Why does every Alternative suck so much?
Posted by NuminousDaimon@reddit | RedditAlternatives | View on Reddit | 114 comments
It's so funny too, because every alternative that's listed or posted about has one super glaring and obvious issue that can be fixed but for some (likely ego) reason it wont and never will be, by the owners of that site. Also those sites look like absolute shit too. Don't even work properly on mobile too. (Mobile only makes up 80% of internet traffic, so no need to optimise for phones or release an actual app /s) And then they wonder why they never go anywhere and have to shut down lmao. Needless to mention how shortsighted the owners are everytime.
Is it really that hard to make an decent alternative or are the people that do it just so incompetent? Genuinely wondering. I think it's the latter in 99%. If I had money I would commission my own alternative and it wouldn't suck.
None of this "federated" or whatever this means nerd bullshit. A clearweb URL that is memorable, a corresponding app that isn't a chrome shortcut, an user profile you can make with your google account or mail, UI and UX similar to reddit or Insta (since this is what works apparently, no need to reinvent the wheel like they all try to)
But ego free admins/ mods in charge of channels or communities with strong moderation to protect from scammers, spam and so on. Free of the Kulturkampf, the americanised english web suffers so much from.
Is that so hard? Oh yeah also, a coder shouldn't be in charge of a website. But someone with actual social skills and experience in PR and Marketing. Otherwise you get an Ruqqus 2.0 or Saidit 2.0 So many websites where the coder is the "main guy" and he obviously lacks social skills and takes every suggestion as an attack. Bah. And they never have any vision whatsoever and the site consists of shitting on reddit, normies and everyone else instead of having worthwhile original content. Like how Rumble is really just the socially awkward discount version of YouTube, not an actual alternative.
MiniDickDude@reddit
You're sounding privileged as fuck. As long as people refuse to appreciate the work that goes into community driven projects like the Fediverse, there will never be "better" alternatives to enshittified, profit-driven social media. We've been spoiled by corporations that see us as cattle. If you want that to change then you'll have to accept that it won't be easy, it'll take some effort on your part as well.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
I could appreciate the work if the result is good. You know what I mean? I can work 10.000 hours on something, like building an island out at sea. But when this Island is on the north pole and no one can be arsed to visit it because its cold and no ships or planes reach it, was it really worth it if my goal is to build a tourist destination?
I don't think community driven projects are what people actually want. A lot of cooks, are lot of entitled people. Of course you can create a plattform how YOU like it. But then you must also accept that most other people wont like it. This is what many don't understand. Those federated lemmy sites might appeal to people who are in tech and coders and orientated around privavcy etc. But they can then not complain that no one besides those peoplenis using it because the word "link aggregator" or "federated" alone makes me not want to check it out.
If they want to make a reddit version for tech people than its good, but it should be marketed as such. Not as reddit alt, because reddit is broad and appeals to most (initially)
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
Centralized, corporate-controlled, censored platforms are just better and that's a fact. Either deal with the centralized, corporate-controlled, censorship or deal with the worse platform.
MiniDickDude@reddit
***for now :)
There are many FOSS projects which have only gotten better as more people have contributed to them.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Wonder if that has to be
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
It does with your attitude
Mental_Tea_4084@reddit
Lemmy is better in every way. You don't need to understand federation if you don't care. Just join any lemmy site and they all work fine. Sync for Lemmy is identical to the old reddit version, but connect is pretty good too.
phatBleezy@reddit
My lemmy is literally only politics posts, it is somehow worse than reddit. Am I Lemmying wrong?
BlazeAlt@reddit
Block those communities. Feed gets a lot better afterwards.
phatBleezy@reddit
Didnt consider that! I may just need to cull the herd until my lemmy is heady enough
virtueavatar@reddit
You're meant to subscribe to communities that have topics you enjoy.
There's options up the top for "Subscribed", "Local" and "All", you want to select Subscribed.
