ACARS message that went out in the New York airspace on September 11, 2001
Posted by DharmaDemocracy@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 512 comments
Posted by DharmaDemocracy@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 512 comments
VR_Bummser@reddit
I was at the german military at that time. We had a written test to do. At one point the company sarge came into the classroom and wrote on the board: "An Allie Has Been Attacked!"
sciguy52@reddit
And during Operation Eagle Assist German AWACS were flying in U.S. skies to help protect the U.S.
One of the Germans on the AWACS commented something like "it was an honor to help protect America" or something like that. Thank you Germany. Meant a lot.
Suitable_Safety2226@reddit
Holy crap, did you still need to finish your test? I imagine some must’ve rushed through to figure out what was going on.
catoodles9ii@reddit
Wow I can’t even imagine. Sometime after the attacks last, my mom wrote a letter to the editor of the Boston Globe. We spent a lot of time in Winthrop MA, which is right in the final approach for Boston’s Logan Airport. I grew up sitting on a seawall watching the planes come in and it always made me want to be a pilot. Link below. It was strange seeing no planes coming in…
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SodamessNCO@reddit
It was a strange time. I grew up in Oakland CA, right under the eastbound SIDs out of SFO, planes would be about 6-8000ft overhead constantly throughout the day. When all the airspace shut down, there was nothing, it was very weird.
Darksirius@reddit
A studied showed that the average temp over the US for the three days of no planes dropped the temp by two degrees because there were no contrails to keep heat in the atmosphere.
5DollarJumboNoLine@reddit
There was a Canadian research team studying whales in the north Atlantic on 9/11. They didn't know about the attacks, but their studies showed whales were abnormally happy. Elevated levels of certain hormones and making sounds they had never heard. Since nearly all planes were grounded and ships anchored at port, the ocean was quiet for the first time in nearly a century.
Darksirius@reddit
Woah, that's interesting. Where ships also ordered to drop anchor or remain at port nationwide? Don't think I've ever heard of that.
5DollarJumboNoLine@reddit
Necro posting while drunk and going thru my old comments
I think ships had to remain at port. And now that I'm thinking about it I think I have the story wrong. It was probably a smaller research sub studying humpbacks off a bigger ship and they didn't know what was happening while in the small vessel. I say that because James Cameron made his first trip to the Titanic on 9/11 and wasn't informed until he surfaced because they didn't want to cause panic in the sub. Bill Paxton was the one who broke the news to Cameron.
Darksirius@reddit
That I didn't know. Thanks for the update!
stargazerfromthemoon@reddit
I’ve never heard that story before. That’s super humbling and sad.
BupeTheSnoot@reddit
I really doubt that. The sky is incomprehensibly huge. There’s no way passenger jet exhaust could have a two-degree effect.
hiyeji2298@reddit
It’s a real thing but highly dependent on background atmospheric conditions. September is usually when the contrails start up again after reducing in summer.
ballerina22@reddit
I lived under one of the takeoff vectors from IAD. The silence was deafening. I hadn't realized just how much I'd normalized the sound of planes.
bullsnake2000@reddit
I’m a rural resides in the Texas Panhandle. Flights between Dallas and Amarillo fly over all day.
The Big Texas Sky was EMPTY.
This was 4 days before my 30th birthday.
Abeliafly60@reddit
I vividly remember how quiet the skies were over the SF Bay Area after 9/11, and then every few hours one plane would fly over. I don't know for sure but at the time I assumed it was a US military plane on patrol. It was somehow reassuring, like, they are watching out for us. (Does anybody know if there were regular patrol flights on the west coast?)
Widdleton5@reddit
There were set ups of primarily national guard F15s and F16s that became normal by the 9/12 all over major cities. There is a crazy story about two F16 pilots (I forget their names) but they were the first jets scrambled to take out Flight 93. They rushed their preflight and took off without armaments. They intended to Suicide themselves into the hijacked plane with one aiming for the tail and the other aiming for the cockpit. The passengers rushed the cockpit by the time they got there and the plane crashed into a field.
One of the pictures my dad made note of (he was a naval aviator at the time but leanring at the War College across the street from the Pentagon) was an F14 Tom at behind a civilian airliner as it landed before the F14 went back up to "escort" the next plane.
One of the most controversial decisions made at the time was the order to take out Flight 93 was given by the White House which at the time was Headed by Dick Cheney. Now the VP does not have any command of the military. That is solely the responsibility of the President. So that would be an illegal order. However after cross examining the times Bush spoke with Cheney it became obvious Cheney was giving the order as directed by the President. Bush was on Air Force 1 and did not know of he would have contact with the White House at all times so he told his VP to order all civilian aircraft grounded or they were to be shot down.
It remains one of the craziest and enormous days in world history. The more you follow the crazier it goes
LearningToFlyForFree@reddit
I made a similar comment today in r/flying. I grew up on final for 31C at MDW. The silence was the most eerie thing about that whole day after living in the same house for 8 years with planes coming into land dozens of times each day. The quiet was only punctuated one time that day when a Guard CAP flight flew by the house and scared the shit out of me.
SafeAtFirstRN@reddit
Also grew up under an approach path. I distinctly remember my mom commenting about how quiet the skies were for those few days.
TheWarDoctor@reddit
Dang. I'm related to him.
gymnastgrrl@reddit
Still on vacation? :)
I'm not meaning to stalk, just having fun following up just because. I mean, I'm curious, but it's not a big deal. :)
TheWarDoctor@reddit
No. Talked with my cousin, she gets the impression that it's not a topic he wants to talk about. I didn't pry, but I think he knew some people on one of the flights just due to the nature of his job at the time. In thinking on it, I don't know what more I expected he would be able to add to context than the words you see on that announcement. Just so odd see someone I had in my life on a piece of history like that, but I'm not going to pressure him.
Only thing I can add is he has always been the fun uncle. When I was going through a particularly rough patch, he helped put things in perspective about loss, and that with enough effort I could rebuild anything, and I knew he had been through similar losses so I trusted that. And he wasn't wrong.
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SameScale6793@reddit
Wow what a message. Was in 11th grade when 9/11 happened. I remember that day vividly like it was yesterday, especially because at the time I had just received my private pilots license a week prior. I wanted to fly professionally but now work in IT. But still fly as a hobby and that day will forever be etched in my memory
mouse_dot_exe@reddit
God bless you. Those horrifying words all the pilots saw.
samaramatisse@reddit
The ATC audio is being played on Scanner Radio FDNY channel. I've listened several times over the years.
The confusion is interesting and heartbreaking.
DharmaDemocracy@reddit (OP)
I'm not even American, but I find it really hard to see or hear anything related to 9/11. So much horror.
Peralton@reddit
This one is worth watching:
Boatlift 9/11
Short documentary narrated by Tom Hanks. Details how hundreds of boats, tugboats, ferries, private boats and party boats, all came together to help evacuate people from Manhattan.
It was the largest sea evacuation in history. Larger than Dunkirk.
AskMrScience@reddit
That was really moving. One Coast Guard call over the radio and EVERYONE with a boat showed up. And worked together to evacuate half a million people in just 9 hours. Truly humanity at its best.
ethanjf99@reddit
the whole city came together that day.
i was walking to my parents apartment as no subways, buses etc. passed by lenox hill hospital and saw a line out the ER doors. asked what it was and it was told they were waiting to donate blood. i got on line. within 30 minutes that line had looped all the way around the block — nearly 1/4 mile of people. i was near the front so i saw the nurse come out of the doors with a clipboard, ans red eyes. “we won’t be needing any of you today. if you want put your contact info here and we will call you if that changes.” big burly biker guy behind me started sobbing as we all absorbed what that meant.
a day or so later i got a call from a lady in the UK. She knew what area codes corresponded to Manhattan and wS just randomly dialing numbers to tell people the UK was with them.
Later i saw video of the Queen’s Guard at Buckingham Palace playing the Star-Spangled Banner on her orders and i fuckin lost it and sobbed like a baby.
UhhmericanJoe@reddit
People kept trying to get on my yacht, but I’m a hedge fund manager and couldn’t have these plebeians scratching up my exotic word furnishings. Had to fire a few flares at the crowd.
…obviously kidding. Can’t even afford a scale model of a yacht. But I’m sure that’s how a few douches reacted.
LadyLeo88@reddit
Excuse me, I’m just gonna start sobbing now. When you mentioned the people lined up to donate blood, I lost it. It’s incredible how a city/country can come together in a time of need and crisis. No questions asked. The lady from the UK calling to make sure everyone was okay? Incredible. It is stories like these that make me realize humanity may not be “dead” after all. Just tucked away until it’s needed.
Peralton@reddit
I remember a news story that prisoners were offering to donate blood. One was quoted as saying "We're still Americans."
redditonc3again@reddit
I donate blood as often as permitted (4 or 5 times a year) and I really recommend everyone to do it! It's very easy and blood is always needed
anothergaijin@reddit
For a short moment, most of the world came together. But the stories out of New York were the most impressive.
Peralton@reddit
The call from the UK is so sweet
g-g-g-g-ghost@reddit
My dad was part of a volunteer fire department, they were staged by the coast guard to take injured people to hospitals when they arrived in boats. They were called off around 4 or 5pm and basically told that there were no injured coming, and everyone either made it out, or didn't. I can't imagine people being prepared to help injured people, and then being told there were no injured coming, not because there were no injuries, but because the injured were all either dead or walked out on their own
Peralton@reddit
I get emotional every time that part comes up.
"As soon as that call came over the radio...they were coming."
OliB150@reddit
Wow I’d actually never heard about this side of it, what a powerful story!
PeacefulCouch@reddit
If I recall, Dunkirk was 9 days or so, boatlift during 9/11 took less than 9 hours. Pretty amazing, and also a little saddening to think that those involved probably have respiratory issues now from their exposure to all the dust and debris.
lilschreck@reddit
My dad was part of this as an ER doc in NJ. He helped coordinate vessels and shuttles like that so that the mass casualties could be ferried out of the city and spread the demand over the greater area of healthcare providers so nyc didn’t get overwhelmed.
Everything came back empty from what I heard due to the fatality rate
Peralton@reddit
Everyone did their part. One of the worst moments in U.S. history brought out the best in the people that day.
Sticky_Bandit@reddit
I never heard of this before, thank you for sharing. After all these years, still finding out more from this tragic day.
Peralton@reddit
It's an uplifting story on a tragic day.
popereggie@reddit
Thank you for sharing this.
Finstagin@reddit
america has been doing that ever since, just overseas...
FloppieTheBanjoClown@reddit
And explaining it to young people is hard. No social media. Cellular systems that broke under the load. We literally lost our ability to talk to each other for half a day and relied entirely on TV and radio news to inform us, and they barely knew more than we did.
Rumors got reported first as rumors then repeated as facts before they were retracted hours later. People called into news shows faking credentials to tell lies in the midst of the first major national crisis we could remember. We expected a new attack around every corner. People anticipated truck bombs in other cities.
And in the midst of it all...we were there for each other. I saw the best of America in those days. People looked out for each other. Even our collective rage seemed purposeful and righteous at first. It wasnt hijacked until later.
Larnek@reddit
It was something. Dunno who said the quote but I think anyone who was an adult during it understands. OK, so I don't even know the exact quote, but anyways.. something along the lines of,
I would never want another 9/11, but I miss the America of 9/12.
ethanjf99@reddit
everything you say is true. can you imagine, though, the rumor cycle today? we live in an age when some fucking clown on Twitter can post a picture of a black guy holding a goose and a week later a presentisl nominee is spouting in a debate that Haitian immigrants are stealing pets to eat them.
shit if 9/11 happened again it would be batshit. frankly the terrorists would probably have a planned social media component to accompany the actual attack to post whatever bullshit they want to accomplish. i.e., say it’s Al-Qaeda again they’d probably be making g sure fake Twitter posts went live within minutes that air traffic control heard the pilot screaming “Death to Palestine Long Live Israe” or whatever right before the plane hit.
