Is it really this simple?

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Is it really this simple?

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no_one_knows42@reddit

Hollywood figured out 100 years ago that people prefer looking at attractive people instead of uggos. Not complicated

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Lukebekz@reddit

And the Brits figured out that a talented actor does not have to be attractive in order to tell a compelling story.

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Corbakobasket@reddit

That's not a golden rule, though. Ugly characters are appreciated, when they are well written. Proof : team fortress 2

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Wonderful_Ad8791@reddit

There is only 1 ugly + dumb character in TF2. They appears when your screen turns black.

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xXHalalManXx@reddit

There’s not one single character in tf2 that’s ugly. You just got filtered by a game that’s 17 years old

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freemason777@reddit

pyro? that you?

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xariznightmare2908@reddit

Team Fortress 2 design isn't "ugly", they are stylized with cartoony charm you often see in 90s-2000s action cartoons like Venture Bros and The Incredibles. https://preview.redd.it/hoiuc04786od1.jpeg?width=1192&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c313ad853c72f1c259368457dcfc00ff480280dc

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tugboatnavy@reddit

I'll say it for the girlies. They're all attractive. Scout > Heavy = Engi > Medic

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Throwaway54397680@reddit

That's bullshit women love Medic

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Contemporarium@reddit

Medic is hot as hell

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I_need_to_vent44@reddit

> putting Scout above Medic

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CulturalZombie795@reddit

Who tf is ugly in TF2?

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eSteamation@reddit

I think for ugly characters to look good, they have to be designed as an ugly character. People that create Concord / Horizon / etc designs aren't making them with that in mind. In their eyes they're making "real people".

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wolfiehaha@reddit

Tf when did horizon have an ugly chara

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ToxicRainn@reddit

So true, I'm totally on board with this take for Concord, but people who say Alloy is ugly are genuinely crazy from my pov. Same with Mary Jane from spider-man 2. They're not like 10s but they are FAR from ugly.

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FrazzleFlib@reddit

i think its maybe because in FW they did actually change the fucking shape of Aloys face for some reason and its so weird, like she still looks good but she looks like a slightly different person its so odd but thankfully theres a mod to get the old face model back but keep the way better skin and hair texturing, it looks amazing

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Tyr808@reddit

Oh that’s so good to know. I haven’t played either yet but the face model swap in the sequel is absurd

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Oceanus5000@reddit

When you take a perfectly fine person’s face and then make them fat, is that not making them ugly?

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Scared-Opportunity28@reddit

Marry Jane though looks worse than even her actress, how do they fuck that up?

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eSteamation@reddit

Since Forbidden West? I mean, they're not ugly as in hideous person that would get riduculed online with some screen capture, but her face is like 4 or 5/10 and she's main character, so she's not supposed to be "average". At least that's my experience, especially if you go outside and look at faces / facial structure itself and ignore the problems could be solved by skin care / facial care or just not eating junk / harmful food. Maybe for the Westerners this is well above average?

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FrazzleFlib@reddit

if you think Aloy is ugly youre braindead (she looks slightly worse in FW for some reason but shes still good)

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ReddutSucksAss@reddit

She's ugly af

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eSteamation@reddit

> Since Forbidden West? I mean, they're not ugly as in hideous person that would get riduculed online with some screen capture, but her face is like 4 or 5/10 and she's main character, so she's not supposed to be "average". >At least that's my experience, especially if you go outside and look at faces / facial structure itself and ignore the problems could be solved by skin care / facial care or just not eating junk / harmful food. Maybe for the Westerners this is well above average?

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FrazzleFlib@reddit

i think youre slightly exaggerating how bad she looks in FW but its absolutely made worse by the fact that if they just kept her face model the exact same as in ZD she looks amazing with the better textures, its so weird that they changed it lol

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Wonderful_Ad8791@reddit

This comment painted a picture in my mind that your poor math teacher always take deep breaths before looking at your exam papers. The scale of 0-10 indicates that the average of the scale is the average of 0 and 10 so with your words, a 4-5-6 face *IS* the literal average of the scale. To better express your opinion, the score for the character you are expressing disdain for is 1-2-3.

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eSteamation@reddit

I don't know what to tell you, but maybe you should try to read the message again? Yes, 5 is literally average and I'm saying that she's maybe slightly below average or average, which would be fine for some NPC, but not for main character.

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Joe234248@reddit

Agreed. If everything you watch is casted with attractive people, you’re not watching good tv.

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MadHatterFR@reddit

Tf2 characters are not ugly though, most of them look about average too. Ugly for men isn't the same thing as ugly for women

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Corbakobasket@reddit

...which is kinda fucked up when you think about it. Kinda implies that the most desirable thing in a man is his personality, while the most desirable thing in a women is her looks.

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SolitarySage@reddit

Correction, the most desirable thing in men is their capabilities

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Izzyrion_the_wise@reddit

I read a quote somewhere that actresses are cast for looking good, actors are cast for looking distinct. The TF2 mercs, while neither particularly ugly nor good looking are very distinct and recognizable.

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dmthirdeye@reddit

Having A ugly character or two can be exetemely effective but having an entire cast be ugly are completely different things

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Fzrit@reddit

> Ugly characters are appreciated, when they are well written. And male. Name 1 ugly playable female character who is ugly but well written and liked. Doesn't exist. Ugly characters can only work if they are male. > Proof: team fortress 2 All TF2 playable characters are male.

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betterthaneukaryotes@reddit

... which of them is *ugly* ??

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SpaceOdysseus23@reddit

Hollywood has forgotten that fact over the past decade

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nurpleclamps@reddit

They started letting angry lesbians dictate the rules. You would think angry lesbians would like attractive females, but no.

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BlueDragon101@reddit

I mean, I fully understand that lesbians and straight guys have different standards for what counts as attractive (not lower/higher, per se. Just different taste), but I also have a vague sense of what those standards are, and Concord, for example…is not that? At all? I mean, go look at any gay indie game, i bet you that the character designs in that are probably more appealing than concord.

