Apple updates both of its new iPhones with A18 and A18 Pro chips
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dixie02@reddit
Should I upgrade my XR To the 16 pro or wait for the 17?
mailmanjohn@reddit
So unless I drop my 13 pro there doesn’t seem to be a reason to run out and get a new phone.
Think-Technician8888@reddit
Massive trade in amount.
upvotesthenrages@reddit
I've always been amazed at people actually trading in.
You can sell your iPhone online and run off with sooooo much more money than what Apple will offer.
thagrait1@reddit
Not necessarily. Maybe if you bought last years model. iPhone 13 Pro Max can be bought on eBay for under $450. Apple's Verizon deal offers $830 on the trade in. Plus, it's zero interest. Always take advantage of free lending.
Strazdas1@reddit
you can waste your time selling online, dealing with all the scammers and low ballers, etc, or trade in quick and easy. I value my time more.
upvotesthenrages@reddit
Must be a different experience compared to where I am.
It takes me about 4-5 people asking and then I have a buyer. I don't even have to bother going into the store and waiting for them to inspect it or anything.
I sold my 13 Pro Max 512GB for about $700. Apple offers $200-400 depending on the state of the phone.
The guy I sold my phone to came and picked it up 1 day after I listed it. Probably spent about 1 hour total time in the sales process.
I haven't really been bombarded with scammers and people low balling. There's a few low ballers, but it's easy to ignore them once they ask.
I just list the final price and someone comes along and grabs it at that price.
LesbianAkali@reddit
The annoyance of dealing with people is bigger, rather lose money than handling the 3738 messages of "Hey do you accept a bag of candies + my broken bike + my landline phone and 48£?"
upvotesthenrages@reddit
I've never really had any issues with it.
Selling an old sofa? Maybe that's a hassle. An iPhone is pretty cut and dry though.
Strazdas1@reddit
Actually selling an old sofa is where that would be more appropriate because then the buyers do the moving.
Alternative_Ask364@reddit
Countered by the fact that the 17 might actually be a decent upgrade
pattymcfly@reddit
Yes 3 years is the limit for getting good trade in value without having to finance a phone from a carrier. I only buy unlocked so this will probably be my next.
mailmanjohn@reddit
That a good reason!
CyAScott@reddit
For me it would be USB C and Apple intelligence. Siri is finally the overhaul it needed for the past 10 years. I am also over having to have lighting and USB C chargers.
Stingray88@reddit
I haven’t upgraded after only two years since the iPhone 7. It just instead necessary anymore.
ClearlyJacob18@reddit
Apple intelligence is the only reason imo.
BoxCurious7922@reddit
There seems to be a lot of confusion in here, and I am available to answer all of your questions so if you have one, just let me know.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit
Who are you?
Strazdas1@reddit
The question remains unanswered to this day.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit
Daym
AshWilliamsForPrez20@reddit
I’ve got a 12 pro max. I saw the stat the A18 is 60% faster than the A14, so I can only imagine the A18 pro has to have around the same if not better stats. How significant/worth an upgrade is it from A14 to A18 pro?
PM_ME_UR_TOSTADAS@reddit
Hi, maybe you can elaborate why you would be the person to clarify the confusion?
AmusedFlamingo47@reddit
I have a question
BoxCurious7922@reddit
Hey there what’s the question?
AmusedFlamingo47@reddit
Not looking for an answer, I just wanted to let you know I have a question
BoxCurious7922@reddit
lol oh cmon. Ok then.
Method__Man@reddit
so in short, i will notice no difference between this any my current 15 pro max. cool cool
NormanQuacks345@reddit
i mean yeah you shouldn't need to be upgrading your phone every year anyways
reallynotnick@reddit
Yeah phones are at most an upgrade every 3 years item now, but you can easily go for 4-6 years.
Strazdas1@reddit
Upgrade when battery starts failing. An always winning strategy for phones.
Antpitta@reddit
I had an 8 happily until I became reliant upon two ungodly slow and poorly developed apps for something that is key to what I do. So I upgraded to a 13 pro and it was a lot better. I’ll almost certainly upgrade to the 16 just to make those apps run a little better. Yes it is throwing firepower at awful software but I don’t have a choice, I can afford it, and fuck it, it makes my life better and I get a lot of time back if I can reduce input lag and load times.
