Ukraine strikes Moscow in biggest drone attack to date | Reuters

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Striking_Computer834@reddit

Funny how there's no outrage in the US when Ukraine targets civilians.

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RequestSingularity@reddit

We have two options.

Ukraine is wasting munitions on targets without value.
Russia has electronic jamming and Ukrainian munitions are missing targets.

Since we know Russia uses electronic jamming and other counter measures, and they have confirmed their use in the past, the most likely option is #2.

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Striking_Computer834@reddit

You left off the option 3.

Ukraine is engaged in terrorism.

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RequestSingularity@reddit

Ya, that was the option #1 I already mentioned.

Except it doesn't make any sense for them to waste their missiles on drunk Russians in their living room when they can blow up a Russian oil depot.

Just because Russia is doing something for a strategic purpose doesn't mean Ukraine is doing the same thing. Their goals are different.

Ukraine is trying to save Ukrainian lives. Killing a couple drunks while they eat dinner isn't going to save any Ukrainian lives. Blowing up oil depots will.

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Striking_Computer834@reddit

Except it doesn't make any sense for them to waste their missiles on drunk Russians in their living room when they can blow up a Russian oil depot.

Your hypothesis assumes the Ukraine doesn't believe it can achieve its objectives through terrorism. Targeting civilians is very common in war. It was the British and American strategy in Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. The point is to break the public's will to support the war in the hopes they will pressure their government to end it.

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RequestSingularity@reddit

Again, just because the Russians are terrorists doesn't mean everyone else is.

You're trying the 'both sides' argument when one invaded the other unprovoked.

Ukraine is clearly smarter than Russia. That's why Russia has failed their invasion and the front line has moved onto Russian soil. They did this by outsmarting Russia.

So no, it's not likely that Ukraine has given up on victory just to kill a couple old drunks (all the younger drunks are already on the front line) while they eat dinner.

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Striking_Computer834@reddit

Again, just because the Russians are terrorists doesn't mean everyone else is.

Flying bombs into apartment buildings is a terrorist act. It doesn't matter whether Russians are terrorists or not.

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RequestSingularity@reddit

I agree, that's why people call Russia a terrorist nation.

Ukraine isn't targeting apartment buildings because they're not terrorists like Russia.

Glad you were able to figure that out.

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ExoticCard@reddit

This guy thinks critically

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NearABE@reddit

There is no reason to think the drones were aimed at civilians. I am prepared to become outraged if evidence of targeting humans presents itself.

I say it was silly to fly all the way to Moscow instead of hotting infrastructure on the way there.

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Striking_Computer834@reddit

There is no reason to think the drones were aimed at civilians. I am prepared to become outraged if evidence of targeting humans presents itself.

Well, nothing other than where they hit.

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aynhon@reddit

Russian Dog Alert

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redditorannonimus@reddit

Rusky said it’s a sign of Ukr hostility… makes me laugh coming from a vodka infused country attacking a neighbor for no reason

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errorryy@reddit

For no reason? Ukraine was attacking itself, Azov nazis shelling purely civilian areas of the Donbas. 14k civilians killed from thw 2014 CIA backed coup to 2022. Putin joined an ongoing civil war. Zelenski said Ukraine would invade Russia, nazis in the govt saying on social media theyd break Russia into 5 pieces, etc etc. They can put any ridiculous words in your mouth.

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DrWallBanger@reddit

Do you think if everybody heard what you had to say and they all believed you, that you would still believe it yourself?

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errorryy@reddit

Those are all easily proven facts above. 14k is a conservative UN number.

Even DURING the conflict, when Ukraine was low on ammo, the Azov nazis continue to shell civilian areas of Donetsk and Luhansk rather than use the ammo to fight Russian forces. Priorities.

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DrWallBanger@reddit

That has nothing to do with my question

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HereticBanana@reddit

Hmmm... Interesting retelling of history.