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nurpleclamps@reddit

It’s like what corporate people feel lesbians want.

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SleeplessTaxidermist@reddit

Corporations need to start listening to gay men instead. I wanna see BIG HAIRY MAN TITTIES for MILES ON END. ACRES 👏 OF 👏 THEM. They don't need shirts because they have MAN HAIR on their MAN TITS. HOO-RA! Also they can be attractive in the face or whatever I guess.

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BlueDragon101@reddit

Well, I'm definitely blaming business majors in some capacity. Probably some mandate that the characters be wholesome and un-lewdable or smth.

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nurpleclamps@reddit

Worst. Idea. Ever.

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bunker_man@reddit

In Celeste even though the art is cartoony you can tell the mc is supposed to be somewhat attractive.

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dmthirdeye@reddit

They hate them actually, 90% of them became dykes because men won't fuck them

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Hrdina_Imperia@reddit

Somebody should've told Concord devs.

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plsdontlewdlolis@reddit

Woke took over Concord devs

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Xalterai@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/93kjx0gvc5od1.png?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c06c2a4cde2842c8b4e2c6a909d49c629354ca21

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Xalterai@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/hc5oxm47d5od1.png?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d78c98354ffb03646e5ef6c848e406cb33c1a412

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plsdontlewdlolis@reddit

Someone out there approved this design and another guy made this

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Wonderful_Ad8791@reddit

They tried to copy roadhog's sexy figure but failed miserably.

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YabbaDabbaDumbass@reddit

A comically overweight video game character is one thing, but a comically overweight human isn’t even comical, it’s just sad looking. And that’s what they did wrong, they made their characters look too realistic. So any personality in their designs looks stupid.

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Flyingsheep___@reddit

It's weird how she's fat, but the high-wasted pants and coat are trying to hide it. Roadhog's whole design is "look at this dude and how fat and potbellied he is", he design is so weird with how obvious it is that she's fat as shit, but trying to hide it. Reminds me a ton of the fat women who wear leggings up to their boobs to hide the rolls and don't realize how obvious it is.

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Adventurous-Band7826@reddit

Daw was supposed to be a male character, like Ned https://preview.redd.it/53k6gpf179od1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da6d6caf7e0b3a33a5873470527883c6d66f48b8

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YandereNoelle@reddit

Roashog from overwatch, Ellie from borderlands, you can make characters look somewhat nice while also giving them a unique flair and being overweight, especially when paired when good sound design and voice work

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nebenbaum@reddit

Fun fact: it's a he.

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Uncle480@reddit

Why does he have a cameltoe?

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UrMumVeryGayLul@reddit

His penis is an innie.

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DauntedSoul@reddit

I don't think the clothes are meant to be "hide" that she's fat.

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StarSpliter@reddit

Damn ngl I didn't even think about roadhouse also being big backed but not ugly as crap. Overwatch when it came to character designs really had it on lock for hero shooters. It's a shame they fumbled the bag.

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Wonderful_Ad8791@reddit

Blizzard's got their character designs down pat since diablo time, they know what their customers want. This new game whatchamacallit has the part "hero" in hero shooter confused with a Disney/Marvel comedy so instead of designing heroes, they designed gag characters. These characters will do very well in a racist/sarcastic old style comedy though.

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YandereNoelle@reddit

The artists at blizzard have put in work

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Braindeadkarthus@reddit

Blizzard has a great initial development department, it’s just a shame that balance and ongoing development are so terrible

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Jujubees1269@reddit

This had to be a troll by the devs. 'Okay, you want us to make a cringey, androgynous, ehtnically ambiguous, and morbidly obese character that is hard to look at for more than two seconds before triggering an instinctive reaction of both confusion and repulsion? Comin right up!'

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Apprehensive_Lab4595@reddit

This one needs stamina bar that depletes in 5 seconds

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CulturalZombie795@reddit

LOL!

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MulleRizz@reddit

That's generous

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Cassandraofastroya@reddit

Hey pute a NSFL tag

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Touhou_Fever@reddit

I can’t stop comparing this design to Mei’s lmaoooo

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Micsuking@reddit

Mei's rule34 page proves they are incomparable.

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Touhou_Fever@reddit

![gif](giphy|gVoBC0SuaHStq)

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SpicySpicyRamen@reddit

Please tell me this ain't the official design. Please.

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Stojevenhuas@reddit

it is...or it was.

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Uncle480@reddit

I thought this was fake until I saw the list of characters lmao

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Soffix-@reddit

That's a huge hit box

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nurpleclamps@reddit

It's like they're all wearing ill fitting early 80s ski clothes.

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Jojoflap@reddit

A part of it is they look somewhere in the uncanny valley between cartoonish and trying to look realistic.

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sleepingjiva@reddit

Why are there no white people

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Beneficial_Pear9705@reddit

the game was designed to portray an ideal utopia

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apple_jam_infinity@reddit

White people do not exist they are government bots

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Nochnichtvergeben@reddit

r/whitepeoplearentreal

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darklightx117@reddit

there is but that was that green lizard dude with revolver and they say that is a "white guy" and the other is 1 looks almost like a white guy but people say he is South American so...idk

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KarlPc167@reddit

Make characters look ugly = inclusive Making characters look attractive = objectifying

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gwammz@reddit

Also catering to the Male Gaze (TM).

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Beneficial_Pear9705@reddit

as opposed to the male gays

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Conch-Republic@reddit

That went *way* past just woke. It was pure tone deaf pandering. Baldur's Gate is 'woke', Cyberpunk is 'woke', Concord was Firewalk's/Sony's attempt at a cheap cash grab.

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Jugaimo@reddit

I dunno, I kinda like Ned from Spiderman.

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ChargeProper@reddit

Oh they thought their characters were attractive, the professor told them they were right

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Mammoth-Reveal-238@reddit

No one was allowed to speak out, look it up there was a crazy person pretty much in charge of them

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nurpleclamps@reddit

If that's the case I love that it got no sales.