Due_Money_2244@reddit
Would you consider donating this to a museum?
yeswenarcan@reddit
It's one of those things that I think it's worth suffering through for the knowledge. I was 14 when 9/11 happened. Old enough to understand what was going on but not really understand the context or significance. Now that I'm older the context of living through an event that literally changed the entire world as we know it is there.
A few years ago I went to the 9/11 museum in NYC. While the scale of death is not nearly the same, the only thing I can compare it to is doing a deep dive on the Holocaust or visiting a Holocaust museum/camp. The magnitude of death and suffering is palpable.
That said, I think it's worth it to do a deep dive on things like this. I'm not by any means a cheerleader of the US, and I'm an atheist and humanist. But I think a really important part of human existence is internalizing not only the great things that humans can do, but the sheer horror we're capable of. Ignoring it "because it's too hard" just makes it easier for it to happen again.
rebelolemiss@reddit
I was 14 as well. My history teacher that day told us that this was our Pearl Harbor moment. How right the was, and, looking back, I thought he was old, but he was probably younger than you and I now. Wise man.
anothergaijin@reddit
I think that is extremely accurate - the death toll maybe wasn't that high, but the physical damage and psychological impact was massive, and the scale of the impact and response radically changed our lives. More than just the dead and injured, the shock and horror of the event is what burns it into our memories.
Strat7855@reddit
Our parents got Apollo 11. We got 9/11.
Complete-Fix-3954@reddit
I was 14, in American govt class when it all started. Seeing a few classmates get called out shortly after was harrowing - they had parents are the pentagon since we were in the DC area.
MagnusAlbusPater@reddit
I was in college during it. Saw the first plane hit on TV in the lounge before I had to go into class, all of us thinking it was a freak accident. By the time class ended and we came back out the real scope was evident.
We had a lot of students from NY at my university so classes were shut down for several days. I had friends in the city and drove up to see them several weeks later and you could still see the dust cloud in the sky.
I went to the memorial museum this year and it is chilling.
mariantat@reddit
Our American cousins took us to nyc and we visited the 911 museum. It is by far one of the most heartbreaking and haunting experiences I’ve ever had. I burst into tears at the monument after seeing that.
Skandronon@reddit
It also really was the end of a whole way of life. It's weird talking to adults at work who weren't old enough to remember not just 9/11 but the whole way society operated at least in North America. In no way was it perfect, but there was hope that seems missing now.
ethanjf99@reddit
todays shower thought i had. if you were say 4 years old on 9/11 you probably don’t remember it.
which means there were a number of 15 year olds somewhere in the US who can’t remember 9/11 who had a kid in, say, 2012. come 2027 those kids will be 15 and teen pregnancy often runs in families. odds are high that in three years time if not before there will be at least one living GRANDPARENT who does not remember 9/11.
Skandronon@reddit
Good lord that is quite the shower thought!
PoxyMusic@reddit
I've had to put it away in a box. Not going to forget of course, but I spent too much time wallowing in it. Life has to go on.
ZamanthaD@reddit
I used to consume everything 9/11 related for the better part of a decade after it happened, all footage no matter who recorded it was too unbelievable and shocking that it was fascinating to watch. It’s all really insane footage. Every August/September is when all sorts of these 9/11 documentaries would air and I would inadvertently get hooked on watching them. But around 2008ish when they were coming back on at that time of year again, I got like 20 minutes into the first one I watched I suddenly got really depressed watching it and I actively avoided watching any more of those documentaries ever since.
Long_Procedure3135@reddit
I used to watch them a lot but I dunno, I had 2 years where I was experimenting with LSD and had one bad trip that really fried the hell out of my brain so bad it deleted my eating disorder and completely changed my life, but that’s a different story.
But I started watching all again after frying my brain and just the entire event was just so much more… crazy to me. Even the fact that it happened, it was such a… brilliant plan on the terrorists side. They really captured every kind of horror in the worst way and probably didn’t even envision it would go the way it did… the people jumping… the buildings falling down…. the terror of thinking any plane above us could be a missile….
I watch some of the footage and think the people hanging out of the windows are the last people that lived in only a pre-9/11 world…. and probably has absolutely no idea what the fuck was even happening
Then there’s such a fucking line in the sand of pre-9/11 and post-9/11 not just for us but the whole world.
I also find it insane still how vividly I remember that day even as a dumbass 10 year old in the Midwest.
WickedLilThing@reddit
Look back but don't stare.
Spaff_in_your_ear@reddit
It wouldn't rank in the top 50 most violent incidents the US has inflicted on their countries.
Rgmisll@reddit
Source?
vt2nc@reddit
Thanks for your sympathy ❤️🩹
mister_peeberz@reddit
Got a link? Curious to have a listen after work
Alfredo_BE@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKNkyN57UTk
NorthernSparrow@reddit
Wow, that last ten minutes - at the time United 93 crashed, the US military was within minutes of shooting down any plane that didn’t divert course on command. I’ve always heard about that, but never heard the audio before of the actual order.
And hearing them progressively grasp the seriousness of the situation - less than an hour from “is this a drill or is this real world?” to “wait, did you say a second plane has hit, can you confirm?” to “Somebody’s gonna have to make a decision in the next ten minutes” to “Shoot down any plane headed to a major city that does not divert on command.”
And this surreal exchange: “United 93 is down.” “He’s down?? When did he land?” “He didn’t land.” “Oh… he’s down…”
shwaga@reddit
To make it even crazier theyvkost 93 for awhile and the 2 jets they sent to take 93 down were sent after it unarmed with orders to take it out of the air by any means.
Majestic-Scheme87@reddit
And adding to this, the pilots were interviewed last year, one was a mom, and she teared up explaining that she knew the only was to take down 93 without weapons was to strike her bird into the tail of 93.. and she had accepted that she would have to do that.
blackglum@reddit
It’s been awhile since I last listened. But imagine being in the tower as all this is going down and you need to scramble fighter jets. Who do you even go to for that request. Must have felt unreal.
RyzinEnagy@reddit
Our lack of a "YO GET YOUR FIGHTER JETS IN THE AIR NOW" procedure is why 9/11 happened. Listening to ATC calling Air Force, over a telephone, and the woman on the other line sounding incredulous, asking for exact coordinates that ATC didn't have because the transponder was turned off, and in zero rush to do anything, is the most frustrating thing to listen to regarding that day.
AFrozen_1@reddit
For what it’s worth I don’t think anything of this scale was something you could really plan for. Prior to 9/11, most hijackings were isolated incidents either of terrorism or disgruntled airline employees.
Goodperson5656@reddit
I’d guess the FAA air traffic control system command center in Vint Hill Farms, Virginia, who can then call NORAD/the military
gwhh@reddit
Can we get a link to that?
mlorusso4@reddit
I remember watching a documentary where they were interviewing transatlantic pilots who were over the Atlantic at the time of the attacks. Back then, pilots apparently had a bit more leeway with ATC. When those European flights were coming in range of Canada/New England ATC told them to turn around or land immediately in Canada. One pilot said he had plenty of fuel to make it to his destination on the west coast so he’ll just continue on. ATC responded along the lines of “American airspace is closed. If you disobey my instructions you will be shot down”. Could you imagine that coming over the radio and not knowing what was happening on the ground?
unclefire@reddit
Tons of planes landed in Gander. That used to be refueling airport in the days before planes could easily make the trip across the Atlantic. Now it’s an ATC station for x Atlantic flights. The people of gander banded together to help all the stranded passengers.
oztheories@reddit
Same as for Halifax and St John’s Newfoundland. Infact those places fed the crew and pax during 9/11 and the titanic disaster.
in_for_the_comments@reddit
It's also a very common stop for military aircraft that need fuel before making the oceanic crossing. The town was swarmed with so many people that the locals had to open their doors to complete strangers. I've flown through Gander 100s of times.
There's a book about it.
CryOnTheWind@reddit
They made a musical about it. Come from Away.
UnfortunateSnort12@reddit
Apple TV+ has a recording of the musical. It is great story telling, good music, and awesome production. I didn’t know the story, but now I do, and they managed to find positive light in the tragedy, like the enduring human spirit and helping others. Can’t say enough good things about that musical.
johnfromunix@reddit
Thanks, I’ll take a gander at it!
CreativeUsernameUser@reddit
I see what you did there
CryOnTheWind@reddit
And it’s all taken from interviews done with the real people who were there.
soulreaverdan@reddit
My wife and I got to see a production of it last year, and it was an incredibly powerful show. Uses a very minimal set/cast to convey multiple characters and settings.
shicken684@reddit
Second. It's phenomenal.
Mikelowe93@reddit
Tom Brokaw and NBC had a good long story about it too.
PutOptions@reddit
I saw it on Broadway. Great musical.
unclefire@reddit
I mentioned this to my wife and she says, yeah I’ve seen it. She has season tickets for shows and I guess that one came to town at some point.
destruction_potato@reddit
I saw a translated version a few weeks ago ! It’s an amazing musical
cyanical@reddit
On your rec I watched it today. Thanks for the great call; it was well done.
Conscious_Raisin_436@reddit
The landers encountered a gander band of helping hands
cat_astr0naut@reddit
Just read about that story! It was a tiny city, less than 10 thousand, and they received over 7000 passengers and crew. The city came together with food, clothes, places to sleep. Some opened up their own homes, including the Mayor at the time. If terrorist attacks show the worse of humanity, this generosity is some of the best
christoval@reddit
Halifax (Standfield intl) did as well. The people that landed in halifax were put up in high schools and looked after till they could get sorted out/were allowed to fly to the US, etc.. I was in grade 11 then, and while the school was closed for that reason, we all helped out to make them (hopefully) feel a little better.
gMadMaxg@reddit
I've dabbled in Gander. Great time.
luckyxena@reddit
My step daughters and their mom were inbound from Europe and spent a couple days in Gander. The stories and spirit of the musical is real. It honestly makes me cry thinking about it to this day. Bless every one of those kind people.
TacticalVirus@reddit
North Bay Ontario was the closest runway north of Pearson that could take things like 747s, so it was weird to see that many big birds in the sky when it only ever had the occasional dash8, herc, or f18 flying through. People only talk about Gander though for some reason.
Balmong7@reddit
Gander gets mentioned a lot because the number of passengers that landed there was essentially the same number of people that lived there.
Icy__Bird@reddit
https://youtu.be/SHQMa2jt9Bc&t=17m48s
This kinda covers the whole tension pretty well. Highly recommend the full podcast.
sharakus@reddit
wow. that’s chilling
ShallNot_Pass@reddit
Damn that gave me goosebumps
meyou2222@reddit
Most human readable ACARS message ever
swoodshadow@reddit
Touching History was an interesting book about 9/11 from the pilot and ATC perspective. Worth a read for anyone that finds things like this interesting.
ShallNot_Pass@reddit
This one is one I read a few years ago and it has stuck with me.
