” Ya not yet bud.
Apropos_of@reddit
I don’t understand why people get married.
Akschadt@reddit
You find a person who meshes with you, who you want to hang with all the time.. with similar or shared goals… why wouldn’t you want to team up and tackle life together.
Mysterii00@reddit
Reddit hates marriage in general and the idea of “communion” lol
PhilMatush@reddit
Maybe get off Reddit and go meet someone lmfao
licensedtojill@reddit
To share healthcare
Dulakk@reddit
I like marriage as a concept, but I think people get married way too quickly/easily. Like my ideal pace would probably be 1-2 years of committed, monogamous dating(without living together), then living together for 2-3 years, then at least a year long engagement.
To me that's minimum. I don't think it's possible to truly know someone enough to justify a lifetime commitment if you've with them for less than 5 years. I'd need to know the person inside and out.
liquid_acid-OG@reddit
Don't knock it 'till you try it.
I've never been to Vegas but uhh.. what you doing next weekend?
Intrepid_Monk32@reddit
My father attempted this twice with my mother, but left the three kids behind both times. Second time, he actually filed for divorce, but only after he’d gotten a mistress in the new state.
He now pays my mother’s mortgage, pays additional child support, and none of his children speak to him.
Your mileage may vary.
Redhairedrockhead@reddit
Men really need to stop slinging their sperm around and running from the consequences.
SuperChimpMan@reddit
Women need to stop accepting sperm into their orifices and stop running from the consequences
Redhairedrockhead@reddit
Lolol women are the ones who raise the kids after the men are long gone, or haven't youi noticed? It's a rare man who wants custody.
Women can have all the sex they want, and not get pregnant; it's the sperm that causes pregnancy. All a man has to do is have a teesy bit of self control and be responsible for where his sperm lands.
Desmald@reddit
It's their body, their pregnancy, and their responsibility
I can just fuck off and leave anytime during that process
Redhairedrockhead@reddit
Yep. Most men are children just like you.
Desmald@reddit
I don't see how that's our problem
Redhairedrockhead@reddit
It's not, if you are comfy that way.
sxmxndxmxn@reddit
You basically walked into that and got ratioed for your troubles. I can't imagine why you're almost 60 and alone playing animal crossing.
Redhairedrockhead@reddit
Lol married 27 years with kids and grandkids, love Animal Crossing for the decompress after 20 years in education. Have a great day!
SuperChimpMan@reddit
My experience is exactly the opposite of what you are describing. That’s why I replied. I think we can agree that a family should be a partnership.
mgysmls@reddit
I don't have an opinion on much of what you're arguing about, but your second paragraph is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
If this were true, there'd be plenty of pregnant gay dudes. 😂
Do you truly think it's just sperm that causes pregnancy and not a sperm and an egg doing their thing together? Or are you just so insufferable that you say things like this in an attempt to validate your point?
-Rare man who would want custody of my kids
Tubbafett@reddit
Slow down now, two of the orifices are largely consequence free
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
pro tip 💀
ethanjscott@reddit
I think the real tip is not to marry people with multiple divorces. You do realize you’re the problem OP?
Past-Interaction7301@reddit
ULPT - don't ever get married or have kids.
propagandhi45@reddit
Doesnt seems unethical to me
HonnyBrown@reddit
Several times, wtf
JupiterSkyFalls@reddit
How many is several? And no offense, but someone who can't stay married is really not someone I'd want to take advice from lol
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
You're not paying me for advice, take from it what you will.
Situations are topical, and if you were in the middle of a crisis, you'd probably be better off hearing from someone who's had experience. I would certainly not take parenting advice from someone who has never had kids, or fly to Australia to learn how to breakdance.
JupiterSkyFalls@reddit
No one would pay you for advice 🤣
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
You couldn't afford my advice 🤣
JupiterSkyFalls@reddit
Do you have your own business? I bet you don't 🤣 I own my house, two cars paid off and I'm debt free dear. I bet if I check your profile a very different story will be self evident....
sxmxndxmxn@reddit
If you have to flex success/money to attempt to win an argument, you already lost before that. Pathetic really.
JupiterSkyFalls@reddit
I don't but I won't be told I can't afford the advice of some rando on Reddit either 🤣
sxmxndxmxn@reddit
"I dont" after proceeding to do it. Woman logic is pretty OP.
JupiterSkyFalls@reddit
I don't as in I don't have to I didn't deny shit 🤷🏼♀️ feel how you want hunny get a good cry in.
sxmxndxmxn@reddit
Again, the lack of self awareness is insane 🤣 "I don't need to do it" Proceeds to do it.
But I am curious, what happened on Tuesday?
JupiterSkyFalls@reddit
You aren't curious, your comment history says you know exactly what happened Tuesday 🤣
sxmxndxmxn@reddit
Okay, crazy lady. Lmao
JupiterSkyFalls@reddit
Ok, sad divorced dude in Florida that can't get a date 🤷🏼♀️
JupiterSkyFalls@reddit
Lmao
sxmxndxmxn@reddit
Sad nearly 60 year old woman, alone playing animal crossing and crying online about men.
Nice try but never been divorced. Happily married for 5 years and going strong. I hope you enjoy dying alone.
Also, learn how to edit instead of laughing at your own attempt at a joke.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I work for a startup and own some affordable rental properties for low income families. 3 years after a divorce I'm in a modest house and two paid off luxury cars. I did award the $104k car to her and I kept the "cheaper" ones. I do have about $20k in debt, but I own nvidia stock which I purchased pre-split, so if you want to post up the net worth spreadsheets you go first.
JupiterSkyFalls@reddit
Just because you've got alimony payments out the whazoo doesn't mean everyone does 🤷🏼♀️
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I'm going to concede that you're probably the wealthier one. As much money as I make, I'm still living paycheck to paycheck and that's not an optimal place to be 😂
NoPiccolo5349@reddit
Why would your kids move with you and not your spouse? Generally speaking, the spouse who has the job that requires the move goes first, and then is followed by the other spouse with the kids. This is due to school years, etc.
damnoli@reddit
That plan would fail miserably when someone suggested I live in a different state than my kids.
kikiacab@reddit
You'd be living in a different state with your kids though.
NoPiccolo5349@reddit
You'd be relying on the spouse to stay in the original state without the kids.
If anything, this would happen the other way around. If you move for work, you'll move alone and bring the kids later. Otherwise you'd pull them out of school
damnoli@reddit
I read: "if you bring your children with you and spouse stays behind to handle the house sale" ..."establishing residence with your children" I was speaking as the spouse who stays behind to sell the house
time4meatstick@reddit
Read slower
damnoli@reddit
I read: "if you bring your children with you and spouse stays behind to handle the house sale" ..."establishing residence with your children" I was speaking as the spouse who stays behind to sell the house
time4meatstick@reddit
Oh. Makes sense. Sorry for the ‘tude. I tend to listen from Op perspective
damnoli@reddit
No worries!
ChaoticGoodPanda@reddit
Scumbag has kids and wants to fuck over the other person they supposedly “loved” at one point.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
You're in the wrong subreddit, m8. You're looking for r/ Divorce is Pleasant as fuck
ChaoticGoodPanda@reddit
Please squirt out more kids. I wanna hear about the next winner you pick and how that divorce goes too
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
the difference between my children and yours is mine would have better reading comprehension. I should have more kids to offset whatever you have produced.
ChaoticGoodPanda@reddit
I wasn’t stupid enough to have any and I still outrank your meatsheld Airforce son.
Did you get beat too?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
You outrank him because he's 20 🤣
ChaoticGoodPanda@reddit
So you got beat by your ex then?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Abuse doesn't always have to be beating. Abuse is unequitable control, calling the police for made up things to try to get the other arrested, constantly berating the other and the kids ... burning with a hot pan. But to answer your question, I never got physical with my ex, but I do have burn marks on my arm, scars from fork stabs, and scars of my face from broken eyeglasses.
