During his upcoming visit to Kyiv, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken will announce that Washington no longer prohibits Ukraine from using ATACMS missiles to attack Russian territory, Axios reported on Sept. 10.

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Coolenough-to@reddit

Could Russia win the war in Ukraine with one Nuclear strike to a major city, and not suffer much retaliation?

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WittyDefense41@reddit

No. They will have to hit NATO control centers in Brussels, Geneva, Berlin, and a handful of other locations throughout Western Europe and the Balkans, which is probably how this all ends.

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mclumber1@reddit

Russia launching nuclear attacks against NATO in Europe will not end well for Russia.

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WittyDefense41@reddit

They have a much larger arsenal with superior technology. Maybe research the topic.

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mclumber1@reddit

What technology does Russia possess that could prevent a nuclear counter-attack if Russia struck targets in Europe?

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WittyDefense41@reddit

Striking the correct targets in the first place
The best air defense systems in existence

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Patient_Trash4964@reddit

Best air defense? Is that why Moscow keeps getting hit with drones. Fuck outta here you stooge.

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They’ve gotten hit only a few times over the entire 2.5 years of the war. They’ve probably struck Ukraine 100 times for every 1 time they got hit back. If you think those little drones have accomplished anything you’re delusional.

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Tramagust@reddit

Russia doesn't have the capability to carry out such a strike.

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WittyDefense41@reddit

Kinzahl

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Tramagust@reddit

LOL

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ErwinSmithHater@reddit

No, but it will lose them the war.

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LatzeH@reddit

is ATACMS missiles the last thing they're not allowed to use, or is there more?

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

There is always more. That's war. Another big step would be directly targeting Putin to kill him.

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Powerful-Wolf6331@reddit

lol, good way to get nuked.

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LatzeH@reddit

I mean in terms of specific weapons that NATO provides

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mclumber1@reddit

Ukraine hasn't been given tomahawk cruise missiles...yet.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

There are longer range missiles that are currently not being provided.

Stealthy JASSM weapons have range to hit targets inside Russia
Decision expected in autumn, U.S. officials say
Pentagon trying to integrate JASSMs on Soviet-era Ukrainian jets

WASHINGTON, Sept 3 (Reuters) - The U.S. is close to an agreement to give Ukraine long-range cruise missiles that could reach deep into Russia, but Kyiv would need to wait several months as the U.S. works through technical issues ahead of any shipment, U.S. officials said. The inclusion of Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM) in a weapons package is expected to be announced this autumn, three sources said, though a final decision has not been made. The sources declined to be named because they are not authorized to discuss the topic.

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DolanDukIsMe@reddit

Idk id killing Putin would fix anything tbh it’s a whole mess over there

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SadCowboy-_-@reddit

The benefit there would be the ensuing power vacuum that would leave the leadership structure stepping on each others necks trying to get to his seat first.

Putin is very much involved with tactics and “encouragement” of his soldiers in the war. Killing Putin would leave many generals in a position where they are waiting on orders.

An interesting difference in US vs RU military doctrine is that the US encourages squad level decision making in battle from experienced NCOs. Think LTs plan will get you killed? Fuck that. Let’s try this way where we know we’ll have better cover to advance.

Russia has a hardline from officers where whatever they say goes. NCOs are tasked with making sure the fodder follows the playbook, no delineation from said plan.

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Gryphin@reddit

Exactly. Remember when the average western news was like "hey,there's people in Russian leadership that want Putin out, because of his war on Ukraine!" The rest of the informed people were going "no, bad thing. Those guys only want Putin out because they don't think he's bombing and destroying enough of Ukraine."

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MarkRclim@reddit

Rumours are that Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG also stopped. And there's potential supply of JASSMs too.

A few thousand JASSMs could be a real bargain.

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alternative5@reddit

Based and fucking finally. "MUH Red Line" Putin is gonna do fuck all but watch.

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Neat_Concert_4138@reddit

Feels weird visiting a "prepperintel" subreddit to see the top comment calling war escalation with a nuclear power "based" and "fucking finally".

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Exit727@reddit

Assuming said nuclear power knows what mutually assured destruction is.

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Neat_Concert_4138@reddit

It can be argued that nuclear war is winnable, especially if you don't care about a mass loss of life.