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ShallNot_Pass@reddit
Thank you for the recommendation. I always try to find a new book on 9/11 to read this time of year.
circusgeek@reddit
I was a college student at NYU, standing at Houston and Laguardia Place staring at the burning towers. And someone had their car stereo turned up all the way on 1010 wins news. When they said the Pentagon was hit and there were 5 more planes in the air. At the time they thought there were a lot more. The feeling of everything in my body dropping to my feet. Ugh. I will never forget that.
life_hog@reddit
I don’t think anyone who wasn’t alive then understands how surreal this day was. It was a complete sucker punch and changed the world for the worse.
knomie72@reddit
I imagine Pearl Harbor felt the same
life_hog@reddit
I think the nation understood we were at war to some degree, just the entrance was unexpected.
AFrozen_1@reddit
I was alive for it but unfortunately I have no memories of it since I was all of 3 years old at the time. Although my mom talks about how scary it was when they heard the sonic booms of the F-16s going supersonic to escort Air Force 1 back to Washington.
Rtbrd@reddit
Holy shit, excuse me while I go empty my pants.
Americanairlines737@reddit
Anyone got any info on the air Canada aircraft the ACARS mentioned? I’ve never heard of this.
collinsl02@reddit
There were loads of rumours flying about at the beginning of the incident. Some people even thought it was a British Airways plane which hit first.
Americanairlines737@reddit
Ah yeah. Correct me if I’m wrong but I also think there was a rumor involving a delta plane.
Emory_C@reddit
I was a freshman in college in Boston that day. Only a few days away from my parents. One of my clearest memories is being outside on the Boston Common with everyone after the planes hit and airspace was cleared...
Suddenly we all heard the unmistakable roar of jet engines. Everyone looked up, really scared. Was it another plane we hadn't known about?
Suddenly, four fighter jets flew overhead. "Thank God," someone said. "They're ours."
The fighter jets were protecting the city of Boston from foreign attack. Back then, I never thought I'd ever see that.
Stellarella90@reddit
The Massachusetts Air National Guard were the first to make it to NY airspace that day. A pair of F-15s. The Minuteman they bear on their tails was terribly appropriate. I can't imagine being one of those pilots.
godddamnit@reddit
I don’t know why, but your second to last line hit me harder emotionally than anything else in the thread.
Iamthelizardqueen52@reddit
Yep, I have a distinct memory of F-16s as well, though a different area. I was in the RenCen, the tallest building in downtown Detroit and GM headquarters. At night on that first night we walked outside it was immediately unnerving how the sky was so still and empty....except for the 2 pairs of F-16s circling the city.
But it took at least a full minute or two, with racing heartbeats, before we figured out what they were, especially with the way the sound echoed off the river water, it sounded like there were more and that they were a lot closer. They just circled and watched over us all night that night and the following few nights, and we felt so grateful.
I guess they were probably there during the day as well, but it wasn't as noticeable with all the other city sounds. But at night, especially that first night, it was a bittersweet and spooky sound that's difficult to describe.
Ataneruo@reddit
I was also in college in Boston that day. I stopped watching the news at some point and went outside and shortly thereafter saw the same two jets. It was so surreal. I will never forget that day.
Emory_C@reddit
In hindsight, it's a little easy to forget just how damn confusing and terrifying that days was...especially now that the world (in general) seems to be pretty much always confusing and terrifying.
PeacefulCouch@reddit
I talked to family friend, a retired Air Force Colonel, and he said he saw the towers fall while he was deployed to Korea, but was told pretty much the moment he rotated back to the States that he was going overseas with his squadron to Saudi Arabia. Officially, they were deploying to support Operation Southern Watch, but he said everyone knew what was about to happen. Once they were in Saudi Arabia he said everyone was in a combat mentality and just on edge constantly, knowing that armed conflict would break out, but not knowing when. He deployed at the beginning of January of 2003, and OIF, or the Iraq War, began in March of that year, so I can't imagine how stressful 2 months of constant readiness was.
He told me pretty much right after Bush began the invasion he was flying round the clock missions to hammer Iraqi targets, and the most surreal part was the 200 mile flight at night, seeing all the anti air in the distance through his night vision goggles, on the way to their area of operations over Iraq.
SwissCanuck@reddit
Had never heard the part about AC suspecting a “problem” before. Anyone know what that was about?
9/11 is one of two days I’ll always think about. The only day I didn’t turn on the radio on my way to work. Found out what was happening when I got there. The only time I left my phone at home (iOS update was taking too long, didn’t want to brick the phone) my boss handed me his phone and I learned my father was dying. I’d have made it if I knew an hour earlier in the time it took my sister to find my businesses phone number in another country a world away and track down my boss.
I have never driven my car without the radio on or left the house without my phone since.
Random-Name29@reddit
The part that grabbed me about that line was the source, "reports" from CNN, so you have ATC quoting unconfirmed media reports. Just highlights the confusion as they realized something was very wrong and were trying to get a handle on it.
BackgroundGrade@reddit
Back then, Air Canada was the dominant airline in Canada and had many flights to New York as there were less options to Europe direct from Canada as today. Most of the flights would have been from YUL or YYZ, which I believe require a landing slot before departure. So AC might have got some early warnings that something was going on in NYC that appeared to be growing.
SwissCanuck@reddit
It clearly indicated that Air Canada had a suspected hijacking as well but was probably as other comments indicated referring to the Korean Air flight. The suspected problem was with them but in Canada.
santahat2002@reddit
Back then they didn’t want me, now I’m hot they all love me
MediocreSubject_@reddit
Iirc, There was a Korean air flight that had to be escorted via fighter jets to land in Canada from the west coast because of communication issues.
SwissCanuck@reddit
They said Air Canada, not Canada was having “issues” but you might be right with all the confusion going on. It could have been referring to that ultimately. Thanks for your response :)
God_Damnit_Nappa@reddit
Korean Airlines flight 085
Fighter pilots had permission to shoot it down if they didn't cooperate with their instructions since they thought it was hijacked too.
ThePatriotGames@reddit
I'm sorry for your loss.
SwissCanuck@reddit
What we found out about him after this could fill a novel but thanks anyway. You’re a good person for having that reaction :)
Kilopilop@reddit
Are you saying 9/11 happened because you didn't turn on the radio? Hmm...
Frostbeard@reddit
I wonder if that might have been about the Korean Air flight that had to land in Canada. It was bound for Anchorage but there was some confusion caused by an Australian passenger talking about what happened back East, and it resulted in the pilot sending a code to indicate a hijacking. Norad scrambled fighters and the flight was forced to land in Whitehorse. I lived in downtown Whitehorse at the time and saw it come in with a fighter on each wing. It was freaky.
Random-Name29@reddit
Chills reading this. The confusion and grasping for any information. I remember listening to some of the atc recordings, and pilots in the air reporting back to atc what they heard by tuning into the local news radio frequencies. I'm a little curious, do you know what time this was sent out?
bumwings@reddit
Wow. I occasionally save notable ACARS messages - I think the most recent was announcing that the Queen had died. I hope I never have anything like this to bring home.
ColorUserPro@reddit
What are some of your other saved messages?
bumwings@reddit
Ehhh I've got a fair few. Not especially comfortable sharing them on here though. Sorry, I know that's a drag.
ColorUserPro@reddit
No sweat, thanks for your honesty.
whalesalad@reddit
Why the fuck is the queen dying relevant to anyone
bumwings@reddit
It's the kind of thing that British people would want to know about when flying. I work for a British airline.
StillAFuckingKilljoy@reddit
Did you do a PA call out to let passengers know?
Mediocre-Catch9580@reddit
We should’ve nuked the Mideast the next day.
Sad-Bus-7460@reddit
I was in kindergarten when this happened. My parents tried to hide it from us because dad is an airline captain and we were absolutely daddy's girls. I apparently asked at some point in the following days if planes would fly into our school, though I don't remember asking that
jjckey@reddit
This hits close to home. I'm a pilot and my daughter was in kindergarten here in Canada. We picked her up from school, and we didn't have the TV on or discuss it all. The next day at school, all these kids who had been watching the news on CNN are talking about it, and my daughter breaks down in tears because she thought I might be on one of those planes. I had to go pick her up at school, she was inconsolable
Sad-Bus-7460@reddit
My dad was going to fly from Phoenix to Reno for the annual air races, mom was going to fly out the next day as my older sister went into labor one state over. Dad got the call from grandma telling him to turn on the TV, he tuned in in time to see the second tower fall. Obviously he couldn't work, nor could he go to reno (the races were canceled anyway as nothing was flying) so we were overjoyed to have dad home for like 5 extra days. Mom drove to my older sister (2hr flight vs 8hr drive)
LightningFerret04@reddit
I wasn’t born yet but I know as a kid, scary things feel like they’re always present, regardless of how things actually are. I remember crying after watching a documentary that explained that the sun will eventually explode because I thought it was happening like tomorrow
There was an episode of Arthur I saw as a re-run on PBS as a kid called “April 9th”. I wasn’t able to fully appreciate it at the time but the episode originally released in 2002 and was a response to the attacks using an allegory.
The episode involved a fire at the main character’s elementary school and followed each student as they experienced and coped with the situation and aftermath differently. Arthur’s dad, a caterer, was there when the fire happened, so after the fire Arthur starts to worry about his dad when he goes out for his catering business
Sad-Bus-7460@reddit
Yo I totally was upset about the sun exploding as a kid too
Chaxterium@reddit
I get shivers reading that.
9/11 was my first week of flight school. Insane that it’s been 23 years.
CaptainE46@reddit
Something about the spelling errors, knowing it was being typed as quickly as possible.
Luckynumberlucas@reddit
You can hear the slow and gradual shift from slight confusion to disbelief to utter panic on the ATC recordings from that day.
Same for most of the 911 or FDNY recordings.
It’s uncanny.
Fast_Juggernaut6685@reddit
What always gets me is the chirping of the PASS devices after the collapse and realizing every one you hear is a firefighter that didn't make it.
hugs-n-drugs@reddit
Some of the lesser known stories.
Heard this one a few years back. Two pilots scrambled without weapons knowing if they were "successful" they wouldnt survive but left anyway.
https://youtu.be/ISRRuqxa8TA?si=xzajDbaT543TyWEi
Echo_One_Two@reddit
That interview is so bullshit no wonder i didn't see it before hahaha.
Ignoring the fact that the biggest airforce in the world didn't have some damn weapons loaded planes ready .. with like 30+ minutes of warning which is a disgrace in itself..
The F16 carries training rounds at all times, the jets balance is all fucked up if they don't so they had other options besides ramming which is like the very very last resort.
Even with that training ammo they can easily bring that plane down and if they didn't have ammo they could have done close supersonic passes over the engines which would probably result in them stalling, if that failed as well then you can think about other options like actually making contact with the airliner.
They didn't take off to kamikaze into the jet just a bullshit hero story
hugs-n-drugs@reddit
Ehh it's referenced officially by the military. She continued to progress her career while publicly speaking about the event. Wasn't a secret.
There are long form interviews that discuss they went knowingly while others waited for munition loading. but no, they're not always loaded or ready.. they fly empty just fine.
Or you know.. that doesn't work and a couple more thousand people die
Echo_One_Two@reddit
They don't go empty.. i have a friend that flies them he was on the couch with me when i wrote my response. They don't fly without the weight of the ammo there be it the real deal or target practice ammo..
Ofc the army is gonna let her/ them tell their hero story it works for them ... Positive Publicity
There is an interesting out there where she actually said they had rounds in the 20 mm cannons both of them. But "we had to go knowing we won't come back" or "we had to kamikaze" does go better with the average folks
anothergaijin@reddit
Chilling, I still remember the confusion, panic and fear of the days after it happened.