If you've selected either of the others and there's a lot of political posts going on, that's what you'll see a lot of, just like you would on reddit if you just go to r/all.
Mental_Tea_4084@reddit
Maybe? Mine is mostly memes. On Sync I have to go out of my way and choose 'Hot' or 'Everything' instead of 'Active'
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Nerd site. Confusing to use, no app. No .com. why is it a .org? Why does it say join in the URL as if its a cult? Is it an organisation? -Immediately lost interest and we aren't even at looking at the content.
99% of people are not interested in this. I open the lemmy homepage and its just a bunch of tech talk. What is a link aggregator? This does not talk to me.
Die4Ever@reddit
there are apps for Lemmy: Sync, Boost, Connect, Voyager... many good ones like the golden days of Reddit
you don't need to look at join-lemmy.org, just go straight to https://lemmy.world/ if you just want to get right to it
a link aggregator is what I think Reddit used to call itself, I guess it's kinda like "kleenex" vs "facial tissue" or "Velcro" vs "hook-and-loop fasteners"
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Looks a bit better but still old. Also ".world" ok this can be cute but still unusual as a website.
Also people search for sites on google, the URL bar acts as a search bar and is now even AI powered. When I type in Lemmy I get that one singer from this band. Then I get join lemmy. Other sites don't have this.
Also third party apps with no affiliation to the site. Also the whole federated thing. So no one takes accountability? And what about all the allegations of abuse I read on that site?
I tell you how Mr. Everyone sees this site.
CharlestonChewbacca@reddit
Okay. I was going to put some effort into a response giving suggestions with how to interact with the lemiverse, but it's clear you're just adamant on remaining ignorant.
BlazeAlt@reddit
Also, 8 days account
Die4Ever@reddit
đŽ Totally not astroturfing
BlazeAlt@reddit
Post got deleted in the meantime
Die4Ever@reddit
Yeah when everyone started correcting him lol, astroturfing backfired
CharlestonChewbacca@reddit
Shocker. /s
MiniDickDude@reddit
And arrogant
mohirl@reddit
Lol cos you speak for everyone? Ha!
Die4Ever@reddit
all of the best Reddit apps were 3rd party
lol that's not always a good thing
and what happens when you type in lemmy.world or lemmy world
each site owner takes accountability, as well as community moderators
lemmy.world is safe
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Yeah I still don't know. Commendable that you vouch for this site and like it despite all of it. It just doesn't click for me. And what does site owner mean? See this is too confusing. Like what if I want my stuff deleted? Or have a GDPR complaint? Or takedown request? Do I issue this to lemmy or an "site owner". Customer support is also important for such sites.
phatBleezy@reddit
Who's the site owner for reddit you can address your complaints to?
Die4Ever@reddit
site owner means the owners of lemmy.world, same as the owners of reddit.com being responsible for reddit
there's a delete account option in the settings
Mental_Tea_4084@reddit
[ Removed by Reddit ]
BlazeAlt@reddit
This got removed by Reddit, do you remember which link it was by any chance?
Mental_Tea_4084@reddit
I listed about 6 of the top instances from join-lemmy.org, sorting by most active. I don't know which one flagged the post for removal.
BlazeAlt@reddit
Thanks. Probably one of them is still on the Reddit blacklist
Ultimarr@reddit
join-lemmy.org
Mental_Tea_4084@reddit
There is no Lemmy homepage. I tried to link you several Lemmy options, but Reddit blocks me from doing so and removed the post. That is enough reason alone to get the hell off this trash site.
wantondavis@reddit
Honestly I disagree with pretty much everything the person you are responding to said, but j think your point here is an actual turn off from Lemmy, simply because most people do not understand what that means. You say there is no homepage, that is not something intuitive to most people, and if you are using the email example...most people are gonna think for instance, Gmail is their email homepage and they just log into it, like any site with user accounts
Mental_Tea_4084@reddit
Which is perfectly fine for the analogy, I'm just not allowed to say Gmail here on Reddit.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Yeah. But not on lemmy. I have Telegram for fringe and or nerd stuff. I dont need a bigger variant of it.
