Who do you believe did this to America?
Posted by SnooOnions3776@reddit | EndlessWar | View on Reddit | 62 comments
Posted by SnooOnions3776@reddit | EndlessWar | View on Reddit | 62 comments
Life_Bridge_9960@reddit
I can't say for the whole event. But the twin towers going down is the work of controlled demolition by very top experts in the industry. They may have secretly planned and setup this long before the event.
It is not hard to imagine. If you light a match, the tip is burning, but your fingers holding the stick is safe because the temperature is very different in both ends. Steel may transfer heat better. But you are talking about a little fire in the top 100 floor can melt steel so evenly from bottom to top as well? It is physically impossible.
What possible is how they meticulously planned placement of precise explosives and also control the sequence they explode (not necessarily all at once). And the fact that both towers go down the same way is even less possible. How can miracle happen twice?
No terrorist organization is influential enough to come in and plant 100s of explosives without raising the attention of the security team.
shoesofwandering@reddit
You don’t know how buildings are demolished. Everyone who was there that day would have seen the explosives, wires, and other equipment.
Life_Bridge_9960@reddit
I see. Why didn't these towers fall to one side and crush other buildings? Why is it so miraculously fall straight down on its own?
shoesofwandering@reddit
The fuel from the planes weakened the central columns which held up the building. Once one floor collapsed, it fell onto the floors below and pancaked them. Unlike many other buildings, the WTC towers' load-bearing elements were in the center, with the floors cantilevered out from them. It would have been more difficult to get them to fall over sideways. If the goal was mass destruction, why would anyone have cared if they fell over?
So what's your theory, that 30,000 people were paid off to not mention the explosives, wires, and detonators? That the explosives were installed in the walls when the buildings were constructed in case they'd have to be demolished in the future?
Life_Bridge_9960@reddit
Not 30,000. Maybe just someone in the security team. Face it, most people will never question some kind of construction crew or technical crew working in the building. They will question the hardware installed there. If you do, you are causing trouble and the security will threaten to kick you out of the building.
Pay attention to what you are saying: all 110 floors just collapse nicely on their own and the whole building went straight down not falling on 1 side? It can happen with a 3 story apartment complex, not 110 stories.
IncendiaryB@reddit
Nah man you’re on some schizo shit if you really believe that. Just let go of any preconceived-conditioned ideas and look at the collapse footage. It was an uncontrolled jet fuel fire combined with the impact of the planes at extremely high speeds which weakened the structures causing them to collapse. Why go through all that trouble of planting a network of complex wiring and explosives when you could just hijack two PASSENGER AIRLINERS for go nothing basically?
nickmalthus@reddit
Don't believe your lying eyes.
Life_Bridge_9960@reddit
Do you realize how much control demolition costs? 20 millions per building at the size of Twin tower. Demolition engineers at this level get paid 150k-200k salary easily.
Why do they need to do this if all they have to do is to set fire to the top of the building, and building will obediently go down without hitting other buildings?
The planes are just scapegoat they can blame on.
Colzach@reddit
This is ridiculous conspiracy and misinformation. Stop peddling this lie. It’s been debunked for decades.
Life_Bridge_9960@reddit
Debunked by whom???? Who can explain controlled demolition as a natural occurrence?
It is a hard industry. A tiny failure in calculation means catastrophic consequences, costing millions of dollars. They got 1 shot, no redo. This makes rocket science seems easy.
Here is a video clip of how controlled demolition failed. Yes, after meticulous planning, they can still fail.
https://youtu.be/xn7yNuIQxyI?si=EPHl0PhBX0wLhSSL
darkpsychicenergy@reddit
Not twice, but thrice.
jupiter_0505@reddit
To be honest, i don't really think it matters who did it. Imperialist powers always find some incident to provoke/justify their wars against eachother. Sometimes its an inside job, sometimes it isn't. At the end of the day, there's gonna be an imperialist war when the contradictions say so. So, it doesn't matter who did it, and i honestly don't care.