I wonder if this changed domestic military policy and they have aircraft and crews on alert to scramble in armed aircraft now?
quesoandcats@reddit
This one gives me chills too. I believe their story is also in The Only Plane In the Sky. One of the pilots talks about how she and her wingman spent the flight debating whether they should bother trying to eject or not
Peralton@reddit
“I’m going to go for the cockpit,” Sass told her. “I’ll take the tail,” Lucky replied.
Heroic behavior.
Chenstrap@reddit
Here's radio comms from a bit later in the day when a pair of F-15s were scrambled. Later in the msg they're passed ROE instructions:
https://x.com/thenewarea51/status/1833849844076536165?s=46&t=1sdvW9jQEkJ_Dg2IDz3Oqw
JuniusPhilaenus@reddit
Every documentary has the same jarring ATC(?) recording..."United 93 is down" "He's down? When did he land?" "He did not land" "Oh, he's down...?"
jgilbs@reddit
Literally just heard that exchange on the scanner replay. You could hear the annoyance in her voice when she says "When did he land?!" like "wtf, why didnt you tell me he landed you idiot". When she realizes the plane crashed it sounded like she was in sheer disbelief and shock.
KerPop42@reddit
You go from assuming certain rules about how planes behave, to being reminded that in the end they're subject to the same physics as a falling apple
warmike_1@reddit
Kinda, but not really. If a plane loses all engine power, it can still glide a considerable distance and land safely, if a suitable landing ground is available nearby.
pm_me_your_minicows@reddit
It doesn’t even have to be that close. The longest passenger aircraft glide without engines was 65nmi.
RedBean9@reddit
Yep, all because of the same physics as a falling apple!
Vaerktoejskasse@reddit
To be fair, without that apple, gravity wouldn't exist.
Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA@reddit
Correct. Isaac Newton invented gravity in 1687.
Source: former science teacher.
PatMyHolmes@reddit
Wright Brothers would've had an easier time of it, if Isaac wouldn't have done that.
boltgunner@reddit
What a dick.
Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA@reddit
He died a virgin and was apparently pretty unpleasant…so, yeah…kinda.
tastycakea@reddit
How long were the tethers back then?
horsemayo@reddit
Gravity - It's the law
NoNameToShameWith@reddit
Without gravity the apple wouldn't exist
TranceF0rm@reddit
Well what happens when an apple loses engine power though?
xRolocker@reddit
Yea not the same physics. Isaac Newton was European, so the falling Apple uses metric Physics. Planes are American, so they use imperial Physics. The laws of physics depends on your local municipality, you see.
blootannery@reddit
i don't think it's fair to say that airplanes are not subject to the same laws of physics as apples
HorrorMakesUsHappy@reddit
Those are the same physics.
The fact that the apple and the airplane are shaped differently didn't change the physics.
KerPop42@reddit
yeah, I meant more that it's a physical object that is absolutely capable of hitting the ground, as opposed to following rules and directions to lower their landing gear and find a suitable patch of asphalt to come to a stop on
ban_circumvention_@reddit
Can you provide a link to whatever that is you're talking about? It sounds interesting.
westedmontonballs@reddit
Link pls
wetwater@reddit
I listened to that replay today as well. I heard bits and pieces of it over the years, but never all together and all at once.
homer_lives@reddit
I just arrived at work, and the radio dj mentioned "oh a plane hit the World Trade center. We should get more information on it." I thought it was a Cessna or small plane from his recation.
I then got out of my car and walked into work and figured I would check cnn.com to read what happened. I checked, and every news site would not load. I eventually found out what was happening on a Tech Message Board. That and a TV in our breaknroom were how a spent the day until I got home.
scattyboy@reddit
I was in 1wtc and on the way down the stairs I stopped on the 20th floor to go to the bathroom. I saw the plane on tv and thought huh a cessna hit. What an idiot pilot. How can you accidentally crash into 1wtc. Then i went back down the stairs and by the time i got to the bottom it was total chaos.
dontforgetpants@reddit
I’m glad you made it out.
SuperTaster3@reddit
Was the term "hard landing" as in "crashed into the ground" in effect as an official air chatter term back then? Or did it start later in regards to planes "not really landing at all"?
plasticrag@reddit
for anyone looking it's the 1 minute mark here: https://youtu.be/O_BtXeNN_MQ?t=60
BullTerrierTerror@reddit
Be advised that is from a 9/11 truther channel. I wouldn’t even click that link and feed that algorithm. I’ll look for another link.
plasticrag@reddit
Good catch. I’ll edit my comment when you find a new link.
voxalas@reddit
lmfaooooooo
Cananbaum@reddit
My mother and a ton of people at her job thought nothing of it because in the 80s I believe a small plane crashed (or was a near miss).
It wasn’t until the reports of a second plane my mother realized the gravity of the situation
Ok-Class-2433@reddit
That was me. Sitting down for my second community college class of the morning, student in front of me says a plane crashed into a skyscraper. I respond, assuming it was a small plane and with disdain for the then burgeoning 24/7 news cycle, with verbatim "oh, now that'll be on the news all this week".
I was right, but it was because I was so very wrong, as I found out just minutes later when the teacher rolled in a television.
Between the cancelled classes to come and then being glued for so long to the 24/7 news I was so hating before, I ended up never going back to a single class the rest of that semester.
In hindsight, I also realized that the scene outside of the class building minutes before was unusual - at least, it was unusual for 2001 - nearly everyone I walked by was talking on their cell phones at 9 am.
fuckasoviet@reddit
I think that was the general assumption at the time. I was in HS, and walking into a class when the news started spreading. I think my teacher turned the news on briefly, and at that point there weren’t any recordings being played, so it wasn’t entirely clear what happened. Most people were like, “oh that’s crazy a plane crashed into a skyscraper.”
Then the second plane hit
UtterEast@reddit
There are a ton of videos on youtube (I think the more gruesome ones have been scrubbed or just lost to digital decay) of people on the street milling around and reacting to the first plane hit but before the second, in real time or so, and it's very strange watching now with the benefit of hindsight. A brief period when it was still just a weird accident, ramifications unknown.
aversionals@reddit
Is there somewhere I can watch a video about that? I've never heard flight recordings from that day
MorvodKathisway@reddit
Friend, I was the lead flight attendant on our aircraft that day. I was summoned to the cockpit urgently. I was given a headset as we discussed matters of security. We heard the 2nd plane as it approached WTC. once was enough- hard, yet important to watch each year.
quesoandcats@reddit
Oh my god I can’t imagine how terrifying that must have been. Where was your plane at the time?
Jazzlike_Common9005@reddit
This one is kind of long but I like how it has a news feed atc and map of the flights. here I’m sure theres more condensed versions.
chantingeagle@reddit
This video was better than any documentary I’ve ever seen on 9/11. It’s so well done, has angles I had never seen before and the surreal nature of the tv brings me right back to that day
Fuck_Flying_Insects@reddit
Here’s one better. Documentary about the air traffic controllers that day
https://youtu.be/hYAwV6TbN7M?si=PNLlTw5FXWEBOitL
hugs-n-drugs@reddit
Todd Beamer "let's roll" is one of those stories that sticks with me.
Irraz-faka@reddit
That’s basically me every session I work traffic
Autoslats@reddit
Even more eerie is the ACARS message sent to United 93 less than 5 minutes before the flight deck was breached. UAL93’s dispatcher sent “beware any cockpit intrusion. Two a/c hit World Trade Center.”
Confused by this, one of the pilots replied “Ed, please confirm latest mssg plz — Jason.” It was the last communication by the flight crew.
snatchszn@reddit
That’s harrowing now knowing what happened next.
hugs-n-drugs@reddit
"you ready? Let's roll" -todd beamer
A passenger was on the phone with a ground supervisor right before the passengers overpowered the highjackers of 93
https://youtube.com/shorts/l0OFuWo2k7Y?si=2KkOKZyJJDlEuiJj
Oak_Woman@reddit
They are the reason Flight 93 crashed into a field instead of it's original target, whatever that might have been. The people on that plane that fought back and saved lives.
Roflcopter71@reddit
In all likelihood the target would have been the Capitol building, earlier this year they released a video that shows a Saudi intelligence agent thoroughly surveying it and the surrounding area before 9/11.
quesoandcats@reddit
God can you imagine if they had succeeded? Most of congress was still in the capitol complex or milling around on the lawn at the time 93 was hijacked.
anothergaijin@reddit
Tom Clancy wrote a book about that exact thing in Debt of Honor (1994) and Executive Orders (1996) - except it was during the Presidential Inauguration and plays out similar to the show Designated Survivor
Annath0901@reddit
Not only that, but the US Capitol Building is much more "iconic American" than even the Pentagon. And it would have been obliterated.
Like think about how that image would have circulated. It wouldn't have the same "people jumping out of the WTC" emotional devastation in the moment, but it would permanently alter DC in a way that the loss of the WTC didn't alter NYC.
rinkydinkis@reddit
Yall seem to forget the White House has burned down before
Roflcopter71@reddit
You’re right, it would have been absolutely devastating. I’m many ways it could have been even more shocking than the twin towers falling as many public figures would have been victims.
Sandgroper62@reddit
What I find absolutely incredible, is despite knowing it was Saudi's involved, they chose to invage Afghanistan!
Saudi Arabia was left totally without consequence.
Way I see it, Saudi Arabia is a cult, masquerading as a country.
King_marik@reddit
I mean honestly at that point yeah fuck it
And I don't mean that in a 'I'm such a badass' way
Your dead no matter what. You can at least take your last moments of control of how your gonna die.
It's a 'your trapped in here with us, were not trapped with you' scenario.
It was probably pretty easy to boil up all the anger of the situation and be like 'you know what? Fuck those guys let's go beat the shit out of them before we die'
Randy_Character@reddit
Neil Young’s tribute to Flight 93, Let’s Roll
fucktooshifty@reddit
Do they usually both use "acft" and "a/c" interchangably?
MalumAvis@reddit
Not the OP, but as a recipient of acars messages, there’s no standardized format.
WhitePantherXP@reddit
That means it was likely a matter of seconds too late. That's pretty haunting.
quesoandcats@reddit
Iirc flight 93 was delayed taking off because of some minor issue. It’s very likely that if they had taken off according to schedule that the hijackers would have succeeded and reached their target
Wild_Flock_of_Bears@reddit
As a dispatcher, knowing I may have been seconds late in altering the crew of a possible life or death situation would disturb me for the rest of mine.
PeskyAnxious@reddit
Once the FAA ordered the ground stop, what happened exactly to the planes still in USA airspace? I’m assuming ATC sends out a message and the pilots needed to find the closest airport?
quesoandcats@reddit
Basically yea. There are a lot of books that cover it in more detail, it was a massive clusterfuck. There are lots of stories of planes ending up at tiny airstrips in the middle of nowhere, stranding the passengers for days or even weeks.
It’s also wild to read about how government officials scrambled for seats on military aircraft, because they were the only ones still flying. At least one congressman hitched a ride in the back of a two seat fighter jet so that he could get back to DC
dramaqueen09@reddit
There’s a wonderful musical called Come From Away about the real life story of a small Canadian town who took in stranded passengers that were on planes that were rerouted to their small airport on 9/11. You can listen to the soundtrack on all the music streaming services and the filmed version on Apple TV
quesoandcats@reddit
Awesome thank you!
DryProgress4393@reddit
Gander Newfoundland.
Look up 'Operation Yellow Ribbon' if you want the non musical version of the story..
quesoandcats@reddit
I’m a pretty easygoing person but I think I draw the line at “9/11 musical” haha
I’ll definitely look it up though!
jjckey@reddit
A friend of mine was doing an Eastern Canada-Toronto flight. A chunk of time is spent with Boston Center over Maine. When they were told to land, they made a hard right for Canadian airspace. It worked out for them but could have ended badly
Zealousideal_Snow_34@reddit
Were you taught how to land a plane in flight school?