DylanFallis@reddit
I'm coming on year 8 with my Galaxy S8+, finally making a jump to 16 pro max lol
CJdaELF@reddit
Just like for the past 5+ years, very few flagship phones have noticable differences year over year.
MissionInfluence123@reddit
Maybe just the "cool cool" part
Present_Bill5971@reddit
They got me there for a moment. They said 30% better performance than the 15 and I jumped to thinking the A17 at first, was extremely impressed, then remembered my phone is an expensive chat messenger, then realized they were comparing the A16 to the A18
LandGrantChamps@reddit
As someone who texts, browses the internet, listens to audible/podcasts, and does the daily wordle, I would honestly like to know what people have been doing the last decade with their phones to require these sort of performance gains? Is it all pictures/video? I'm genuinely curious. Can't fathom someone out there running mathematics, Matlab, or running MrBayes.
Intrepid_Werewolf270@reddit
Agreed. I can’t even imagine someone using a phone as a gaming platform either which is something you didn’t mention 😇
Strazdas1@reddit
and yet the biggest revenue in gaming is from mobile games.
HeroYouKey_SawAnon@reddit (OP)
Phones are the primary computer for many people, including many young professionals. The easiest example ofc is Tik Tok creators who literally use a phone for every part of their business. But it's also useful for 3D work with the laser scanner, for AR stuff using the ARkit functions and overlaid 3D models (mostly visualization but still very intense on CPU/GPU), then you have people using the phone as a mobile hotspot for worksites, people using phones as the primary viewing and notetaking device for class, etc.
aminorityofone@reddit
You can get a far cheaper device for hot spotting if that is something you need. Everything else you list is just for casual stuff (nothing wrong with that). No professional relies on their smartphone for any real work and if they do they are not a professional that is worth hiring.
Ictogan@reddit
Companies provide workers with smartphones for plenty of things to do at work. Just yesterday I've seen them used to replace walkie-talkies for communication between airline workers at a gate. I've seen smartphones used as ticket scanners at a festival. VTubers often use iphones for tracking because they still work better for face tracking than a lot of other systems.
A modern phone is a communications device, computer, camera, NFC terminal, etc. all in one relatively affordable device.
And considering the wild range of things that a single modern smartphone can do, they really are not that expensive for companies to buy and often cheaper than specialized equipment.
Strazdas1@reddit
phones for ticket scanning is common occurence in our railway system. Though i doubt that needs latest and greatest CPUs.
HeroYouKey_SawAnon@reddit (OP)
That's a very old school way of defining 'professional' and 'casual'. Everything I stated are things I've seen professionals do. Leaving aside how modern Tik Tok and Youtube creators are literally professionals since it's their main job, a modern professional in any job ends up needing to do a lot of one-off or infrequent 'real work' tasks they don't get allocated dedicated hardware for by leaning heavily on modern phone functions. A dude at a conference hall with shitty WiFi using a phone hotspot to shoot off reports to his boss is doing real pro work. As is a landlord showing off what various common furniture types might look like when showing AR apps to potential tenants in an empty unit.
Dr_CSS@reddit
All good points until the last one, landlords don't work
Brapplezz@reddit
Literally irrelevant. I'll add this though. If a landlord is actually showing it to someone, they're doing the work of a real estate agent for themselves. So they're cutting out arguably the biggest leech of them all, i respect that
noiserr@reddit
You'd be surprised how many digital nomads are out there who do exactly this.
gioseba@reddit
I bet they don't even wear suits, so unprofessional.
yobarisushcatel@reddit
A professional could still be an amateur, I know of a lot of artists who get commissioned work that literally draw on their iPhone with a certain app or with TikTok, make marketing videos or whatnot all on their phone
It’s a skill, I envy them, I need a bigger screen
onewiththeabyss@reddit
Even with all that it will still be overkill, so much performance left over.
HeroYouKey_SawAnon@reddit (OP)
Much less performance than you'd expect from benchmarks. The A12 in the iPhone XR/XS was called overkill insane for years after launch and in 2024 we have massive numbers of owners upgrading or already upgraded due to performance limitations and I'm not talking just battery life.
Stingray88@reddit
My 11 Pro was a monster when I got it. But after 4 years when the 15 Pro came out it was showing its age… finally upgraded.