NoMoreWordsToConquer@reddit
Excuse me? It absolutely matters who did it, because September 11th was used as an excuse for an illegal multinational invasion of Iraq, the obliteration of its infrastructure, looting of its national museums, the rape and abuse of its civilians (go look at the Abu Ghraib pictures) and creating a massive power vacuum in the Middle East.
Germany was made to pay reparations for WWI; js the U.S. going to pay reparations for the damage it caused AND return the money it stole from the Iraqi national treasury? Are you going tot ale care of the orphaned children? What about the kids born sick from white phosphorous used there?
jupiter_0505@reddit
It matters who did the september 11 attacks... Why, exactly? Let's say it wasn't an inside job and that iraq or saudi arabia or whatever did it. What would that change? Would the death and destruction the war caused to the iraqi people be more justifieable? No, it would not. Even if iraq was the one that declared war, and the US was the "defender" and the same thing ended up happening in the end, it still wouldn't matter. I would still condemn the actions of the US. What you are doing here is that you are making a connection between the iraqi government and its people that does not exist. No matter what the bourgeois government does, the proletarians under that government are never at fault. And that's why it doesn't matter. Whether iraq or the US did 9/11, my position on the war would be the exact same. Nothing would change. Because I don't harbor the petit bourgeoisie point of view where i compare nations based on how oppressed their petit bourgeoisie is. I couldn't care less about those people.
NoMoreWordsToConquer@reddit
Are you for real? Why does it matter who did ANY crime then? By your logic, the justice system should not matter because who cares the victim died?
Go back and read what I wrote. The identity of the culprit matters because they need to be held accountable for: (1) the deaths of thousands of American civilians (2) a coordinated lie for multiple militaries to illegally invade the sovereign nation of Iraq (remember the pictures of “WMD trucks” Colin Powell whined about at the UN that were fake?) with millions dead (3) subsequent drone campaigns in Pakistan and Afghanistan that killed civilians and left kids orphaned, fueling radicalism
Accountability matters because the Iraqi civilians, American civilians, Afghani civilians and Pakistani civilians deserve justice.
Accountability matters because false flags will happen again and again until the perpetrators see consequences.
If accountability doesn’t matter, why we’re the Nazis and Mussolini sentences to death?
jupiter_0505@reddit
Again you are making a connection between the iraqi government and the iraqi people that doesn't exist. Read my comment again. Even if the iraqi government did it, the iraqi people wouldn't have done it, so they wouldn't be at fault. I don't understand what's so complicated about this
NoMoreWordsToConquer@reddit
What’s complicated is that Iraq was not involved when Secretary of State Colin Powell swore on an international stage that they were, leading to the loss of millions of lives.
This is catastrophic and unacceptable. If God forbid, your family was killed or raped, as happened to Iraqi civilians by private security companies like Black Rock, I doubt you would be so cavalier.
What is so complicated about demanding that accountability and repartition laws apply to everyone?
jupiter_0505@reddit
I absolutely condemn the actions of the US on iraq. Nothing anyone can say to me will change my opinion about that. But i will not defend the state of iraq either. A capitalist state is reactionary and i do not care in the slightest about what happens to one of them.
Also if you think that there can be true international law in a capitalist world you are naive. The UN is NATO aligned as it is funded mostly by western countries. Follow the money.
cjbagwan@reddit
And depleted uranium
Listen2Wolff@reddit
The Zionist neocons who made up PNAC who wrote about America needing a New Pearl Harbor
Look them up. Wolfowitz, Krystol stand out.
UlfinBedwere@reddit
Rumsfeld's Sept 10th speech about pentagon bureaucracy having $2,300,000,000,000.00 unaccounted for always struck me as a bit sus.
Salazarsims@reddit
Then the accounting staff got hit by that missile… I mean airplane.
shoesofwandering@reddit
It wasn’t the Jews. It was the Blacks.