Chaxterium@reddit
??
Monneymann@reddit
That part hits hard.
“We don’t know how fucked we are but shit has already hit the fan.”
life_hog@reddit
People tend to forget, but the United States thought we were under attack. We didn’t know how many planes were compromised
hiyeji2298@reddit
People forget this was not quite a decade after the USSR fell apart and the Cold War ended. The military had been drawn down fairly substantially in that time but that old Cold War mindset was still present in military doctrine. Had United 93 actually made it to the Capitol Building one can only imagine how much more violent the response would have been.
FunctionalBoredom@reddit
23 years in flight school?! /s
Yes same here, reading that is surreal.
madlyalive@reddit
Damn, my buddy finished flight school shortly before 9/11. He’s in IT now.
P3ktus@reddit
I'm in IT wanting to start flight school, lol
madlyalive@reddit
Also in IT and I’d love to learn flying at some point in my life.
FuriousResolve@reddit
Your first week of flight school?? What a wild experience you must have had 😧
Chaxterium@reddit
Yeah it was nuts. Kind of put a damper on things to say the least.
all_is_love6667@reddit
truly belongs to the 9/11 museum, that piece of paper is such a piece of history
backifran@reddit
It was my first week in the UK too, as the news was breaking on the radio when my mum drove me home from school my 11 year old brain grasped just how serious it was. It's one of the few visceral memories I have from my childhood, we were allowed to watch TV while eating dinner for the first time that evening and I'll never forget how watching the horror made me feel.
A-typ-self@reddit
I just passed my EMT exam and got my card in the mail on 9/10.
saxmanB737@reddit
My first week too. Second flight lesson scheduled that day.
JetRanger901@reddit
Same here, I was a few weeks into private pilot at Embry-Riddle Prescott. We were down at least another month while everyone went through background checks.
GuyOnTheInterweb@reddit
the typos rub it in, showing the urgency and nervousness
MorvodKathisway@reddit
Not necessarily typos. More like conserving characters and time
FromStars@reddit
Not intirely sure Air Cannada would agree.
wzlch47@reddit
I was in flight school in the US Army at the time. The first plane hit when I was on my way home from morning PT and the second plane hit when I was in the shower. I knew as soon as I got out of the shower that I would likely be flying in a desert somewhere across the world very soon. It wasn't quite as soon as I had expected, but I did end up flying in the desert a couple years later.
rnavstar@reddit
Same here, was training on a CFB at the time. When the second aircraft hit they locked the airbase down. Kick out all civilians.
tkrego@reddit
So you were are the one that made it?
Chaotic_Conundrum@reddit
I came here to say this
CharlieFoxtrot000@reddit
I had just finished my commercial cert a few days prior. That day and what followed was a big part of my decision to not pursue an airline job as a career.
redcurrantevents@reddit
Whoa, that was my flight week of flight school as well!
electrojesus9000@reddit
9/11 ended my hopes of being a pilot. I had taken out too many loans and was on my track progression with schooling when renters insurance tripled in price. I ran out of money right after my first FAA check ride (which I failed). All of that combined plus still being in the USMC reserves made me step back and re-evaluate career paths. I’m still glad I got the experience though.
jabeelsa_@reddit
Me too actually. I moved cross country to flight school and actually worked for the airlines at the time. I would always travel on my days off quite frequently. I had to literally find a phone (pay phones were a thing back then) and call Mom and Dad back in NY that I was safe and NOT on those flights. I was known to just fly to random places if space was available. Took forever to get through, had to keep trying until it finally went through. Hadn't thought about that for at 20+ years until just now.
Bob_Majerle@reddit
Up until that day, that sounds like it was the sweetest gig ever
jabeelsa_@reddit
Things have changed a lot.
FiddlerOnThePotato@reddit
Especially in aviation since then.
phirestorm@reddit
Not a pilot but love flying and aircraft so I follow this group, I had bad goosebumps reading that, goosebumps that seem to touch your soul.
15287331@reddit
TIL the word “Intire”
Typical-Conference14@reddit
Watching the movie “United 93” gave me probably the biggest feeling of emotion any move has ever given me tbh. I just felt so pissed off the entire time and it still sticks to me to this day how I felt while watching that. It’s worth the watch if you have the time, not sure how accurate it was but I feel that it’s an important film.
Totallynotokayokay@reddit
This day shakes me every year. I feel a deep, profound sadness when I think about all the victims and their families.
TheRickBerman@reddit
I feel such anger at the Government that failed us.
Decades of hijackings and the most basic safeguards weren’t in place?
Then, when disaster struck, the executive had no idea what to do?
What if this was an invasion? A nuclear strike? What is the Government doing if terrorism, war and earthquakes aren’t extensively planned for?
nursebad@reddit
I was standing on the roof of my building in Brooklyn that morning and watched 3-5 jets flying in formation very low over Brooklyn and circling lower Manhattan. It was scary.
rocky3rocky@reddit
Electronic Flight Strips sent out to ATCs
"Yes you are reading this correctly"
12kVStr8tothenips@reddit
I wonder if anyone had experiences with Medivac that day being told no….
BackwardsMonday@reddit
From the web archive post another commenter posted:
EMERGENCY USE OF AIR AMBULANCE FLIGHTS EXEMPT FROM THE COMREHENSIVE GROUND STOP
THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE FROM EARLIER THIS MORNING ALL AIR TRAFFIC IS GROUNDED IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY FLIGHT.. IT MUST BE COORDINATED UFA CALL THRU THE COMMAND CENTER FOR APPROVAL
Leelze@reddit
I seem to remember reading that only one flight was allowed that day (with a fighter escort) to get some antivenom delivered to someone who was bit. Not sure if that means medical helicopters weren't allowed to fly.
iBrake4Shosty5@reddit
Urgent emergencies that required the use of medical flights were cleared, however they had to get permission.
Cautious_Ice_884@reddit
Link for the lazy for the un-deleted OG content?
rocky3rocky@reddit
https://web.archive.org/web/20130825045943/https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/15xd1j/a_friend_posted_these_on_facebook_flight_strips/
Cautious_Ice_884@reddit
You da best <3
Omnitemporality@reddit
as a front-page viewer, it's terrifying imagining going through all these crazy fucking protocols and terms of art as both the in-air trips and the people on the ground nationwide, did they not have like a "SOS: EVERYTHING STOP EVERYTHING" or something similar?
zyradyl@reddit
not in the field, but there is a plan called SCATANA which is what was used on 9/11. A code word was transmitted and that triggered everything. The thing is it had never been implemented. I think 9/11 was the only time it's ever been used. So there was a real "wtf is happening" with workers.
ScreamingVoid14@reddit
And the call was made by Ben Sliney, on his first day on that job.
Superninjahype@reddit
Yes I came here to leave this comment, this is an even crazier fact. Can’t imagine going through something like that first day on the job.
PilotKnob@reddit
I was flying a DC-9 from ATL-LGA that morning and we returned back to ATL. Crazy day.
StillAFuckingKilljoy@reddit
How was flying the DC-9? It has a bad reputation but from what I've heard most pilots loved it
PilotKnob@reddit
Flies like an old dump truck. Underpowered, is very efficient at converting jet fuel into noise but not thrust, and the control tabs make everything about the controls (except the rudder) take longer than it should to react.
It was built like a tank, though. Tough machine. We had PDIs which were the pre-HSI. They only showed 30 degrees of deviation from center left or right of course. The old joke was to hear from ATC "Where are you going, we're showing you 5 miles off course." We'd respond, "Roger, which side?" and then give the thing a quick rap with the knuckles to unstick the needle.
These are things from the past you could never get away with today. I'm glad I got to experience it but I'm not sad they're history.
TheWarDoctor@reddit
I was working at the CFA Corp office, which as you likely know was right in the flight path. It was so odd those next few weeks not having the windows rattle every few minutes with jet engine noise.
Sensanaty@reddit
I'm curious about the typos, is that something you see often in these types of messages?
RealShabanella@reddit
Stoping but also Cannada
Chickentiming@reddit
Sorry total noob question here. What do ACFT mean in this context?
lowbrightness@reddit
Aircraft
Chickentiming@reddit
I thought it was an acronym for something more specific. Thanks
lowbrightness@reddit
Yeah of course. Aviation is full of acronyms you've got to memorize to make sense of things haha
Chaxterium@reddit
Aviation is its own language. It's kind of nuts how many acronyms we use on a daily basis. I'm sure that's not unique to aviation but it feels like we speak in code sometimes.
Xemylixa@reddit
Y USE LOT WRD WEN FEW WRD DO TRK
Rexrollo150@reddit
Aircraft
Chickentiming@reddit
Fuck me, it was so in my face. I thought it was an acronym for something more specific. Thanks
_FartinLutherKing_@reddit
An acronym isn’t a bad guess to be fair. I’m an air traffic controller and we’ve got about a million acronyms lol
Preindustrialcyborg@reddit
don't worry, i thought so too.
ermurenz@reddit
Wow
AllHailtheBeard1@reddit
"God bless you" is never a good thing to see in an official dispatch
Not-A-Real-Dinosaur@reddit
Yeah, so weird... The whole message is almost telegram style, abbreviations, little punctuation other than full stops and then there's this random "god bless you" totally out of place.
n00chness@reddit
Succinct and Informative
UnhingedCorgi@reddit
Not in pilot world. All we need is:
Beware hijackings. Lock down flight deck at all costs. Multiple incidents this morning. ATC may close all airspace, be prepared for divert.
Acknowledge or we shoot.
n00chness@reddit
So this would be quite a bit worse, because while it conveys that there might be a general airspace closure in the future, it fails to convey that NYC airspace was already closed.
RandomNick42@reddit
Also it presumes the expectation of hijacking as it is post 9/11.
The act itself rewrote how hijackings work during itself - even the last plane of four was hijacked too late - the paradigm has shifted from “we’ll fly to Cuba and they’ll ask for some political prisoners to be released or something” (which has been the typical result of a hijacking for decades) to “they wanna crash us into something, we’re gonna make them crash into a field instead”. What I am saying is that without context, a “Lock down flight deck at all costs” message would be met by something like “bullshit, I won’t have them kill crew or passengers just because we won’t let them in the cockpit”.
UtterEast@reddit
Yeah, I sometimes wonder if people who weren't born yet or don't remember 9/11, or who never flew commercially before it can imagine what it used to be like. Fatalities were rare and happened in foreign countries, not on US airlines.
I found this article that shows the number of hijack incidents vs hijack-related fatalities per year since the beginning of commercial aviation, but annoyingly it doesn't break down the yearly totals and link, say, wikipedia articles etc. to the outliers.
The spike for year 2001 is probably obvious; 1996 was Ethiopian Airlines 961, 1990 was an incident I hadn't heard of involving a hijacked aircraft colliding on the runway with two others in Guangzhou, and 1985/1986 were mostly made up of EgyptAir 648, Pan Am Flight 73, and Iraqi Airways Flight 163. The 1996 one has been cited as an unheeded warning regarding intrusion into the cockpit ahead of 9/11, and the Guangzhou incident now that I'm reading its wikipedia article sounds like a real SNAFU with elements of both cockpit intrusion and losing control of the hijack/ineffective negotiation and deescalation. The Egyptair and Pan Am casualties could be lumped together glibly as either unavoidable or botched results of security forces storming the aircraft, and the Iraqi incident apparently involved the AC falling out of the sky after two grenade detonations on-board.
