A Delta A350 has clipped a CRJ tail in Atlanta, appearing to total the aircraft.

the CRJ was cleared to hold short of runway 8R and contact tower, Delta 295 (the A350) was taxiing on Echo and was also told to contact the tower. However, before reaching the hold short queue, the Delta 295 pilot reported that they had a problem and they needed to leave the queue to work it out, and the controller cleared them to continue straight on Echo. A couple minutes later Delta 295 reports they hit something on the taxiway and asked what it was. Someone then cuts in and says "the whole tail of that CRJ's off." So it looks like Delta 295 was originally not meant to taxi past Hotel at all, they were going to turn onto it to line up behind the CRJ, and the CRJ crew also was probably not expecting an aicraft to taxi past their tail on Echo, and wouldn't have heard Delta being told to do so because they had already switched to the tower freq

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EconomicsDirect7490@reddit

This is why I pay internet

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SkyMilesEnthusiast@reddit

So in a scenario like this, who gets assigned the blame? Or just a case of bad luck?

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Matthijs2203@reddit

nooone as in aviation there is a just culture and there is just gonna be an investigation looking at the causes and measures that can be taken

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Hdjskdjkd82@reddit

In aviation no one really gets blamed. The blame is shared across with everyone really. NTSB find the probable cause and contributing factors. And all persons involved go to retraining, and policy/procedure changes are made so this hopefully doesn’t happen again.

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WorldlyOriginal@reddit

You’re right from an AVIATION perspective but not from a legal/economic perspective.

It’s wonderful that the aviation community looks for fault rather than blame, but the courts and companies and passengers and lawyers in this mess will definitely be looking for BLAME, and some will definitely be found

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Hdjskdjkd82@reddit

Well the blame here would come down to Delta Air Lines as a company, the FAA, and manufacturers. In the US system individuals are more or less protected unless the individual themselves breaks a federal law. Violation of regulations is not considered breaking federal law.

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SoulOfTheDragon@reddit

There is no "bad luck" when it comes to investigations of this kind of situation. Usually it will be a result of long list of factors that at the end resulted in the accident. Look up swiss cheese model.

Who was the largets contributing factor? Let the investigation to figure it out.

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SharkAttackOmNom@reddit

If it’s anything like the nuclear industry it will boil down to “Human performance” issue. Aka, the guy controlling the 350 effed up.

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Puzzleheaded-Park125@reddit

There is always some fault in an accident like you said. I’ve investigated thousands and every time someone could have done something different unless it was a product malfunction (and even then it was the manufacturer’s fault).

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skapuntz@reddit

it's a sum of many factors, but pilots of the a350 have the responsibility of checking if the path is clear

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Admiral_Cloudberg@reddit

As others have pointed out, in theory the A350 first officer should be checking that the right wing is clear. Evidently that either didn't happen or the clearance was misjudged. If they were working though a problem, it's possible that there were distractions in play, but that's speculation. We don't know whether they checked or not.

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IchBinMalade@reddit

I always wonder why not some proximity sensors or even a shitty camera for taxiing.

I get that it's all about benefits/costs, these things happen so rarely, and these planes are so complex that fitting a new system like that costs a lot more than you'd expect, plus certification and training yadda yadda.

Nevermind, I guess I answered my own question. Also damn, just noticed I'm replying to Admiral Cloudberg, 👋🏻 hello.

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wolfydude12@reddit

I believe some heavy airliners have cameras on their wings/tails. I know when the PMDG 777 came out for Microsoft flight simulator some of the actual pilots mentioned the lack of the cameras, which are used mostly for taxiing.

A quick Google search looks like there are 2 different camera systems are offered for the A350. I'm nearly sure these are optional and not on every plane.

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smcsherry@reddit

Eh not quite. Listening to the audio, DL5526, in the transmission at 04:28 Endeavor 5526 (the CRJ-900) was told to monitor tower after being told to taxi to 8R via Echo.

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Admiral_Cloudberg@reddit

Echo doesn't intersect with 8R you have to turn onto Hotel, that's where the hold short line is.