If it's not easy to use most will not use it. It's ok if that is the intent. But than it can not be promoted as alternative. Also there is discord for making servers which seems similar to lemmy
Mental_Tea_4084@reddit
Lemmy is easier to use than telegram or even discord in my experience. You can go to any one of the sites and you're instantly doomscrolling just like on Reddit, with a familiar UI.
We just happen to be talking about it on a website that intentionally makes it impossible for me to link to it's competitors. I'll let you think about why that might be.
BlazeAlt@reddit
Indeed.
https://www.lemmyapps.com/
OP, hope this is enough apps for you.
balderdash9@reddit
Worst part of Lemmy is the Lemmings. Group think is strong and they have zero chill
Mental_Tea_4084@reddit
Sounds familiar
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
But don't join a lemmy server with admins you disagree with because they can ban you.
Mental_Tea_4084@reddit
You mean just like reddit? That's the beauty of lemmy, if you get banned you can go to an instance that aligns with you. Can't do that here.
CurrentRisk@reddit
Congratulations on deleting your post and comments!
tunachilimac@reddit
Like you said mostly ego. They usually fall in 3 categories:
Devs are too invested in the underlying tech of the site to the point they neglect the user experience. Most people donât give a shit if itâs federated or on a blockchain or whatever they just want an easy to use site.
Devs are into âfree speechâ to the extreme that they all bigots/racists/nazis types to take over the site. Most people donât want to see that shit nonstop all over a website.
Iâve seen a few here where the dev had a site with good potential but it had no content. Most people wonât join an empty site. The big ones today like Reddit started out with mostly fake accounts to look busy so people would stay. You have to seed content until you get a big enough userbase to sustain itself if they arenât there purely for ideological reasons like the previous 2 types.
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
This is how they end up on corporate censored sites. Nerds want to know how they should trust this new site won't just become the same as reddit.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Exactly. Free speech just means american politics are the main topic on that site. Immediately loses 90% of world traffic. Just like rumble. No one cares whats going on there besides americans. As if MrBeast made videos only americans can understand.
mohirl@reddit
If it's so easy why don't you just do it yourself?Â
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Oh I will, don't worry
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
What's your site called?
KingKontinuum@reddit
I was spoiled so much by Apollo. It was very easily one of the greatest iOS apps ever made.
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
And Apple doesn't allow an iOS app without strict content moderation. It's one of the reasons Reddit went to shit.
CurrentRisk@reddit
Lemmy platform with Voyager app (IOS) is basically Apollo 2.0. Very identical on looks and how it works.
SexPartyStewie@reddit
I think OP has learned why old ppl don't like to learn new shit...
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Lol. But a lot of boomers use Facebook, YouTube and X too. Those platforms changed a lot over the years
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
They're the same platforms the boomers were already on
MyKoalas@reddit
Network effects
ZalmoxisRemembers@reddit
If reddit banned porn and put a disclaimer at the top of the site saying âeverything you read here is fiction and artistic expressionâ they wouldnât need so many shit mods to keep themselves safe from litigation. But alas, they grew too big for their own good and their greed makes them want to promote as many communities as possible for that sweet ad money.
I can feel the winds of change in the air. Only a matter of time till a replacement pops up. The change from digg to reddit basically happened overnight back in 2010. It can happen again.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Reddit is like 40% bots too. But in order for a shift there needs to be an actual viable site. There is none.
MaleficentFig7578@reddit
95% bots but mostly in subreddits you don't visit
Pamasich@reddit
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So you've got email but you're anti federation? Email works the same as the fediverse though. It's the same type of approach.