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Exit727@reddit

Between US and Russia, it isn't. Thsy have enough warheads to flatten every slightly significant settlement, military and economic point of interest. Even if the highest ranking business and political figures survive in bunkers, where will be no country left for them to govern.

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Ecstatic_Bee6067@reddit

Do they, though?

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Neat_Concert_4138@reddit

If it isn't then why is NATO constantly testing how much Russia will take? We are a few steps away from a tactical nuke being used somewhere. It's not just between US and Russia, it's between Russia, Ukraine, Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Montenegro, Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland. Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, and United States.

This list doesn't include other military allies like Australia, Israel, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and others.. A nuke could trigger other wars with Iran, North Korea, China, India, Pakistan, and others. Does Russia have enough nuclear weapons to blow up all those countries? What if they all launch a first strike against Russia?

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Exit727@reddit

Japan taking part in launching first strike against Russia? You mean the country who's constitution forbids itself from waging offensive wars?

Also what's with the "NATO testing Russia"? They aren't the victim, mate. Russia is the only one threatening the use of nukes, as well as the ones attacking civilian targets. They are currently invading a sovereign country that they promised not to use military force or economic coercion against, in exchange for not keeping nuclear weapons.

It's called the Budapest Memorandum. It's something the russians signed in 1994, then violated in 2014. Maybe look it up before you start spreading soft russian propaganda.

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AlmondCigar@reddit

I wonder how many of these pro Russia comments are bots

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AlmondCigar@reddit

The us isn’t invading Russia. We aren’t testing them. They are testing the world

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WittyDefense41@reddit

This level of arrogance is shocking, to say the least.

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alternative5@reddit

Seethe Ivan

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mountaindewisamazing@reddit

Oh he'll do something, it'll just be something dumb and inhuman. I'm sure he's already got a few children's hospitals or maternity wards in his sights.

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Mean_Wishbone_6822@reddit

I’m sorry what!? Inhuman? All he needs to do is say Hamas is in there then everyone will send him billions of dollars. Yeah Putin is the inhuman one lmao

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mountaindewisamazing@reddit

You realize it's possible for more than one person to be the bad guy, right?

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Mean_Wishbone_6822@reddit

You’re right and I’m realizing more everyday that us Americans are really the inhuman ones.

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mountaindewisamazing@reddit

It's possible for more than one country to be inhuman too, Ivan.

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ZenythhtyneZ@reddit

“Throw more meat shields in the trash and bomb that hospital”

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emseefely@reddit

I’m thinking he’s waiting until after the elections to do anything significant. If Harris wins, Ukraine will likely get more aid.

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alternative5@reddit

Yeah I feel that, but I think more than anything else they are facing a man power shortage. So unless that "flying tigers" initiative comes into fruition and we give another 200 stored Bradleys I think they are gonna lose the momentum to make any significant advances. What do I know though, Im just an armchair American rofl.

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Defiant_Trainer504@reddit

The slow drift to World War 3.

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ostensiblyzero@reddit

I don’t understand these comments. Everyone seems convinced this is the US letting Ukraine get a knockout punch in on Russia, when its actually that the US is watching Ukraine lines getting pushed back in Ukraine and especially Donetsk and is willing to risk escalation to prevent that.

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adfddadl1@reddit

It's cos people who don't follow it closely know sweet fa about what is happening on the ground.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

Agree.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

I know a lot of supposedly red lines have been crossed. A lot of empty threats made.

Anybody feel like at some point we actually do end up sleep walking into nuclear war?

What's the next step after this doesn't turn the war in Ukrainian favor?

The last two years have been a steady series of escalating steps. I doubt it ends here.

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit

There will be a breaking point for Russia to go into crisis mode, its just that this conflict is so unpredictable we cant say what as Russia tends to make its red lines after they have happened.

I will stand from a speculation point that there is three options for Russian crisis mode:

Seizure of a nuclear power plant or some nuclear storage installation.

An incursion into Crimea or within close distance to Moscow or St. Petersburg

Extremely low chance of this but, someone manages to get an active and open resistance movement in the style of Wagner.

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pryoslice@reddit

Why would seizure of a nuclear plant be crisis mode? They were fighting over Chernobyl and the biggest active nuclear plant in Europe, and nothing happened. I don't think Putin thinks Ukraine will blow a nuclear plant for fun.