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Dapper-Print9016@reddit

Her preferred pronoun was Professor. No she didn't teach at a college or university.

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HelloYouSuck@reddit

Ken Griffin and his homies WANT to kill successful games.

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Turbulent-Willow2156@reddit

Thanks, Hollywood, i didn’t know that i like things that i like before.

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Fzrit@reddit

Uggos are completely fine in male characters if they are cool/badass. They can have literally any face type or body type and it won't be labeled as woke/DEI trash, as long as their personality is cool or they have fun gameplay. But uggo female characters will never be liked because their personality is irrelevant. What people want from female characters is looking cute, sexy, hot, etc. There are very few acceptable faces and body types which meet that requirement. Anything else is just woke/DEI trash. It's an extremely simple formula that Asian devs and older/veteran Western devs understand. But modern devs keep thinking they can make uggo female characters, and refuse to accept the fact that uggo females don't sell.

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Krawq@reddit

Ugly male characters in video games are always masculine, which is why it works. You can still be very masculine if you’re ugly but femininity is more closely associated with beauty so it’s hard for a design to be both ugly and feminine. Can you name a popular ugly male character that’s feminine? If masculine female characters aren’t balanced out by feminine features to make them hot, they’ll end up resembling a feminine man and labeled “woke trash.”

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nurpleclamps@reddit

It so weird how everybody is perfectly cool with all the dudes looking like Mr. Olympia but if there's fit attractive females involved it's some kind of sleight against women. Like, sorry your boobs aren't as big in real life or you're fatter than the character, maybe just don't play that game if that makes you sad or upset.

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Fzrit@reddit

Unfit unattractive male characters are fine. Unfit unattractive female characters are immediately classified as woke/DEI trash.

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tukatu0@reddit

You are wrong. Males can be sexualized but women not. That's woke

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_Gargantua@reddit

Do you think the value or merit of a game is defined by how many copies it sells?

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benis444@reddit

But somehow adam driver and pete davidson are successful in Hollywood

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Vanilla3K@reddit

Adam driver is attractive but not conventionally and pete davidson is a comedian, nobody minds his look but he seems to be considered attractive with all the diff gfs he got during the years.

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benis444@reddit

Then incels literally have no excuse when pete davidson can pull with humour so many hotties

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freemason777@reddit

I'm not saying incels have an excuse but Pete Davidson is attractive though and does nothing to prove your point. Brian baumgartner maybe

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Vanilla3K@reddit

You're absolutely correct, good personality does soooo much. Charismatic people with good people skills are legit very attractive.

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GirthOBirth@reddit

Honestly I had no interest in DC or Marvel back then how well was Halle Berrys cat woman received? I know it was a shitty movie but was anyone complaining that Selena Kyle was played by a black chick?

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Drimoss@reddit

It's not even just about beauty it's about their designs not being memorable at all. League of legends has "ugly" characters like monsters and urgot and singed but they designs are cool and memorable and make sense. Concord character designs sucks because they have no personality to them. I look at an overwatch character and even though I've never played I could probably make a decent guess as to their role and personality. When I look at concord characters I cannot tell you a single thing about them because they are *that* bad. The colors make no sense (someone skipped color theory). They're not just ugly designs, they're bad designs as video game characters.

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nurpleclamps@reddit

they look "corporate" like not like an artist designed them but a guy in a suit with some shitty market research dictated them.

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The_Church_Of_Todd@reddit

“Uggos” 😂

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Marik-X-Bakura@reddit

Doesn’t mean every character has to be knock-out gorgeous, and looks don’t make a product

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Spudtron98@reddit

Hollywood beauty standards are bullshit and actively harmful.

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FavOfYaqub@reddit

Guilty gear in a nutshell

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SunderedValley@reddit

1) Make attractive characters 2) Don't otherwise shit on the user BG3 was not the prettiest or the least millennial eye-rolly but it did this far less than the rest despite being progressive as hell and it worked perfectly. All the you have to do is not make people feel hated.

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Marik-X-Bakura@reddit

I don’t remember any games actually doing step 2, players just like to pretend they’re being oppressed when they can’t jack off to 2d women

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Totoques22@reddit

Concord did, unsurprisingly

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Fzrit@reddit

Nobody even knows about that unless you specifically follow some key people on social media. Like, outside this subreddit nobody knows or cares what a Concord dev might have said. The vast majority of people just didn't care about Concord because it looked horribly bland with shitty gameplay, and then they forgot the game even existed. This is the only sub still making 10 threads a day about Concord.

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Totoques22@reddit

That’s just wrong, stop assuming things so that it fits your narrative It’s not one dev on social media but straight up during one of their official announcements

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Llanolinn@reddit

I mean, that's not the reason it failed.

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xX_bitch_Xx@reddit

whatd they say?

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Totoques22@reddit

« White cis able bodied men should get used to not being the default » Which is a rather aggressive way to say that their hero shooter will have a diverse cast … like every other mainstream hero shooter since it’s a genre that really lends itself to diverse casts as shown by Overwatch or Valorant for example Hell Overwatch goes even beyond every other by taking negative country stereotypes and flipping them like their tropes Symmetra is Indian but she is a highly educated women and a very skilled architect who builder modern cities in opposition to the shit filled Indian street stereotype Mei is a Chinese researcher who was studying climate change in Antarctic in opposition to China being generally considered to biggest polluters in the world

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Kicooi@reddit

You’re acting like the Chuds didn’t lose their minds over the diversity of Overwatch characters too lol

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CyberneticSaturn@reddit

Yeah they lost their minds making special tools to enhance the 3d model porn they could make.

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keituzi177@reddit

Not even aggressive, just fucking pretentious. Gamergate was over 10 years ago, the majority of people still getting butthurt about this are chronically-online neckbeards. Why even bother bringing it up? Who the fuck cares? What about your actual GAME, instead of your faction in the lame-ass culture war? The fact it was so half-assed proves they don't even gve a fuck about representation, and at best were trying to appeal to Twitter's lukewarm-IQ userbase. They can get away with saying this dumb shit, because saying they put any amount of conscious thought or cohesive effort into it would be a blatant lie. So just virtue signal instead and hope enough mouthbreathers clap enough for daddy to break out his credit card

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Fzrit@reddit

> during one of their official announcements Which, again, the vast majority never gave a shit about.