ChaoticGoodPanda@reddit
So she did beat on you. Now it makes sense why you’re so angry and attacking people here.
TalkKatt@reddit
Dude, you started it
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I only retaliate. If people tell me to fuck off, I'll happily give it back.
ChaoticGoodPanda@reddit
Hurt people will hurt people. I get why you lash out and attacked several people here.
Hopefully you heal from what ever you went through and can someday quit dropping nukes when people throw pebbles.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Nukes are within the spirit of this sub. But I very lovingly give my ULPT for all future divorcees who are good people.
HaikuSnoiper@reddit
You should look up the term “victim blaming” and then reread your comment. 🤮 Seek help.
ChaoticGoodPanda@reddit
Nah. When you have a habit of bad relationship after bad relationship it becomes a willing choice at that point. Op had his glasses broken so he couldn’t see.
Clutch your pearls somewhere else.
pheret87@reddit
Are you literally victim blaming someone who was physically abused because they didn't notice the "red flags" first? Honey, go outside.
ChaoticGoodPanda@reddit
Calm your tits keyboard warrior. Me and OP talked it out.
Horror_Cow_7870@reddit
They want to fuck over their kids too, in case you missed it.
IntelligentRevenue39@reddit
what's missed is your reading comprehension
ChaoticGoodPanda@reddit
Oh yeah that too. OP been divorced several times so they are absolutely a piece of shit who doesn’t learn.
Maybe they have a “Divorce is war” kink and gets their rocks off on dragging the kids through their bullshit.
0ttr@reddit
Some friend told me about how his father slowly sold all kinds of their stuff and basically hid the money when he knew a divorce was coming. Pretty messy. dont know how hard it is to squirrel money away where div attorneys can’t find it.
JuryGhost@reddit
I’m not even married and I saved this post
cloudyskies41@reddit
Divorce lawyer here. This is a bad idea for many reasons, the least of which is that every single state in the country provides alimony to the out spouse as a matter of law. Your basic premise is incorrect and it won't work, sorry.
Please do not take legal advice from reddit.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
The story goes, the woman whom I was dating (we're still good friends) followed her husband to Texas. He had bought a house, started working at a local hospital, and the kids were attending school for half a semester. She, also a doctor, was finishing up her job in NJ for a couple of months, and then moved to Texas to be with her family. A year later, he sprang the divorce. His work colleague, also a doctor from NJ, moved in the week after. My friend bought a new but modest 1 story house in the adjacent neighborhood to be close to the kids. While he was awarded primary custodial parent, they do have shared custody, and she pays child support. Currently, he, his gf, the kids, and their new child live in a new house she bought, so he lives mortgage free and drives a Toyota Camry 😄
It was her suspicion that he masterminded moving her to Texas for the purpose of divorcing her, and I think that's just insanely diabolical. I do believe she's telling the truth. What I can confirm is that he does make a quarter million dollars a year and he does drive a Camry, lol. Whether that shit seems feasible for divorce court, you're the expert so cool story, I guess. You're 100% right that people shouldn't take legal advice from Reddit.
Strong-Bottle-4161@reddit
No that makes sense. People do that stuff. In fact a ULPT
Is for pregnant women to move while they are knocked up to a new state to try and avoid sharing custody with their kids.
There’s even a specific state. (Can’t remember) that is very anti-fathers rights and will proceed with adoptions without looking for the father. Women will often go to this state to adopt out their kids without the father’s consent.
screwswithshrews@reddit
Spousal maintenance (aka alimony) is a thing in Texas. I know someone currently paying it. It can go up to $5k / month
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/FA/htm/FA.8.htm#:~:text=(2)%2020%20percent%20of%20the%20spouse's%20average,includes:%20(A)%20100%20percent%20of%20all%20wage
SeaHaggard@reddit
Not sure how I stumbled into this sub...but it's interesting! FYI I live in Texas, and we have alimony laws here.
My old boss had to pay his ex-wife for several years, because he made it known to everyone in the office.
I obviously don't know all the details, but I know they were married for over 10 years and she never worked, so maybe that's why?
kaitb1103@reddit
And how many years did she spend raising his kids?
SeaHaggard@reddit
None. They never had any children.
Calman00@reddit
Also, put all the legal papers, contracts, deeds, passports, financial statements in a storage only you know about. Yes these can be replaced but it makes things harder for the other one.
asophisticatedbitch@reddit
Why would you want to delay the sale of the home? Also the other side can definitely get a court order on the sale price if you’re being ridiculous so I’m not sure how this is helpful
dookie1994@reddit
Ross?
argonandspice@reddit
I knew a guy who tried something like this, many years ago. They both knew the marriage was done, but it was a separation, not yet a divorce.
But the soon-to-be ex planned to move to that new state too! She would get a house for the kids so they could all be nearby!
But her work delayed her transfer, and finding a new place took longer than expected, and...
Pretty soon that guy had moved out of state without his family.
The wife never moved, the kids didn't have to move, and bro has to pay way more child support than if he had stayed local and could actually be a co-parent.
TheGuyThatThisIs@reddit
Ex’s parents divorced. Mom gets the three kids. Dad moves next door. Kids end up spending most nights at his, he still pays hella child support because she has custody, she just doesn’t exercise it.
cable_provider@reddit
Sounds like he needs to go back to court to change the custody agreement
TheGuyThatThisIs@reddit
The kids are mad at the dad because he cheated, but honestly the mom sucks so much I FUCKING GET IT. He’s probably afraid if he pushes back the family will be further strained. He’s doing alright anyway, giving her like $150k/year and living off about the same himself.
toabear@reddit
If money isn't a problem, sometimes its easier to just burn a few extra thousand a month vs getting in a big fight about it. it's been a long time now but I ended up in a fairly similar situation. The thing is if I had pushed it, my ex-wife would have started exercising custody and I would've had less time with my daughter. The last time my daughter could spend with her mother the better. Now that she's fully grown she's gone no contact with her if that gives you any idea of the level of problems involved.
tron_crawdaddy@reddit
MAN that’s bleak lol
cloudperson69@reddit
So nothing like this
Fair_Idea_7624@reddit
Basically the total opposite lol. Move states and leave your kids behind, genius move...
OCdude4Milfs@reddit
So the pro. Tip. Is not to. Get divorced
Agile-Tradition8835@reddit
Incel much?
TheBigBo-Peep@reddit
I feel like you may need to find another term for people with children and 3(?) marriages...
RainAppropriate3343@reddit
Thats on you for assuming bitches meant only women, bitches is gender neutral. Bitch.
-I_I@reddit
Misandry much? Get over your genitalia
DickensYermouth@reddit
Anyone angry about this probably doesn't realize how badly men get screwed in divorces and separations.
kaitb1103@reddit
Oh please.🙄
amanhasnoname418@reddit
Libs getting angry with the fact that women can be pieces of shit too. Fuck em. Good advice, seen a lot of good men go into debt or a grave because the love of their life was a whore. Good luck with everything, brother.
kaitb1103@reddit
As someone who works for a family law attorney (divorce, custody, support and PFA)- this is horrible advice.
But rather than getting into that- get yourself a f’ing pre-nup before getting married. Even if you’re poor. Even if you have ‘no assets’. Protect your retirement savings, which are an asset. Protect any potential future property or even pets. Pre-nups aren’t just for the poor. They’re planning for the worst case scenario- just like estate planning paperwork.
wholetherassonreddit@reddit
Me taking notes....
mtl_gamer@reddit
OP thank you for taking the time to post this. Respect.
astronauticalll@reddit
Was about to go off about this being horrible dead beat dad type behaviour but well, this sub is all about being unethical.
