Utilities are so expensive!
Posted by RN_4_Life1719@reddit | plano | View on Reddit | 85 comments
Good morning, everyone. My family a d I moved to Plano, TX in January of this year. The house we are in is about 1,000 sq ft larger than the one we lived in VA, and the total cost of our utilities were about $500/mos. I’ve been shocked at how expensive the utilities have been in Plano, especially the electricity. Our bill this month was $473 dollars, and it has been consistent greater than $300 since we moved in. I’m wondering if this is normal for Plano? We have a two unit HVAC system and we keep thermostat at 74-76 degrees. Is it normally to pay this much for electricity?
royalooozooo@reddit
You have 2 HVACs or a dual zone? Because if you have 2 units, that will do it.
Realistic-Pay-6931@reddit
74 to 76... you haven't become acclimated to Texas heat yet. Almost 50yr Texas residency and my home, even when occupied, is at 79-80 inside during the day and then I'll drop it to 76 just for sleep.
Some things to consider:
As others said, shop electric companies and lock in a good rate
House - make sure you have good double (or triple) pane windows, attic insulation or a roof vent, insulation around windows & doors.
Ceiling fans - Make sure they are spinning the correct directions. Summer = counterclockwise to help circulate the cool ac air. Winter = clockwise rotation on the lowest speed setting helps push hot air towards the ground, maintaining the warmth in your home. The hvac unit must be running for a ceiling fan to be any use so no need to run them if you aren't in that specific room. Tower fans also help if you don't want to add ceiling fans to each room.
Yard - tree cover?
Flooring - tile vs carpet. Tile being cooler in the summer.
Window treatments. Windows are an opportunity for heat to come through and ac to escape. If you have multiple windows - keep some covered with a good thermal heat blocking window covering. My bedroom window stays permanent covered in the summer months.
And of course the number in your household, their activity level, bmi, choice of clothing and bed covers all play a part in your temp comfort levels too. As does how much you cook with the oven in the summer.
And when you think 50 degrees is cold... congrats... you're acclimated to Texas now and not the north. :-)
Welcome to Plano
Jedi71@reddit
Just because I'm a native Texan doesn't mean I like it hot in my home. I keep it at 72 day and night. I'll pay the bill come what may.
Realistic-Pay-6931@reddit
That's fine, but you were the OP complaining about their bill.
Jedi71@reddit
Since we were throwing out what temp we keep the house at I threw mine out too.
OutOfTheVault@reddit
What do you do, sit around in your underwear at those temps and hold an icepack on your head? Sweating inside my home is definitely not for me - and I've never lived anywhere but Texas.
Realistic-Pay-6931@reddit
Not at all. Single story, tile floors, ceiling fans, quality windows, window coverings, and good insulation all keep my house cool. Also don't have many warm lil bodies running around, the door opening and closing all day, and a multitude of electronics heating up the house as others may.
OutOfTheVault@reddit
I have all of those energy saving things....but in the temps you describe...I would just be lying around instead of working inside my home. I have not noticed the tile helping more, it just feels like concrete to walk on. We have two stoves - one in the garage for use during the summer and holidays. AND - we have two Frigidaire portable room dehumidifiers, one large and one small. Ok, so I live in HOUSTON, the SWEAT CAPITAL of Texas. By sucking the humidity out of the house I can run the AC at a slightly higher temp, but not the dry sauna temps you're talking about. I don't have the metabolism of a Gila monster, for God's sake!
Less_Professional896@reddit
The insanity,, right?