Listen2Wolff@reddit
Ha, Ha, Ha.
sailinganalyst@reddit
The owner of the towers redid his insurance in July 2001. He argued that if both towers were destroyed that it was 2 events and therefore would get two settlements 😉😎
preinj33@reddit
What benifit was that to him though? Two separate settlements instead of one bigger settlement to the value of both losses
Negative-Coyote-9244@reddit
The benefit was establishing the US as a security state and make billions off the claims
preinj33@reddit
I'm not disputing any of that just confused about the insurance thing, anyway sorry I asked now ;(
Negative-Coyote-9244@reddit
😂😂 no bad questions
Sad-Arachnid-5166@reddit
PNAC was the retooled; A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David & Meyrav Wurmser (Dick Cheney) for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
AnxiousMax@reddit
Google "safari club."
shoesofwandering@reddit
It was done by 19 al Qaeda members. Due to their construction, the buildings collapsed.
KareEmanuel@reddit
Self inflicted.
DjWalru007@reddit
I like how all the comments saying “Zionists” did it are indistinguishable from far right Nazis posting happy merchant memes. If you’re going to be bigoted just be open about it. Say “I think Jews control the world” instead of being a pussy and hiding behind plausible deniability
Sad-Arachnid-5166@reddit
10 months of witnessing Gaza buildings fall into their footprint (including the 2021 AP Office Tower) its a mystery?
afungalmirror@reddit
It was the people who hijacked the planes who did it. Why would I have any other opinion?
Fantomas1717@reddit
The mongols from mongolia.
TheLegandrySuperArab@reddit
Terrorists did it. Americans allowed it and expanded on it. Israelis are the designer,cause that only benefits them,and no,Saudis are allies with usa,they have an OK relationship.
Y45NXx@reddit
“If I speak I am in big trouble”
One_Ad2616@reddit
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals,and Bin Laden financed it.
Professional_Big2890@reddit
Some dead fuckers...
Heyheyitssatll@reddit
Terrorists did. I was among them in Afghanistan when they celebrated it.
-HunterLES@reddit
American foreign policy and Saudi Arabia
W5_TheChosen1@reddit
Sums it up pretty well imo.
No_Lack747@reddit
Mossad
littlepsyche74@reddit
Israeli in conjunction with the US Government and the Saudis.
neversummmer@reddit
Bin Laden admitted to such
ExtHD@reddit
Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks
There were, however, a couple of imposters used by the US government in videos in later years that claimed responsibility. If you watch those videos carefully you can clearly see they are not bin Laden. Most people were taken in by them though.
y2kbear@reddit
WTC7 …
Seputku@reddit
Kyle Broflofski
v11s11@reddit
the janitor
Haunting-Tradition40@reddit
Nice try, Mossad.
kef34@reddit
Their own greed and disregard for any laws of gods and men in pursuit of profits for their country's shareholders
FuckChipman1776@reddit
The dancing Israelis
Marquis_de_Crustine@reddit
A clique of barons who'd worked since the Church Committee to move intelligence operations to a network of private companies that transcend states and legislative paper trails.
American, British, Saudi, French, Israel, Saudi etc operatives are all part of this diffuse network but none are directly part of an organisation to avoid a smoking gun. It's a compartmentalisation of deep state interests from a public perspective that only makes sense within the social networks of the power elite.
The current collapse in the west is a power struggle within this world after their revolution of the 80s. The revolution destroyed the industrial base of the states they thought themselves above and now they're splintering now that China is filling the gap their economics led to
NoMoreWordsToConquer@reddit
Confident omission of Israel
NoMoreWordsToConquer@reddit
The Zionist hate project. Go look up Bush’s cabinet, many were Zionist
Chicken_Crotch_Pie@reddit
If you travel outside the West, especially the middle east and you don't look American (non-white) or pretend you're Canadian (or some other plausible nationality) you'll get to see what people really think about it.
Opinions range from "they had it coming" to "they deserved it" for causing trouble and starting wars all over the place.
Ok_East4664@reddit
Mossad
cablemigrant@reddit
Saudis
Old_Intactivist@reddit
We all know who did it .... but we dare not identify the guilty party.
M0RALVigilance@reddit
Assholes.