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smcsherry@reddit

Correct, I’m sure the turn onto hotel was implied by the taxi to 8R via Echo call. I was more referring to that Endeavor 5526 should’ve been on ground still as I didn’t hear a frequency change call by ground, just a monitor tower call.

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MiaStirCrazies@reddit

Listen to Tower (119.1) after that call. They told EDV5526 to hold short of 8R. DL295 remained on 121.9 as they were handling the unrelated situation and being taxied to the end of Echo near Victor.

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wikipedianredditor@reddit

I am not an air crash investigator

Neither am I but clearly this was a ground crash

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the_other_paul@reddit

In case anyone is having trouble visualizing the collision, taxiway Hotel is perpendicular to that runway at the very end of it, while taxiway Echo is parallel to the runway (perpendicular to Hotel)

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osup13@reddit

I think this happened on the ground.

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FOSSnaught@reddit

Any idea who was at fault? It kind of sounds like the plane that got clipped wasn't where it should have been.

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KinksAreForKeds@reddit

It doesn't sound like that at all, to me. The CRJ was told to hold short. I've never captained a taxi at ATL, but it seems to me like they were exactly where they were told to be, on hotel, holding short of 8R, until they received additional instructions from tower.

It was just unfortunate that Delta had to clear the queue. Even if though the CRJ was where it was supposed to be, there just isn't enough clearance off the centerline of echo for a 350's wingspan to clear an aircraft in that position. But ultimately, it's still Delta's First Officer's responsibility to spot that the right side is clear while taxiing, even if other aircraft are out of position.

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quesoandcats@reddit

Yeah if what you said is true and both planes were where they were supposed to be, then this seems like an issue with the design of the taxiway. If the A350 crew was following instructions and can't see the wingtip from the cockpit, then I don't see what they could have reasonably done to avoid the accident.

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abl0ck0fch33s3@reddit

They could have stopped and asked ground/Tower for more room behind the CRJ, as regularly happens at busy fields. At the end of the day it's on the crew taxiing to ensure they have sufficient clearance and if they are uncomfortable with the distance to obstacles they absolutely have the authority to hold position until a reasonable clearance can be assured for safety

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LookoutBel0w@reddit

Nothing matters other than the fact that the a350 hit the crj. It’s the FO’s job to verify clear of the aircraft on the right side.

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SkyMilesEnthusiast@reddit

Did the A350 say they were off centerline? That could be the reason too. He says it around 7:30

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N314ER@reddit

He definitely said “on”….not sure why he would announce being off centerline.

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gham89@reddit

I thought he said "on centerline".

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SkyMilesEnthusiast@reddit

Yeah I couldn't tell if he said on or off

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FOSSnaught@reddit

I heard on for what it's worth.

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KentuckyCatMan@reddit

Sounds like he said

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wowpeterhkg@reddit

Only problem is that on the A350, you can’t see the wingtip from the cockpit (nor can you see it via the cockpit tail cam). So the only thing the pilot can rely on is to stay on the centerline and that the other aircraft are where they are supposed to be and behind their own line.

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QuirkyForker@reddit

What?! That’s totally nuts. Design flaw

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Temporary-Fix9578@reddit

Can you even see the wingtip from the cockpit of an A350? I can tell you in the CRJ it’s not easy

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bviecelli@reddit

Is the radio always chaotic like that? Even if I would know the flying language I would have a hard time understanding everything. Too much cross talk 😅

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doorbell2021@reddit

Completely normal. I'm just a piston pilot, but looking at the taxiway diagram I could readily follow what was happening.

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Zorg_Employee@reddit

You can hear the ground controllers voice tighten up after about the 8 min mark.

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hoponpot@reddit

It's actually 4:50 when he says that.

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rubey419@reddit

Thanks for posting this

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chak2005@reddit

Waiting for the number to copy and call.

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oddsix@reddit

When you are ready to copy .....

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jaysedai@reddit

That ATC went from normal but utterly chaotic to dead quiet after the event.