Background_Kale_2958@reddit
Yep. And that’s not bad
bigbot32@reddit
Don’t know if this is allowed but I use an energy company or service the finds like lowest kWh for your area and negotiates the rate as low as possible and they do that as long as your with them. Catch is they charge 20 a month +tax for their service but since I’ve had them 4 years the most I’ve paid has been 225 and that was snowmageddon when my electric heater was going 24/7. If your interested they are referral based if you want to try them here is my link. evergreen
muthaflicka@reddit
You have to shop around for best rates here. We halved our bill when we switched to another provider.
london9387@reddit
Who do you use?
foraggiereddit@reddit
Go to powertochoose.com. It’s a government website that shows all the cheapest rates at every kWh usage
muthaflicka@reddit
TXU —> Clean Sky. They had a new customer price for a year, went up slightly this year but still better than the other ones when I did my research especially for contracts > 1 year.
ameyabee@reddit
I have txu currently and i paid 185 dollars for 601 sq ft apartment built in 1985. Why so much ?
muthaflicka@reddit
I meant i switched from TXU to Clean Sky
Cloudy_Automation@reddit
The other possibility is that your A/C units are old and inefficient. Many of the houses were built in the 70s-90s, and their A/C have been repaired instead of replaced when required. The minimum SEER is now 15, while the original units were probably 10-12 at best, and you can get as high as around 25. Whether this has a good economic payback is doubtful, but you can get better dehumidification and comfort. There are also good cold temperature heat pumps with Federal income tax rebates available.
My first summer in Texas, I had a $450 bill. I was on a Reliant month-to-month plan (very expensive), one A/C I upgraded after moving in, as the old unit wasn't working, and I wasn't going to throw good money into an old unit. I got a cheaper electrical plan. I also had an old, inefficient pool pump. I replaced the second unit a couple years later, and got a more efficient pool pump. My highest bill this year was $240. The insulation is still inadequate, and more air sealing would help get this a little lower. The windows are also inefficient, but until more of them are foggy, I'm holding off on them, as there's a limit to the return.
Ideally, the first step is to sign a contract for a cheaper electric plan. Stay away from the gimmick "free nights and/or weekends". Next is to air-seal the house and add insulation if needed. Then, you may be able to get smaller A/C units, since there is a lower heating and cooling load, if the HVAC runs an honest Manual J calculation, instead of replacing capacity. A heat pump might force a bigger unit than A/C alone. This might also drive the need for a variable speed A/C, to prevent short-cycling of the equipment in Spring and Fall, as the A/C will be oversized. Once everything has been done, you can consider Solar, but the way the rates are set, Texas doesn't have compelling rates to make solar have a very short payback.
FelixMumuHex@reddit
Texas is hotter than Virginia, and your house is larger than your previous home in Virginia
friendlysoviet@reddit
Despite that, electricity is still cheaper in Texas than it is in Virginia. We just use a lot more electricity to make our homes comfortable.
WhatsYourExtra@reddit
Welcome to Texas! It's hilarious how many out of staters move here and are shocked about the heat, politics, and driving. Please don't vote blue, and speed up or get out of the fast lanes!
wbd3434@reddit
Peak Reddit is downvoting someone who is spot-on 🤣
WhatsYourExtra@reddit
I'm here for it! Blue virus at its best. They all move here and want to change it to their way of living. A 5 minute look in the mirror will tell them why the first thing to change should be themselves.
wbd3434@reddit
It's just the plaster white house, black roof, turf yard, Tesla Model-Y people.
WhatsYourExtra@reddit
Hammer and nail friend.
Dangerous_Prune5661@reddit
This is not normal. You are probably in a wrong plan. Lot of marketing traps when it comes to electricity plans in Texas. It could be confusing for a newcomer. But I understand, when you are moving from out-of-state you don't have time to do all the research.
I have been helping people choose the right one based on their needs. Ping me and I can help you.
GetBent214@reddit
powertochoose.org
FabulousBullfrog9610@reddit
everyone thinks texas is cheaper because there is no state income tax. i also moved from VA to Plano only for family reasons. Insurance, property tax, sales tax, and utilities are just a few of the ways it costs more to live here.
also no one enforces building codes, so you'll pay when your house needs expensive repairs.
bzbeer@reddit
Bill amount means nothing. What is your consumption and what is your electric plan? Texas has multiple power suppliers and KWH rate could be anywhere between 13¢ and 30¢. So look up your electric bill and if you are paying more than 13¢ per unit switch to a different provider.
Visit https://www.powertochoose.org/
Use only that site, most others are for profit sites and can take you for a ride
thetruckboy@reddit
Too much to unpack here, but I'll try. Homes are better insulated up north than down here, especially if your home was built before the late 90's when people actually started caring about insulation.