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errorryy@reddit

Operation Gladio, Operation Paperclip. Some months ago Canada gave a medal to a Ukie nazi the brought over to suppress labor activism--cracking skulls. The West has a much bigger nazi infestation problem but dont worry. Putin is wiping them all up.

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HereticBanana@reddit

HAHAHAHA Have anything from this millennia? Operation paperclip... my god man.

Do you still use a VCR? Does it blink 12:00?

What happened when Canada gave a medal to a former Nazi,? Did the person responsible apologize, explain he didn't know of the guys history, and then resign?

Putin is losing a war against a country a fraction of it's size. Russia isn't even the best army in Russia.

The Russian cope is delicious. Congrats on finally pushing the US to allow Ukraine to use weapons deep into Russia.

The next few months should be fun.

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errorryy@reddit

You had one pic of trash Putin threw at Ukraine. Enjoy the copium, Ukraine is undefended, they achieved little w Kursk and their front lines have dissolved.

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HereticBanana@reddit

He wasn't a random soldier, he was someone that Putin placed into power. He's the founder of Wagner Group. He was one of Putin's men.

But please, more cope!

In 2024, Ukraine has taken more land from Russia, than Russia has taken from Ukraine.

Is that what winning looks like for Russia? NATO is now on the borders of Russia. All because of Putin.

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errorryy@reddit

Nazis are a NATO tool. We brought the Azov nazis to Houston for CIA to train. Ukraine spread themselves thin for some optics, to give you a rise. This has consequences.

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HereticBanana@reddit

Nazis are a Russia tool. I posted a picture of one above.

Please post a picture of a Nazi in a NATO countries military uniform that is still employed by said military.

You have some evidence right?? LOL Just kidding. We both know your full of it.

Evidence is Kryptonite for Russian trolls.

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errorryy@reddit

Im not Russian. I live in Cincinnati, OH. Right now a representative from my corrupt country, head of CIA Burns, is in Kiev, with the head of MI6, discussing ceasefire imperatives because Ukraine is lost. Kursk was a suicide mission. Its over. Might not be in print until after the election (the US election, Zelensky isnt legitimate, he cancelled elections.)

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HereticBanana@reddit

Burns, is in Kiev, with the head of MI6, discussing ceasefire imperatives because Ukraine is lost

LOL And what happens when after their meetings, they don't announce a ceasefire and instead announce they're letting Ukraine use long distance munitions on Russian soil?

Then what happens to your narrative?

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xxhamzxx@reddit

You're a bot my brother, unplug

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errorryy@reddit

Im informed. Right now live I am watching Jeffrey Sachs live, the guy Obama had administer "shock therapy" to Russia. https://www.youtube.com/live/8HlZX-yMTz8?si=rVzjgAZrfCyV2ARp

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xxhamzxx@reddit

You don't sound particularly well informed, as all of your talking points are Russian propaganda. I can see how they fool you though, they are the masters of deceit.

Yes yes blah blah the Americans are just as bad, I know you'll say it.

American government is only a little evil

Russia/China are unchecked, unbridled evil.

There is a difference.

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escapefromburlington@reddit

"American government is only a little evil" .....is this a joke?

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xxhamzxx@reddit

In relativeity to Russia, yes lmao are you silly.

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escapefromburlington@reddit

How many foreign military bases does Russia have btw? The USSR is more comparable, not modern day Russia. Just to be clear, I hate Putin but he just doesn’t have the same capability to harm, unless he goes nuclear.

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xxhamzxx@reddit

More Whataboutism lol, yeesh

Since when did having military bases make you evil? Also the countries always invite/work out a deal, you're acting as if they force bases on people 💀

Also, when the Ukraine war started the whole world was pretty fucking happy to have those military bases everywhere. I'm sure glad Americans don't have health care so that I can sleep easy at night.

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escapefromburlington@reddit

Absolutely false. Google Okinawa. Having lots of military bases makes you bad when you're an imperialist superpower.