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SuperMegaCoolPerson@reddit

I dunno man, I first heard about that shit fifth hand on Twitter like a week before I saw anything on reddit, and it wasn’t even on this sub. And that was actually the first I had heard about Concord so it’s not like my algorithm was tuned to shove Concord down my throat.

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gwammz@reddit

Ubisoft's SW Outlaws, and AC Shadows doing step 2.

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Marik-X-Bakura@reddit

You know Assassin’s Creed isn’t the first thing to portray Yasuke as a samurai, right

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gwammz@reddit

Just as you know that AC is the first one to say he was a legendary samurai, and how that's historically accurate; right?

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Marik-X-Bakura@reddit

Assassin’s also never fought Templars, and Leonardo Da Vinci never built a working tank. AC has always taken small details from history and exaggerated them to create events that never happened. Yasuke’s situation is hardly unique and it’s really weird how so many people are up in arms about it.

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gwammz@reddit

Did Ubisoft ever market those AC games as historically accurate? And yes, the "Yasuke situation" is unique in the AC series.

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Marik-X-Bakura@reddit

Ubisoft outright said they took liberties with the game and no, his situation isn’t unique at all. Hell, historians can’t even decide whether he was a samurai or not, and no conclusion has been universally agreed upon. But either way, the cooler interpretation is the one that deserves to be put in a game.

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gwammz@reddit

>Ubisoft outright said they took liberties with the game Only after they called out on saying it's so historically accurate, you can learn Japanese history. >and no, his situation isn’t unique at all. On the contrary. Yasuke situation is unique within the AC series. >Hell, historians can’t even decide whether he was a samurai or not and no conclusion has been universally agreed upon. This is just a pathetic attempt at making both options sound equally possible. They are not. Chances that he was a samurai are extremely small. Chances he was a *legendary* samurai, as Ubisoft tries to sell it, are even slimmer. >But either way, the cooler interpretation is the one that deserves to be put in a game. Sure. Just not as main playable character. (This is that unique AC situation we were talking about earlier.)

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m50d@reddit

It's amazing how the current hegemonic culture says "when a minority tells you something is important to them, you should believe them and go along with it if you can, even if it's weird/creepy/makes no sense to you, rather than judging them for it" and also "men want sex", but never follows through on putting these two things together.

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Marik-X-Bakura@reddit

Mate I don’t know what the fuck you’re on about. I don’t even know what you’re trying to say with that first part, and it doesn’t even connect to the second because men aren’t a minority lmao.

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Shpleeblee@reddit

Pretty he's referring to anything relating to the game like dev comments, not just the game. If a dev makes it known that they think you should do/be/think xyz when playing their game, I'm just not going to touch it. If you want me to be aware of something, have it show up in your game without making the whole game about shoving it in your face. Just leave the real-world politics at the door, make a good game that preferably looks what most people consider good. It's that simple.

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Marik-X-Bakura@reddit

That’s such a childish way to approach media. Real world politics exist and can absolutely be represented in art, and have been since the dawn of time. Do you get this upset about stuff like Animal Farm?

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keeleon@reddit

The games might not buy the spokespeople sure don't know how to keep their mouths shut.

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tukatu0@reddit

Saints row reboot

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Useless_bum81@reddit

So you haven't played dustborn (don't worry only about 100 people have) and/or you don't follow devs on twitter.

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breekibree@reddit

All you have to do is make a good Game, nobody gives a shit about how the characters look if the game is good.

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theprodigalslouch@reddit

Was horizon a good game?

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PCmasterRACE187@reddit

quite overrated imo. the combat was seriously shit and the story wasnt super engaging ngl. the setting and world concept is awesome shitty open world elements pushed it past the edge. disclaimer: my opinion

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FrazzleFlib@reddit

controller moment maybe? the combat is kinda ass on controller because its primarily shooting, but playing through Ultra Hard on KBM was a fucking amazing time for me. the side quests are eh but its just more game to play and if the combat is enjoyable then theyre gonna be decent at worst. the story is also a bit of a snooze until like the last third in all fairness, but it hugely picks up at that point imo. also probably wouldnt help if you had open world fatigue when you played it especially considering when it came out. i must admit i used a mod to make the inventory management a non-issue lmao

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nurpleclamps@reddit

I think apples are so much better than oranges, just a more versatile fruit, really.

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PCmasterRACE187@reddit

u trying to say bg3 and spiderman arent comparable? because im not the one who threw a hissy fit when bg3 won GOTY. i wouldnt make the comparison if they hadn’t

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breekibree@reddit

Idk what you want to imply here but yes, Metacritic has 8.4 for Zero Dawn and 7.9 for Forbidden West in the user score. Sales were also pretty good so I would say yes, it was a good game.

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theprodigalslouch@reddit

Lots of people seemed to be mad about the way the character looked(i.e not feminine enough). People do absolutely give a shit how the characters look. You only need to look at ops post and this comment thread.

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breekibree@reddit

"Lots of people" - aka a small online minority. Forbidden West even outsold Zero Dawn, so you could argue that it was more successfull - despite the "not feminine enough" Aloy.

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theprodigalslouch@reddit

Are we moving goalposts now?

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ZookeepergameFit6680@reddit

That's not what "moving goalposts" means. Stop trying to make complicated arguments when your understanding of logical fallacies is severely flawed. Saying "hey it almost scored as well as the original in user driven scores and even outsold the original" is not changing the goal post from "making a game good is all that really matters". Your implication is dumb anyways, considering the original controversy came from some no-name Twitter account making a stupid take, then having it blown up by reactionaries taking sides about it.