Stingray88@reddit
Based on the “race to idle” concept, better performance can lead to better battery life.
Own_Mix_3755@reddit
Better performance usually translates to either making hard things faster or easy things more effectively (thus costing less battery potentially). So even if you do the same things like Messenger, it should take less energy to get same job done.
Millennialcel@reddit
One thing I do know where the iPhone fails is IRL livestreaming. All the solo IRL streamers that do it on their cellphone use Samsung S-series (Ultras if they can afford it). The perception is that iphones have a persistent overheating issue which is an absolute deal-breaker for livestreamers. Also the software isn't quite as good but I think that's more of an issue that the hardware isn't good enough so not enough people to use it.
Ar0ndight@reddit
With mobiles a big part of battery life is getting back to idle as fast as possible, so the faster the CPU the better.
Then there's the idea of these smartphones being used as PC or even primary gaming devices like in Asia, and raw performance will obviously be felt there.
And finally you never know what the future will be made of. What if there's a revolutionary new way to use your smartphone developed tomorrow but it requires strong computing? Having more power than needed is always a good thing, especially when you don't sacrifice much for it (clearly these chips are very efficient so this isn't a case of battery life being sacrificed for useless benchmark points)
Also, that's not related to the users but with Apple now being the leader in P-core performance of consumer CPUs, it's clear their work on the mobile side was very important, and if they instead went with "no user needs that much power" back when they were developing the A10+, the M family might either not be a thing or be a shadow of its current iteration.
stevenseven2@reddit
That's only true if the power usage compared to clock speeds are linear. Which they usually aren't. You can usually get something like 30% less power usage with just a 10% reduced clock speed. So getting to idle 10% slower makes for les power usage, if you use 30% less power either way.
Faster is not always better, if it means a ton of extra power usage. And these smartphone makers are well aware of that. They just have no icentive to care THAT MUCH about battery life, as better battery life means longer times between upgrades for a consumer.
It's the same thing with software updates. Despite amazing performance on todays smartphones, usually a phone is more buggy and feels slower when it recieves its software updates 3-4 years into its life cycle. That's mostly because the software support is half-assed at that point. The incentive to provide quality support on an older device that doesn't rake in that much money is simply not there...
Nobody said not to give a damn about performance. But to prioritize battery life more than has been done today. In some cases these phone makers clearly prioritize 5-10% more performance vs. the substantial power consumption improvement from not getting that. And we know that for a fact by looking at Android devices, where we've seen the exact same Cortex core run at different clock speeds at different clusters.
iindigo@reddit
I think half of the appeal of more power is trying to stay ahead of the curve with the ever-increasing weight of apps, driven by bloated cross platform codebases, mountains of adtech junk, unskilled dev talent, etc.
Of course this can be mitigated by a significant degree by opting for apps written by small devs, but few can resist the siren’s song of things like huge social media apps.
YNWA_1213@reddit
Yeah, pretty much this for me. It’s a constant battle between upgrading the phone but essentially doing the same tasks faster than before. Haven’t really changed up my usage from my 8 Plus -> 13, yet I’m already feeling an itch to upgrade as Reddit et al. become more and more bloated.
Old-Improvement-2963@reddit
I’ve got the same chip in my phone and it runs identical to the day I bought it 2 years ago.
I don’t think there’s a single app that should come close to taxing any modern Apple chip.
Qsand0@reddit
Tf?!
Old-Improvement-2963@reddit
https://browser.geekbench.com/mobile-benchmarks
BigBlackChocobo@reddit
It's a design difference.
Android/Qualcomm gives you a lot of cores so excells in multi-threading.
Apple gives you fewer but bigger cores and excells in single thread.
Apple wins Geekbench single core.
Android/Qualcomm wins Geekbench multi core.
The differences between them aren't very large in terms of perf for either single core or multi-core and should be down to your preference of camera/screen/size/OS.
iindigo@reddit
If you really want to be shocked look at the SoCs that get put into most Android TV boxes/dongles and low end (<$300) Android tablets.
It’s particularly extreme on the TV dongles, because those are built with SoCs that were slow even 10 years ago. The situation on cheap tablets is barely any better… I have a one that was $300ish a couple years ago and it can’t even play most OS animations without stuttering.