Anyone who does this is an asshole, but it does perfectly fit the theme of this sub so I guess I can't fault op that much
lan60000@reddit
It's not the husband's responsibility to take care of somebody that's not his wife anymore
astronauticalll@reddit
that's not what I said??
lan60000@reddit
Then what are you saying?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I originally refrained from the abuse sob-story in the spirit of ULPT.
The moving part was inspired by someone I dated whose ex had done the same. Having been through divorce, I decided that's a legit way for a good person to avoid getting screwed. In my true life story, I did have custody of my now grown kids, but without the use of trickery or witchcraft. In the end, I'm good friends with my children's moms. I did have to leave a badly abusive 3rd marriage, however, and if I did have kids with her I totally would have tried for sole custody. She has children with a previous husband, and the red flag there is he has primary custody. That is pretty rare in my state, so it's pretty indicative.
But no matter what I say, there are still going to be lots of people who believe alimony is fair, and there will be people who disagree. It is what it is.
liquid_acid-OG@reddit
I mean, he did say to bring the kids. Sounds like getting custody is part of the plan lol
Reddit_Mods_Are_Ugly@reddit
You just did though?
astronauticalll@reddit
would be fun if people actually read the comment they replied to on here
Bubbly-Manufacturer@reddit
He’s saying to take the kids with you how is that being a deadbeat? And also saying a plus is you might be given primary custody of the kids.
Stunning_While_6162@reddit
Yep. This is how my grandpa divorced my grandma. Ending up screwing them both over and my mom spent the rest of her childhood in motels.
LazyClerk408@reddit
What about a prenup in California?
Remarkable-Drop5145@reddit
oof, and the kids are casualties of war
Environmental_Toe488@reddit
Damn y’all. Shit like this makes me just want to chill for real
According-Fly7046@reddit
I am not an attorney but do have some experience in this area.
While some people may criticize OP, i applaud him for sharing. I am in favor of implementing this strategy if needed. Unfortunately there are some states that so grossly favor one party that some may need to go this route to level the field financially and possibly to protect the children from a bad parent. If done solely for financial reasons (and that is a legitimate reason) and the other parent is a good parent I wouldn’t push to hard on the custody part, although prefer the primary assuming that parent can handle those responsibilities otherwise push for split parenting time again assuming your work schedule permits. Child support is a formula but there are things that should be added such as: make sure there is a clause in your decree stating BOTH parents must agree on any extracurricular sport activities before signing them up otherwise the parent signing them up is solely responsible for the registration/ participation fees (otherwise one parent may sign the child or children up for the most expensive sports with the main purpose of financially draining you)
For those not married yet I would strongly recommend a Prenuptial Agreement (even with little to no assets) Prenups can be used to protect current assets as well as future assets and future income. In addition it can keep current liabilities as well as future liabilities incurred assigned to the respective party. To those who say “I don’t plan on getting divorced” lol most people who enter marriage don’t plan to get divorced but odds favor them getting divorced, so let’s be real. Marriage is a contract and personally I would never sign a contract without knowing the full terms of that contract. Prenups force couples to sit down and discuss current finances and future finances before getting married and actually help to clarify how they will manage financial affairs going forward often resulting in a lot less arguments about money (a common reason for divorce). Tip 1. - keep all assets and liabilities separate, do not commingle. Although you may have a few joint accounts for bills and savings for vacations etc. Tip 2. Offer to pay for legal representation for the other partner and have that as a written section in the Prenup, the attorney who writes the prenup can only represent one party so it’s important the other party have proper representation to avoid them claiming they were “tricked” into signing and didn’t understand it Tip 3. Do it early, before any major wedding plans are made and especially before deposits are made to avoid any potential claim by the other party of being signed under duress.
Sounds a lot more harsh than it really is but in reality it protects both parties, provides financial clarity upfront and makes things a lot easier and less stressful should a divorce occur.
YayayayayayayayX100@reddit
Can we start a club to help our fellow men in distress?
CoachZealousideal377@reddit
My dad did this. He’s also never met his grandkids and both his children went no contact a while ago lol.
OhLollyVA@reddit
This isn’t a commentary about OP’s strategy or their justifications for it.
New Mexico is generally considered a non-alimony state bc they have no standardized alimony calculator, it’s a community property state, etc. Before you move your poor kids to that shit hole or similar, YSK I was awarded spousal support in the most conservative part of that state until I remarry (never gonna happen) or one of us kicks the bucket. I did not file first and I didn’t counter file for a fault judgement even though I could have (at-fault state). Knowing one or both of us may move to Texas at some point, the judge ordered that he would retain jurisdiction of the case. If you’re a spouse that has benefited greatly financially during your marriage, this is not the get out of jail free card you wish it was.
ryu-kishi@reddit
How many more than a few (3) before you can say several?
Medical_Slide9245@reddit
Not original. Musk is currently doing to his ex. There are look back dates and while it seems slick most courts will see thru the obvious.
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
In my experience, family courts never see through the obvious.
Medical_Slide9245@reddit
Elaborate experience please.
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
I had a lawyer submit an affidavit under penalty of perjury and attach bank statements proving she was perjuring herself. Maybe if you’re Elon musk the judge will review the evidence but no if you’re just some average asshole with $15m to fight over.
Medical_Slide9245@reddit
So the answer is 1.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Texas courts can't enforce California laws. I'm glad the world's richest man is attempting to avoid paying alimony.
Medical_Slide9245@reddit
But California can.
undockeddock@reddit
Op has zero understanding of how jurisdiction works. Especially when it comes to divorces (and even more so when there are children involved)
Medical_Slide9245@reddit
But they are a self proclaimed expert. /s
Nheea@reddit
Parent of the year. Maybe he's Elon Musky.
YourVelcroCat@reddit
It reminds me of the tiktok trend where it's just check fraud lmao. Nobody should take advice from randoms on the internet
Toochilltoworry420@reddit
This red flag has some wisdom in their residual failure as a human being. Lmao
VernonDent@reddit
Alimony is extremely rare in divorces these days when both spouses work outside the home and have their own income. So if your spouse works, alimony likely isn't a thing anyway unless there's a huge difference between your incomes.
If you pull tricks like this to avoid paying child support, you're not unethical, you're a piece of shit.
Curtis_Low@reddit
That certainly isn't the case in Tennessee where I just got divorced earlier this year.
WhalesLoveSmashBros@reddit
If your thinking about getting divorced set the divorce as your desktop wallpaper for a few months first.
CMR30Modder@reddit
Ethical life pro tip. Don't marry OP.
CatIll3164@reddit
Don't marry
freakedmind@reddit
Not just for OP though
existential_fauvism@reddit
real life tip is always in the comments
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
LOL
Aromatic-Arugula-896@reddit
I can see why you have been divorced....many times
splittestguy@reddit
You usually have to be in a state for 90 days to get divorced.
Clear_Carry2012@reddit
"A lot of bitches replying" It's a mystery why you have been divorced multiple times. More of a mystery is how you have convinced multiple women to marry you in the first place.
Ok_Needleworker_9537@reddit
You should keep these "tips" to yourself lol
aRuPqFjM-582928@reddit
I might divorce just for the sake of giving this advice a try.
It's going to be a riot.
ThomasAltuve@reddit
0/10, do NOT recommend. Divorce is hell, and even played perfectly, it’s gonna cost a pretty penny.
Squirxicaljelly@reddit
My divorce cost us both a grand total of $200 for the filing fee. We split it 50/50, so $100 each. That’s it. No court. No kids so no custody battle. It helps when neither person is a vindictive asshole lol.
11524@reddit
If she's halfway cool and now childless, send er my way!