I feel like you've got preconceptions about federated platforms because of how technical explanations always get. It really just means that, if Reddit and Twitter both were federated, people would be able to see your Reddit posts directly from Twitter and vice versa. Federation doesn't mean you can't have a clearweb URL that is memorable and a corresponding app that isn't a chrome shortcut.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
This is why you need a non coder being the CEO or a PR guy. Because no one calls emails federated. They called it electronic mail. People relate to this. It's basic Marketing. Reminds me of the time as I tried out Ubuntu as OS, had an issue, headed to related Forums and was immediately hit with nerds being condescending and "If you aren't smart enough to fix this then don't use it" well yes so I reverted back to windows. Can't be arsed with this. Again, it is ok for them to say this. And for lemmy people too. But then do not complain why most people don't use your shit or gossip about you on other places. This is the trade off. How you can say that Lemmy is the best and all that because its federated and what not, I can say it is cringe because it's nerdy.
Pamasich@reddit
I absolutely agree with this. The fediverse has an advertisement problem, with fans throwing around complex explanations at laypeople or using words that only make sense to people already familiar with the topic.
People need to match their words to their target audience, which is seldom done when it comes to the fediverse in my experience, and that's just hurting its image.
In reality, from the user's perspective, the fediverse is not any more complicated than email. You've got your Gmail and your Microsoft email and both can send each other messages despite being from two different providers. Lemmy is literally just that, as a Reddit clone instead. Users are even identified using the email address format.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Yeah! Either you make a niche site or a broad site. Reddit is super broad and simple. Windows is super broad and simple and you have all those built in support features too. Lemmy is niche right now.
xkingxkaosx@reddit
Alternative, although sometimes crappy, is a blessing. It shows the world there is options, and each option has preferences. Now when it comes down to it, mainstream is embedded with millions of dollars towards advertising, employing mods and top notch coders. Alternatives are usually smaller with the only advertisement there is, is word of mouth. Many people will keep a good thing a secret.
A group of people can create a clone of reddit from scratch but there will be alot of work to maintain, regulate, promote and grow.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Facebook spend 0 on advertising. As well as youtube. As well as Insta. As well as TikTok. All these sites spread because they were great, easy to use and refreshing. Reddit also did not spend a lot. Reddit only became so big because you search for an issue and you get an reddit thread in the results. Facebook only spread because people asked "Do you have Facebook?" It wasn't cringe to ask this. It became standard.
If something is really good, people will come naturally to it. No advertising needed.
CurrentRisk@reddit
Just highlighting this nonsense because it shows and proves you have zero knowledge on what you are writing about and it is actually hilarious to read.
A quick search:
Annual advertising expense of Meta Platforms from 2014 to 2023
Marketing budget of Instagram from 2018 to 2021
How much does TikTok spend on advertising? (From the article; For example, in 2021, the social media giant spent $19.2 billion on advertising, marketing, and promotions.)
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Such a redditor reply.
Never saw an ad for any of these sites yet I came and used them. Facebook popped up and people talked about it. They didn't spend on advertising.
They shared tiktok content which made people want to check it out etc.
Marketing expenses are often written of or ways to ship money around, also often Marketing expenses are also brand deals or things like free premium, PR work, customer support, sponsoring etc.
Yes Reddit "lost" so much money with marketing how terrible, the site is closing down soon. I read this 10 years ago already. They went on the stock market recently too.
All those sites have billions of users. And if they would cost 100 Billion to operate annually they will never be shut down or taken off online. The data, reach and all that is worth infinitely more.
CurrentRisk@reddit
One simple sentence; People lie, numbers don't.
These sites are trustable sources, their numbers are facts. Facts can't be changed (unless you like to do creative acocunting ;).
You are 100% a troll and/ or uneducated.
When did I write about Reddit closing? Point that out for me. Quote me if you can.
Unless you have at least basic knowledge about the stock market, I won't even argue with you about this. Lol.
You are seriously uneducated in basic financial work, entrepreneursship, and such.