As for why that matters, it limits the usefulness of these devices es dramatically. The dongles are so weak that they’re incapable of playing video that they doesn’t have hardware acceleration for and the tablets struggle with anything that’s not YouTube or e-books, with even light web browsing posing a challenge. These things will end up in landfills long before more powerful models will.
There’s not really a good excuse for it.
g-nice4liief@reddit
If i'm correct, does the snapdragen 8 gen 3 outperform the a15, but it depends (on both soc) which versions you take. I think they are more on par with eachother than one outperfoming the other.
Iaghlim@reddit
Also, a 2 years old iPhone is still "new", we should not consider a two years hardware as something old or outdated
I many countries, the 13 is what most people can buy nowadays ($)
Old-Improvement-2963@reddit
Technically 3 years old, but yes.
anotherbluemarlin@reddit
Sure, but how many apps do people actually use most days ?
iindigo@reddit
That answer is going to be different for everybody, but scrolling through my phone’s process manager I see at least 20 (including a few stock apps) that I used just yesterday.
Web apps should count too, because those things are also heavy as hell and chew through memory like candy. I tend to steer clear of those though because they’re often glitchy and only work 100% correctly under Chrome because web devs can’t be arsed to test their work in other browsers.
broknbottle@reddit
But but the framework I used said code once target every platform!
Classic-Study7112@reddit
Pretty much all of those things are faster and smoother and just nicer with a more powerful phone. Browsing the internet isn't a basic task these days, modern websites can be incredibly resource intensive.
MissionInfluence123@reddit
Apps have become more and more demanding (not to mention bloated) including messaging apps. Those don't need A18 (or even A15) performance right now but down the road, on 2028 and later, as more and more crap developers add, stuttering or longer loading times will begin to be noticeable.
A faster soc provides a better experience for more years.
g-nice4liief@reddit
Most apps we use nowadays are web based. I think we're accustomed to downloading and installing apps while 90% of all apps we use nowadays (especially social/media) is already in the right format we need.
DanzakFromEurope@reddit
I would say just being ahead of any potential bottlenecks in coming years. AND computational photography and mainly videography is really resource intensive.
Vb_33@reddit
Video games like Fortnite, PUBG and Genshin Impact. Emulation also benefits greatly from Beasty CPUs.
Psy-Demon@reddit
Brand new chips are more energy efficient than old chips from 2015. So more battery life and performance.
kony412@reddit
idk, I just recently jumped my 7 year phone (and still on Android 9) but only because the battery was so garbage that I had to charge it twice a day. Otherwise specs were fine for all the chatting/banking/emailing/GPS and even internet browsing I've ever did. It was just not worthwhile to replace the battery at this point though. I expect my new phone to last at least just as much. Fortunately, the European Union forces phone makers to have user replaceable batteries since 2027, so maybe my next phone will last even more.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/eu-smartphones-must-have-user-replaceable-batteries-by-2027
lorez77@reddit
I mean, Pianoteq 8, the whole desktop experiencez runs on an iOS device. It's no small feat to completely model a piano.
One-Butterscotch4332@reddit
Tbh I think part of it is that as more compute becomes commonplace, devs will naturally think of ways to take advantage of it. Maybe your texting app now has AI features to help you compose messages. More likely, now it can collect and transmit more data back home, or show you more interactive ads, etc. After all, an iPhone 4 could text, email, and browse the web, but if you tried to run the current versions of imessage, apple mail, and Safari, it would be a horrible experience.
DollarBreadEater@reddit
Gaming is the main thing that people might actually need the increased power for.
Most people, of course, have no need for increased power.
UnfairDecision@reddit
This one seems pretty obvious to me... There are some really demanding games for cellular. Check the gaming accessories available
dagmx@reddit
Photogrammetry, photo and video editing, gaming (especially now with AAA console games and emulation) are all stuff I do regularly that benefit from higher performing SoCs.
Beyond that, the chips are more efficient so even if you don’t use the higher performance, you get better battery life.