Incursion into Crimea wouldn't be crisis mode either. Ukraine has struck a lot of vital targets there. With the Black Sea Fleet gone from there and mostly useless, it's not critical to Russia security anymore.

Incursion close to Moscow, sure. But that seems unlikely under the current conflict paradigm.

The real crisis mode would be Putin risking a loss of a grip on power. The most likely thing that would lead up to that is a drop in the oil and gas prices that makes it impossible to keep paying everyone off that supports him. But that's also what Ukraine is trying to wait out.

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit

I always assumed that Ukraine taking Kursk would be the pretext for an escalation.

I disagree on Crimea. Russia started this entire thing in 2014 for access to a warm water port. Yes, its not the most useful anymore, but the point remains that access to Crimea is critical for Russia, not just for a military sense but Crimea is considered a core part of Russia, and I see Putin escalating to save face.

Thats a good one around the supporters, I can see a situation where his own inner circle throws him out.

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pryoslice@reddit

That port does jack for them and Putin knows it now. It was thought to be important in the days before long-range weapons.

And Crimea is not considered a core part of Russia. It's a vacation spot, at best. They did fine without it for decades.

There's no advantage for Putin in starting a nuclear exchange over it.

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mclumber1@reddit

Imagine if instead of waging this war for the last 10 years, spending hundreds of billions of dollars in the process, Russia decides to invest in expanding and modernizing one of their other warm water naval ports on the black sea at a fraction of the price, and with no loss of life.

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit

Fair enough, thanks for jumping in and giving me another point of view to look at.

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Enzo-Unversed@reddit

Ukraine isn't anywhere near Kursk city proper. Half of the troops send in are already dead too.

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Exit727@reddit

Not sure about the "blowing up a power plant" part. Modern plants cant pull a chernobyl, even if they are damaged, leaking radioactive material is the most serious outcome. They have safety features that shut down the core when threatened. Chernobyl required an RBMK reactor, being a soviet cheapskate, a special type of stupidity, and the lack of employee training. Zaporizhzhia has none of that, supposedly.

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Mr_E_Monkey@reddit

Why would seizure of a nuclear plant be crisis mode? They were fighting over Chernobyl and the biggest active nuclear plant in Europe, and nothing happened.

Russia would probably not take it lightly if it was one of their nuclear plants being captured. It's different when it's one of Ukraine's power plants.

I don't think Putin thinks Ukraine will blow a nuclear plant for fun.

I think you're probably right, but it would be a convenient excuse to call for more drastic action, potentially. Whether or not Putin would be able to take any more drastic action or not, your guess is as good as mine.

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pryoslice@reddit

The only more drastic actions left are 1) nuclear strike and 2) general draft. The first requires a much higher threshold than any discussion except a march on Moscow. The second, who knows. I would have thought Kursk might have triggered it, but it didn't, and maybe Ukrainian intelligence knows why and that's why they thought this move was OK.

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Mr_E_Monkey@reddit

Yeah, that makes sense to me. And I'm with you, of all the "red lines" we've seen, I would have figured invading actual Russian territory would have been one that might actually have repercussions. Not that I'm disappointed, of course.

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pryoslice@reddit

The interviews the 1420 channel does on YouTube indicate that everyone in Moscow is pretending that it's not happening and no one is talking about it. Seems crazy, but Russians seems to have adopted a head-in-the-sand approach to this war. Maybe Putin doesn't want to knock them out of that with a drastic action, because he knows they might point their guns in the wrong directions, ala WWI.

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Mr_E_Monkey@reddit

That sounds very, very credible. And I suppose, as long as he's pulling troops from rural minorities, and life goes on as normal in Moscow and St. Petersburg, they aren't going to complain much.

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spilat12@reddit

Can you elaborate on the last point please

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit

This is a super out there speculation but there's a lot of underground resistance movements in Russia which are doing minor sabotage such as fires, cutting railway tracks, etc.

If we see this resistance movement somehow grow, whether thats within Russia and an external country aiding them, and we start having groups able to occupy schools/town halls as a form of protest initially, which could then spiral into a resistance movement.

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syynapt1k@reddit

Those resistance/partisan groups will likely grow if these attacks inside Russian territory continue - especially in urban areas like Moscow. There is a potential for civil unrest, which would be the best case scenario for Ukraine as it will divert resources away from the war.