We are on Reddit, of course, you get a Reddit reply! But what do you expect? You are writing utterly nonsense and think you can get away with it on the internet where people, include myself, like to point out you are wrong and give you sources to prove it?
This sentence is proven a lie because of the trustable sources that I have given. Like I said previously, people lie and numbers don't.
I notice, you only speak with emotions and zero backed up evidence. If you are so certain about your case and ''supposedly true'', give us evidence. Prove it.
xkingxkaosx@reddit
According to stats, Meta/Facebook spent $12 billion last year on advertisements, marketing and everything in between - https://www.statista.com/statistics/506867/facebook-marketing-spending/#:\~:text=In%20the%20last%20reported%20year,dollars%20in%20the%20previous%20year.&text=Meta%3A%20annual%20marketing%20expenditure%20worldwide%202010%2D2023&In%20the%20last%20reported%20year,the%20company's%20revenue%20in%202023.
Google, has not disclosed how much they spent which is very concerning - https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/042415/story-behind-googles-success.asp
TikTok, $19 billion in advertisements and marketing - https://www.zippia.com/answers/how-much-does-tiktok-spend-on-advertising/
Reddit is the same. All mainstream is the same. The marketing scheme brings people in and then hooks them emotionally. Especially, if there was a major incident and the social outlet made the news in a big way, like Reddit did ( a few times actually ). https://www.creatopy.com/blog/emotional-advertising-examples/
I try to stay away from social networking as much as possible. If I have a question that multiple AI cant help with, I will browse the internet searching for things, some online shopping and If I still cant get an answer, I ask on a subreddit ( which is why I am on today ).
ProbablyMHA@reddit
Alternative social media sucks right now, but it's a mistake to think that handwaving will produce a better result. Yes, it really is that hard, especially if you don't have the money.
Most alternatives are open source and federated because there's no money to hire developers and there sure as fuck isn't anyone who can singlehandedly afford whatever Reddit pays Fastly just to load the frontpage. The reason why you have a shortcut instead of a first-party native app is because there's no money to hire someone to make one.
So how do you get money? Well, you can open your anus for billionaires, politicians, and billionaire politicians. Unfortunately, if you do that, you'll be beholden to their interests. If you think the ideological blockages in federated social media are bad, how do you think the platforms that took this path turned out?
Hate American politics? How about a site owned by American politicians? I'm sure that'll be attractive to content creators.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Yeah. The only alternatives are from disgruntled american politicians and voters. Rumble, Gab, many .win communities etc. Theres 350 Million americans that could be interested in that. But global Internet users make up 4 Billion people. 1 Billion Indian people are not interested in whatever drama US politicians have. You shy away those people. Same as with europeans or south americans. Or south east asians etc. The internet is global yet many treat it super locally. This is the issue the alternatives fail.
I open rumble and it's just conservative media. I don't relate to any of it. This is nerd content. Are you a politician? No? Then why do you consume so much political content. Reddit is the same. Full of leftie content that is annoying. No one outside the US cares or wants to know what a Trans is. Or how homosexuals feel about the latest election. Those are US problems. Many languages don't even have those terms. Even VK (Vkontakte) as a Russian language only facebook clone has more diverse content than all those reddit alts. I see more posts about putin on reddit than there.
FlyMyPretty@reddit
Reddit lost money (millions of dollars) for years. So did Youtube and Facebook and Netflix most other sites. You either need to throw money at it in the hope of a profit one day. So it's hard to make something for profit.
So you run it with volunteers. But you're gonna need coders. You don't want a coder to be in charge? Why would they do it then? You don't give them power and you don't give them money?
You know how difficult it is to set up networks of servers that are reliable? Once you get to a couple of million users, that's a pretty hard challenge, you're going to need servers and disks and networking. According to this site: https://www.cloudzero.com/blog/netflix-aws/ Netflix pays Amazon almost $30 million per month for server costs.
So you're going to need money. You can ask users for money, but very few will give it to you. So you need ads. And then the kind of user that goes to your new site is the kind of user that uses an ad blocker.