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chinesiumjunk@reddit

I think you mean 5:10

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TonyTheLieger@reddit

If they repair the A350 and total the CRJ, I hope they paint a little CRJ silhouette under the A350 cockpit window.

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Captainrexcody@reddit

Love it

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Law-of-Poe@reddit

A350s first designated kill

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smithers3882@reddit

More kills of manned aircraft than an F-22

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Dinosaur_Wrangler@reddit

But we’ll always have that Chinese Spy Balloon off the coast of VA, won’t we?

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savoytruffle@reddit

South Carolina

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Dinosaur_Wrangler@reddit

Oops. Yeah so I guess we don’t have that lol

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MyFavoriteLezbo420@reddit

…yet

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viperlemondemon@reddit

All I hear is habitual linecrosser’s grandpa buff trying to talk the kid down 🤣

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A3bilbaNEO@reddit

Cough, cough...AboutThatDash8...

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MrRampager911@reddit

Well there was that dash 8…..

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justcantfindusername@reddit

And a Dash 8-300

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bravogates@reddit

Or maybe a Canadian flag🇨🇦as a tribute to the CRJ being a bombardier and as a symbol of apology?

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FartInGenDirection@reddit

Gotta put "soorey" underneath

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badbatch@reddit

Soorey, aye

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bravogates@reddit

Try to apologize like a proper Canadian.

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enemawatson@reddit

This would be a beautiful thing lol.

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QuevedoDeMalVino@reddit

I lol’d at this.

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edkarls@reddit

Maybe a little Delta logo?

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Jettlagged_widget@reddit

Splash one CRJ

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Slagenthor@reddit

That would be perfect

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Mac30123456@reddit

I need this to become reality 😂

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SetecAstronomy_12@reddit

Wow, that’ll definitely get the Joe Patroni seal of approval

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xultar@reddit

They should do a teardrop like the gangsters get to show body count.

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FitsOut_Mostly@reddit

I just scared my cat by laughing. Maybe you can wear a cat pendant.

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dr_van_nostren@reddit

Absolutely incredible scene.

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turpaaboden@reddit

That's a bad day at work=P

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Viking_Musicologist@reddit

Tis' but a scratch.

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Deer-in-Motion@reddit

No it isn't! Yer tail's off!

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Patrick_Heyman_@reddit

Tis but a flesh wound then?

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Face88888888@reddit

I’m like 69% sure that every single Reddit post has holy grail quoted somewhere in the comments.

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Afilador2112@reddit

Does not.

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sdtbone@reddit

I've had worse

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ThePurpleHyacinth@reddit

A roll of speed tape should cover it up just fine.

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dencker60@reddit

The… rear fell off?

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Tommy84@reddit

We’re going to go anyway…

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Joshwoum8@reddit

It’s hard being the little guy on a big tarmac.

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XJAMAICAGOLDX@reddit

I wonder what that insurance call sounds like?

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Icy_Huckleberry_8049@reddit

It's all up to the insurance company and DL as to whether it's totaled or not. Lots of planes have had have damage that was more severe than that that were repaired and put back into service.

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RichSalt4466@reddit

me driving

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Exodia101@reddit

Am I the only one wondering why Dulles has a Volvo V90 as an ops car?

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bantha121@reddit

Yes given that this wasn't at Dulles

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Exodia101@reddit

Sorry I meant Atlanta, don't know why I typed Dulles

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Ludicrous_speed77@reddit

See what happens if you step on the left rudder? The whole dam tail fell off.

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pr1ap15m@reddit

well boss good news we found some engines for those planes we got on ground, just one catch

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abstractmodulemusic@reddit

When a Gen X'er got sent to the principal's office. 🤣

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davidviola68@reddit

That's not "cipped"... that's a strike

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HornedWolf3@reddit

Big planes shouldn’t bully the smaller planes

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UpfrontMoviesPodcast@reddit

"clipped"

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Bloodyfalcan@reddit

Mhmm doing a lot of heavy lifting here

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donkeyrocket@reddit

Big fucking whoopsie daisy there

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OD_Emperor@reddit

It really did too. Barely tapped the wing just before the wingtip on the 350.