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theprodigalslouch@reddit

> nobody gives a shit about how the characters look if the game is good Goes to: “a small online community” Then to: “some no-name twitter account” If no one truly cared, then this thread with 200+ comments specifically about how characters look wouldn’t exist. Entire communities dedicated to overwatch sfm wouldn’t exist. The gaming community on Reddit alone has had numerous posts and threads on this alone

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breekibree@reddit

The sequel outsold the original game. If so many people were mad because of the main character, it would not have done that.

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nurpleclamps@reddit

She looked more realistic and less like a made up doll. More like a real person.

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theprodigalslouch@reddit

And that was an issue for some

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nurpleclamps@reddit

Horizon Zero Dawn Was great. The new one has some of the best graphics in videogames to date although I liked the story in the first one better and the combat mechanics are super tight.

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clubdon@reddit

Loved the first one. Second one was good but just didn’t quite feel as good as the first to me. I also think Aloy is fine looking. I don’t really understand the talk about that one. Not every female protagonist needs to be Lara Croft or stellar blade Eve to be attractive.

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theprodigalslouch@reddit

Thank you for understanding my implications

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FrazzleFlib@reddit

yes

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JessHorserage@reddit

Sure, but they, of what i've heard, dropped the ball in the "friend to shagging" line, and chapter 3.

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Mrf12345@reddit

"From what I've heard". How about you actually experience things yourself and make your opinion instead of relaying on others, especially when it's things that are false.

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JessHorserage@reddit

So, the dev team have fixed the platonic relationships? I've heard it pretty consistently that it's easy to make them like you, and it just keeps going. Oh, and chapter 3 was in regards to character design if i'm not mistaken.

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LethrblakaBlodhgarm2@reddit

Yeah my dude it was in the 3rd patch iirc. Had to make the NPC's less horny

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JessHorserage@reddit

Oh, no kidding, good on them, when was that?

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LethrblakaBlodhgarm2@reddit

Abt 6 months ago? Idk im adhd af lmao

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JessHorserage@reddit

Fair dues.

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Stephenrudolf@reddit

Closer to a year ago now. That was fixed very shortly after launch.

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LethrblakaBlodhgarm2@reddit

Adhd goes brrrrrrrrr Honestly feels like my last birthday was 6 months ago too and it's legit in a month

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Hyperversum@reddit

If you don't find Karlach and Shadowheart hot, that's your bad. Laezel isn't even from the mortal plane and they already pretty-fied the gith enough. Jaheira is a milf. Can't say much about the men, but all those women melting down at Astarion saying "on your knees" tell me they enjoyed him at least.

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Conch-Republic@reddit

Shadowheart is so fucking annoying though.

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thelostclone@reddit

You forgot to mention the emperor

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AnimeProfilePic@reddit

bg3 has pretty hot characters what do you mean

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tukatu0@reddit

Uh. No

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Chewiemuse@reddit

Well and be actually interested and engaged with your own fucking product. Thats what made BG3 work the most, the developers and founder of Larian love the IP and treated it with intense respect. Obviously we see the opposite with alot of these "Woke" games.

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SunderedValley@reddit

Exactly. It didn't come at it from the angle of "we need to FIX this" or \[long rant about how they always loved it followed by completely disregarding everything\].

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Chewiemuse@reddit

Ah the "Made for Modern Audience" angle, BOLD STRATEGY COTTTON lmao

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anthonycarbine@reddit

Bg3 didn't have any fat or ugly people. Literally the body types are 'slim' or 'jacked'

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Velocita84@reddit

I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I think BG3 characters look ugly except for maybe shadowheart

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cake_molester@reddit

Astarion and bad looking??

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Velocita84@reddit

The male characters look pretty good actually, i'm mostly talking about the women. They're just mid

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Stephenrudolf@reddit

Oh... so you're gay?

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Tronerfull@reddit

I wouldnt say ugly, the look ... normal, like they might be handsome or pretty under certain angles or to the tastes of someone, but also ugly under unfavorable angles. Shadowheart is the more good looking one and she still has angles and expresions that make her ugly. I liked that about them the faces felt more real, not made explicitly hot nor explicitly ugly.

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UltimateInferno@reddit

Despite bangs, long sides, and tail being my favorite hairstyle, hers doesn't really work on me for some reason

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Stephenrudolf@reddit

Honestly the voice actor, hers and jaheira's did half the work of attraction for me.

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Kriegsman__69th@reddit

You dare disrespect Bae'zel ?!!

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Velocita84@reddit

Come on you can't tell me that small upturned nose doesn't just look outright goofy

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Magic_Red117@reddit

She’s a frog alien lmao. Do you want her to just look like a normal human then? What’s the point of having a fantasy setting?

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Velocita84@reddit

Nothing wrong with it but i'm a human and it doesn't look human so i don't think it's attractive

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Doddlers@reddit

Her short flat nose is an advantage. Our fleshy bulby noses stick out too much.

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NoScrying@reddit

How dare you besmirch Karlach like this

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Velocita84@reddit

She looks too masculine for me, sorry musclemommybros

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UltimateInferno@reddit

I'm ashamed of how much I'm into Karlach.

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Cauchemar89@reddit

No need, girl is beautiful in looks and particular in character. She has such a genuine happy-go-lucky attitude that it's impossible to dislike her.

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MadLadsHere@reddit

don’t be, she’s beautiful

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Infernester@reddit

They hated him because he told the truth

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LordBaguetteAlmighty@reddit

Do you mean ugly as in "real life people ugly" or "badly designed video game character ugly"

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Lanky-Firefighter-90@reddit

he probably meant "mid"

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Eclaiv2@reddit

Is there a monster that only attacks right eyes in there?

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JohnTHICC22@reddit

Im gonna be real, I dont play games because characters are hot, I play games for their gameplay and story. Concord imho didnt fail because the characters werent 10/10 porn material, it failed because it was a $40 hero shooter with nothing to offer

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Xalterai@reddit

I'm just saying, if Overwatch looked as ugly as Concord and didn't have characters hot enough to make an Alexandrian library of porn, it would have been far less popular

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JohnTHICC22@reddit

There is more people jorking it to Overwatch than people actually playing it though. Concord would shutdown after 2 weeks even if the characters were gooning material

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Wraeghul@reddit

You underestimate the power of people attractive characters.