Anyway, a bit of a long-winded way to try to illustrate how the SOP for hijackings before 9/11 was to keep calm, cooperate with the hijackers, and try not to trigger them to use their (real or sham) weapons on the aircraft or passengers, which before 9/11 was largely effective in preventing deaths. And when hijackings did occur, they were off in distant countries, not here at home.
RandomNick42@reddit
Notably, for the Ethiopian, it was the captains third hijacking. The other two ended in a safe landing and eventual surrender, and the third would have as well, had the hijackers not been… just a bit too simple.
they_have_bagels@reddit
I honestly don’t think they can. Just like I will never know a time before the moon landing or before Pearl Harbor. It is so fundamentally different that it’s literally incomprehensible if you didn’t knowingly and consciously live through it.
imapilotaz@reddit
This is so critical that many "kids" dont realize.
Hijackings were not uncommon, even in the USA. You typically had a flight to Ciba, a few hours of negotuations and that was that. There had not been a hijacking where they had no plan except death.
I was in grad school during 9/11. It was surreal as half was military, half was airline including a top check airman and one of the more sr pilots for a major. Hell one of my classmates was a full bird Colonel that ran an F16 base. 9/10 i literally had class on base and was driving around on my own. That was last time i was ever on a base as it was hard shut down after that.
NoJelly9783@reddit
It’s not a big deal because atc will divert you anyway. You can acknowledge by replying. The important part is keep flight deck locked, no one is allowed up.
thesuperunknown@reddit
Are you familiar with the concept of a “joke”?
n00chness@reddit
Ahh yes, if it isn't r/thesuperunknown, interpreter and understander of all things r/ultimatecorgi. Yes it all makes perfect sense
thesuperunknown@reddit
I mean, it’s not, though? It’s very rambly and really buries the lede. I can understand that this is probably because it was being typed in real time as information was coming in (and I remember things being extremely confused that day, as you’d expect). But the practicalities of the situation aside, this is in no way succinct, and not really as informative as you would hope.
KerPop42@reddit
you can sort of read them running out of professionalism partway through the message
M3L0NM4N@reddit
Agree. With the spelling errors, you can tell it was written hastily.
As Mark Twain once said, “I didn’t have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”
1-800-THREE@reddit
Did they have to invoke God? What is the point of that
Mtinie@reddit
During trying times, religious people forget that not everyone is religious. A pronouncement of faith is what they expect to hear/read, so they react accordingly and issue one.
1-800-THREE@reddit
Scary that people who work in a STEM field like aviation can literally believe in magic sky monsters
Clitler73@reddit
If God and heaven/he'll aren't real, then nothing happens after we die. If they are real and you believe in God, you will go to heaven, so what's the downside to believing in god?
subreddette@reddit
Regardless of whether you are or are not religious, one can feel the greater significance and fear of that statement, “god bless you,” compared to just saying “good luck”.
Not everyone who says “oh my god” believes in a god. Obviously there’s a difference, but the point is it is conveying the weight of what’s happening.
1-800-THREE@reddit
What you're saying makes sense in a vacuum, but it's not in a vacuum. Their God has a whole lot of baggage attached.
When I read it in this message it felt exclusionary, like "us religious people are banding together and you aren't in our club." That's fine that other people have a club they're into but this situation is more serious than that, it's flat out unprofessional to bring your religion into work, especially on a day like that.
subreddette@reddit
I don’t doubt you and others feel that way, but I think you would be in the small minority who take it like that. If some tells me they’re praying for me, I roll my eyes, but if it’s 9/11 and some says “god bless you,” I realize shit is really fucked.
Ataneruo@reddit
It amazes me that people don’t realize how unbelievably secular the world has gotten in 20 years. “God bless you” was a common sentiment back then, people would even say it if you sneezed in public. Much less an almost unprecedented national disaster.
BeyondGeometry@reddit
Really, dont get why people are so obsessed with 9/11. The US has killed millions in the Middle East by starvation and direct wars within 2 decades , that would be more fascinating . The toll literally a 1000 times larger,and now we will have US cruise missiles doing 9/11 all day long in many Russian cities, and then quite posiblly total nuclear war.
rlaw1234qq@reddit
I was working in London for a corporation that had its HQ in both towers - over 200 staff died, mainly in the first tower. We were watching live on the news when there was a lot of paper fluttering down. Someone spotted some of our corporate complement slips.
maurymarkowitz@reddit
Any idea what the air Canada reference is?
naranja221@reddit
There were tons of rumors being reported that day.
stereosafari@reddit
'Intire'
NolChannel@reddit
Look how convoluted it is compared to what it should have been.
"Secure cockpit. No exceptions. Disregarding rule will result in termination. Plz Ack Msg..."
an_older_meme@reddit
It took me forever to convince my oblivious roommate what had happened. He kept thinking I was joking.
youremom24@reddit
I can’t even begin to imagine the confusion and uncertainty these pilots felt. Not knowing if their aircraft was next. Or what was next to come. How terrifying
FavoriteFoodCarrots@reddit
Can you imagine sitting there as pilot monitoring when that shit comes across the ACARS?
cvr24@reddit
There are no better prepared professionals on the planet for any kind if crisis than commercial airline pilots. It's still gonna be a punch to the gut, yeah.
Joshwoum8@reddit
Would be crazy.
Can’t imagine being on a trans-Atlantic flight and not being able to communicate with ATC and the only message you get is from ACARS that US air space is closed?
AssassinationCustard@reddit
I worked at YYZ and still remember all the US bound flight being diverted to Pearson and other Canadian airports. We had no clue what was going on or if any of them were a threat. The days after were a ghost town. No traffic. Just planes parked everywhere.
scodaddler@reddit
I work in operations control for AC and that day one of the dispatchers stood up and said "New York airspace is closed. There was a hushed silence while everyone took that in and wondered why until we got the news. The following three days were the oddest days I've ever worked.
Bluekestral@reddit
I lived in the flightline for departing flights the weeks after were eerily silent
syncsynchalt@reddit
Less than two years before there was an urban legend that the authorities were downplaying the coming Y2K problem because there wasn’t enough space to park all airliners at once.
20 months later and we got very real evidence against that one 😞
Omnitemporality@reddit
"forced down" is fucking vomit-inducing corporatism
Omnitemporality@reddit
to follow up: this response is empathetic, i'm merely saying that it must be terrifying to have to semantically "professionalize" the language of the broadcasting of reports of such heinous incidents; while the incidents themselves are going on currently, are the worst they've ever been, and there is limited information regarding the specificities of them
Automatic_Actuator_0@reddit
God, this is like the 10th time I’ve cried today. I don’t know how much I have left.
Brave_Chipmunk8231@reddit
You cry when you think about 911....?
Bro, not even lying, you should go to a therapist. That's not healthy processing
-Ernie@reddit
People don’t cry because they’re “thinking about 9/11”, they cry because they are reminded of how they felt on that day. 
You should probably talk to a therapist about what drives you to say super insensitive and condescending shit like this to anonymous strangers on Reddit
Brave_Chipmunk8231@reddit
It was 24 years ago and they said they cried 10 times today. That's a psychotic episode and they should seek help. This isn't condescending, it is genuine concern you butthole.
-Ernie@reddit
Someone who is actually feeling “genuine concern” would be wise to consider what kind of things OC might have experienced on 9/11 that cause them to still cry two decades later.
Brave_Chipmunk8231@reddit
So after seeing their reply sure seems like they should go to a therapist
Automatic_Actuator_0@reddit
Thank you. Now, for the record, I’m not over here bawling uncontrollably, but watching these videos and such definitely take me back and bring a few tears. I also visited the ground zero memorial for the first time this summer, so it’s all extra fresh.
I wouldn’t say I’m deeply traumatized by that day, but it definitely affected me, and set in motion this future where my neighbor a few years older than me got shot 5 times in Fallujah, barely surviving, and my high school football teammate got hit by a roadside bomb near Baghdad, and didn’t make it.
And I didn’t need a therapist to help me see that I felt guilt for cheering on the start of the war, even knowing I had friends who would likely be going. The anger we all felt after that day clouded all of that. So yeah, I guess you could say I have some feels, and it’s perfectly healthy to remember and express them once a year.
Artmageddon@reddit
You don’t know what that person is dealing with
Brave_Chipmunk8231@reddit
I know one thing that they are dealing with and they should go to therapy based on that.
G24all2read@reddit
Could you imagine being a pilot and not knowing who your passengers are at that moment?
filthytoast@reddit
Does anyone know what font this is? I love it! Clearly bitmap/pixel font. Reminds me of old VHS fonts.
Icommentwhenhigh@reddit
I was serving at a Canadian military base in Halifax NS. We were yanked back in forth so much with conflicting information that day, and all we could do is stand by for orders and remind ourselves that we signed up for this and were exactly where we needed to be, and yet we felt like wwIII just started , with a multi pronged air attack in North America.
DharmaDemocracy@reddit (OP)
Canada has a lot to be proud of how they handled it all, especially with Operation Yellow Ribbon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellow_Ribbon
Neither-Door-7228@reddit
Hell yeah I guess I can forgive the Canadians for burning down our capitol now
tankerkiller125real@reddit
We still want that island though... The Pig War isn't over yet Canada.
AstroJM@reddit
That island is now entirely within Washington State
EvergreenEnfields@reddit
And hosts the only US park property where the British flag is flown daily.
tankerkiller125real@reddit
Not good enough, we want ALL the islands up there.
TheMightyMisanthrope@reddit
It always brings tears to my eyes "those are potentially dangerous planes and the americans are suffering, bring them over".
ohlookahipster@reddit
The crazy part is that Canada did it initially to divert traffic towards themselves and away from any US targets, potentially opening themselves up to more attacks. They volunteered to jump in and take one on the chin.
And then they went above and beyond to host all the grounded Americans, crew and passengers included.
True bros.
SuperTaster3@reddit
Pilots(and to an extent airline flight crew/ground crew) are known for being absolutely friendly. It's the sort of career where someone will, eventually, be in trouble, and you would absolutely want someone to go to the mat for you. Thus, you do it for them.
You see similar behavior in arctic regions in general. Someday your time to be screwed by the weather will happen, and thus you are ready to help another who is in trouble. It's not a coincidence that many of the friendliest countries are super far north.
JerryfromCan@reddit
Folks who live in the north are in a constant battle with the weather in the winter. Can only battle each other about 6 months of the year.
Folks get really happy to enter the grocery store when its -20 and snowing outside and the heat is cranked.
spsteve@reddit
It's the same on the seas. It is no coincidence so much aviation terminology comes from sailing. Both have very similar communities and "codes".
anaxcepheus32@reddit
Totally bros.
Really, most of the airports they diverted to in Atlantic Canada are no where near targets. Vancouver could be for flights from the west.
That’s why the musical Come From Away is so interesting.
HIM_Darling@reddit
It’s on Apple TV. And currently on tour. I’m anxiously awaiting tickets to go on sale for my local venue.
yeswenarcan@reddit
Come From Away is amazing. My wife is a theatre nerd and it's her favorite show. I went to a performance not really knowing what I was getting into and ended up bawling my eyes out for a good chunk of the show.
vicsyd@reddit
I think this is why most Canadians can't understand why our NATO obligations aren't enough (depending on the current president). We have 1/10th of the population, are larger in size so larger reach of infrastructure to build, and share thousands of miles of borders with the US. We have so much risk proximity-wise, and we take anything on when needed. We have the benefit of the US hopefully protecting us one day. But we simply don't have more money to pay for military with that much less tax and industry revenue.