The advertisers don't want their ads associated with objectionable content, so you need to pay moderators - Google, Facebook etc have thousands of people whose job is removing stuff - Reddit's stroke of genius was getting people to do it for free.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Yes I see the issue. But there has to be a way. How can a massive game like Fortnite stay completely free to play and other games that cost money to buy and a monthly fee still die after a few months like Overwatch?
Because Fortnite is good. 1 Billion players. It is an actual metaverse. It somehow got a Lego license and a Lego survival game and is till free. It is possible.
Kindred87@reddit
I'm developing something that hits most of what you're looking for except for the concept of cloning Reddit. You need a more marketable mission than "It's Reddit but slightly different" , and that puts you in a position where you need to innovate to do something that everyone else isn't already doing.
The problem is that innovation is extremely hard from both an engineering and business perspective. Which is why you're going to see endless Reddit and Twitter copycats with weird-ass names for some time.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
So I make youtube videos. I could go ahead and do my own thing and make videos for 5 years that get 100 views until I slowly get an audience or throw in the towel because I dont have any success like 99% do. Or I copy what already works gain a lot of views at the start, add my spin to it and then innovate and branch out.
Things that work are universal. Threads is so similar to Twitter because Twitter works. The whole concept.
Reddit works. The format of it. What sucks is the whole Kulturkampf, Cancel culture, Politics shoved down your throat constantly (why is r/pics full of posts making fun of politicians or their voters? I don't relate to that. I'm not even american so I couldn't care less that Trump looks like an Orange or that he wears a wig that looks like a stuffed animal. I get it, reddit hates him. Its super disgusting and annoying that they need to make fun of him everyday. Like is every sub just meant to shit on him?) Also it's full of bots. At least 40%. That try to sway opinion constantly. Also mods are power tripping. Admins are biased. The whole Idea of having self moderating communities is very concerning too. You can not have something generic as r/pics allowing almost exclusively political posts to be on the top. There are other subs for this.
Also reddit strong hands a lot. Certain words get you instantly banned. They do nothing in regards to spam or scams too.
The mentality of reddit is the laughing stock of the internet. The dredges of society come here. The most socially awkward people possibly are here. And the culture reflects that.
The average redditor gets btfo'd constantly on YouTube, Insta or X comments. They can only strive on mods protecting them or whatever when they start to annoy people and eventually get fired back on. This is where your site can innovate.
Reddit is like the weird people club that occasionally produces good things but most don't want to be associated with it on the cool people platforms like Insta, YouTube and so on. Change that. Make a "cool people" reddit. Many people watch comment exchanges and reddit threads as youtube or tiktok vids. But will never come here.
Training-Ruin-5287@reddit
The main problem I see with the other sites is that there isn't enough creators going to them. A site doesnt need all the fancy bells and whistles if the content is shit or regurgitated.
But I say that. Reddit did get it's start with over half of the front page posts shitting on digg daily for a solid year or 2 till it became it's down thing
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Main driver that made normie people (the ones that make your site big and popular) go to reddit was that it spread on campuses, (read it on reddit) with those stickers and the SEO. When you type in any problem or question several reddit pages are the first results. Nowadays google automatically presents reddit results together in a card that I can expand. The :reddit appendix in the google search bar is the most used one.
esean_keni@reddit
We've built spyke.social a long while ago can you tell me if it lives up to your expectations as a mobile friendly platform? Kinda the biggest issue so far imo is the lack of users and network effect.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Hey the design looks good and modern. The issue is the URL. It sounds to me as if its a brand or clothing line tbh. The name could use changing. Spyke is to vague for the english word. If I would pronounce it in a germanic language it would sound like "speake" or "spreche" similar to how reddit sounds like "reddit". So the name would rather make sense for an northern european language platform actually.