Juliette787@reddit
I too chose this man’s ex-wife
OkDragonfruit9026@reddit
Is she dead though? If not, it can be arranged!
Newgeta@reddit
An expert in failure giving advice, it's something....
LowAd3406@reddit
Maybe OP actually learns things from his failures.
Spazmer@reddit
You talking about the guy who got married several times? I guess if you're saying he's a really slow learner.
dopleburger@reddit
I wouldn’t want a happily married man giving me advice on how to navigate a brutal divorce
LionBig1760@reddit
I wouldn't want anyone who posts their divorce revenge fantasy on reddit giving me advice, either.
It's better to just get advice from an expert, like a lawyer.
SnooPandas687@reddit
Thanks for sharing.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
bingo.
My friends laugh that I pick the crazy ones. They are great in bed ... their boyfriends told me so.
dopleburger@reddit
Why do you go after women in relationships, what’s the psychology I could never understand it
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
are you responding to the correct thread? Who is going after women in relationships, that's just wrong.
dopleburger@reddit
You said the crazy women are the best in bed because their boyfriends told you so, I assume you’re chasing women in relationships with that phrasing
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
LOL "wife's boyfriend" is an old trope implying that the husband is a cuck and his wife is enjoying a one way open relationship.
dopleburger@reddit
Ah I see, you seem like an open book so I was going to pick your brain. My girl gets hit on and chased even harder that she’s in a relationship now. Kinda makes me sick how men don’t respect women’s relationships
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
It's on her, bud. If she wants to be with someone else, then she should be with someone else. But if she gets hit on by dudes and she wants to be with you, that's someone worth keeping
ChocIceAndChip@reddit
If you want a fight so much, there’s plenty of other subs just begging for someone like you.
MetalstepTNG@reddit
It's all his fault he got divorced? Where did you get that from, Sherlock?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I'm not giving marital advice. I was successful in divorcing. That was cute, though
sir_psycho_sexy96@reddit
Not sure uprooting your life and moving states is really winning but we all have different metrics of success.
beamerpook@reddit
It's not meant to be "winning". This is meant so you don't get fucked over by scummy lawyers.
Sometimes you just can't "win", so you can try to make sure you don't lose, especially everything!
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
This.
I had a lawyer file a false affidavit against me (under penalty of perjury ). She also gave false testimony in court.
The judge made me pay her hundreds of thousands in legal fees. I couldn’t find a lawyer willing to pursue the perjury charge.
It’s a club and you ain’t in it.
ChocolateBroccoli13@reddit
this man has never been through a divorce before lol
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Do you think additional years of litigation and attorney's fees plus 10 years of paying alimony to an abusive ex-spouse is the better solution?
sir_psycho_sexy96@reddit
Don't see how this minimizes the amount I'd litigation but you're the expert.
wahday@reddit
r/unsuccessfullifeprotips
BLACKdrew@reddit
Seems to be pretty good at getting divorced
liliceberg@reddit
Sure he’s a failure at marriage, but being able to afford 3 divorces makes me think he’s been successful there
Neat-Journalist-4261@reddit
I mean I wouldn’t take his advice on choosing partners or upholding a relationship, but it sounds like he has a decent track record in avoiding alimony. I’d never do this personally, but he’s not exactly wrong.
commander_clark@reddit
Yeah any ULPT's about making sure your kids never find out you're a monster?
Curious-Contract6745@reddit
Awesome advice! My dad unfortunately married a woman years ago who had too many red flags. The woman’s parents and children had been no contact with her for at least 10 years. She always wanted family so after multiple attempts to plant roots in different communities within Arizona, she had the great idea to move to Louisiana to be closer to my dad’s family. Six months after the move, she filed for divorce and she was very upset to find out that she was not entitled to anything that my father had previous to their marriage. I loved it.
Aggravating-Farm5194@reddit
“A lot of bitches replying” I can’t for the life of me see why you’ve been divorced multiple times lol.
PhilMatush@reddit
Maybe someone should’ve wrote you a life pro tip called “if you’re thinking about getting married” because being divorced several times means you’re probably not doing something right lmfao
The_Real_Scrotus@reddit
Just be aware that there are no states that are 100% non-alimony.
missed_abortion@reddit
It's quite easy to get spousal maintenance in TX. I know 3 people who do. One man and two women. They were all married over 10 years. Usually that's the magic number to get that in TX.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Pls explain, because Texas is listed as a non-alimony state. If you're considering damages for civil matters, that's a different story
The_Real_Scrotus@reddit
Not sure where you got the information but Texas does have provisions for alimony. The conditions are a lot more restrictive and it's not awarded as often as many states, but it's still possible there.
catslovepats@reddit
Not original commenter, but: https://ondafamilylaw.com/is-alimony-always-awarded-in-texas-divorce/
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Thanks.
"Spousal maintenance is not always awarded in Texas divorces; in fact, it is usually not awarded."
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
It’s not even awarded in California always. But, I’d hate to be the unlucky asshole who gets a judge on his period.
catsweedcoffee@reddit
This is some scumbag behavior. Like, I get it, I know what sub I’m in, but as a divorced woman whose ex husband bounced while owing me over $50k, additionally abandoning his student loans to tank my credit, kindly fuck off with this.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
As someone who was married to someone who was abusive to the children and is now reaping the benefits of my hard work, how about you fuck off and get off your high horse?
catsweedcoffee@reddit
Glad you got out, but advising people to NOT pay alimony and to move to fuck over an ex is fucking gross. There’s a line between unethical and immoral behaviors; immoral includes lying, cheating, and other forms of dishonesty. This borders on amoral. But, ya know, do you I guess.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
No, alimony is thievery. We can debate this a million ways, but nobody should EVER pay for someone's lifestyle after divorce. Child support is a different story, I gladly pay that. An ex should not benefit from divorce, they should WORK
catsweedcoffee@reddit
This is a hill we part ways on then, because I was financially and physically abused for a decade. That man owes me so much more than money, but it was the only thing I could push for. I had literally $200 when I left him. He dragged court out for years until he could leave the country, much like your tips here, and absolutely fucked me.
Desmald@reddit
why don't you just get a job
theStingraY@reddit
Smart guy
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I did not downvote this because I truly feel for people who get screwed after a divorce. I'm sorry to hear you were abused. Money is the least of your worries, though. No amount of money can replace your autonomy and going a day without being told you suck or getting hit. Every case is different, and I wish you had been compensated for taking the abuse.
Mobe-E-Duck@reddit
Alimony used punitively- exact reason it’s theft.
FourCheeseDoritos@reddit
I actually can’t work and am grateful my narcissistic ex has to pay alimony. Fuck off.
cardizemdealer@reddit
Loser
FourCheeseDoritos@reddit
How am I a loser?
Tubbafett@reddit
Because you “can’t” work?
FourCheeseDoritos@reddit
Have you heard of intractable chronic pain?
Tubbafett@reddit
Doesn’t sound like winning.
FourCheeseDoritos@reddit
Only a loser would make a comment like that. Jesus.
Tubbafett@reddit
You’re entitled to your opinion, but it sounds like you didn’t earn it.
FourCheeseDoritos@reddit
I didn’t earn my opinion?
Tubbafett@reddit
It’s a shitty joke, it’s not your life, you don’t have to take it so hard.
FourCheeseDoritos@reddit
I’m high right now, so maybe that’s why I don’t seem to understand any of your last few comments to me. 🤷♀️
Tubbafett@reddit
Ok
madeforpost2@reddit
I have people in my life with "pain". But they will easily go do something if they actually want to. Else if they are asked to do anything else they are in too much "pain". It's this autoimmune disorder or that and they can't do shit unless it's going to do something they want to do. The amount of fake pain illnesses takes credibility away from those who actually are in that situation.