BoxCurious7922@reddit
If you’re aged 15 to 50 you would likely play some form of gaming. I’ve jumped on the mobile bandwagon for gaming. I don’t use a TV for that anymore. And if you seen the graphics on some of these games on the phone, it’s remarkable. So, as somebody else said, it’s awesome to hear about the new GPU power and retracing capabilities. I’m also a tech head. Hearing about the advancement in chipsets, and knowing that I will be an owner of the most powerful advanced phone in the world, feels good to me. You don’t know what the future will bring, but we’re at artificial intelligence type level, so having the most powerful device which you know is prepared for whatever crazy stuff comes down the road…is something to behold
usedUpSpace4Good@reddit
Everything is the same, but it just keeps getting snappier and snappier. Like you type something and opening apps and getting to a map location or loading a picture or video is getting close to instantaneous. These little imperceptible improvements over time add up and will feel almost like magic.
DigSignificant5453@reddit
How much is the gain in performance from 6s to 15 pro max? I just upgraded.
Millennialcel@reddit
I'd guess 3x to 4x faster. It's twice as fast as iPhone 10
314kabinet@reddit
There is no A17. iPhone 15: A16 iPhone 15 Pro: A17 Pro iPhone 16: A18 iPhone 16 Pro: A18 Pro
Quatro_Leches@reddit
i dont really understand why phone performance numbers matter, I own a cheap motorola phone with a low end dimensity chips and its synthetic benches that are less than a quarter of my iphone, yet the browsing speed, media playback etc, is all identical, I have zero issues with either.
this stuff is beyond overkill and is not noticeable at all for 99.99% of people.
upvotesthenrages@reddit
There are so many examples where that simply isn't true.
Gaming, for example, is a very power hungry segment and mobile phones make up the largest portion of gaming on the planet.
Things like AR also require quite a bit of compute. Video editing those 4K videos also requires quite a bit of compute.
We're now moving into the era where minor "AI" tasks will start happening locally on phones as well.
Then we have all the bloated crappy apps that simply aren't built well enough to run on old processors.
Antpitta@reddit
I fully agree, but I also have two apps that I use extensively and honestly rely upon for parts of what I do that are horrible bodges of toolkit upon toolkit upon legacy shit and run like molasses. I basically keep upgrading my iphone only to reduce my frustration with those two apps. Sadly there’s not much hope of them getting ground up rebuilds in the forseeable future so my options are to bang my head against the wall or throw firepower at it. C’est la vie.
Meanwhile my laptops last 10 years or longer.
aminorityofone@reddit
So why are you using it, and not get something cheaper?
OwlProper1145@reddit
Guessing the A18 will be about as fast as the A17 Pro.
AdMore3859@reddit
CPU should be faster and the 5 core A18 GPU should also be faster than the A17 Pro's by like 15-20% if the slideshows are to be believed.
Famous_Wolverine3203@reddit
5 core A18 should be similar to A17 pro. Since A18 has one lesser core compared to A17 pro with 6 cores.
xCAI501@reddit
A "lesser" core would be an inferior core. Do you mean one fewer?
AdMore3859@reddit
I'm just going off the slide that said the A18 GPU(regular A18) was 40% faster than the A16 GPU, which would in turn, mean that its 20% faster than the A17 Pro's 6 core GPU as the A17 Pro GPU is 20% faster than the A16 GPU
MissionInfluence123@reddit
Yes but if the "20% better sustained performance" is true, the 16 would run games better than the 15 pro.
sittingmongoose@reddit
A18 and a18 pro share the same cpu. The pro has more cache for the cpu and likely a higher clock but they didn’t specify. They just said the cpu was faster. So both the a18 and a18 pro will have a faster cpu than the a17 pro.
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
But later on the website for CPU perf, Apple alleged this:
The A18 Pro is 60% faster than the A14.
The A18 is 60% faster than the A14.
So the A18 Pro & A18 have the same CPU perf? Maybe some sandbagging on the A18 Pro or the A18 Pro > A18 gains are only in certain workflows.
We'll find out in two weeks at most.
Edenz_@reddit
Yeah they talked about more cache in the A18P vs A18 which is an interesting distinction for Apple to make, probably means more SLC. I doubt they're changing the L2 capacity.
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
That is fair. And more cache makes me think A18 is a different die...a rebadged A17 Pro, though minus one GPU core?