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_sephylon_@reddit

Yes. Also tons of weebs thirst traps makes ton of money.

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Xalterai@reddit

Idk why people are down voting, you're right. Gacha games exist solely because weebs will spend thousands to Pentuple Evolve mega Ultra their Waifu and her weapon

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Cauchemar89@reddit

The characters don't necessarily need to be hot, but they need to be appealing. Overwatch has a wide cast of characters where you can gauge the personality of a character in a single glance: a flipping cyborg ninja, an explosive maniac, a femme fatale, an edgelord etc. And this helps you find a character who appeals to you. You look at Concord's cast and with the majority of the characters you can barely identify any personality - they're straight-up unappealing. Valve's Deadlock is a good example of an appealing cast of characters.

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SomnicGrave@reddit

My only thing with this is that usually the window for "appealing" is much narrower for women. It's not like conventionally unattractive women can't be well-liked in video games, some are out there, but it's difficult and shit is so political now that mfs start brigading the moment female characters aren't Victoria's Secret models.

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LordVaderVader@reddit

Deadlock wasn't even released let's wait for premiere

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Flyingsheep___@reddit

My test is just to pull up characters and ask "What is their personality". What do you think the lizard guy's deal is? What about the alien chick with the alt haircut? It's literally all just regular looking people.

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Dapper-Print9016@reddit

"She probably spends a lot of time as an activist for a cause you could refute with a cursory search of FBI statistics."

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frostN0VA@reddit

I dunno... you make a HERO SHOOTER where characters are supposed to be one of the main appeals and you fail miserably on that front. I'd guess it did play a part in that failure. You don't have to make your characters "hot" to make them appealing. Look at Apex for example. There's like one character made with "hot" in mind - Loba. But the entire cast has interesting designs and/or personalities that work well. Or look at Deadlock for example.

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JohnTHICC22@reddit

Yeah but you also have to consider the fact that Apex and Deadlock are fun to play

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MadHatterFR@reddit

It's not that you don't play them because they are hot, but that you wouldn't play them if they looked disgusting on purpose and made honestly.

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Marik-X-Bakura@reddit

Tell that to r/mauler and r/asmongold, they’re cesspits at the best of times but Jesus Christ

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JohnTHICC22@reddit

Those subs are so fucking unbearable. People on their never saw a woman ever

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KarlPc167@reddit

Nah it might ultimately fail but it will definitely not be such a free falling spectacle if the characters are can interest the coomers. Hell it might even buy the game enough time to turn it around.

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Dundertrumpen@reddit

100% this. Why pay money for a game when there are a gazillion alternatives already out there that are free? It doesn't make sense.

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zman419@reddit

This may be a mindblowing concept to some of you. But a game not having characters you can't jack off to doesn't make it woke or bad

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leravioligirl@reddit

I feel like if you slap EVERY kind of diversity on one character, it becomes kind of ghoulish and caricature-ish.

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SambandsTyr@reddit

Idk why people are up in their feelings about concord. If anything it's a great case to other companies on what not to do so ultimately it's win going forward.

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cold_soup_@reddit

what game is this though?

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s_t_u_f_f@reddit

Metaphor: Refantazio, it comes out in October and it's by the same people who made Persona and Shin Megami Tensei.

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Alsett_@reddit

So it will release a bigger and better version next year and 3 dance games in between?

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Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit

I hope so, but I'm also waiting for p5 racing

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s_t_u_f_f@reddit

Dear fucking God I hope so

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PooeyPatoeei@reddit

Us Megaten fans are worse than COD fans sometimes.

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Rikolai_17@reddit

It fucking sucks being a fan of both

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VMK_1991@reddit

To give you a serious answer, Atlus is doing away with this practice, as far as I can see, with SMT5 being the last rerelease. For example, Persona 3 remake gets DLC rather than new version.

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Thenderick@reddit

No wonder the art style and character design looks familiar

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Proper_Razzmatazz_36@reddit

Metaphor refanzio(or something like that) it should be releasing next month

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IWantToCobainMyself@reddit

Anime Slop: Re-Sloping

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hallucination9000@reddit

The Sloppening 2: Slop Harder

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lucdop@reddit

Anime Slop 3: Slop hard with a vengeance

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Mesarthim1349@reddit

Slop 4: Origins

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Ultrasound700@reddit

Slopigins?

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Bigshock128x@reddit

Anime slop 1&2 don’t exist silly.

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MafusailAlbert@reddit

This remake was much better then Sloppening 2: Slop Hater

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Cock_and_Co@reddit

you mean reslopping? what’s it got to do with slopes?

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Zeke-Freek@reddit

Metaphor: ReFantazio

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secondcondary@reddit

Guy on the top right is definately hideous

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Intelligent_Shoe_520@reddit

In a goofy fun way

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Fzrit@reddit

For male characters looking goofy/dumb/weird/etc is allowed, but for female characters that's no go.

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_sephylon_@reddit

Nah for females it's fine if they're actually funny and not just ugly. Look up Darlene from Dead Rising or the entirety of One Piece.

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avagrantthought@reddit

What entirety of one piece? Any female character that sticks around and doesn’t just disappear from relevance after 20 chapters is automatically gorgeous (eg vivi, nami, shirahoshi, yamato, robin etc).

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Fzrit@reddit

> Look up Darlene from Dead Rising Darlene is literally supposed to be the embodiment of gluttony and is also a psycho. She's not a protagonist. Ugly females are allowed if they are evil. But not as a protagonist. > or the entirety of One Piece Eh? All the One Piece female protagonists are sexy af. In fact the author literally said he's working on improving how he draws female butts to make them sexier.