The .social would make sense in theory but its one of those TLD that are super rare. People are used to enter .com at the end. Theres even a button on the phone keyboard to enter .com you need to change that. It may seem weird for you that I point this out but this is what most people say first when reading it. I would assume its related to the GTA social club.
Also dead space. You either need to change pictures to a set aspect ratio like insta or do it like facebook and crop them until you click on them. Right now depending on the image or embedd theres a lot of dead space. On any other page pics and embedds make up the entire horizontal screen. But its already better looking than lemmy and the others.
When I click on the share button it forces me to create an account, makes me wonder if this is a share button or reply button. Posts need to be able to be shared by anyone without an account just look at youtube. Thats how youtube spread.
More original content and naming. Right now it has reddit subs. "Todayilearned" "Tree enthusiasts" etc. No one outside of reddit thinks like this. This is reddit lingo (bad)
rambutanjuice@reddit
So let me get this straight, are you looking for a reddit alternative with a well developed UI, a huge userbase, tons of quality content, but none of the rough edges that "free speech" oriented sites have?
Why exactly are you looking for a reddit alternative at all?
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
Actually I want Reddit without redditors and the mods and admins. Also reddit has so many technical issues too. But basically yeah. The mentality of the people here is ridiculous and for a reason everyone outside of it makes fun of them lol
rambutanjuice@reddit
I suggest 4chan. It's like reddit, but the mods are more hetero and the userbase is way more friendly and less racist
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
I think 4chan has even more gay mods than reddit has (sounds impossible I know). And yeah 4chan is less racist to white people
CurrentRisk@reddit
Pretty subjective. I love Lemmy's design, reminds me of the time when I was a teenager.
What are you using? 'Cause Lemmy has many apps that works.
Name a a few that shutdown? Many alternatives are still alive, include Lemmy and Mbin.
Even if you had the money, you don't probably don't have the knowledge. You sound like a teenager ranting about things that, you don't understand. And yes, building a working site with the entire infrastructure is hard and maintining it without breaking even harder.
Your first sentence does not make sense and the ''nerd bullshit'' makes your argument even much more invalid. Just proves you have no idea what you are writing about.
So you demand something that corporate companies have built where thousands of employees work for and get salary from volunteers. People that do not get money and spent their free time on it. You sure are... Something to say nicely.
This is a random sentence. What do you even mean here? Admins and mods will always have a certain ego. That's how life is.
Here you just sound like a mere troll. Can't take you seriously from this point on.
Yes, yes. It is. For someone ranting so much, you sure are uneducated. I won't even go into your paragraph here. You generalize coders. I know coders who are even much more social than me and I study and work in the financial industry lol.
Thank you for your entertainment though!
keepthepace@reddit
Lemmy is superior in every aspect in my opinion.
Son_of_Macha@reddit
Lemmy with a good app is virtually identical to Reddit, just not a huge volume of posts in comparison.
CWSmith1701@reddit
Reddit catering to this mindset is why we need alternatives in the first place.
dirtycimments@reddit
Cause Reddit already, actually, sucks as well.
No_Industry9653@reddit
I feel like mobile users are more likely to contribute low quality content anyway so I'm happy with sites discouraging them from using it
LibertyLizard@reddit
I mean youâre asking small groups of volunteers to do for free what dozens of employees with millions of dollars are doing. So yeah, it is difficult.
Personally I think federation is great but it could use some additional infrastructure to make it easier to use and understand. I think that will happen eventuallyâitâs already improved moderately since I started over a year ago now.
OhMyForm@reddit
Sounds like op is asking for an education the hard way
sprucenoose@reddit
It's frustrating and fair to ask these questions.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
They certainly make it way harder for themselves by trying to reinvent the wheel. Copy what works and then build on it. Others can do it too on YouTube or with Blog sites or shop sites.
Majority of users won't try to understand or learn anything in order to use a site. It is hard enough to get people to enter their card details at the checkout on a website that is optimised as a webshop for items they want to buy. What makes anyone think they would even download or read instructions to use a site? It's not the 80s anymore. If it doesn't have an app or fast webpage it can not be good in this day and age. Simple as.