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atreides_hyperion@reddit

Which could ultimately lead to nuclear civil war. Spicy 🌶️

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syynapt1k@reddit

That's a Kremlin talking point but okay.

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Far_City9963@reddit

What about the recent drone strikes in Moscow?

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit

I dont see Russia going full crisis unless its a ground incursion.

Drone strikes are annoying, but there hasn't been one that Russia can use as a justification y

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mbanana@reddit

I'm honestly starting to feel like we're in more actual danger of a new general conflict now than we ever were during most of the cold war. The number of people with power going, "nah, it'll be fine" is too damn high.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

Agree but it's hard to argue with them when nothing seems to have gone wrong yet. I'm surprised Putin ain't snapped yet. Supposedly the dude is terminally ill and mentally insane yet he has the patience of a saint...

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AntiTrollSquad@reddit

What do you mean he hadn't snapped? He invaded and declared war to one of its biggest neighbours, causing hundreds of thousands of casualties, billions in damage, an energy crisis... . I think that most people have lost the sense of proportion, not to talk about critical thinking.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

Meh, few 100k is nothing compared to nukes going off.

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algalkin@reddit

100k of military dead is like dropping a 100-500 tactical nukes on the front lines. Tactical nukes arent that big, they are mostly an intimidation factor on land or meant to destroy an important targets without being too accurate.

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RoyalZeal@reddit

I would definitely take any reports of potential illnesses in Putin with a huge grain of salt. So much misinformation is flying these days.

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Classic-Cup-2792@reddit

russia ukraine is the most important war since peak cold war, israel palestine is giving us alot of issues with iran, the houthis etc. the past year has been horrible geopliticaly and theres still a high chance that china invades taiwan in the next few years too.

this decade will be known as a lost decade in the 2030s, with covid + wars + inflation.

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emseefely@reddit

It’s also been an interesting decade for labor and civil rights movements. It’s always interesting to look back what changes something like the black plague would do and see something like wfh/hybrid work since covid

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emseefely@reddit

I’m listening to Dan Carlins Supernova in the East where he goes over things lead to Japan joining the axis in WW2 and the prior to them joining, they’ve been in a years long war with China. If Putin is smart, he won’t give NATO a reason to join the conflict.

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emseefely@reddit

I think something to watch out for is who wins US elections. We might see some change in gears depending on the results.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

I mean everyone knows Trump wants the war to be over not necessarily for Russia to win but for the war to be over obviously they're going to keep a good chunk of territory.

I see Kamala as the status quo simply continues, there won't be a big step up in support.

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emseefely@reddit

Interesting. To me, I see trump cutting off aid to Ukraine and let the rest of Europe deal with Russia. Harris win might mean continued aid and maybe more allowances for Ukraine to use weapons in Russia.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

Trump would force Ukraine into a deal where Ukraine would lose land but war would be over.

Kamala would do whatever the Biden administration currently would do.

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emseefely@reddit

Did you catch yesterday’s debate? Does it change your perspective on what a Trump win would mean in Ukraine?

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

No, he literally said he wants war over day 1.

That means territory lost but they exist and it's over with some guarantees

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emseefely@reddit

So disregard what the Ukrainian people want but giving Putin exactly what he wants. Got it.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

His logic is WWIII risk is too high and no matter how much aid is sent they won't win the war.

If Kamala wins they will basically continue current support.

Those are the two options to vote for.

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emseefely@reddit

That logic is also conveniently the best case scenario for his friend Putin. How nice for their friendship.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

Putin would have done this during Trump's 4 years if that was the case.

The simple reality is Ukraine cannot win this war without outside troops being sent.

They are slowly losing or stalemate at best currently.

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emseefely@reddit

I don’t think Putin counted on a Ukrainian Revolution and Zelensky being president before that. There was also the scandal of Trump trying to use the already approved aid to Ukraine to try to find dirt on Biden. There’s so much background that people seem to have forgotten.

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Raikkonen716@reddit

Just as today I read about people who don't care about Putin's red lines, I remember that before the conflict I read about many people who thought the war would never break out and it was all a bluff. Ordinary people, like those found here on Reddit and who influence each other in an ecochamber that loses objectivity, always forget that orchestrated confrontations between great powers do not have the same mechanisms as a dispute between neighbors. Things escalate much faster and everyone finds themselves entangled in situations bigger than themselves. History should teach us where these spirals of risk taking lead, but instead it's enought to open Reddit to see bloodlust leaking from a multitude of users who have evidently never experienced what a war is.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

Well said.