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_sephylon_@reddit

Well if you‘re talking about protagonists it works with neither genders

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bitchtittees@reddit

Or ellies from borderlands 2

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RunInRunOn@reddit

Male characters get to look weird, female characters get to act weird

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secondcondary@reddit

I guess

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BloodSuckingToga@reddit

i don't find him attractive but his character design is one i want to continue looking at, that's for sure

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Dom_19@reddit

Unattractive characters aren't a problem if done right, it's uninspired characters that are always a problem. People always use Overwatch as an example of good character design, but I wouldn't exactly consider Roadhog attractive.

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Hyperversum@reddit

Nor Junkrat, nor do many find Zaira attractive. Butch haircut and being built like a brickhouse may work for some people but... Well, there isn't much of her, did you notice?

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Skulfunk@reddit

Charismatic doesn’t (always) mean handsome.

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BloodSuckingToga@reddit

exactly

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Flyingsheep___@reddit

Exactly, the issue isn't hotness or attractiveness, the issue is visual appeal. Look at Igor in the Persona franchise, the dude is hideous, but his design is awesome and striking and immediately recognizable.

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freemason777@reddit

so like... your eyes are.... attracted

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Tronerfull@reddit

That forehead is hipnotic.

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UltimateInferno@reddit

Appealing != Pretty. They can have a beer gut with an underbite and snaggle tooth and still be appealing to look at. Hell, Shrek isn't particularly the most conventionally attractive, but his design is also undeniably well done. His weight gives off a cuddly vibe despite the fact he's supposed to be a scary monster. Which is fair as he's the protagonist of a kid's movie.

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freemason777@reddit

not really. he just has weird facial hair

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Spudtron98@reddit

>Thing: Japan

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tukatu0@reddit

Western sony: 🤮 Eastern sony: Knack 🤑

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Hawaiian_Shirt12@reddit

UH OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH KNACK IS BACK BAYBEEEE

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Fuzzy-Spread9720@reddit

Nah it gotta have anime titties too Especially the male

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CulturalZombie795@reddit

wut

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aciluu@reddit

Ehat gaem is di

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Legitimate-Ad-6267@reddit

Well designed ugly man: haha funny look at that fatass Well designed, by no means ugly woman, not made to be porn material: the westbros have fallen... 😔

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Zero_Good_Questions@reddit

Yes, literally yes. The secret is to make a cast of good written characters we’re at the Birmingham good looking characters who happen to be diverse. Then don’t bring up how diverse your cast is at all and no one will complain

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Beneficial_Pear9705@reddit

idk that dude with the beardstache and pince-nez is looking pretty … non-optimal to me

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SomnicGrave@reddit

Kind of disagree in that I think there's nothing wrong with hideous characters in games lol

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gbuub@reddit

Who knew it wasn’t wokeness that tanked games. It’s the uggos

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MissiaichParriah@reddit

I mean yeah, wasn't BG3 pretty woke? It still delivered

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TumeArandu@reddit

I love how you people literally have only one example of a good woke game. You remind me of the commies claiming videogames would still exist under communism because of Tetris.

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MissiaichParriah@reddit

Yeah, because it's fun

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R4msesII@reddit

I mean, it did win goty last year

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HansChrst1@reddit

"ugly" characters is only a problem if the game is bad. The characters don't even have to be ugly for people to hate them. As long as they aren't supermodels or 10/10 they are ugly. Anything average is woke garbage.

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Fzrit@reddit

Female uggos, to be specific. Male uggos are fine.

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reitenshi@reddit

Woke people love uggos, it makes them feel represented

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PeachesGuy@reddit

"B-but they are not stereotypical, which means they're not realistic"

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Germsrosolino@reddit

I mean in BG3 I play a scarred up female tiefling who has so far romanced a white female human, a black male human, a male illithid, and a female demon. And I have more plans muah ha ha. My point is a game can have things most people consider “woke”, and still be incredible. As Zack has said a few times the woke shit isn’t the problem. If Concord played well and was genuinely a good game people who have played it. The problems were 1) the game was a hackneyed copy cat of existing (free) games with a marked up price tag 2) the people make the game seemed to go out of their way to insult potential customers and told those same potential customers “if you don’t like it, don’t buy it”. It’s literally a shining example of dumb business practices

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Paddy32@reddit

No stereotypical trait on the face and it's gg

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Blazerprime@reddit

Yes, it never does the problem. Is that there ugly, making caring much harder l.

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-imivan-@reddit

Yes.

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minecrafthentai69@reddit

Is that fucking Adachi

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Friedrichs_Simp@reddit

Basilio?

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OneSushi@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/fwbk9uxxt6od1.jpeg?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc03f7566e81dcf0cdf3dd530e11795b48cad1ee

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Bigshock128x@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/pz53pzdk97od1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e1609d4a2207575887887f9a87382a6e64e9ecc

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OneSushi@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/q2k5obq4n7od1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=489d303e9bf7109c01e6a7559ab5ee3639b43a3d

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Bigshock128x@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/ld6qye0en7od1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2aa726fd49f45d3262d0e4b28da0b3cc705b7710

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OneSushi@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/7ll7j0zvo7od1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebb9999452c0852d98030a238ed2761bf21d853d

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Cute-Vegetable3@reddit

Great Vegetables

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XXVAngel@reddit

No way Adachi broke out of prison to become a vampire

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minecrafthentai69@reddit

BUT LE RULES!!!! LE RULES!!!!!!!

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Ragmariz@reddit

Metaphor:GetTheFuckAwayFromTheTv ReFantazio

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Adventurous_Soil9118@reddit

Because yankees only knows about "african americans". They forgot the rest of balck people. Even chineses can make a better diverse cast of characters. And chinese are most racists than 4chan

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FrankFarter69420@reddit

Fuck you, OP. This is real diversity. I need my morbidly obese black woman and some questionably trans PCs.

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GreenRiot@reddit

Also just make the diverse cast just people, not goofy caricatures while the director clearly wants everyone to throw confetti at him for putting a non-pale person as the drug lord for the 100th time.