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ban-please@reddit

I've had worse haircuts.

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exqueezemenow@reddit

That's gonna be some paperwork...

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Heart_ofFlorida@reddit

Amazing how small the CRJ looked next to the A350, but how large the CRJ looks compared to the road vehicles.

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GyroBoing@reddit

Did they leave a note?

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Yussso@reddit

His insurance company : "You hit a what?!"

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CouchPotatoFamine@reddit

Farmers has seen that

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Mike__O@reddit

I don't know about "totaled" but it certainly damaged it pretty good! If it was a -200 I'd say they'd write it off for sure, but a -900 might be worth fixing, depending on how old and beat up it is.

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ProudlyWearingThe8@reddit

Getting this thing back into the air again will be quite an endeavor...

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altbekannt@reddit

non native speaker here. i sense a pun, but don’t understand it.

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ProudlyWearingThe8@reddit

"Endeavor" is another word for "effort", "struggle" or "work".

"Endeavor Air" is also the name of the airline whose CRJ's tail got clipped.

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altbekannt@reddit

owwwww

haha, gotcha! thanks

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2992Hg@reddit

r/angryupvote

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PunkAssBitch2000@reddit

Aaah I see what you did there!!

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jar1967@reddit

It is going to depend on how much structural damage was done to the fuselage. It's the tale held on for a tiny bit, the airframe is going to be deformed and not wort repairing. The aircraft will then become property of the insurance company who will immediately strip it of every usable part to be sold for spares to recover some of their loss. Parts of that aircraft could still be flying twenty years from now

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madshanker132@reddit

Very true if the fuselage around it isn't damaged they could possibly get a new v-stab assembly installed. It look like it broke above the fuselage. They just remove the remaining section and get a new one. Insurance and possible Warranty might be possible.

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RaptorFire22@reddit

Are the vertical stabs part of the body on these? I know on fighters the tails have a mounting structure on the body but can be removed and replaced.

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madshanker132@reddit

It should be a mounting structure, I think they all use it. Massive ease of fabrication, transportation, and installation.

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chasepsu@reddit

Per Airframer, Aernnova Aerospace makes the empennage, while Mitsubishi makes the aft fuselage, so it's almost certainly a mounting structure that Bombardier combines at final assembly.

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madshanker132@reddit

Well not anymore the crj plant is owned by airbus building a220s now they also have a flight test center there. Mitsubishi owns it now but haven't started a new production line that I'm aware of

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chasepsu@reddit

Oh good point. But either way, the empennage and the fuselage are not a single piece, so depending upon the structural damage (if any) to the fuselage, it's possible that they could just replace the empennage. (It does appear that it's resting on the left engine cowling too, so that'll probably need a teardown and full inspection)

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mck1117@reddit

The engines are at least supposed to come off, so not a huge deal there

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madshanker132@reddit

And more then likely it would just be a cowling replacement not an entire engine

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madshanker132@reddit

Maybe not it looks like the hstab is toughing the ground and looking at the crj side view it might not be. The very forward tip of the vstab base is barely reaching the engine exhaust and the break looks clean to one side. But it could just be the perspective of the photo. But it's going to be a maintenance crew nightmare and an apprentice wet dream to work on😂

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oddsix@reddit

It's a "limited" lifetime warranty, that may come into play here.

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madshanker132@reddit

Well let delta pray that it's still in the limited time and if not oh well. Either insurance or scrapping

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Zintoatree@reddit

First, they'll need to speed tape that stab back on so they can ferry it to Macon.

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Waffler11@reddit

A little speed tape and she’ll be good to go!

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knowitokay@reddit (OP)

It is a CRJ-900

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profkimchi@reddit

Just a flesh wound

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Afilador2112@reddit

"Hey, do we have a checklist for tail gets knocked off?"

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cyclicsquare@reddit

Flight controls free and clear? check

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simulationaxiom@reddit

Scrap

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unimorpheus@reddit

Somebody will be flying for Spirit soon....