FourCheeseDoritos@reddit
Agree.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
LOL people really loved your comment. I'll kindly fuck off and leave you to your ... whatever the hell it is that you do
FourCheeseDoritos@reddit
Thanks.
Easties88@reddit
I agree they should work. But if someone gave up a career to look after your kids and is now way further down the earnings ladder than they would be, I can see a case for some time-bound alimony. Not 50% though.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Agree 100%. That would be my mom, who gave up her life to take care of the kids. In my case, we both worked.
Kristylane@reddit
Do you think your mom should have received alimony after she”gave up her life to take care of the kids” or “nobody should EVER pay for someone’s lifestyle after divorce”?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
My mom would take half at a divorce. After that, life is life
Desmald@reddit
Alimony shouldn't exist at all so it's not really unethical to do this
Clevererer@reddit
Because in your mind women can do no wrong. It's clear from your post. You either misread OP or you just laid bare your gross sexism for all to see.
Horror_Cow_7870@reddit
So, abducting children and hiding out in another state is the solution?
You're sick. Seek help. Seriously.
EverythingChanges6@reddit
I think you are confused on the definition of abducting
Horror_Cow_7870@reddit
When you take children away from a guardian......
Maximum_Poet_8661@reddit
He’s their dad wtf are you talking about “taking children away from their guardian” for?
You may be shocked to learn this but dads have all of the exact same legal rights as moms as pertains to their kids
Horror_Cow_7870@reddit
1) The majority of child abductions involve somebody the child knows- typically a family member. This is a fact, not something I’m pulling out of my ass. 2) if you really have a better word for what it is if you remove a child from a state and away from a second parent that has joint, alternating or co-custody, I’d be really interested to learn what that is, because the term that I know to describe that idea is abduction.
thepatriotclubhouse@reddit
he is a guardian. this is what happens to men literally every single time. lol
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
this is true, though. Just dads are bad guys, typically
EverythingChanges6@reddit
Are you now inventing your own definition? By that definition, schools are abducting children.
He is also a guardian, and he didn't say he was going to take the kids without consent. He is just not revealing his plan.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I didn't move. I was already in a non-alimony state. The ULPT is legit, millions of Californian ex-husbands will attest.
But I am honestly a proponent for co-parenting. My daughter's mom, we co-parent beautifully. The difference is, this mother who receives my good graces didn't call my 12 year old daughter a "cunt" to her face.
CircadianRadian@reddit
Ma'am, respectfully. This is r/UnethicalLifeProTips
catsweedcoffee@reddit
Respectfully, there’s a difference between unethical and immoral pro tips.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
You just took the ULPT out of context. I originally felt like I wouldn't have to put my abuse story, but my story is from a different perspective than yours.
Truestorydreams@reddit
Naw don't listen to those hoes. They are upset your tip helps guys who get screwed over by the system..
Neat-Journalist-4261@reddit
Respectfully, your personal definitions of those words are somewhat irrelevant. You may consider ‘immoral’ worse than ‘unethical’, but they are pretty much just synonyms.
This is a MAJOR dick move, for sure. But that’s what the sub is about. If you’re enough of a pissbucket to move to a non alimony state to fuck over your missus, then this IS a good tip if you hadn’t thought about it.
It’s a good and legal, but totally unethical, method of avoiding alimony.
pheret87@reddit
Username checks out
IntelligentRevenue39@reddit
Wow, this was judgemental
earthstomp24@reddit
A tip is a tip is a tip
kaiser-so-say@reddit
“A lot of bitches…”. It’s amazing anyone wanted to mate with you, never mind marry you. Loser
Maximum_Poet_8661@reddit
I mean in the real world misogyny does not hurt your relationship chances in any meaningful way. It’s kinda fucked to say I guess but in the real world, the biggest misogynists I’ve ever met all had wives or girlfriends and no trouble dating
It’ll be a turnoff for some people absolutely but a charming misogynist will pull 100x better than a women respecting guy who is a loser
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
You have a point, yet I have no trouble finding "mates". If you're offended by the word, you're either a bitch or you've spent time in jail. IYKYK
MaarDaarPoepIkUit@reddit
Remembering this one for sure 🙏
FungalBrew@reddit
Did this to my ex. Helped her move to her parents house while we where still together after she left her affair partner ad tried to "patch things up." I was supposed to get a transfer from my job and follow shortly after but I knew a divorce was coming because I got a sneak peak of the hidden paperwork before she left. She was going to hit me with a bunch of made up bullshit like "abandonment, abuse both physical and mental" etc despite me being the one doing the bulk of the child care, never laying a hand on her in our 14years together, paying most of her bills, shopping and everything else. Anyway, so I helped her move 800miles away, stayed behind, quit my good job, moved to a much poorer state near the one I was in and accepted a shit job. The whole time sending what I would usually spend on the kids anyway, as child support. When she came after me with the courts I plead poverty, showed my wages and they wanted to reward her with SIGNIFICANTLY less money than she was already getting plus half my pension . She was furious but because I actually care about my kids, I offered to keep giving what I was giving if we kept it out of the courts. During that time I was also training in a new trade which she still has no idea about. So now, three years later I'm making three times what I was when I was married and I keep every dime of my money and my ex is now on pregnancy number 6 with some moron who thinks I'm just a minimum wage scrub.
Old_Evening1758@reddit
How about tips for women. No kids. Non alimony state
licensedtojill@reddit
Wild if this works, hardest part seems to be getting the other parent to agree to stay behind.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I'm dating a woman whose husband did this in a truly unethical way. They are both doctors, but he's on the board of a big hospital making $250k. He didn't want to pay alimony and also learned Texas has a cap on child support, so he moved the family to Texas, waited a year, found a new mistress, and divorced her. Texas caps CS at $2300/mo for two children, much to his advantage. He would have been paying a significantly larger amount had they stayed in New York.
My advice isn't for assholes that want to do this to good people. A good parents wouldn't dodge child support. Good thing she is a doctor who can hold her own, because having moved to a new state with a new job, and being isolated with no family, no friends, and being isolated isn't optimal.
To the naysayers, though, alimony is theft. If you need that person's income, perhaps don't cheat on them and don't hit your spouse as a good step towards having a healthy relationship? Is that a big ask? LOL
disorientating@reddit
If he’s a doctor making $250k then he’s the real loser because not only are there are jurisdictions that pay much more than that for doctors… any new CS grad working at a FAANG can make more than that AND any investment banker can absolutely make twice that 😭😭 Not to mention his medical school debt being equal to his salary
N0S0UP_4U@reddit
The 250K may be in addition to his salary
witchyunicornqueen@reddit
I’m sure she loves that you posted advice on how to do what her husband did to her online in a life tips sub…
PM_THOSE_LEGS@reddit
Don’t marry again OP.
Sure you can get bad luck and marry a cheating partner, but after several failed marriages maybe is time to accept the problem is you.
Not that you are a bad person, just bad a picking up red flags.
licensedtojill@reddit
I was surprised in my divorce to learn I could be subject to alimony but my wife not working was part of why we got divorced judge! Parents who give up a career for kids deserve some compensation to get on their feet tho. But I understand the anger at finding out someone who was a drain can continue to be cause you married them.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Stay at home spouses who took care of the kids definitely deserve half of the income, assets, and debt earned over the course of their marriage. So take that half and GTFO, but no ... some people want to maintain a lifestyle long term.
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
There’s a big different between working a real job and working a shit job that is easier than raising kids.
I decided to be a stay at home parent after I got kicked out and it’s so much easier than my old job.
licensedtojill@reddit
It’s honestly a career opportunity if you’re hot enough
Puzzleheaded-Gear-15@reddit
"Marriage is grand. Divorce is 10 grand."