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ReaWroud@reddit

The secret is you only make some of the men ugly. If there's even a hint of an ordinary looking woman, people will LOSE THEIR SHIT.

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Honky-Balaam@reddit

didn't they have a trailer where they said the word "diverse" or some other "woke" buzzword and people immediately went "oh no, atlus, creator of my favorite non-woke video games, has gone woke"

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GoodTitrations@reddit

“You nerds just want hot female characters to ogle at. The male gaze is utterly disgusting!” “So anyways, as I was saying, yes, we need more fat characters in games I’ll never even play because I want to feel represented.” Ok

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_Trafalgar_Outlaw_@reddit

Why do these characters look like people from Persona games?

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Bigshock128x@reddit

Same developer. Games Called Metaphor Refantasio and it’s coming out in like a month or two. Looks pretty alright.

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bdrwr@reddit

It's the anime art style. That's what it's actually about

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Berkuts_Lance_Plus@reddit

"don't make them all hideous" Are we looking at the same picture?

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1vortex_@reddit

The difference is this game has a solid art style that makes the characters worth looking at. A lot of games go for ugly characters but also a boring realistic art style.

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Livid_Damage_4900@reddit

Also make sure they fit within the law setting and aren’t a race or gender swap of already established characters, but yeah, basically just don’t do that and you’re fine

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ZombieP0ny@reddit

Yeah, make em not hideous (note, a disfigured or ugly character can still be aesthetically pleasing) and make them more than just token characters and almost nobody will complain about "diverse and inclusive casts".

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Anzire@reddit

Always make their cock hard. The secret to a good game design.

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Yosuga_Power@reddit

This game looks really good can’t wait for it to come out

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zombieGenm_0x68@reddit

what game is this

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Explorer_the_No-life@reddit

Actually, no. Your game must also be good and you can't actively antagonize your audience.

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Ok-Transition7065@reddit

What game its this??

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Ok-Transition7065@reddit

Man you can make it ugly but at least make them likable..... Its not that hard man

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CorrosiveRose@reddit

Diversity doesn't count in anime games because it's just "generic anime character #504 with dark skin"

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AnonyKiller@reddit

I mean. Make a fatass cool and interesting and you get same result (Roadhog from OW)

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Flyingsheep___@reddit

The issue is that people concerned with diversity genuinely believe that part of diversity is needing to make a bunch of them genuinely hideous. Where is the representation for 260 round ball-shaped women?

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Most_Photograph_5933@reddit

No one is complaining because nobody played this shit. No one even knows what is.

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BigHatPat@reddit

exhibit A: Hades

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kmc443@reddit

Good art style & direction goes a long way.

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Formorri@reddit

Literally if you flip the genders of the characters, this green text would be angry that you have forced diversity by having older female characters. The keyword is therefore good looking FEMALE characters

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Grabbsy2@reddit

Which brings about a good point... This post could easily just as well read "you must appease the incels, in order to stop the REEEEEEEE" Because honestly what is complaining online about video games, aside from just basic "REEEEEEE-ing"?

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D0GAMA1@reddit

I might get shit for this, but I think CD projekt red does this pretty well. even tho by all metrics, Cyberpunk should be considered a "woke" game, but it never seemed like that to me. other than one side mission.

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NeedleworkerOk170@reddit

i mean i see no actual diversity of women in this picture, other than their skin tone and cosmetics. give us an old woman or a significantly muscular one, then sure. if they're so fine with creating actually diverse men, why can't we just have that?

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Grabbsy2@reddit

Yeah, these arent actually racially diverse. This is a character that had the skin tone changed, and nothing else. Also one is purple, so not really a race, lol

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Deathisfatal@reddit

People with three eyes are my favourite kind of diversity hire

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MsDestroyer900@reddit

Ugly ≠ appealing

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Survival_R@reddit

Also if you can't make good gameplay just make hot characters and no matter how shitty your game is weirdos on the internet will defend it

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HeadpattingFurina@reddit

Nah, I watched a guy do an analysis of Concord and to sum it up the game's like Siege combined with CSGO, but the devs added a bit of Overwatch in it and tried to sell it as Valorant. Also inbalanced as hell but that's every game at the start. I say replace the cast with hardcore sci fi operators, rebalance the cast and release it as a f2p sweaty shooter and it'll do fine. Might even recoup the development cost tbh. There's a skeleton of a decent game in there, it's just not built on.

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FinestCrusader@reddit

I mean you have to take into account that they are all basically the same "anime" race in terms of facial structure, just different colors. That's very light diversity

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toomuchradiation@reddit

Overwatch's original roster is what diversity should be about. A bunch of characters from every corner of the world with their own cultural specifics but all presented as appealing.

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MarketWave@reddit

"diversity", at least for them, includes ugly people.

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Dundertrumpen@reddit

A well-written character is all it takes. They don't even have to be beautiful.

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MrCattsDad@reddit

>Don't overtly hate your intended audience It's really that simple, but for some reason it's become fashionable in the gaming industry to hate on and ignore the complaints of the customer base, as if it isn't the most detached from reality business move imaginable.

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DaveSmith890@reddit

But then the ugly people will feel… never mind, they won’t think about it. Who goes into something thinking, “I wonder which character looks like me?”

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Fraisz@reddit

you can make a character hideous but you have got to make them attractive in some other way. just look at borderlands

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Cyberbug7@reddit

Yes

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Car0lus_Rex@reddit

Ive never played this but Basilio can get it

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semhsp@reddit

hasn't even been released yet

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ch3333r@reddit

you can go with an average looking protagonist if the story is good and a character is a match (Ellen Ripley, Alien)

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SudhaTheHill@reddit

It’s literally that easy anon

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LordAlfrey@reddit

You actually have to make a good game, making another hero shooter in a world where there's already several of them, without really doing anything different, was just never going to happen. If you showed me concord gameplay and told me it was just overwatch with some skins, I'd believe you. Show me valorant or tf2 gameplay and say the same, I'd tell you to fuck off.

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