The classic reddit clown response would be Russia isn't a great power and the US has secret tech to beat their nukes, if they even work. 😂

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daviddjg0033@reddit

Russia is not a great power anymore. They will become a regional power at best.

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deadblankspacehole@reddit

Spot on

History buff?

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Coolenough-to@reddit

I think a Nuclear missile can be used. I never used to think this, but now I see this situation and I think its possible. Russia could use 1 nuke and it is more than likely that the rest of the world does not send a retaliatory nuke.

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ktmln91@reddit

That’s my concern as well. I might be wrong but I think that a real red line for the russian nation, whether kremlin wants it or not, is attacks on Moscow or St Petersburg. These are two key cities with disproportionally larger population and income and are arguably the only centers where the anger of the residents can pose a real danger to the regime. If Ukrainian attacks on Moscow become more severe, the population will demand government to do something about it, but Putin apparently has no real means to defend his country against these attacks, so essentially it leaves him with three equally bad options, declare mobilization, use nukes or face removal from power. Obviously there is an option of peace talks, but for him it is equivalent to losing power. So he may perceive using the nukes as lesser of the evils since, as russian history has shown, declaring mobilization can lead to the downfall of the regime. Also their nuclear doctrine allows them to use nukes when the existence of the state is threatened, which it kinda is in his perspective.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

They're currently reworking their nuclear doctrine now I believe to make it more lenient for use of nuclear weapons.

This is very public knowledge and is to me just another warning sign.

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lukaskywalker@reddit

These are my thoughts. At some point Putin will be so desperate because either they will be close to losing, or because they’ve reached such a stalemate that he needs the “win”. It’s concerning and I’m surprised no one is more concerned. At least they aren’t showing how concerned they might be.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

The war essentially now is at a stalemate. Which unfortunately favors Russia because they have the deeper pool of mnnpower to keep shifting new troops in and out blah blah blah.

Russia has been making small but steady gains but I think it would take still like 20 years at current pace to win the war.

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drjones013@reddit

It won't be sleepwalking. The US has told Russia, in no uncertain terms, that it will airstrike any Russian military target in Ukraine if a nuke is launched until conventional Russian forces are neutralized. He's allowed to saber rattle as much as he likes so long as his finger doesn't touch the button.

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bertiesghost@reddit

I fully support Ukraine but yes I feel it will lead to a nuclear confrontation along the lines of the Cuban missile crisis. Russia’s economy will likely collapse in the near future and when that happens all bets are off.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

I have similar thoughts.

Once people are in a desperate position they'll do anything just look at the crazy shit that went on in Hitler's bunker.

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Multinightsniper@reddit

I think it’s the opposite. Look at both Russia and Ukraine’s loss ratios compared to combat personnel and other factors from the start of the war to now. It just shows every other small country in the world that with drone technology and well use tactics any country can defend against a bigger enemy. Even despite overwhelming odds like 7 to 1 personnel wise. War is no longer traditionally feasible, China has noticed it too and it’s why they’ve been slow stopped supporting it (Not because of the sanctions.) but because it’s just not worth it. There’s no value in it, aka value with gaining something as a country. There can still be ludicrous amounts of money be made from warfare itself.

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ZenythhtyneZ@reddit

Yes the ability to both defend and attack has had its economic barrier lowered significantly this will lead to all sorts of things including traditional warfare being less and less effective

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AntiTrollSquad@reddit

No, there's no current scenario where Putin goes nuclear. Ukraine will not try to make a run for Moscow or inflict mass civilian casualties. This just causes the war of attrition to punish Russia even more. Putin's redlines are meant for the internal audience, to reinforce the image of strong man.

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DankesObama@reddit

No

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techmaster242@reddit

Aye! Blinken!

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DaRealZezima@reddit

Am I crazy to question wether or not Ukraine is worth getting into a nuclear war with another a super power?

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Prestigious_Split194@reddit

No matter how many downvotes you get, you aren’t. Our government is just as war hungry as Russia is, and we will continue to feed our war machine by demonizing Russia, and they will do the same by demonizing the West. It’s a sad day when everyone is brainwashed into thinking the only way to peace is through war.