MTrizzle@reddit
Amen! Thank you Canada for harboring so many passengers who had nowhere else they could go!
Substantial-Fee-191@reddit
My sister was an ATC at a small airport in the Northwest Territories. They took planes headed to airports in southern Canada while the airports in the south took US traffic. Planes were landed on much shorter runways than were normally used
bullsnake2000@reddit
The people of Canada are our brothers and sisters. Ahhh, maybe cousins…
We’ve got their back, and that day, they had ours.
I love you Canada!!
Thank you
khristmas_karl@reddit
I consider it like step brothers and sisters. There was a divorce in there somewhere and it kinda fucked things up but we're still close by circumstance.
bullsnake2000@reddit
and have each others back.
imapilotaz@reddit
For us Americans who grew up in the 80s and 90s... we all had a"Cabadian girlfriend"... so i mean at this point half of Canada are our ex's.
DoblinJames@reddit
There’s an extraordinary amount of shit talking between Canada and the US on the internet, so thank you for reminding me of one of the incredible bro moments between our nations.
BupeTheSnoot@reddit
As an American, I generally interpret the shit-talking itself as friendly ribbing among friendly neighbors. The only time it gets serious is when low-intelligence Americans stick their chests out about “saving the world” or some shit.
scoobynoodles@reddit
Wow! Had no idea about this.
yourmomsdrawer@reddit
that was a good read thanks!
LotsOfGunsSmallPenis@reddit
You Canadians are alright in my book. I was stationed at Elmendorf as an F-15 crew chief when we had an F-15 break up in flight and were grounded. Yall were there within a day to sit on combat alert until our F-15's were approved for flight again.
Clear_Picture5944@reddit
Canada and US are siblings. We bicker, we fight, we criticize and mock. But when it comes down to something serious, we always go to bat for one another.
whimsical_trash@reddit
Edward Snowden happened to be on a US base that day (he worked for a lady who lived on base) and he wrote a chapter about it in his book. It was super interesting to see that perspective. And then he joined up.
Marxt4r@reddit
You mean CANNADA?
Lukanian7@reddit
What does this even mean?
Fit_Cucumber_709@reddit
Canada was misspelled in the ATC message posted. Stupid comment, all the same.
Melonary@reddit
It's almost like urgency mattered more than proofreading here!
Marxt4r@reddit
You havent read the thing have you?
Melonary@reddit
You want to be the guy who wastes time and lives proofreading your fucking warning that terrorists are taking over large passenger jets and flying them into buildings?
Fine, here's your A+ 5th grade spelling bee ribbon🥇
Lukanian7@reddit
Oh yeah there are like 20 typos, you just chose your favourite. Okay.
Chaxterium@reddit
Dude read the room lol.
LordNedNoodle@reddit
My parent were flying out of Boston that morning to Florida. Luckily their flight was earlier that day.
tothemoonandback01@reddit
The Dot Matrix.
pokemon-sucks@reddit
Why is the grammar so poor? I get somebody might have been in a hurry but still. This almost reads as a text message between kids.
Pizza_Middle@reddit
PLZ ACK MSG
That hits harder than the rest of the message.
LookoutBel0w@reddit
Why?
Deadjerich0@reddit
Imagine a plane on that day not acknowledging the message.
God_Damnit_Nappa@reddit
Scary to think about. There was almost certainly a shoot on sight command at that point
OkIce8214@reddit
It means “please acknowledge message,” which could be interpreted as, “let us know you are okay.”
Preindustrialcyborg@reddit
i think on that day, they said that to make sure the other planes weren't hijacked as well.
Pizza_Middle@reddit
Might be a standard request, but on that day it feels like more of a plea. Like they're hoping to hear back from everyone still in the skies since there were a few hijacked aircraft.
hrhkingjames@reddit
They use that to this day when sending downline crew changes or reroutes and other things.
captmonkey@reddit
I worked as a programmer for the Air Force Weather Agency when I was in the Air Force. I was actually in Basic Training on 9/11. However, I heard a funny story from a Sergeant I worked with that this reminded me of.
On the night of 9/11, he got a page that he needed to come in and troubleshoot some of our software because it hadn't processed any data in over 12 hours and sent out a warning. He drove to the office and checked everything out. It all seemed fine. Everything was running, there weren't stuck processes or anything. He inquired about what the data was that was missing. It was ACARS. "Wait, where do those come from?" He asked the Captain on duty. "Uh... civilian aircraft. OHHHH..." They both had a bit of laugh on such a dark day and he went home.
https://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/docs/restricted_data/acars+amdar/
Traquer@reddit
I was going to say OPSEC! But things have certainly evolved since then.
captmonkey@reddit
Yeah, and I feel like the knowledge that the Air Force uses weather reports from airplanes shouldn't be very surprising to anyone.
hiyeji2298@reddit
All weather prediction models do. It’s either that or launch thousands of balloons every day.
skilriki@reddit
Except for ACARS
pink-polo@reddit
I lived in Toronto, and the CN Tower area was definitely evacuated. Not sure if it's related, but I remember that.
greygreenblue@reddit
My dad picked me up from school, and brought me to his office tower near Bay and Bloor… I remember being utterly terrified. It was unclear at the time whether the target would solely be the US, or whether Toronto might also be affected.
Three53@reddit
When something I saw the other day come back in my feed after I saw it already , is that just a reminder of how often I delete my Reddit history?
Unfair_Cry6808@reddit
The typos alone would tempt me to fly into a building.
jdubbs84@reddit
Wasn’t that his first day on the job?
hkohne@reddit
The FAA director, yes
mildOrWILD65@reddit
This is now the most terrifying thing I've ever read.
Thousands upon thousands of pilots received this message.
For the uninitiated, go to flightview.com and zoom out to a global view. That's how many were affected.
hkohne@reddit
I think it was the History Channel that did a 9/11 documentary about the air traffic controllers & the brand-new FAA chair. It's really fascinating and just depressing. I recommend it.
Chugtwobeers@reddit
Kind of surprised they spelled Canada wrong
CharcoalGreyWolf@reddit
I still remember seeing the second plane hit in realtime on TV that morning.
I don’t believe any work got done that day across the country. We were all just in shock.
blender4life@reddit
I'm from the front page. Who sent this to who? Over radio? Why are parts abbreviated was there a character limit? What's it printed on?
MorvodKathisway@reddit
I overnighted in Providence, had just looked out at the NYC skyline on our way to Orlando. Was supposed to bury my mom on the 12th. Two thoughts came to mind on that 1) welp, she’ll prolly still be dead when I get back and 2) God knew this was going to happen so he hired lots of extra help to be greeters at the gate beforehand ( I lost my mom and maternal grandmother w/in 2 weeks that summer) I’m very “take charge” in emergency situations, so I reevaluated my customers and spent a horrible 20-30 minutes knowing what these poor people were going to find out when we land. People tell me I need to “get over it”; and I remind them ( often teary-eyed) that Flight Attendants were the first to die that day. It’s still very hard to get through this day. I think this thread actually helped
rbitton@reddit
It really bothers me that they abbreviate AAL and UAL but not ACA
Freebird_1957@reddit
You must be OCD like me.
Nelone1@reddit
Simpler happier times
Civil-Professor3574@reddit
Gilbert, not again !
SecureMechanic9794@reddit
"God bless you?" The hijackers were praising god when they hit the buildings. I guess they both can't be right, but they can BOTH BE WRONG.
MrStreetLegal@reddit
It's like a "God help you", not really praise.
Freebird_1957@reddit
I’m an atheist and have no problem with someone telling me God Bless You. I don’t wear a sign on my head saying what I do or don’t believe. They have no idea and are just showing me a kindness IMO. People need to chill out.
Fluffy-Gazelle-6363@reddit
hey dork shut up.
SecureMechanic9794@reddit
The ad hominem; the go to for the dullard, the boob, the cretin.
GayRacoon69@reddit
Man I'm an atheist too but you don't gotta bring religion into this.
Seriously why are you using a tragedy to say that religion is wrong.
SecureMechanic9794@reddit
I don't gotta do a lot of shit. You didn't have to respond to my post, but you felt compelled to. Is your reason for doing so better than mine, or about the same?
GayRacoon69@reddit
There's a difference between doing stuff just because and using a tragedy to try and trash on others beliefs.
Also this is an aviation sub. Why the fuck are bringing up religion? Go to r/atheism and call people wrong over there
Bleezy79@reddit
Gives me goosebumps reading that and remembering that day. My dad woked me up and I was supposed to go to class but there was no way I could focus.
Freebird_1957@reddit
I remember our boss told us that we all had work to do and needed to focus. We were like, you have got to be kidding. There was no work done that day.
onethous@reddit
I was supposed to be at a conference 2000 miles from home and was not able to go. Ended up being a good thing as everyone wanted to go home and be with their families. I knew 6 guys that shared one rental car driving day and night to get home. The conference just fizzled and everyone left.
I lived next to a military base and nuclear power plant that was put on high alert. F16s and Apache helos flying all over and tons of Chinooks carrying supplies to ships offshore. Never saw anything like it. I knew we were going to war that day I saw all the ships coming in to be loaded.
I would imagine it was a lot like how people felt when Pearl Harbor was attacked. A day that will live in infamy.
Larouse12@reddit
Never Forget
Freebird_1957@reddit
I remember this like it was yesterday. I saw the building burning from the first hit, then saw the second plane hit. My friend was trying desperately to reach his brother, who was a pilot with American. I’ll never, ever forget.
sensualsinner359@reddit
Err Canada no but on a Canadian Airlines plane that was flown out of Toronto several days later which had been scheduled to go to New York on the 11th that there where box cutters taped to the inside lip of some overhead bins. An unusually tall pax noticed them as he boarded the aircraft a few days after 9/11. So a well planned out and orchestrated attack for certain. The biggest mystery to me though is that the day before someone made a massive gamble by investing in "put options"where you basically bet a company will for some reason suffer a financial hardship. This was invested in United Airlines stock the day before and cashed out for massive profit the day after. But no one ever mentions it and no one ever got investigated over it. There must be some sort of paper trail? Even for the super wealthy I doubt its posdible to make a multi million dollar investment annonimously ...
TourDirect3224@reddit
Mick can't spell for shit.
TheWarDoctor@reddit
Pretty sure he was furiously writing to get the message out quick.
-Depressed_Potato-@reddit
Who knows, maybe Mick isn't even his name and it's actually Mike
Yo_Honcho@reddit
You should see the ACARS the pilots send.
Kruse@reddit
It's like reading your average social media post these days.
Peregrine7710@reddit
I'd be curious to hear more about Mick's experience that day.
TheWarDoctor@reddit
He's my relative, reached out to see if he'd like to say something here.
fpascale123@reddit
Mick was a dispatcher for AAL as was I. Watch the documentary in the comment from MaverickTTT to get a feel for what happened.
Some of the accounts you’ve read about as to when certain actions took place are not entirely accurate. While the government claims that they stopped air traffic first, it wasn’t, it was the dispatches that started directing flights to land.
MaverickTTT@reddit
There's a documentary out there with some oral history by a handful of dispatchers working for AAL and UAL that morning. Can't remember who the AAL dispatchers interviewed were, but they would have known Mick and had similar experiences.
9/11: Voices of the Aircraft Dispatchers
PufffPufffGive@reddit
Hey thank you for this I honestly was pretty traumatized as many Americans were during this time.
I was a young momma with a 6 year old and we lived next to a military base and the alarms on our island went off in the early hours of this day.