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Marionettework@reddit

Phew, for a second I thought the A350 got totalled.

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jtbis@reddit

PF recently upgraded from the CRJ and finally was able to take his revenge /s

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Savings-Newspaper625@reddit

Missed it by thiiiiiiiiis much !

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Affectionate_Most_64@reddit

I’d fly it

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decayed-whately@reddit

I'm confused: Which is the horizontal stabilizer, and which is vertical? 🤔

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Metalbasher324@reddit

It's a T tail laying sideways.

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decayed-whately@reddit

(I'm not actually confused, just messing around.)

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Metalbasher324@reddit

Ah, right. Sometimes, I'm too literal.

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CAM6913@reddit

Got duct tape?

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slavabien@reddit

What’s the deductible please?

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rb-2008@reddit

I heard about it on the radio and CNBC made it out to be a catastrophic collision on the runway.

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HotpantsDelFuego@reddit

Drug tests are about to go off the charts around the airport lol. I doubt it's a scrap/salvage though. Tons of NDT down the pipeline in the future, for sure.

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koolerb@reddit

Literally “clipped”.

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dwagon00@reddit

It’ll buff out.

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onehotreddit@reddit

The cut is almost perfect. 😲

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WhollyPally@reddit

The real question is "How is this Boeing's fault and how can we make them pay"

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atooraya@reddit

News articles headlines going to be “2 airplanes collided near a Boeing aircraft in Atlanta!”

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Heliospunk@reddit

I'm pretty sure the Pilots got distracted by a crashing 737-Max.

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PM_ME_YER_BOOTS@reddit

In a wreck and need a check?

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N314ER@reddit

Call CRJ-A350

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airdrummer01@reddit

877-1500

Or 222-2222

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863rays@reddit

I’m sure it was CrowdStrike’s fault…

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Abefroman12@reddit

Better send Ed Bastian to France ASAP to hold Airbus responsible for this!

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No_Anteater_58@reddit

No more jack screw inspections for the one!

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Liamnacuac@reddit

Boeing can make them a great deal on a 737 MAX.

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SummerInPhilly@reddit

How much damage did the A350 suffer?

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anamazingredditor@reddit

Quite literally, a "tailstrike" 😂

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Purocco@reddit

You hit a WHAT?!?

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V_narni2CEO@reddit

He play playing Fly Simulator while the work

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Mysterious_Silver_27@reddit

Did they land the thing like that after a mid air collision?

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CattleDogCurmudgeon@reddit

Is this a case of Delta on Delta crime?

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Airbus_Captain@reddit

Just put some speed tape on the tail. Ops check ok

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lordofbuttsecks@reddit

Why is no one showing the A350

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edkarls@reddit

Difficult to understand how this could happen in today’s day and age, especially at a place like ATL.

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IcyUnderstanding5580@reddit

someone’s getting fired

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Jack3489@reddit

That isn’t a folding tail to fit into the hanger?

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Startella@reddit

Gorilla glue will fix it no problem!

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rayleo02@reddit

Just leave a note

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rarehugs@reddit

dang that's gotta be a ton of paperwork

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ChinaCatProphet@reddit

That'll buff right out.

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av8geek@reddit

Simply Flying will make this Boeings fault.

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Law-of-Poe@reddit

“In more upsetting news for Boeing…”

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phatRV@reddit

Yup everything that is aviation problem is Boeing fault

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morbob@reddit

Call 1-800- Duct tape

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Murpydoo@reddit

We use speed tape for this

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tdurden_@reddit

Speed tape and send it!

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Zintoatree@reddit

Possibly a dab of B 1/2 as well.

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EvidenceEuphoric6794@reddit

I think it's funny that alot of plane accidents (recently anyway) happen on the ground when most people are scared of flying

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EternalOptimist404@reddit

this is a total tangent but several years ago a friend of mine used to do Spanish to English translation for an insurance company. he said that the amount of accidents that happened in parking lots was ridiculous, easily the majority of what he translated, people just not paying attention, doing WHATever!, because they think they're safe because they're off the road..