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Tramagust@reddit

Russia is the one who invaded. They're the agressor.

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ZenythhtyneZ@reddit

No one need to “demonize Russia” they’ve already done it to themselves

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Well said.

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DaRealZezima@reddit

100 percent agree. It’s scary stuff

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syynapt1k@reddit

I'd like to see the war end too, but that's completely up to the country that is currently waging it.

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JohnConnor7@reddit

What super power you crazy person?

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Rotary-Pilot@reddit

Am I crazy to question whether or not Poland is worth getting into a great war with another super power? - someone in 1939

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Putin doesn't have the proportional capabilities that Hitler did compared to everyone else at the time, and we have the threat of nuclear war now. I'm not saying Ukraine shouldn't be assisted, but the Poland comparison isn't helpful, and we should absolutely consider the possible consequences of anything we do.

I think the chances of Putin glassing London, U.S, Paris etc are extremely low, but slightly higher is the chance of a tactical strike in Ukraine. Actually, I think he'd use a tactical strike within Russia if an unstoppable army was invading. The U.S has said a few times that there would be a massive conventional strike if that happened and I have zero doubt they already know what to pulverise if it happened. But, you'd have to be blind to not see how this is steadily escalating as time moves on. The fact that Ukraine desperately needs legitimate help shouldn't blind us to this.

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davepars77@reddit

No one is blind to it, it's part of the plan. Steady escalation, pushing the red lines further with salami tactics.

If you told me two years ago Ukraine would invade RU and they would just sit and watch it happen, I'd laugh in your face.

Yet here we are.

It's a dangerous game no doubt but the other option is to be cowards and do nothing. What's going to happen if they stomped Ukraine and started building up for a Baltic states or Poland invasion? Fuck that.

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Yes I certainly don't want a passive response, just a careful one. On Poland though, Russia would have its arse handed to it if it touched Poland. Couple of the other smaller ones could be different though.

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Novel_Paramedic_2625@reddit

Seriously, what people dont understand is we could have very well possibly of prevented WW2 if we had intervened during that initial invasion. Yes we would of been at war, but likely a much smaller war than what occurred. Time and time again, people never learn that appeasement doesnt work.

Disclaimer Im an idiot on reddit

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Novel_Paramedic_2625@reddit

Seriously, what people dont understand is we could have very well possibly of prevented WW2 if we had intervened during that initial invasion. Yes we would of been at war, but likely a much smaller war than what occurred. Time and time again, people never learn that appeasement doesnt work.

Disclaimer Im an idiot on reddit

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DaRealZezima@reddit

Yeah but nukes are at play now..

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wyocrz@reddit

And mistakes happen.

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ChodeCookies@reddit

Yes

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DankesObama@reddit

Yes you are

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IJizzOnRedditMods@reddit

I've got friends serving on the front that I've been sending gear and equipment to and I welcome this good news. He was injured in a missile attack when Mike Johnson was pulling his temper tantrum bullshit and holding up aid that could have prevented him from getting injured. I'm about $8k deep in expenses from sending equipment and gear since the start and wish our government would give them the tools to finish the job

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

What "tools" do you mean?

There's no magic tool that's going to give Ukraine the victory when they are 1/5 the population size short of massive nuclear strikes which would only be met in return strikes.

At some point we have to be realistic here.

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IJizzOnRedditMods@reddit

It takes time but russia is damn close to running out of cash reserves and every time something major has happened in Russia its occurred almost overnight. The "tools" I'm talking about are long range weapons and the permission to strike Russia anywhere. We are giving them damn good weapons but tying 1 hand behind their backs

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WittyDefense41@reddit

You’re foolish to think they are running out of cash reserves. We’ve heard that from the start. Their economy is actually stronger now than at the beginning of the SMO.