I was so scared I packed up a lunch and took my baby to the opposite side of the island to get as far away from the airport and base as possible and spent the entire day on the beach. Silent. I haven’t watched much about it since and this was really interesting op Thank you.
SodamessNCO@reddit
Did all the airliners have printers in the flight deck back then?
fpascale123@reddit
Yes
Soafp_@reddit
They do now, however ACARS is mostly digital now
Raoul_Dukes_Mayo@reddit
Jesus. That’s humbling.
I was 15 and in my free period in the cafeteria with TV’s on CNN.
About 15 kids between 14 and 18 all sat there with no teachers or admin, just watching it all happen, on our own.
I’ll never forget how ages or cliques stopped mattering. We all moved to one table. Some held hands, some hugged but it was completely silent.
I’ll never forget the silence before the chaos once classes got out.
DufflesBNA@reddit
Freshman. Same situation. Geography class (teacher was the civics/govt teacher also). Just turned on the TV and was silent. Lunch period was also silent with tvs on.
Raoul_Dukes_Mayo@reddit
Yeah, I think being without any adult was in a weird way a good way to process it because no one was freaking out trying to turn the tv off.
We just watched and absorbed our world was changing.
We did have an assembly later in the day which was super weird because everyone had to stay unless a parent called you out.
This was a really small private school so that actually makes sense if you were there. It was likely better for me to stay because when I got home I moved a tv next to my computer and obsessively watched and read and was on AIM.
Anyways. Thanks for listening to my story, y’all. ❤️
mathcampbell@reddit
Was in a TA office (like army reserve in the UK), where it was just me, an oppo and the boss fella.
Getting teletypes upping the security level then asking us to mount a gate guard (we didn’t have the armoury key, and there’s literally just two of us. Not sure what we could have done. Stand out there I guess?)
AnthonyGSXR@reddit
good grief.. 😫
Cake-Over@reddit
Interesting that there's no warning or language about absolutely not opening the cockpit door no matter what's happening on the cabin side of it.
lokiandgoose@reddit
What other security measure would be top priority except securing the cockpit?
LFTMRE@reddit
Well it does say to focus on security. You are right, it's vague, however they probably have SOPs in place for certain events. Plus this looks to be a very small format print and likely had limited characters (don't know much about planes, but I assume these were installed so messages could be "broadcast" or sent and picked up later if a plant was having Comms issues, so a limited mindset of characters would make sense).
I saw in some other comments that pilots had a lot more authority and control back then, I imagine a bit like a ship's captain, so they were expected to have knowledge and training to make that informed decision themselves.
BackgroundGrade@reddit
Kind of implied in the first sentence. I'm sure the flight crew quickly spoke with the cabin crew to pay extra attention to passenger behaviour.
MorvodKathisway@reddit
That is EXACTLY what transpired on my plane.
tofer85@reddit
You are looking at this with the benefit of hindsight. When this was written there was scant detail on the circumstances and unbelievably crazy shit unfolding minute by minute.
I remember watching it unfold on TV with disbelief…
Kruse@reddit
What's the story on the suspected problem with Air Canada?
_Magnolia_Fan_@reddit
A rapidly evolving situation and an international game of telephone.
CptClownfish1@reddit
That message “buried the lead” a bit. I probably would’ve opened with “two aircraft have been flown in to the World Trade Center”.
garbonzo909@reddit
I worked at an Air Canada call center that day on the non-revenue line. After the planes hit but before the towers fell and NA airspace was shut down a woman from UA called to book one of their execs to fly back from Montreal to Boston later that day. At that point we were only cancelling flights a few hours out so we still had inventory to book in the afternoon/evening. She was in tears. I knew one of the planes that hit the WTC was a UA flight from Boston. I'll never forget that call. Still getting choked up as I write this.
AceCombat9519@reddit
23 years already and if you have a friend flying in the air you would have to pray for them that they are not hijacked happened to my father because he was flying American Airlines on that day with his one world Alliance Emerald status Asia Miles
alovelycardigan@reddit
That makes me feel sick to my stomach to read.
BUNNIES_ARE_FOOD@reddit
Holy shit that hits hard
jsmalltri@reddit
I was working with EJM in Teterboro shortly before and reading this is chilling.
fl135790135790@reddit
What happens if the ATC systems are shut down? Is everyone just doomed?
nyrb001@reddit
Means airspace being closed (which is what happened) so all planes must land. Doesn't mean ATC just says "welp, you're on your own!" and goes home.
fl135790135790@reddit
I meant if the system gets knocked out lol. The tech.
jet-setting@reddit
That’s a complicated question because there really isn’t one thing that can get “knocked out”.
If, for example all the radars go down, it would be a mess but also manageable. There are non-radar procedures used every day for areas that don’t have coverage like crossing the ocean, over remote areas, or going to smaller airports where radar coverage will be lost under a certain altitude. So then those procedures would simply be used instead and the pilots and controllers will go about their days, with just a lot more communication and likely many diversions or delays.
If communication fails, well we somewhat plan for that already - sort of. Before departing, an aircraft will receive a clearance for their route. The main purpose of this is in case of communication failure, the pilots know what is expected of them. They will fly their route and land as close as possible to their planned and filed arrival time.
If GPS fails, we still use a network of ground based navigation equipment that covers the whole country, and the most precise navigation aids that guide a plane to the runway in bad weather are ground-based.
schmookeeg@reddit
If the other TRACONs are like SoCal, which I toured once... yeah if something takes that out, there are other more pressing problems. That joint is gonna be vault 13 after we all nuke one another. :)
btw if you get the chance to check it out, highly worthwhile and fascinating.
diggn64@reddit
I don't know anything about ACARS, but it seems to be official. And they get their information from CNN?
Super_Tangerine_660@reddit
The CNN of today and the CNN of then were practically 2 different things. Same goes to any of the major news networks.
Baron_VonLongSchlong@reddit
Man I feel old. Look how far CNN has fallen.
KSP_HarvesteR@reddit
Oh yeah, I remember watching the whole thing back then on CNN... I was 15 yo... And the coverage was, dare I say, informational! 🤯
wetwater@reddit
My parents had cable TV so I went there to watch news coverage. After switching through a bunch of stations I settled on CNN for no particular reason.
Baron_VonLongSchlong@reddit
I was around that age as well, and ya, it was definitely a different CNN.
ArctycDev@reddit
Everyone was getting their information about the attacks that day live on the news. Any additional information that wasn't on the news was being run *up* the chain, not down it.
unclefire@reddit
I woke up to my radio alarm clock and the first thing I heard was “a plane has crashed into the world trade center “. I ran to the family room/kitchen where my wife and kids were getting ready for the day. I turn in CNN and moments later see the 2nd plane hit live on air. I’m like WTF did I just see.
I was listening to Howard Stern in the car taking my kids to school when the first tower collapsed. He was still on terrestrial radio the time.
refinedtwist925@reddit
I remember sitting in my living room once I got home from work, glued to the TV watching the news. I don’t think I barely moved for about 10 -12 hours. It was so confusing earlier in the morning and then became clear what was actually going on. Certain moments from that day that are absolutely seared into my brain.
Law-Fish@reddit
The company headquarters I was in was basically paralyzed for a few hours until the gears started turning again and 1SG ordered a full inspection of all gear weapons and vehicles because suddenly we needed to be 100% at a moments notice
rinfodiv@reddit
This is a reminder that 23 years ago news networks occasionally reported news.
Also ACARS is how pilots communicate while airborne with dispatch. So this would have been a dispatcher message most likely.
LikelyNotSober@reddit
The bottom ticker tape on CNN/FOX/MSNBC was invented right after 9/11.
BoysLinuses@reddit
It was a chaotic situation and dispatchers were trying to warn pilots with whatever little information they had at the time.
diggn64@reddit
Ok, I was just surprised and curious, so I asked. Obviously not a qualified question. Before the downvotes escalate, I delete my post. Thanks.
dedgecko@reddit
CNN / CNN Headline News is where anyone got live current events from.
Broadband… barely anywhere.
Cell service, voice only, $.99 a text
stephen1547@reddit
How do you think people got news and information 23 years ago?
yomama1211@reddit
Alex Jones’s dad or their drunk uncle
SuperBwahBwah@reddit
That’s horrifying… that god bless you at the end… absolutely horrifying… brings tears to my eyes just the fear… I can’t even imagine what that must have felt like… for everyone… on the ground, in the air, on the water. All seeing and hearing the same thing…
RixirF@reddit
God damn Mick, givng a fantastic cliff's notes.
I don't know if that still exists, but it did in 2001 so I'm sticking with it.
pacificcoastsailing@reddit
Whoa.
CriminalMacabre@reddit
Mick was frantic when writing that
TurkishDrillpress@reddit
I was at AA and getting ready to pushback in a S-80 to fly to DFW and received that very message. Cannot believe I didn’t save it.
AvgBonnie@reddit
I lived in New Jersey during the attacks; I was 10. I also lived within spitting distance of EWR, is there anyone here who can tell me what I was like in the runways? Airport? Towers in the tri-state area during this time? I’m not writing a report or anything, I just want to know how much of a mad scramble it was
anthrorganism@reddit
Entire*
stijen4@reddit
Might be a silly question, but is there a specific reason hijacked was spelled with a hyphen in between?
T65Bx@reddit
Panic
unclefire@reddit
That’s chilling. Every year the memories from that day come flooding back to me. I worked for AmEx at that time and had colleagues impacted by it. I had systems go down that day too bc stuff ran thru the WFC across the street from WTC.
I went to NYC in late Oct IIRC and walked a block away from WTC (down broadway, I think church st was still closed). We had temp offices already on 40 Wall st. The smell and smoke was still in the air even a month later. I was supposed to fly to NYC that morning but by luck got out of going. My colleague in another city got lucky and was turned away at the airport bc everything was already shut down.
Another colleague was working out in the Marrriott WTC (where I often stayed). He never went back to his room so he had to leave without ID and only the workout clothes on his back. Getting back to Phoenix was a bitch.
GoodGoodGoody@reddit
Jokes and lame comments aside, what was the reported Air Canada problem?
MaverickTTT@reddit
I wasn't in the industry yet, but I've heard many stories from fellow dispatchers that were on shift that day. There was a lot of confusion and contradicting information going around amongst the carriers and the FAA in the immediate time that everything started. Amidst that flurry of information, there was talk of a similar group of passengers and some box cutters found on an Air Canada flight out of Toronto.
dinkleberrysurprise@reddit
A lot of the various ATC stuff is still on YT or Wikipedia, it’s as you describe. There were a couple flights with transponder or radio issues that were heavily scrutinized (i.e. escorted by fighters and disembarked at gunpoint). Just not a lot of clarity until late in the day—when everyone was on the ground and police/military had a chance to search stuff, review manifests, etc.
rainwolf511@reddit
I will never forget where i was when this happened and i have mixed feelings about after as i was with my red cross response team at the time and was originally supposed to be deployed to nyc but my orders were recended before I could
rainwolf511@reddit
I will never forget where i was when this happened and i have mixed feelings about after as i was with my red cross response team at the time and was originally supposed to be deployed to nyc but my orders were recended before I could
road_rascal@reddit
I was working in our refinery and listening to the radio after the first plane hit the tower. After the second one hit we immediately went into lockdown and denied everyone access who wasn't an employee. The garbage truck driver was confused on why he wasn't let in as he had no idea what was happening.
Preindustrialcyborg@reddit
reading/hearing this must have been absolutely insane. Crazy to think one of my favourite bands was in US airspace during this, and that it could've been them.
side note- could someone tell me about the air canada problems mentioned above?
DharmaDemocracy@reddit (OP)
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