It was on a fucking billboard lmao
DazzlingProfession26@reddit
All the non alimony states are bullshit states to live in so it’s like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
show-me-the-numbers@reddit
Good advice. The existence of alimony is insulting to women anyway.
Sid15666@reddit
I had a supervisor years ago that always tried to give me relationship advice, he had been divorced 4 times. I had been married 35 years at the time. Choose who you take advice from carefully!
Inevitable_Rate_2179@reddit
Gold diggers hate this one trick.
Ok-Information-8972@reddit
Being so good at divorce begs the question. Why haven't you gone to seek therapy yet? You are clearly attracting bad partners because you need to do some deep personal work.
throwawayborerbirb@reddit
This dude divorces right !
deathbychips2@reddit
Alimony happens 10% of the time. Quit with this dumb myth that it is so prevalent
EconomyHistorical618@reddit
Given how rigged and unfair the divorce laws are towards men, I wouldn't call these protips unethical. As far as I'm concerned, these are ELPTs. Illegal, maybe, then again it was illegal to help slaves runaway from plantations so...
daphydoods@reddit
I can see why you’ve gone through multiple divorces
unlawfl@reddit
Thanks for the tips. Don't defend yourself to the idiots that message you. We know they take EVERY advantage EVERY chance they get.
ynotfoster@reddit
"Edit: a lot of bitches replying." I hope you are in therapy.
xotchitl_tx@reddit
I think the easiest way is famicide. Just ya know, -erp- them all, then yourself. Done and done.
1inaMcMilli@reddit
This a great advice. My sister is married to a pot head closer who hasn't had a real job for the 17 years. She's worked 2 jobs to pay all the bills while he takes the money he makes from odd jobs to support his drug habit and go fishing. She won't divorce him because of Minnesota spousal maintenance laws. It discouraged her from divorcing him (along with her mental health issues).
Great advice OP!
thebemusedmuse@reddit
I was impressed by the tip but then you folded in the edits.
Efficient-Concept768@reddit
One that people don’t think about
SIGNED CONSENT FOR TRAVEL.
My soon to be ex wife retired to file single party divorce petition like a moron and was going to sneak in there two things
Joint decision making with mothers final say
Verbal consent for travel.
I told her to eat my asshole she thinks either of those is happening.
EmptyCupOfWater@reddit
Yeah, man. There’s definitely a reason you’ve been divorced so many times, and it’s not the other person.
haterade0204@reddit
The real issue is the fact that you've been married and divorced several times. Maybe get the hint & don't marry anyone???
HannaCalifornia@reddit
Well then how would we have gotten this unethical life pro tip then, hmmm?
Unc00lbr0@reddit
This is what I subscribe for! Don't listen to the butthurt people responding, I'm pretty sure they forgot the purpose of this sub
Matcha_Bubble_Tea@reddit
I’m not even married and will don’t want to. But I’ll save this anyways. Good tip!
LionBig1760@reddit
If you want some fucked up kids, do whatever you can to keep them away from a parent because you're angry about the divorce.
bex50avery@reddit
When I lived in Wyoming, I know of a lady doctor who did this. She and her husband and kids moved to Wyoming from another state. She was playing the long game; she knew divorce was in the future, so she took a job in an advantageous state so she would not get put through the ringer when the divorce came eventually.
mathsusi@reddit
What a loser haha
Toasted_Brownie@reddit
The tip is legit. Top shelf ULPT. The lore surrounding OP is... questionable. As is everything on Reddit, I guess
JamesKBoyd@reddit
Sorted by controversial and damn there are a lot of mad women commenting.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Too many people also believe that wives can't abuse husbands
FinancialRaise@reddit
Your aggressive replies says enough about why you don't attract decent people and stay in a strong marriage.
thr0w4w4y10111011103@reddit
Ok, and what about the women he attracts? Are you saying that he is evil while the obviously fucked up women he dated were not evil?
Nheea@reddit
Those poor kids. Also, if he has a daughter can you imagine what kind of father he is? What if this were your daughter?
Nvm, I guess we'll have yet another woman like you and your wife.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Don't tell me, you didn't read the whole thing 🤦♂️
Nheea@reddit
Oh I read your "a lot of bitches replying". I also read this post to my husband and we both had a chuckle at your... Demeanour. Cheers to you pal.
Still sorry for your grown kids.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
My aggressive replies mean I'm done taking shit from people. I do attract evil women, though
beyerch@reddit
The ONLY disagreement I have is if the spouse put their career on hold to stay home to care for children/family/household AND the OTHER party initiated the divorce.
That's a tough position for anyone to be in and they shoukd get some assistance to give them a REASONABLE amount of time to get established.
phickster@reddit
This is a reasonable point, but the system we currently have is severely flawed. The scandinavians have it figured out , maximum of 1 year of alimony. After that, you're an adult and live on what you can make for yourself. If you took time to raise children while it may be for the family, it is also a choice only you can make so that argument never really held water for me. Just my two cents
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
100% we need to recognize that it’s a hardship to work and spend time away from your kids too. I’m done voiced and the weeks I don’t get to see my kids is fucking torture. Dads need a break from the financial obligations so we can be dads.
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
FYI - child support isn’t just to support the child. It’s to make sure the mom has the same standard of living as the dad.
ANAL_QUEENisyourmom@reddit
Why not just…
🎵Slip out the back, Jack!🎵
Hour_Eagle2@reddit
Guy who makes repeated choices shouldn’t offer advice.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Who should you take divorce advice from, someone who's never been through it? You aren't making any sense.
Hour_Eagle2@reddit
I’m just pointing out that you have a history of making bad choices. Some might argue these particular choices to be some of the most important ones a person makes. If you have been divorced multiple times I question your judgment and probably wouldn’t come to you for advice about anything.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Your position is sound and I respect that. If someone was about to go to prison and they needed advice on how to stay alive in prison, they really should ask someone who's been in prison.
Okcookienow@reddit
This is so cunty
I say this as a kid whose parent took me away from my dad.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
My advice to a kid, stay in school and get those reading comprehension grades up
Okcookienow@reddit
lol, did that. I just have to say it so it can get through someone's ear hole. I have hope that perhaps one person would look at the whole custody thing as not a competition but hurt and pain towards their own kid
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Every situation is different, and while it sucks that you were taken away from your parent, kids do need to be taken away from abusive parents.
Okcookienow@reddit
Which I did state in my first comment :)
Lonely-Air-8029@reddit
Several times 💀 bruv you think maybe after the second time, you should stop getting married
LightMeUpPapi@reddit
This mans giving out advice on divorce but sounds like he could use some advice on marriage
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
No need for that. Three is it for me
2580374@reddit
You probably said that for 2 lol
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
LOL, I did. You can try, but you can't plan out your entire
bell-town@reddit
Did you get divorced again before you could finish that sentence?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
💀
mysteryteam@reddit
What's that remind bot for one year?
Oh, nevermind. I'm sure I won't forget 9/11
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
never forget
3inchesOnAGoodDay@reddit
Nah you need to learn from the master and pipe down while the adults speaks
CosmicGrimewastaken@reddit
Shoot I stopped dating after the first and only divorce. I’d rather be alone and bitter than go through anything resembling that hell again.
DetentionSpan@reddit
“Right now I’m lonely. I don’t wanna be lonely and miserable!”
DarthVadersShoeHorn@reddit
Leave Ross alone
Lonely-Air-8029@reddit
😭
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
LOL
Green-Dragon-14@reddit
You've been divorced serval times. Are you addicted to wedding cake or something. I'm going with the something. So basically you'll jump into marriage on a whim & try to get out of your responsibilities in the divorce. Sorry bud but you're the last person I would take advice from.
Most people learn from their first mistake but not you, you're dumb.
Einstein says "the definition of insanity is repeatedly making the same mistake repeatedly & expecting different results".