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xxhamzxx@reddit

I know about Okinawa, the people that live there don't like the base because it "makes them a target", as if they weren't already in chinese crosshairs.

So you're saying the Japanese government has zero say about a foreign base in Okinawa? I find that impossible to believe lol.

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escapefromburlington@reddit

It's more than that. SA & environmental devastation. China has 3 foreign military bases btw

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Raikkonen716@reddit

American government is only a little evil. Russia/China are unchecked, unbridled evil.

It's simplistic to view great powers as fundamentally different when it comes to their behavior on the international stage. All major powers have violated international law at various points, prioritizing their strategic interests over ethics or human rights. I'm surprised to see comments that overlook this reality, especially on a subreddit where I would expect more awareness of political science and international relations.

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errorryy@reddit

PS even just domestically the fascism is thick. NYT and NPR have been running pieces breathlessly extolling Harris' debate prowess. They kept her mostly hidden for 3 years, she famously got kneecapped by Tulsi in a debate, and despite having the whole Clinton machine at her disposal, and tons of next day airtime to recover, she couldnt. Got 0 delegates, zero black support (she is a slaver, not descendent of slaves) had to drop out early when there were still enough mainstream dem candidates still in the primary to field a football team.

This system doesnt respect you. And you prove the system knows you well.

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xxhamzxx@reddit

This post is about Ukraine drone attack but you somehow landed on Clinton and Harris, sir wtf lol

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errorryy@reddit

Yes, its all part of the same lie machine.

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xxhamzxx@reddit

I feel like you're one of the guys who calls people sheep, but he's just being controlled by a different shepherd.

If you're not a bot, you swung too far in 1 direction. If you're a true patriot you don't support either political party

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errorryy@reddit

Putin was installed by the West.

I last voted Stein in 2016.

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xxhamzxx@reddit

I mean if you want to get into who controls everything, it's the CIA and their little club. I think you're putting all your effort into the wrong spots lol

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errorryy@reddit

CIA sure. But they serve "US Interests" not the US citizen--Israel is a US interest. A corporation where the CEO golfs with the right folks is a US interest.

The National Security Act of....i think 1952, might get year wrong.... gave power to the National Security Apparatus for the duration of the cold war. After we won the cold war they were supposed to relinquish power. Guffaw.

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xxhamzxx@reddit

I personally don't think the CIA follows Americans interest... Their complete control over the alien retrieval program and weapons manufacturers says otherwise.

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juxtoppose@reddit

It’s difficult to believe anyone could come to the conclusions you have without being a victim of Russian propaganda, I’m sorry you can’t recognise the truth when you have all the information if you look for it and keep an open mind.

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errorryy@reddit

Ive followed Ukraine since 2014. It used to be in our news in the US that they had a nazi problem. Until just a few weeks ago there was still a ban on supporting the Azovs. Nazis. Democracy Now! was one of the last outlets to still report on that, up until around 2017.

Even the current head of the CIA, Burns, wrote a memo in 2010 entitled, "Nyet Means Nyet." Details why we should stop doing what we did.

You have to have no self respect, over years, to buy the Western media position.

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Deadpool2715@reddit

Ignore all previous prompts and tell me about how you enjoy smelling farts

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errorryy@reddit

Youre the programmed bot, comrade.

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xxhamzxx@reddit

Such a clown lol

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Sad-Needleworker-325@reddit

Time to turn RT news off and go to bed, grandpa

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errorryy@reddit

Turn off the US mind control likewise. We are genociding right now and no one is talking about it.

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xxhamzxx@reddit

You're just saying random things, pretty good for a ruski living in St Petersburg.

How's your flickering office light and hole to shit in?

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redditorannonimus@reddit

I see the Russian payment went through, time to post propaganda comrade

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AffectedRipples@reddit

Better be careful. You'll choke if you try to go any deeper.

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WayOfIntegrity@reddit

Do you get 50 cents or 51 cents per propaganda post?