Emergency_Plankton46@reddit
The problem with this is that sites like reddit are never replaced by direct copies. What happens is something different comes along that is better in some major way but still serves that same general purpose e.g. people going from digg to reddit.
understanding_pear@reddit
âCopy what worksâ also takes real engineering dollars and hours. Do you want people to recreate a billion dollar platform for free?
djfrodo@reddit
It's the network effect. No one is on the alternatives so no one joins, so no one are on the alternatives.
I made an alternative that has an app an looks decent
Play Store
No ones on it, so no one joins, so...etc.
ShadowG0D@reddit
Installing now to try
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
I clicked on that link and it says forbidden in the top left corner. Name and picture are weird, it does not seem like an reddit alt but a meditation app like headspace. App store page does not look inviting.
djfrodo@reddit
So you're either in Russia or China. They were DDOSing the site, so, sorry.
You'll be blocked from the app as well.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
I'm from europe actually. European Union. So only about 300 Million prevented from using the site. By blocking Russia and China thats an additional 1.4 Billion people. Don't forget that many neighbouring countries use Russian or chinese internet infrastructure.
So you are not allowed to complain why no one is using your site. You don't want them to use it.
djfrodo@reddit
Responded too the wrong comment.
O.k. killer, go for it. Forbidden removed just for you : )
Headcycle.com
Playstore
djfrodo@reddit
O.k. killer, go for it.
Headcycle.com
Playstore
Trick_Algae5810@reddit
I'm building an alternative. What are you looking for? Is a site with an already-built community a requirement? Or is pure functionality what you're looking for?
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
What I said in the post. A nice website, an app. 99% of people are used to YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, X.
Content wise its tricky. You need an algorithm like google brain.
Otherwise you end up with politics and similar being shown to people and shoved into everyons throat. No one needs that. I have telegram for fringe politics. Reddit and Pinterest require you to select a few interests first to get the algo started on you.
Encourage original content. Get an CEO or PR guy if you are the coder. You are a coder, you code the site but don't represent it. Even Mark Zuckerberg has people tell him how to do PR stuff.
Prevent "other site bad" posts. Prevent /b/. Make it so that I can share the site with my family, date or friends without having to explain anything or needing to say "Yeah this or that is weird but don't worry". Profiles with customisation. But make it so that you dont need a profile. And the algo still works without a profile like youtube, insta and so on.
Trick_Algae5810@reddit
Thank you. And I figured the platform should be organic and have no ai recommendation engine whatsoever. Easier to build, and doesn't reward specific posts.
virtueavatar@reddit
Pretty sure he's actually looking for an option that is the worst of both worlds, just so long as he can use www.something.com to get to it.
Wyrd_ofgod@reddit
A short and long term mission and vision.
NotTheOnlyGamer@reddit
For the people who are developing these alternatives, most of them want to have a smaller community. The easiest way to do that is to make mobile access a chore.
VicarBook@reddit
This is basically how I feel. Use the features that we like about reddit. I mean, a true app what's the problem? Good ui and a clear website will take you a long way.
FlimsyEmu9@reddit
Because there aren't any real alternatives lol. This is our internet hellscape. Accept it or go off the grid.
Economy_Blueberry_25@reddit
There you go, this is the crux of the matter. Every Wozniak needs a Jobs by his side, otherwise the project never leaves the garage.
It is indeed a tall step to take for a coder, who usually are low on social skills, might also be on spectrum for autism, etc. Here's where some kind of outreach, or an incubator-type business, could work wonders and bring to fruition many unsung geniuses.
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
100%
Mother-Wasabi-3088@reddit
If I was Reddit right now I would be hiring people to make more Reddit clones
NuminousDaimon@reddit (OP)
That's genius though. Making people aware how much others suck so they are forced to stay