I'm also flying tomorrow and this makes me nervous as hell. a321 and it's sold out. get it together over there already and that crappyass atc Tower

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0100001101110111@reddit

There's a lot more space in the air.

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DeathByChainsaw@reddit

I would much rather a collision on the ground than one in air

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ctubby766@reddit

The tail folds down so it will fit below deck.

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turboj3t@reddit

They can fix that with speed tape and Super glue

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MonsieurReynard@reddit

A little JB Weld just to be safe

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Freewheelinrocknroll@reddit

A little duct tape will fix that right up..

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EternalOptimist404@reddit

flex seal for the win!

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th3thrilld3m0n@reddit

Interesting that another a350 wing clipped an aircraft just soon after the BA a350 clipped the Virgin 787

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stevenbrotzel91@reddit

Glad no one was killed

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interstellar-dust@reddit

Does anyone have photos of the 350?

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Aurelius_0101@reddit

Get that MRB engineer out there quick! You could still salvage it.

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mvpilot172@reddit

That is not gonna buff out.

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koth442@reddit

Better than colliding in the air.

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HabANahDa@reddit

Totaled? Naaah. Throw some speed tape on it and send her!!

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NIk340@reddit

In a clear day is unacceptable -no matter what ATC said -for the captain not to realise the coming impact.

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Chocolatecake420@reddit

That'll buff right out.

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Footprints123@reddit

That'll buff right out.

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That’ll buff right out!

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CaptainStankyFarts@reddit

I don't think it was actually struck. It was probably just startled by the A350. Like several species of lizards, the CRJ is capable of what's known as autonomy where it sheds the tail to distract the larger predator. Don't worry, it'll grow back and be back in the air in no time.

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5thaxis@reddit

Oh that'll buff right out

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NCITUP@reddit

Well at least this happened on the ground and not in the air

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mattyGOAT1996@reddit

Reminds me of that video where an Air France A380 clipped a CRJ

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FireWallxQc@reddit

Costly mistake

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SCCock@reddit

"Folks, uhh, we have a minor problem, uhhh we are going to get a mechanic out here to uhhhh, take a look, we should be underway momentarily."

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huhuhuhhhh@reddit

What happens to the pilots in this situation? do they get in trouble or hop onto another CRJ?

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jbenite14@reddit

They most likely have to give a De-Tailed statement to whoever investigates the accident, drug tests, etc.

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ICWhatYouMean@reddit

You win this thread!

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huhuhuhhhh@reddit

Holy shit that was epic

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bobith5@reddit

It's crazy that A350/777 wings lose to light poles consistently but can cut the tail clean off a CRJ.

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Traquer@reddit

It was lateral force on the poor CRJ's tail, I bet it didn't take too much!

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FeePsychological6778@reddit

At least it wasn't in the air over Long Island (AA587), or blown off mid flight by an improper repair (JAL123)...

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TimeVendor@reddit

Will the CRJ get the tail back is what I am worried.

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cobraskunk@reddit

When your rudder becomes an elevator and your elevator becomes a rudder...

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Teppy-Gray@reddit

a350 casually rips off the entire tail i think it was a little more than just a clip

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FirstWorldProblems17@reddit

Use some speed tape

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Lwaldie@reddit

What'll happen to the points here? Admin leave whilst awaiting investigations

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PunkAssBitch2000@reddit

Probably some retraining of some sort.

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trek604@reddit

oof. ATC recording available yet? lol

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the231050@reddit

‘Appearing’ 😂

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No_Size_1765@reddit

I guess you cant park there

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oddsix@reddit

Appearing too. I worked at KMHT years ago for a regional, Precision Airlines. One of my extra jobs there was loading and unloading the flying tigers plane with cargo. I don't recall exactly what they flew in and out, but one of the planes that regularly came in had it's tail ripped off just like this CRJ. I didn't believe the A&P when he first told me, but he showed me a newspaper article from the accident and how they were able to scavenge an empennage out of Thailand to fix it.

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