LeptinGhrelin@reddit
Higher memory bandwidth
reallynotnick@reddit
Both A18 chips have the same memory bandwidth (the A16 and A17 Pro had the same bandwidth and both chips claim the same % increase)
Due-Stretch-520@reddit
they have the same cpu complex so i think they have the same cpu perf yeah. the pro has more gpu cores and some other goodies tho
Matthmaroo@reddit
About 15% but even that isn’t noticeable
TheKelz@reddit
Will be for those who keep their phones for years to come. The extra performance will show with future iOS updates
jkmapping@reddit
Gonna stick with my S23 Ultra. Don't see the need to downgrade to something vastly inferior, yet somehow newer. I never understood Apple products. They seem to be for people without a clue about technology or ability to critically think.
One-Butterscotch4332@reddit
Wow, you're so smart, I have an s21 ultra. Can we make this a competition of who has the older device until someone with a windows phone says they won't switch?
KiefStarmer@reddit
I have a Lumia 620 that won’t take a SIM card because the pins are all bent if that counts??
KiefStarmer@reddit
you lot are so annoying
max1001@reddit
I don't like Apple products but their hardware is top notch. I hate their OS.
Reed82@reddit
As someone who has dabbled in both worlds, I can say for certain that the advance hardware is definitely in the Samsung.
However, the reliability and polished end product/user experience is with Apple.
Electricpants@reddit
Walled gardens be like that.
Kionera@reddit
Perhaps you need to take a look at the mirror?
TheKelz@reddit
And how exactly is it a downgrade? Because it has less RAM? Don’t bring specs on paper, bring actual real world differences.
Begoru@reddit
A-series chips ran circles around Qualcomm chips for close to a decade.
r/android was massively jealous of the iPhone 6S’s performance numbers, I was one of them.
Valdiolus@reddit
They said thet it was "built for AI" - but Neural engine is the same - 35 TOPS.
Slightly faster RAM (+17%), which is good for ML, but that's all.
frownGuy12@reddit
The A18 design was probably finalized before the whole AI craze. Higher memory bandwidth is a welcome change though, it the main bottleneck for LLMs on Apple’s hardware right now.
theQuandary@reddit
With 24mb of SLC, I'd bet that having 6gb of RAM on non-pro models is a way bigger bottleneck for LLMs than memory bandwidth as you wind up having to page data to the SSD.
We see this with the next iPhone supposedly having 12GB of RAM.
frownGuy12@reddit
Depends on your model size, memory bandwidth is the bottle neck assuming your model fits in RAM.
8GB is enough for 4bit llama 3.1 8B which is a decently capable model. Tokens/s for that type of model is bandwidth limited.
theQuandary@reddit
Doesn't Llama recommend 16gb for the 8B model? How much does a 4-bit version use and how much RAM does that leave for the rest of the OS and whatever app(s) are running the AI?
frownGuy12@reddit
The full model takes 16GB at 16bit. 4bit only takes 4GB so that would leave another 4GB for the system.
Sweet-Egg-3355@reddit
Marketing has no shame. I still laugh at their CPU performance chart scaling from a few years ago.
This_Worldliness4355@reddit
They say during the event at 46:14 "This CPU is faster than all the competition, challenging even high-end desktop PCs." Someone gotta fact check this stuff. There is no way in hell this can touch the 7800X3D or i9-14900K. They gotta stop these lies.
StarbeamII@reddit
M4 already beats 14900K in single-threaded performance.
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
Only in Geekbench though, which is worthless.
Edenz_@reddit
Why is it worthless?
5YNT4X_ERR0R@reddit
Geekbench outputs a score that is a weighted average of a whole variety of workloads, so it's far from worthless, and in a sense I'd say it's a better approximation of average real world [peak] performance across all possible workloads when compared to Cinebench, which tests mostly one workload.
That said, the "weighted average" part is unclear to me. I haven't looked into how Primatelabs obtained the weighted average, but in order for geekbench to be representative of average real world loads, the weighted average should reflect the statistical proportions of such loads. I'm sure they ran experiments on that and it's somewhere buried in the geekbench white paper.
Famous_Wolverine3203@reddit
The current fastest CPU in Cinebench 2024 is the old M3 which scores a 140 points.
The A17 pro is clocked 200Mhz lower. The A18 pro is 15% faster than the A17 pro. Which makes the claim of fastest CPU core true.
TwelveSilverSwords@reddit
It would be faster in Cinebench too. But Cinebench can't be run on iPadOS unfortunately.