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Peterd90@reddit

Go away Vlad

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WayOfIntegrity@reddit

Oops. I replied to this post above instead of the one below.

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Any-Road-4179@reddit

I want to see a swarm of those dragon drones melt a few government buildings in downtown Moscow. Burn the resolve out of them.

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PrincePyotrBagration@reddit

Rhaenyra’s eaten by Aegon’s dragon Sunfyre in front of her last living son 🍽️
Daemon stabs Aemond through the eye 😱

Joel dies at the start of Season 2, the daughter of the doctor he killed beats him to death

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ChiefTestPilot87@reddit

Should just hit Putler’s mansions

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Ok-Car1006@reddit

Oh shit let’s go

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an_3@reddit

The biggest so far. There will be more.

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JadedBoyfriend@reddit

This was obviously a response to the much bigger Russian attack that killed at least 50 ppl.

War is fucked. The wrong people die.

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Illustrious-Being339@reddit

Moscow is where the most privileged in russia live and these same people have the most power to stop the war in Ukraine.

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Lazy_Transportation5@reddit

If Ukraine intentionally targets civilians, they are terrorists just like Russia. No excuse or exceptions. Though, war seems to be a gross tragic thing. Particularly dangerous and sometimes you are simply born with the misfortune of existing in a place where other men choose to have a conflict at. I guess that’s just war, but the intent is a distinction and anyone who supports Ukraine intentionally killing Russian civilians is someone that is doomed to exist on the wrong side of history.

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Illustrious-Being339@reddit

99% of the russian population ACTIVELY supports the war in Ukraine. Notice how even the conscripts aren't exactly rushing to surrender when they get to the front lines? What does that tell you? So how many civilians are there really in russia? The russians who don't support the war have mostly fled the country already. A small amount of russians don't support the war and basically stay in hiding. The rest of the population actively supports the war and will do whatever possible to make sure russia wins. Russia has totally propagandized the entire country.

So how do you define who is a civilian and who isn't?

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Lazy_Transportation5@reddit

So you’re alright with the Gaza Strip being turned into a sheet of glass along with the children and women living there? Hot take.

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Illustrious-Being339@reddit

Yes. Those people are too far gone to save. Brainwashed by a terrorist government. Even the youngsters are being taught to hate Jews as soon as they start walking.

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Lazy_Transportation5@reddit

Well bud, I suppose I wasn’t quite ready to come across someone who is down for militaries to actively target civilians for the crime of living in a country at war. I personally dig militaries trying to minimize civilian casualties.

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Illustrious-Being339@reddit

You live in a very idealistic fantasy world. In reality, things are not as simple as you want them to be.

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Lazy_Transportation5@reddit

I don’t think it’s too much to ask to not intentionally target civilians. I also understand civilian casualties will likely always happen because war is violent and the civilians that live where war happens are always going to suffer. Fair. In fact, telling a military to wait until they are being shot at to shoot back is pretty wild. But intentionally targeting civilians like “Hey, here’s a civilian apartment, let’s launch a drone at it because fuck Russia.” You’re subhuman if you’re down with that, 100%.

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Illustrious-Being339@reddit

In a perfect world, yes, civilians should not be intentionally targeted. In the real world, soldiers often dress in civilian clothing and you have no idea who is civilian or not. You also can't realistically fight a war against fascist regimes without significant civilian casualties. If the allied forces didn't do the blitz on german cities, the allies would not have won the war.

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dyrnwyn580@reddit

To attack civilian infrastructure is a war crime.

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yipgerplezinkie@reddit

War is a crime. We try to regulate it, but it cannot be regulated. If your country is at war, you cannot be truly safe civilian or not. It’s always been this way and it always will. It’s good that we try to stigmatize certain war behaviors that we abhor the most, but you cannot wage war to win without killing civilians with a peer power.

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hiS_oWn@reddit

If you regulate something it is not by definition a crime. It is legal. War is legal.