It is more efficient per BTU to heat a home than cool it down. The radiant heat and the humidity soaks through every building material and heats everything up. We're constantly paying for conditioned air to keep it comfortable.
On a personal note, I have known people in my past who lived in Virginia without an AC unit. Sure there are a couple hot days here and there where they might've wanted one, but they survived just fine with some fans. Down here In Texas, you will be absolutely miserable without an AC unit. Some fragile people would even pass away from the heat.
When you compare price per kw, I'm willing to bet Tx energy is a little cheaper than VA. If not, shop around and get a lower rate. That's the beauty of our deregulated, independent energy grid here, freedom of choice.
Also, get some recommendations for better attic insulation and get your AC systems serviced twice per year with preventative maintenance.
Upbeat-Natural-7120@reddit
That's too high. Are you using a cheap provider?
Empty_Sky_1899@reddit
Without more information about square footage, pool or not , WFH or not it’s impossible to say that’s too high.
Upbeat-Natural-7120@reddit
Oops, I read the post wrong. I thought they said it's about 1000 sqft.
Empty_Sky_1899@reddit
If you ran your AC at 74-76 during the August heat wave then your bill is in line. We kept ours at 78/79 during the day and 77 (normally have it at 76 with normal conditions) at night in a 3200 sf house with two units and ours was $230. Turning the thermostat up to 78 during the day will save you a ton of money.
Internal_Rain_8006@reddit
Consider yourself lucky mine's about 3,000 ft² in an averages between 6 and $800 for July and August every year but we like it comfortable and we keep it at 68.
strog91@reddit
Yeah that’s not unusual for the summer. Plant some trees on the south side of your house if you want to reduce how much A/C you use.
Also, something to look forward to: you can save a lot of money by turning off your A/C and opening your windows in the spring and in the fall.
OutOfTheVault@reddit
Don't you mean plant trees on the west side of the house??
strog91@reddit
That would be ideal if we lived on the equator, but we live 32 degrees north from the equator, and thus the sun will always be shining on the southern side of your house, from sunrise until sunset.
Of course planting trees on any side of your house helps, but planting trees on the southern side of your house helps the most.
unexpected@reddit
You are reporting your bills in terms of total spend per month, but this is not that useful. Look at your bill and tell us:
How many kwh you are actually using per month
The exact square footage of your house ("our house is 1000 sq. feet larger than Virginia is not helpful)
The exact rate per kwh you are paying, as per your bill.
With the above information, we can better help you figure out how to lower your electric bill.
spikelike@reddit
Not to mention the age and condition of the home. Mine is mid 90s, i know I need new insulation and/or windows
OutOfTheVault@reddit
and how many times a day family members go in and out of the house.
DaddyDontTakeNoMess@reddit
"My car is more expensive than my last one. Why is it so expensive? How much are you guys paying for yours? I want to see if mine is overpriced?" BTW, my car is a different model than last time. The model and features of my car or yours aren't really important to the evaluation.
I kid, but it's suprising how so many people don't give any info when there are a ton of electricity companies, each with different pricing options. I pay about 13cents, but some are paying close to twice as much because they aren't aware enough to shop around.
bionica@reddit
I see this happening to a lot of people from out of state. Some aren’t familiar with the fact that in Texas you have the right to choose between energy companies. So they go straight to TXU when they could be shopping for rates. I live in Louisiana for a few years and in LA there is one company and that’s it.
eventualist@reddit
Not all Texans. Some are in Coop like us and we have, one provider. No options.
undeniablykostas@reddit
A lot of people are impatient in general and won't take the time to save money or shop the rates. It's a totally mind-blowing process that people move here and don't do any homework. I completely agree.
hyrmes165@reddit
Moving from a different state is totally overwhelming. We moved here from out of state with a 3 month old and toddler. Figuring everything out, buying a house, moving etc was so much that we didn’t have the time to figure out and understand the electricity situation here in Texas. Where we are from, we had one company and that’s it. As time passed, we understood it and did our homework to shop around.