Have you noticed that your the one constantly in all of your failed marriages?
IntelligentRevenue39@reddit
are people just not reading, or is that a lost art?
Akschadt@reddit
He starts it by saying he is an expert on divorce and has been divorced 3 times. Not a lot a confidence in this to start but let’s see where it goes.
He says he has never done this but heard about it.. ok you having been divorced several times are your credentials, and your direct experience Is you heard about it.
So now we are on to the unethical life pro tip. Dip out of the house and move states with the kids.. zero mention that you have to wait six months before you can establish residency with a child. Also the wife if she doesn’t sell she is the caretaker of the stable and consistent homestead.
This is unethicalLifeProTips not how to use your kids to gamble
IntelligentRevenue39@reddit
you wanted a complete how to in one post, is that it? Do you know how short people's attention spans are?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
The ex-wife in question was also married twice before, so while your logic is sound, the stupidness can be spread. I don't deny being dumb for marrying three times.
The_Brown_Ranger@reddit
My father did literally this. Great protip if you just care about money, but your kids will fucking hate you
pakito1234@reddit
Thank you
smaiderman@reddit
You seem to be a lovely person
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Who told you divorce is rainbows and butterflies?
smaiderman@reddit
No one, but man, the period before marriage is to get to know the other person, and to set your mind to be prepared to do anything for your partner. Then you get married
Akschadt@reddit
Bro be careful interacting with OP he might propose to you. If he does SAY NO!
JCNunny@reddit
Never been married at 51.
Waiting on the second wife at this point lol.
Akschadt@reddit
Only 5 years on my first marriage so you are ahead in the game.. but strangely she isn’t trying to divorce me or take our child away. Maybe I’m doing something wrong.
Are there any failures you can think of that led you to not being an expert of divorce? At the rate I’m going my wife and I may grow old and raise our kids together.
Vegetable_Reward_867@reddit
Very thought provoking advice.
I got a baby momma who has been paid about 75k by me, in our boy’s 10 years.
+
23k in lawyer’s fee’s
+
I had to buy a new car cuz my car wasn’t gonna cut the 130 mile drive (to and from) 3 times a week
+
The unknown amount I’ve spent on shit for him and I cuz I’m a dope ass dad.
= fuck that bitch
People understand dollars, no way in hell I could explain the pain of suffering.
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
Money = guilt in family law
I’ve spent $500k in legal bills just to keep 50% contact.
I also provide a house in one of the most expensive neighborhoods in America (with a marble staircase)
And, I pay $3,500/month in child support.
The real LPT is to know that the courts will fuck yup if you marry beneath yourself. Make sure you’re future baby momma comes with a dowery otherwise don’t get married.
lostinthewild07@reddit
I feel that man. Plus staying in a place I hate with all my being for my kid. Only 3 years left though.
Vegetable_Reward_867@reddit
Hang tough brother 🙋🏽♂️
prettyflyforafry@reddit
What happened to make your ex turn against you so hard? Was this before or after your ULPT?
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
Some people hate everyone. Even their own children. Just because someone hates you doesn’t mean you’re a bad person.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
😂 the actual scenario wasn't my own. The ULPT is tried and true, however, take it for what it is.
OnlySmeIIz@reddit
Why marry in the first place?
SeniorSupermarket933@reddit
How else can a father give his property to a husband?
meaowgi@reddit
Outside of America, it's actually still a thing.
American law on divorce is _crazy_
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
People change, sometimes for the worst.
Blearchie@reddit
This 100%. Who you marry today is often not the same person years later (married 27 years. Now divorcing).
Key_Soup_987@reddit
It sounds like no one should ever make the mistake of marrying you or being your child. Your advice is great for you and awful for your children.
It's funny that someone who has been divorced multiple times is giving anyone advice. You've clearly fucked up a lot of your life.
25tidder@reddit
Help me out bro, what's the name of this sub again??
CocaineBearGrylls@reddit
There's unethical and then there's making your kids hate you.
NoVaFlipFlops@reddit
Truth but my man OP is the common element in multiple marriages where there was the means and will and gumption to leave.
OP wasn't the victim.
Arkayenro@reddit
this tip can also be perfectly ethical - its all about context and which party uses it against the other.
randy88moss@reddit
I’m happily married, but just in case, are there better non-alimony states than Texas?
Internal_Essay9230@reddit
You mean staying put and hiring that shady, $150 "hiit man" I met in a seedy strip club isn't a good plan?
Dry-Frame-827@reddit
This is true for the children but you’d behoove yourself to consult an attorney on the other end with the finances. In almost every case, this would be false. There’s a reason you want an attorney from YOUR COUNTY. That reason is because that’s the county where the court will hear and whose rules will apply.
nolander182@reddit
Translate this to Canadian for a friend.
taktester@reddit
Please reference UCCJEA and UIFSA. Your plan isn't as advantageous as you think it is.
DudeThatRuns@reddit
Ehh the real advice is talk to a lawyer. This post plays with legal concepts that they don’t understand but can cost you tons of money if not done right. I’ve been clerking in family law for years and will hopefully be an attorney practicing family law next month pending bar passage. This persons comments will only get you so far. Cool thought tho
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Nobody says to not talk to a lawyer. My pro tip was to leverage it so that you can be the one with the better lawyer. The one with the best lawyer wins.
DudeThatRuns@reddit
Somewhat. Family law attorneys aren’t always gonna fleece a situation like you’re implying. There’s easily a world where someone moves to a non-alimony state with liquidated or debt straddled assets and finds themselves fucked. The UCCJEA looks to where the CHILD has lived for 6 months. Not necessarily you. And depending on the states involved, your new state may only be able to grant a divorce over your person and have no jurisdiction over your assets. That means you could still be subject to alimony. Except now there’s 2 attorneys involved and maybe alimony was cheaper in the first place.
Your other post is equally head scratching. Hiding assets doesn’t work. I’ve seen rich men try and do pretty much everything you’ve said and then not comply with discovery. It doesn’t work as great as you think, except now you’ll have extensive legal fees for yourself AND the other party if you are particularly combative.
What you’re ultimately talking about is gamesmanship. Attorneys and judges aren’t dumb. It happens often. There are certain things that are smart to do - for example, making sure you have the items you want in the separation. Often the parties leave the asset division as is at the time of divorce. That means if you want your “tool shop,” which in my neck of the woods is weirdly often, then get the tools out of the house before the divorce is filed. That way they can’t say that you’ll get the tools when they get their quilts or whatever. But ultimately, talk to an attorney, especially before you do something really stupid like secure a debt with a vehicle right before divorce. That’s the best way to not get reamed.
DanfromCalgary@reddit
Man this is rough . I don’t know you but reading this
Kinda sounds like you lying about what happened
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
🤷🏻♂️ it's ok
beefbytes77@reddit
Yes YTA
BLACKdrew@reddit
Commenting in this interesting and funny af thread salute OP good luck with life
orangutanDOTorg@reddit
Bamboozle
DesignatedTypo@reddit
LPT- If you’re married to a douche who abruptly changes jobs and tries to bring the kids to another state and leave you to sell the house… get a lawyer.
MetalstepTNG@reddit
Right, because it's not like the other spouse could be a narcissistic cheater that doesn't deserve alimony.
swingsetlife@reddit
the thing i learned from my divorce is whoever talks to that attorney you know first gets them.
Voyager5555@reddit
Like I'm taking divorce advice from Ross Geller. I mean, if you love divorce so much you should probably marry it. But then you'd get divorced. Because your divorce guy.
RenewThePatriotAct@reddit
Congrats on being an expert in being unlovable.
RenegadeTechnician@reddit
Just reading this makes me glad I dodged the marriage bullet after the breakup.
Sure I was heartbroken, but at least I don’t have to worry about alimony.