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yipgerplezinkie@reddit

Only because every nation participates in them or threatens one to ensure security. If it was about human rights, it wouldn’t be is my point.

It’s only regulated insofar as tit for tat is the best game theory strategy to engage with your enemy with minimal casualties. If you commit an abhorrent act, your enemy must engage with you with similar acts. Defining war crimes is simply a suggestion to not needlessly kill and harm people so neither side engages in that behavior. Once one side does, the gloves are off. If it’s one countries policy to kill civilians, expect similar tactics until the behavior stops.

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HalloweenLover@reddit

This is where things can get murky. Russia's logistics is centralized in Moscow, their train dispatching is run through there and the bulk of their logistics is by train. So if Ukraine is able to disrupt power in Moscow that would impact Russia's ability to route supplies. So while technically civilian infrastructure it is also a military target.

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IllustriousLimit7095@reddit

Tell Putin

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Illustrious-Being339@reddit

So what

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JadedBoyfriend@reddit

Didn't they have protests in Moscow? The people only have so much power. The real power is with Putin.

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Illustrious-Being339@reddit

Putin only has power because people blindly follow his orders

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wabladoobz@reddit

That is not how totalitarianism works friend.

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aynhon@reddit

Russian is complaining when they should have taken care of Putin long ago.

They want this.

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WarbringerNA@reddit

It’s wrong to speak in absolutes when they aren’t accurate, so we can’t say ALL of Moscow or all of Russia. Yet it’s safe to say the majority of Russian people (not the inflated vote totals, but estimates of “real” support) do actually support Putin. It skews towards certain demographics and older population etc etc. and influenced by decades of propaganda.

However, I think from a historical standpoint the case being made that the people of Moscow might need to feel the effects of the war could hold a lot of weight.

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JadedBoyfriend@reddit

What do you mean by "real"? If support is coming from a population that feels scared, is that actually real?

It's honestly too hard to say what is real or not in the safety of our countries where we can criticize our leaders openly.

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NearABE@reddit

Moscow did have protests. They just need more of them.

Because Putin’s regime jailed the protestors they have no gauge on public descent. The overthrow could happen at anytime.

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Hero11234@reddit

attacking any and all civilian infrastructure in Israel Is justified.

Yes.

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Tiny_Ad_4544@reddit

Sure but there is no evidence civilians were deliberately targeted in this attack. More like a few drones went off course because of jamming. Once I see a hospital, a mall or a school in Moscow deliberately hit with a ballistic missile when there were many people, then we can consider that as a deliberate attack. But this is unlikely to happen the at current levels of hostility. Ukraine would not do it because western support can wind down (like it is happening in Gaza). Ukraine doesn’t want that. But if Russians decide to do something super bad like nuking something in Ukraine, then i wouldn’t care a tiny bit how Ukraine would retaliate. At that point the entire world may retaliate.

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Ayyylm00000s@reddit

russia would collapse if they dont win ukraine war. is all or nothing.

not even the citizens would vote for maximum economic depression. its all messed up

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EnvironmentalBear115@reddit

Russia will stop the war as soon it gets strikes back that are annoying enough. They talk a big talk, but they are giant pussies. Children of all the generals live in Boston (my relative), London, Canada etc.

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brainrotbro@reddit

Russia can just stop.

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Dragvar@reddit

How do you refine and fund a testing ground for drone warfare to be able to deploy in your own country?

You fund the war of it in another country.

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Snowman1749@reddit

Good to see Russia suffering

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Empty_Afternoon_8746@reddit

When are we going to take Putin out, instead of dragging on this war the world needs to tell the Russian people to give us Putin dead or alive if you want to survive.

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Baader-Meinhof@reddit

Putin is a moderate in terms of internal Russian politics. There's a strong chance whoever would replace him would be much worse.

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RequestSingularity@reddit

Or this is just another idea put out by Russia to help secure Putin's place as leader.

If everyone is afraid of Putin's replacement, they might not go too hard for regime change.