Just to say that it’s not necessarily that people don’t take the time to save money, but that they are overwhelmed with all the hundreds of tasks that moving from out of state take, and even more so with children.
undeniablykostas@reddit
You had time to buy a house but not choose your electric rate?
DaddyDontTakeNoMess@reddit
I can respect that. But I don't understand how so many don't think to examine what their usage or rate is or pricing when asking others to diagnose their bill. I get it, moving is super hard, and you may overlook examining things. But that should be the first thing you do once you're not happy with your bill, especially if you're not a first time homebuyer.
friendlysoviet@reddit
As someone who is in the electric industry, you would be surprised who stupid the average consumer is. It is not uncommon to hear a customer say the a sentence like "I keep the thermostat the same temperature, why would my bill go up in August?"
Some people just don't understand basic physics, like why cooling a larger space in a warmer area would need more energy.
heinzenfeinzen@reddit
1 and 3 are the only ones that matter
Sq footage of the house is irrelevant. Sure you can expect to spend more for electricity overall in a 4000 sq ft house than a 2000 sq ft house but it's not linear and i'd venture to say there's no real comparison because the number of factors for comparison are too many. how insulated is one house vs. another? does one have a wall of west facing windows? thermostat temp? SEER of a/c units? etc
gr-eightApe@reddit
For that temperature range it is.
rhf928@reddit
My home is 1600 Sq foot, I pay 87 $ monthly to the city for utilities. That number should stay relatively stable plus or minus a few dollars, at least mine has. My electricity on the other hand in summer is about 200$ with energy efficient windows. I keep thermostat at 78 after 9 am until around 5 where it’s 74. Then overnight it’s at 70.
DadDong69@reddit
I'm at 4700kwh this month which is around my yearly max so my bill is looking at $700+ - The summer months are always brutal.
The energy prices and associated delivery charges have skyrocketed in the last couple of years because of the change in weather and the yearly disaster freezes now. My last plan was for like 4 years in term that I think I signed up for during COVID. I was at like 9 to 11 cents a KWH and delivery charges were low. My max bills were around 4-500 several years ago and during the winter months I was able to get it down to like 150.
Now I have 4-500 dollars of usage in the summer, and this bill my TDU delivery charges and taxes were 260. My homeowners insurance company is pulling out of Texas, forcing me to reshop and basically add 2k on to my insurance.
I'm leaving Texas in a few years and I've lived here all my life.
Floydada79235@reddit
It’s hot here.
Furrealyo@reddit
Texas used to be LCOL. Now it’s not. Wait until you get your property tax bill. 💸
sran469@reddit
Or property insurance bill if you are a homeowner.
Artistic-Soft4305@reddit
My equity has surpassed mytax, insurance, and maintenance costs in Plano over the last 5 years…..by close to 200,000 USD….
Affectionate_Sir6878@reddit
473 a month??? That is a lot! I have a 700 sqft 1b1b apartment and I think l paid 80 for August.
Upbeat-Natural-7120@reddit
Why are people downvoting? I'm not shocked by this. You probably use common sense and don't run your unit all day.
dallasdude@reddit
Yes electric rates doubled since 2022
If it is 95+ out and your AC is 74-76 you’ll have big bills with two systems especially if you have old windows
ccapk@reddit
The time of year you sign up changes the rates drastically. Locking in to a plan in February (immediately after the winter storm) will be much lower than signing a contract during spring/summer/fall.
Realistic-Pay-6931@reddit
Not true. Green Mtn customer and I'm paying .11 to .13 per kwh since 2007.
friendlysoviet@reddit
You were being swindled for a good decade.
Realistic-Pay-6931@reddit
No I'm not... I use a low about of kwh's. My rates were higher with TXU.
friendlysoviet@reddit
Both TXU and GME were charging double the market rate during that time, that is correct
Realistic-Pay-6931@reddit
TXU maybe, but not the plan I'm on with GME. I see how you are coming to that conclusion because when I look at Powertochoose.org, TXU and GME both show .18 -.19 per kwh for 500-999 usage, but I'm only paying .13 and it drops to .11 when I'm over 1000 (which I haven't done this year). I must be grandfathered in at a lower rate due to customer longevity, lengthy contracts, or renewals. Thank you though for bringing that to my attention so I can keep an eye on it with any new renewals. So far so good.