BoxCurious7922@reddit
No, you heard it wrong. He said that it will be the fastest CPU in any mobile phone. Which is still huge it’s basically saying it leaves flagship phones like Samsung galaxy in the dust…
One-Butterscotch4332@reddit
Sure, but it's not new. A series have been the fastest mobile soc at launch for like a decade. They don't really leave Qualcomm's best in the dust either.
BoxCurious7922@reddit
Up until recently the A-series chip has absolutely destroyed QUALCOMM.. but it’s becoming much closer now. My response was just letting him know that he they weren’t talking about the best CPU in comparison to CPUs like certain i9 processors in gaming desktops. He did say that it’s fastest processor in any mobile device.
dagmx@reddit
For single threaded stuff, it’s using similar cores to the M4 which is the single threaded champ right now.
So it won’t outperform in multi core, but given most tasks on mobile are limited in thread count, it could definitely take on a desktop for some tasks
AdeptFelix@reddit
It's pretty typical of Apple to give performance metrics lacking context. Usually with M series chips they'll qualify it with something like "performance per watt" so I figure this is more of that. Pretty sleazy to not even give any qualifications to their claim.
i_max2k2@reddit
I think when they talk like that are talking about very specific benchmarks in which the phone might outpace a desktop, which could also have specific constraints, like slower ram/ hard drive etc. I’m sure if you paired it up to the best case scenario it would be beaten by the desktop equivalent.
CalmSpinach2140@reddit
It can challenge in single threaded tasks.
OwlProper1145@reddit
I imagine they are talking about single threaded performance.
FragmentedChicken@reddit
It might be able to challenge high-end desktop PCs, but they didn't say it would win.
Different_Speech_333@reddit
Things you won't notice right now for day to day tasks and once this phone is slammed with AI updates that 8gb of RAM will probably bottleneck it. Phone makers need to upgrade phone storage to 256gb standard because 128gb with 20+GB used by the OS is ridiculous. Imo it's them pushing you to make up that price difference to jump to more storage by paying for cloud storage, Apple, Google, and many other Android devices alike. Removing SD card support is ridiculous especially when it can be used in the underside of the SIM card slot, but wait, apple removed that for the US and it's still limited to USB 2 which is absolutely inexcusable especially when apple invented USB c which ushered in mass use of USB 3.0+ for mobile devices. The overpricing of their products and penny pinching on certain features still screams massive greed. Oh and still 60HZ refresh rate on a premium phone. Nice.
TruthInnocent@reddit
Probably to appeal to the Italian market, cause 17 is unlucky in Italy.
Intelligent_Top_328@reddit
They need to stop with these yearly cycles. Make every other year.
Stingray88@reddit
Yearly refreshes in the product lineup is not overly frequent at all. Not everyone is on the same refresh schedule. It doesn’t matter if people with 1-2 year old phones don’t think this model is enough of an upgrade, they can just buy the new one next year. But the people who are ready to buy this year, they don’t want to buy a year old phone… they want a new one.
okoroezenwa@reddit
You’d think this would be easy to understand but ostensibly intelligent people keep showing up on these kinds of forums to make foolish comments like that about the 1-year cycle.
Stingray88@reddit
Right? People don’t buy new cars every year. Most people go well over a decade before buying another car. But we still need new car models every single year to be available for the folks whose time for a new car has arrived.
Fixitwithducttape42@reddit
I’d settle for them solving overheating issues. My SE 2 will overheat using a video chat on the lowest brightness. Gaming isn’t so great with the same heat issues.
No point in having a powerful phone if it can’t be utilized.
gelade1@reddit
what makes you think your se2 performs the same as newer iphones?
BoxCurious7922@reddit
If you listened to the whole thing, you’ll see that they changed the inside of the phone and also added a graphite sheet to reduce the thermal output by up to 20%. Which is great.
pattymcfly@reddit
They did specifically talk about thermal management when covering the pro.
anethma@reddit
They harped on improve thermal handling quite a few times so I’d guess they will. Not for an SE mind you.
iindigo@reddit
That sounds to me like a case of the video chat app in question using some video codec that isn’t hardware accelerated, which means the CPU is working overtime on both encoding and decoding.
I’ve seen similar things on computers where Chrome for example will force the usage of an unaccelerated codec when using Google Meet, wnd to avoid making your laptop’s fans sound like a jet engine you need to open Meet in some browser that forces a more common and well-accelerated codec like h.264.