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IJizzOnRedditMods@reddit

Their economy is stronger because they're burning through what's left of their cash reserves! Literally ALL of their economic growth has been feeding their war machine. Once those reserves are gone(and they're extremely close to it. Putin even admitted this) they can't pay their military and they collapse. Things in Russia happen quickly once the SHTF. Learn some basic economics before you further embarrass yourself

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WittyDefense41@reddit

They have half of the world lining up to join their trade union (BRICS+). You don’t realize that Russia has deep strategic partnerships with China, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and many others. There is an entire alliance of countries that make up about 80% of the world’s GDP that are firmly in Russia’s corner. They all have a vested interest in building/protecting their economic ties with one another and with Russia. There is no possible collapse or economic downturn under these conditions. We are the ones printing ourselves into oblivion. The US, UK, Germany, and much of Western Europe are in dire economic conditions due to excess money printing and isolating ourselves on the international stage.

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IJizzOnRedditMods@reddit

Saudi Arabia is not their ally🤣. China and India are buying oil from them at below market rates and BRICS is no threat to anybody. Their only allies are Iran and North Korea. Everyone else that might consider business with them is terrified of secondary sanctions. Russia is practically doing this alone against the entire western world. Is that you Tim Pool?

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WittyDefense41@reddit

Go look up how many countries have applied to join BRICS. It’s obvious that you don’t know what you’re talking about. The latest is NATO member Turkey, who clearly sees the writing on the wall. Why would they want to join BRICS if Russia is nearing collapse and it’s only allies are Iran and North Korea?

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Wellsy@reddit

Hit ‘em hard boys

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westonriebe@reddit

Wonder why the sudden change of heart, thought they were gonna use it as a bargaining chip for the future… but just odd timing, im sure its about something we arent aware of…

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WittyDefense41@reddit

You must not be aware that they’re losing and running out of options.

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westonriebe@reddit

Nevermind just looked and its because of Iran weapon transfers…

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Nautimonkey@reddit

Let Ukraine do what they need to do

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thehourglasses@reddit

Well, they’ve got the ATTACK-EMs. Let’s hope they’ve got a few DEFEND-EMs too.

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Solo_Camping_Girl@reddit

Let's hope Russia doesn't resort to using their NUKE-EMs if they get pushed too far.

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crazzzone@reddit

Best defense is a good offense. Push them back from launching. Set up more early warning ⚠️ systems in new area.

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DankesObama@reddit

Won't need defendems if Ukraine can finally destroy what's launching their missiles

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SlickRick941@reddit

Won't change the outcome, too little too late. Russia is gonna grind this attrition warfare out for a long time, until the west grows weary of sending trillions to a lost cause

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TotalRecallsABitch@reddit

Hoooollly smokes.

This is it guys. The Russian federation is going to crumble FAST

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ExtraBenefit6842@reddit

Seriously our government just wants to see a mushroom cloud. They are already fighting a proxy war, and bankrupting us. The USA experiment has failed.

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PearlLakes@reddit

Sure, comrade.

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ExtraBenefit6842@reddit

This is what a non-thinking, bootlicking statistics would say. Grow some balls and imagine having some freedom for a few seconds instead of supporting the largest government in history with a surveillance state that would make Stalin jealous, comrade.

Also, take a critical thinking class, if I'm not pro US involvement, I'm not pro Russia. I would just prefer not to have a World War. Study some history since you yearn to experience war.

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chamonixantiques@reddit

Always funny to me that the prepper crowd is filled with people displaying incredible suspicion of their government’s action (or inaction) but totally on board with intelligence apparatus and military action.

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ryan2489@reddit

It’s only the Reddit prepper crowd

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chamonixantiques@reddit

Nah, it’s all of em.

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DankesObama@reddit

Your potato is in the mail

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ExtraBenefit6842@reddit

Low IQ response Dude.

Keep prepping, things are about to get complicated

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DankesObama@reddit

🥱

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ExtraBenefit6842@reddit

How can you be a prepper and think this government isn't insane and incompetent?

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Unusual-Tank-8519@reddit

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

:D

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sliccwilliey@reddit

Too little too late, i hate this fucking clown. Ukraine could have deleted the russian air force months ago

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gepinniw@reddit

The Yanks have shown ample restraint. They are still not doing even a fraction of what they could do to support Ukraine’s fighters. Slava Ukraini

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Enzo-Unversed@reddit

Will this finally drag Putin into doing what's necessary? Should have listened to Prigozhin and Strelkov over a year ago. I'd say put Dugin in charge. After the Bandera goons IRA'd his daughter, he'd do what is needed.

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Leader_2_light@reddit (OP)

Depends how much the new strikes hurt I guess. So far all the new stuff has not actually changed much on the ground.

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