FoundationCool3416@reddit
And more since earlier. In 2015 I was paying .04 and .05 per kWh. Since Oncor was sold to the current investors it's done nothing but increase.
friendlysoviet@reddit
Oncor does not effect the price of electricity, they just deliver it.
TheJeff@reddit
No they haven't, what do you gain by spreading these lies?
I just went to powertochoose and the prices are within half a cent per kwh from when I locked in my rate in 2021.
Lyuseefur@reddit
Yes. You have two air conditioners not just one in VA.
It is hotter here than in VA.
The utilities cost per KwH here in Texas due to "deregulation".
Most likely, the house that you are in does not have good insulation. Texas Code for building doesn't have any energy incentives.
Sooo.... a lot of reasons.
sfa1500@reddit
https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/
According to this we are cheaper than Virginia for KwH prices.
Lyuseefur@reddit
Not sure why I’m downvoted for speaking truth
But anyway I was looking at business rates
Rates change all the time
But the bottom line is, larger house, hotter environment, more cooling, higher cost.
sfa1500@reddit
Likely because you weren't speaking truth entirely, parts were wrong. And then you attempted to make the thing you were wrong about as something to do with politics.
OlderNerd@reddit
Yes, at 74-76 degrees F. ALso, do you have an electric water heater, or Natural Gas?
Our house is about 2700 sq ft. We keep it around 78 (80 downstairs at night, since the bedrooms are upstairs) Our bills are in the 300's during the summer.
JaimeLannister10@reddit
When was your house built? And what’s your cost per KWh? Over $300/month for 2700 sq ft when you’re keeping it at 78+ degrees is insane to me!
msn23@reddit
I didn’t read all the comments so it might’ve been mentioned but attic insulation is definitely something you should check your status on, it can make a big difference. The attic should be ventilated properly as well, intake & exhaust.
obiknobi@reddit
The electric rates are higher than normal right now. I had a good rate before the summer and then my contract expired and I’m paying a lot higher of a rate. In a 3 bedroom townhome ~1700 sq ft and summer energy bills have been ~$300
friendlysoviet@reddit
Summer is always the worst time to lock into an electricity plan.
AssignmentSecret@reddit
I pay $120 and I have a 2k sq ft home. We keep our ac at 80 and turn on fans. We like a little warmer temperature, so that helps a lot. We also have double paned windows and blackout curtains which helps a ton with energy efficiency.
How old is your ac unit? Have you checked the duct work? All these things can attribute to higher utility bills.
degelia@reddit
If you want actual discourse on finding solutions you will need to provide relevant data.
Weak-Ganache-1566@reddit
2800 house with 2 units. Temp is never higher than 74 and our bill is -$190/mo June-sep
No_Lingonberry_1165@reddit
3750 sq foot home. 75 down stairs and 77 upstairs ( bedrooms) in day time. 73 on both units at night. we have gas for heat and water tank. our bill is $300 at highest in august. this is with coserve. ps. we paid for extra insulation and a good thermostat!!
budget_walrus97@reddit
I peaked at $260/mo this year for a 3100sq ft home, and I am have a 100% green wind energy plan... Perhaps you should check your insulation.
aek82@reddit
Yea, most of the houses were built in the 90s/2000s when energy savings is an after thought.
apiratelooksatthirty@reddit
Do you have a Nest or something similar? Summers here are brutal, so if you’re not working from home, you need to keep the thermostat much higher during the day when you’re not around. Ours hits 80 upstairs during the day, otherwise it would be running all day nonstop during the peak summer months. If you own the home, it might also make sense also to pay for additional attic insulation and proper attic ventilation to keep the heat out.
Also, you need to see if your electric rates are competitive. Check out powertochoose.org to compare rates and find something that is cheaper.