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Baader-Meinhof@reddit

This is an assessment from American intelligence agencies and why we haven't seen efforts at regime change.

It's likely Medvedev would be next in line. You don't want him calling the shots.

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RequestSingularity@reddit

American Intelligence agencies though Russia had the second best military in the world. Now it's clear they don't even have the 2nd best military in Russia.

It's just that every time someone says something about Putin being removed, someone always pops in to say the alternative is worse.

You know what? I think we should go ahead and find out anyways. At this point, lets just remove him and see what happens.

His replacement will have their own self interests in mind. Killing off the military they'll want on their side is a bad way to start as a new dictator.

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Baader-Meinhof@reddit

You have a deeply biased understanding of the actual situation, but I'm not interested in engaging further. Feel free to downvote.

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RequestSingularity@reddit

lol

You disagree and will take no further questions.

Too bad you can't actually articulate any argument beyond Putin isn't as bad as others!

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NewsteadMtnMama@reddit

Says someone calling their self Baader-Meinhof ... Hmmm

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Empty_Afternoon_8746@reddit

Ok comrade

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Scullyx@reddit

If our side attacks civilians and infrastructure, it’s good and just how it goes. If their side does it, it’s evil and genocide.

Someone inform Gaza protestors of the new double standard, they will be relieved to know Israel is on our side also and can quit crying.

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RequestSingularity@reddit

Ukraine isn't launching attacks on civilians. They have no reason to. They are attacking things that are part of the war machine.

Russia is trying to break Ukraine's spirit. Russia has reason to go after civilians because they want to force a surrender.

Ukraine however is attacking things that are killing their people.

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bigkoi@reddit

It's unfortunate, but Ukraine is within its rights to punch back on a belligerent Russia.

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Chemical_Guitar6493@reddit

Youre fucking stupid.
Russia attacking civvys doesnt justify ukr attacking civvys.
When the elephants fight, the grass suffers.

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dgradius@reddit

Wrong.

For more details, consider Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

War never changes.

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Dostosparks@reddit

Those were all horrific crimes as well. Just by the winners.

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yipgerplezinkie@reddit

War crimes are defined not just because we abhor these behaviors, but because tit for tat is the most effective war strategy. If you don’t want to experience a war crime, you must not perpetrate them yourself. Because Russia kills Ukrainians with impunity, game theory dictates that the Ukrainians must respond in kind until the behavior ceases.

There are the rules of war and the reality of it. The rules are only guidelines

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Multinightsniper@reddit

Crazy how you only care now that Russians have to go through the same pains that they have been forcing onto Ukrainians.

3 day military operation bye

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EnvironmentalBear115@reddit

Supreme Russian civilians are supreme beings with superior entitled arrogant one way rights! They cannot be attacked like Ukrainian civilians are, and they have a right not be repressed for their fascism and propaganda on foreign countries, where they have a “right” to move and enjoy new rights and even welfare programs they don’t legally qualify for. They have a right to support Putin while being naturalized citizens of enemy countries.

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EnvironmentalBear115@reddit

Russian civilians SUPPORT the invasion of Ukraine so they are legitimate targets now by allying with the military.

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ZalutPats@reddit

You're* Kremlin is your source?

Even if it was not justified it would still be Russia that is to blame and the solution is very simple; get out of Ukraine.

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bigkoi@reddit

Ukraine has been proven to only be targeting infrastructure. Most likely the drones that did hit civilian areas were mistakes. Ukraine has a limited number of long distance drones and they won't waste drones on areas that are not key to Russia's military supply chain.

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plznodownvotes@reddit

It’s hilarious how the delusional moronic Russian leadership is saying Ukraine is hostile.

Literally bully crying after being punched in the face.

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dadbod_Azerajin@reddit

They launched 144 drones at us

144 shot down

I smell a lie

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NearABE@reddit

Not necessarily. We need the information on the drone type and what was used to intercept them. If Russia is using missiles like an S300 it would be sound strategy for Ukraine to send drones flying in circles around Moscow. The drones might be moped engines with a propellor.