BraverXIII@reddit
Divorced multiple times and your edit refers to women as "bitches". YTA, don't need to know anything else.
IntelligentRevenue39@reddit
YTA for implying that women are bitches
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
wrong sub, but I wasn't calling women bitches. Bitches were all the whiners who thought I had kidnapped my kids and crossed state lines with them.
martygospo@reddit
I have no actual input for this post… but just had to say that the comments here are wild. Some super butt hurt people and also some psychos. Fun!
IntelligentRevenue39@reddit
same thing happened to a friend of mine so it tracks. It seems the butthurt ones are having trouble understanding
ssamu460@reddit
If you have a shit ton of money it’s genius. I just don’t think most can afford two homes at the same time
RichLyonsXXX@reddit
Also
So you're an expert in a technique you full on admit you have never tried... Hmm.
That and not a single solitary word about residency requirements despite most states having one(some of them really steep if only one spouse lives in the state) tells me that you have literally no idea what you are talking about.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Your fact finding is not so good.
I have been divorced several times, but what inspired this ULPT is what happened to a woman I dated. It worked on her, and it will work on others. Whether it's used for good or evil is entirely up to the Unethical Life Pro Tippee.
True that my last divorce was horrible, but no kids with her so I'm only out money. She was abusive to her children, me, and mine. My relationships with my kids' moms are phenomenal.
If I had included the details of everything else, the original post wouldn't have been concise. Texas residency requirements for filing divorce and establishing residence of minor children is 6 months, let me Google that for you
tetheredgirl@reddit
Also, piss discs.
mostessmoey@reddit
This one is pretty unethical. Ethical tip marry someone who is willing to get a prenup to avoid this type of mess. Work out these details so when you hate each other you at least play fair.
grape-fruited@reddit
I feel bad for kids that have a parent like you. I know what sub we are in but when kids are involved it's another story. Go fuck yourself.
IntelligentRevenue39@reddit
🤦♂️
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
This person obviously doesn't know how to read. I wish we could respond with voice recording.
d3g4d0@reddit
They hated him for he told the truth
WolverinesThyroid@reddit
Don't forget that your money is communal property and going on a bender in Vegas is just being a shitty spouse, but it isn't a crime if you spend 10 grand on hookers and blow
MilkshakeMolly@reddit
Some people should stay single forever.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Ethical Life Pro Tip
BryanP1968@reddit
All I can think of is that line “Ya been married 9 times, hell maybe it’s you.”
muffinladypants@reddit
Damn! But snaps
AlBundysbathrobe@reddit
You have to wait six months before filing on the new state if you have kids though
SnooWoofers496@reddit
WHY YOU CALLING PEOPLE BITCHES?????
toolsavvy@reddit
I can attest to the effectiveness of this method. Thanks for posting, brother. Stay smart.
Pleasant_Tooth_2488@reddit
An expert in divorce.
Maybe you should put that energy into becoming an expert on relationships.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I have plenty of healthy relationships now. At the first sign of name calling or physical aggression, I bounce. For now, I'm a Divorce SME and I hope to benefit others from my experiences
_VEL0@reddit
How quickly are you getting married? JFC.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
I was married at 18. Remarried at 26. Then remarried at 40.
_VEL0@reddit
Maybe don’t rush into the next one.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Ethical Pro Tip
beyerch@reddit
This man divorces.......
HonnyBrown@reddit
WOW...just...wow
being_less_white_@reddit
Lol this is damn good
TraderJoe67@reddit
You sir are a legend
dazoff13@reddit
Enough time to establish jurisdiction to divorce may not be enough to establish jurisdiction for the children. Look up UCCJEA and home state jurisdiction.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
"Texas is the home state of the child. Texas is a child’s home state if the child lived there with a parent or person acting as a parent for at least six consecutive months immediately before the custody case was filed" - Your mileage may vary for other states
LockoutFFA@reddit
the edit 😂
llamawithglasses@reddit
Looking at the replies… real hard to understand why this guy needs to game the system to not pay alimony 😂😂😂
Refurbished1991@reddit
Diabolical.
GreenOvni009@reddit
And remember, don’t get married if u don’t want to lose everything. There is no love. Only business and business is booming.
IllIIllIlIIl@reddit
Lol constantly crying and repeating yourself that alimony is theft just shows what a low iq and simple mind you have. The situation is far too complicated due you to grasp
ChemTrades@reddit
Getting married just makes it more expensive to break up.
Schouwer@reddit
Expert you say? Hi Ross
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Pivot!
Restless__Dreamer@reddit
We were on a break!!!
AlternativePoet3943@reddit
🍿
weinsteinspotplants@reddit
I think some of the hate your getting is because you started out by saying you've been divorced several times. And your edit still only explains one shitty one. But this seems like sounds advice for that situation.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
It's ULPT, I wasn't expecting to talk about the abuse because it's not exactly easy to.
I have two previous marriages, but I was married super early and we were just kids. My second cheated, she was sorry, and we were attempting to reconcile, but there's no marriage without trust and so like normal adults we went separate ways.
My two other ex-wives and I actually get along beautifully and I'm friends with their boyfriends. I've even taken a road trip with one of the boyfriends, and I was at his dad's funeral and his kid's graduation. There is nothing toxic about those relationships, we're normal adults who co-parent.
I don't mind the hate. It appears people feel strongly about needing to support one's ex-spouse after a marriage is dissolved. Here's an Ethical Pro Life Tip: if you feel like you still need that other person's income to sustain a lifestyle, you either do your best to stay with that person, you get a job, or you drop your lifestyle down a few notches.
weinsteinspotplants@reddit
No hate from me, just stating the obvious about others I guess. Sorry about your situations. I appreciate the value of your advice to others.
Me; I've never married at 44 and never will for precisely these kind of reasons.
nopalitzin@reddit
But doesn't that mean you are not getting money for taking care of those kids? Isn't she now free as a bird? It was probably her plan all along.
So how many children live with you after all those several divorces?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Two are grown. That was life long ago, and things were bad. She has never paid a cent of child support, but these days she and I are friends and she at least gets them a birthday gift every year. I will not go after her for child support.
I didn't move states to pull this ULPT, though. The moving part was someone else I know whose ex screwed her.
SkeeevyNicks@reddit
Gross.
TheMightyWill@reddit
/r/lostredditors
Juliette787@reddit
Sooooo…. How does one incorporate liquid ass and piss disk on this ULPT?
genericnewlurker@reddit
Keep the old house from selling by proper application of liquid ass and piss disks, thus delaying your soon-to-be ex even longer
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
Ex-spouses was thereby awarded half of the OP's liquid ass and piss disk stash, regretfully
palmsinmypalms@reddit
I think this is a solid tip. Got more tips?
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
definitely more to come. People aren't gonna like it, though 😎
Consistent-Error-159@reddit
This is the root of many cases of parental alienation. Do not do this if you value your kids’ long term mental health. Honestly people.
thirdcoasting@reddit
I agree — my Dad went full asshole at every opportunity during my parents’ divorce. I was old enough to really understand what he was doing. I completely cut off all contact with him. I only briefly got in touch with him because he was dying.
MediumFuckinqValue@reddit (OP)
You would be wrong to not take your children away from an abusive and neglectful parent.
i-piss-excellence32@reddit
Now this is the kind of ulpt we need here
Gungirlyuna@reddit
Remember to filter by controversial
Crash_Stamp@reddit
This is what I came here for.
beerbaron105@reddit
I mean, if it's gonna be that bad, then you don't have to pay alimony if they aren't "around" anymore. This is ULPT after all, plenty of Pacific islands to start over, lol
HauntedDIRTYSouth@reddit
Yall forget what sub this is. Weaklings
KungFuHamster@reddit
Yikes.