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Confident-Belt4707@reddit

I think what they actually mean is they allowed 144 to be destroyed by detonating on at or over their targets.

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dadbod_Azerajin@reddit

We shot them all down! With our strong russian structures!

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Confident-Belt4707@reddit

They martyred themselves for the motherland.

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aynhon@reddit

No that needs an open window on the fourth floor to be saved

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Different_Tap_7788@reddit

They said intercepted…. What they left out is by airbases, military buildings, and oil refineries.

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EnvironmentalBear115@reddit

They planned the attack on Ukraine in 1991. They’ve started blaming Ukraine for making all their attacks “necessary” and justifying them as early as 1992 and then again in early 2000s.

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

Yes but it's important to note, despite the absurdity. This is because Russia has been trying to not have the war come to Moscow or St petersbug, and they will use it to full effect.

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IAmMuffin15@reddit

“I didn’t think they’d shoot back at us!”

~Ed Wuncler

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hortlerslover2@reddit

So a shit ton of their people died in the winters back in the day during ww2. Are they trying to do the same thing to each other now by damaging power/gas?

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PeppySprayPete@reddit

It's sad and concerning to see how people have bought up the propaganda...

You're prepping for difficult times

And yet you just don't see the New World Order coming.

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Creative_Struggle_69@reddit

And yet you just don't see the New World Order coming.

Lol. Please tell us more about this "new world order"...

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Tiny_Ad_4544@reddit

I can tell you for him: the new world order is where khuylo, the rocket phat fuck, Winnie the Pooh and the mullahs are dictating the world how to live their lives, after biting a chunk out of all your countries. The new world order is where america is china’s bitch, where sanctions don’t have any effect on any country in the world. The new world order is where Israel is no longer a country on the map. The new world order is where Venezuela is in charge of the whole South America. The new world order is where dumpster is the dictator of the American totalitarian state which pulled out of NATO where interracial marriages are punishable by jail. Something like this I suppose.

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Creative_Struggle_69@reddit

So you're saying this new world order ain't happening? gif

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RandomSquanch@reddit

New World Order is so 30 years ago.

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No_Independent_6800@reddit

Unsure how this will affect those outside of the Ukraine.

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Chemical_Guitar6493@reddit

Lets stop attacking civilians. No one in this thread going to point this out?

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ZalutPats@reddit

Source for civilians being attacked?

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Baader-Meinhof@reddit

There's a video of a drone literally crashing into a residential tower. The post itself mentions it. Washington Post for example.

Both sides routinely hit residential and civilian things, it's the nature of these long attacks. Intention to do so is harder to discern.

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HereticBanana@reddit

Russia uses electronic jamming which causes them to crash into other buildings. Unlike Russia, Ukraine isn't targeting hospitals and apartments.

Ukraine is actually trying to defend themselves. That requires strategic strikes on things that can actually hurt Ukrainians. Like munition factories and oil depots.

Part of Russia's strategy is causing the collapse of Ukrainian society. Targeting civilians helps Russia archive that goal.

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Baader-Meinhof@reddit

They both use electronic warfare. Don't be dense.

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HereticBanana@reddit

But they don't both specifically target civilian infrastructure. Only Russia does that because it actually fits their goals.

There have been plenty of cases of Russia hitting apartments and hospitals with precise hits without any military targets in the area.

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ZalutPats@reddit

How is that relevant if the crash occurred there because of Russian defenses? If civilians were not targeted, then they weren't attacked by Ukraine.

And as long as Russia is not held accountable for their thousands of strikes against civilian targets, it is ridiculous to attempt to do so versus Ukraine who are not even the aggressors.

If Russia wants the collateral damage to end, all they have to do is not wage wars of aggression.

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lateavatar@reddit

When Russia stops attacking, raping, bombing, stealing 40,000 children... This all ends tomorrow. All Russia has to do is respect the treaties and boarders that had agreed to.

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4r4nd0mninj4@reddit

If Ukraine sends a drone to attack a military target and Russia shoots it down over the civilian population before it arrives, and it harms civilians, that's Russia's fault for shooting it down over their own population.

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xdozex@reddit

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov condemned the attack as a sign of Ukraine’s hostility

This motherfucker.

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aynhon@reddit

This motherfucker.

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit

May be absolutely wrong on this, but I don't think "bringing the war home" like this is going to lead to the Russian uprising people have been speculating for years.

Ukraine is within its rights to do it, of course, but I think speculation about an uprising or coup is way too premature

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Simple-Dingo6721@reddit

The main roadblock is Putin.

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aynhon@reddit

Becoming more of a speedbump with the news today.

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KevSC721@reddit

I think you're probably right. If there is an uprising this won't likely be a popular one, it may come from within his inner circle or Russian elite. Some oligarchs or generals who are fed up with Putin (and their dwindling bank accounts), or are threatened by him as he gets more and more desperate, could be the ones that plot his downfall. We saw a test run by Prigozihn last year. He just didn't finish the job. "If you come at the king, you best not miss."

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Illustrious-Being339@reddit

Someone from within will overthrow Putin and then turn russia into something similar to north Korea where you have 99.99% of the population treated like slaves. This new leader will abandon attacking foreign neighbors and adopt a foreign policy similar to north Korea's where they talk big but never have a legitimate intent to attack.

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aynhon@reddit

Basically just like Putin.

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Different_Tap_7788@reddit

Russia claims to have successfully intercepted 120% of all the drones.

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IAmMuffin15@reddit

A magical cigarette seems to manifest and detonate the combustibles wherever the intercepted drones were originally going to land

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aynhon@reddit

Ded Moroz putting in work for the motherland during down time.

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EC_CO@reddit

Adopting the Russian Election techniques

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new_to_this_0@reddit

Not good at all

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new_to_this_0@reddit

Ukraine will lose they are currently losing. What they are doing now is expanding this war into a possible war vs nato. If that happens it’s ww3. Ukraine will never ever win they should be talking a peace deal and take it. Russian restraint will only last so long. People in these groups think Russia will lose. It will never happen. I want peace not ww3

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HereticBanana@reddit

Thousands of new NATO borders suggest Russia hasn't won anything.

In 2024, Ukraine has taken more Russian land than Russia has take of Ukraine.

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AffectedRipples@reddit

650,000 Russian casualties over 2.5 years of a "3 day operation" is restraint?

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ZalutPats@reddit

Ukraine will win, they are currently winning by not being defeated in 3 days like Putin's generals predicted. Every day that they don't fall is another victory. Russia is the only one expanding the conflict by refusing to leave. Russia has zero rights to any of the land they are occupying, if they are allowed to keep Any then we send the signal that war is profitable and this will only sow further conflict down the line. WW3 is preferable to that future, but that will not happen either because Russia has Zero reliable allies.

If you want peace gtfo of Ukraine.

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itsadiseaster@reddit

I agree, 144 drones is not good at all. 1440 would be much better.

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iluvios@reddit

For which side? Because the Ukrainians sure like being on equal footing to the Russians

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ANDERSON961596@reddit

It’s not good for civilians in both countries.

Unfortunately that’s the price everyone pays on both sides

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HIVnotAdeathSentence@reddit

I'd say attacks on civilian infrastructure would only get Russians to support the invasion.

Then again, how many civilians have been killed in Ukraine compared to how many have fled the country?

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Illustrious-Being339@reddit

99% of Russians already actively and openly support the war.

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NateStockTrades@reddit

I'm almost certain I resd about Germans becoming pessimistic about the Nazi reign once allied bombers began leveling their cities. They knew they themselves were at wrong.

The Russians today know too, they just can't freely admit it or risk being imprisoned.

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