What about just condensing freezers to save energy
Posted by Specialist_Loan8666@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 94 comments
I have an upright freezer and a chest freezer. In the upright freezer is usually 160+ pounds of vacuum sealed Costco beef. In the chest freezer there is only some veggies and a lot of open space. Wife is gonna grab some roasts this week. In the event of shtf if I stuff all the beef from the upright into the chest freezer and added some large igloo ice blocks wouldn’t everything stay frozen for a couple days?
I’m just thinking to run the generator every other day for the freezer and then have a blueprint ac180 for daily use( lamps battery chargers. Heated blanket if cold).
GigabitISDN@reddit
Chest freezers are usually really, really, really good at staying cold due to their design. So yes, that sounds like a reasonable plan. If you really want to maximize your energy efficiency and cold retention, stuff your chest freezer full. A full freezer will stay cold longer than a half-full freezer.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you. I figured I can do every other day and save the gas
kennerly@reddit
You'd be better off just buying some solar and keeping it topped up that way.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Solar panels are outrageous
shikkonin@reddit
How so?
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Price.
pham_nguyen@reddit
You can get them pretty cheap. I got 130w panels for $70. Two of them do a fine job of keeping my RV fridge cold.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
What brand if I may ask
pham_nguyen@reddit
I used eco worthy on the 20% discount off eBay days.
But with this adapter, you can wire most solar panels in - https://www.amazon.com/BLUETTI-Charging-DC7909-Compatible-Station/dp/B0BLBRD3JN
If you want to be cheap, you can typically find used solar panels on marketplace or Craigslist.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Actually I just got a bluetti ac180 and I think that adapter came in the box 😅
pham_nguyen@reddit
Perfect.
A pair of these things was enough to keep my RV fridge running indefinitely - although I live in California.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126060607676
If you’re not in California, you might need more. It also depends on the season.
If you want to be cheap, look for older used panels locally. You can find people giving them away. Not as efficient, but not an issue if you have the land.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Ok so grab adapter then look for solar panels
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Are they compatible with bluetti
pham_nguyen@reddit
Yeah. You just need the right connector. Solar panels are all very simple.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you
babyCuckquean@reddit
I got second hand panels (250w) at auction for less than 100AUD each. So like 70USD. We had two batteries, just old car batteries, and had one on charge and one in our tent. We ran fans, lights, charged phones, laptops, had gaming consoles and music, only had to switch out batteries every few days. I figure adding my 140w chest freezer for 2 hours a day would take that down to switching out daily, but again that was using 2 old car batteries, not LifePo4. We lived like that happily for 8 months, and wouldve continued but there was a drought and after our car broke down halfway up the mountain the 30 min walk+45 min uphill hike carrying every litre of water we needed to use for 3 adults and 4 dogs was too much for us. Solar doesnt have to be out of reach, if youre a little bit creative and can problem solve.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you
shikkonin@reddit
Alright then...
SimplifyAndAddCoffee@reddit
I wouldn't do that. In the end you are using the same energy to cool it, except by turning off/disconnecting it every other day, you are allowing it to get warmer again between cooling down, which is bad for it and the food. Just keep it running, and the chest freezer itself will regulate the duty cycle to keep your food cold while saving power when its not running.
If you really need to save power, you can turn up the temperature a bit so it doesn't need to cool as far, although if you do that then you will have less of a safety margin if power is lost before food goes bad.
BulkheadRagged@reddit
He's not talking about saving electricity he's talking about saving generator gas if the power is out
SimplifyAndAddCoffee@reddit
Should be using a battery bank for that if you don't need/want to run your generator all the time. Charge your bank then run off the battery. Leave the fridge running on the battery power.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Yes I could do that too. I just grabbed a bluetti ac180. Plus I could just check freezer meat on non generator days to make sure it’s still frozen
SimplifyAndAddCoffee@reddit
Fill a water bottle 1/3 of the way with water and lay it on its side in the freezer until it freezes with the water against the side of the bottle. Then turn it upright and keep it that way in the freezer. If the freezer thaws, even temporarily, the water will start to melt and refreeze at the bottom of the bottle, so you will know something went wrong when you open it later.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
I would just go down there and make sure it’s still frozen on non generator days
SimplifyAndAddCoffee@reddit
I should clarify when you said save gas I was thinking you meant a propane operated fridge. Being a gasoline generator running electric to the freezer I would definitely recommend the battery bank route if anything. You can get some good deep cycle marine or lifepo4 batteries for relatively cheap and hook them up to a charge controller that charges off the generator (and/or grid/solar) and a chest freezer will just sip power from that for days without running the battery down. You will save a lot of energy and gas that way as all of the power generated by the generator is otherwise lost, and you have to run it constantly vs just running it for a few minutes or hours when the batteries get low.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you. I have a 2000 predator. That thing sips gas. I ran it for 5 hours straight on our last power outage to power two freezers. Tv. DVD. Lamp. Etc and it only used like 1/4-1/2 tank. The tank is a gallon. I know I can get by in 1 gallon on generator days. I’d just run it at 1-2 hours at a time spread out
Easy_Grapefruit5936@reddit
Maybe you could get some bags of ice to take up some of the spare room sometimes. Idk why not shrug🤷♀️
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you
Easy_Grapefruit5936@reddit
I read further down that someone else recommended just adding bottles of water. They would freeze. That would be much easier than adding bags of ice.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Yup I’m gonna do that.
cut_my_elbow_shaving@reddit
Plastic milk jugs, cleaned & filled with water. Useful in coolers & for keeping freezer cold.
KPac76@reddit
Listen to them. ^^^ They know what they're talking about.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you
TheCarcissist@reddit
On the flip side upright freezers are better at freezing items faster....
GigabitISDN@reddit
Interesting, I had no idea.
TheCarcissist@reddit
Better air flow, freezes stuff in like half the time of a chest freezer. My chest freezer is long term stuff and upright is for short term or to quickly freeze and then move to chest or freeze dryer
babyCuckquean@reddit
Wait you freeze stuff before you freeze dry it?
Independant-Emu@reddit
Due to their efficiency, does it make a difference if you keep it in a basement vs being surrounded by Earth at basement (4 meters deep) level? I'm just comparing it being in open basement air vs surrounded on 5 sides by 50 degrees F (10 degrees C).
GigabitISDN@reddit
The ambient environment and temperature do play a role, relative to how effective the insulation and seals are.
But most modern chest freezers use their side panels to radiate removed heat, so you have to allow for airflow around them. Surrounding them with dirt would negatively impact their efficiency. I also see people occasionally recommending that you wrap your freezer in a heavy blanket or something. I suppose this can be good advice during a power outage but it isn't something you'd normally want to do.
Independant-Emu@reddit
Good information I didn't know. Thanks!
electricpenguin6@reddit
As long as there is airflow. If you pack it too tightly, cold air won’t be able to circulate and keep things frozen
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
I think it’s opposite friend. More frozen things packed tightly stays frozen longer
electricpenguin6@reddit
Honestly I missed the main question. Idk if packing it all together will help. If you can’t use both freezers then do what you gotta do. Keeping a small gap between your items and the walls could help slow the thawing process. Air can be a great insulator as long as the freezer is properly sealed.
If you are going to run the freezer at all, you have to have space between the walls and your items to allow cold air to circulate. You can google the manual for your specific model and see what the manufacturer recommends for spacing.
Retire_date_may_22@reddit
Just put some bottles of water in and let them freeze.
shikkonin@reddit
If you use water only, you get the best effect only once the freezer reaches 0°C, but you do get the advantage of being able to drink that water.
If you add some salt to the water, you lose the drinkability, but the freezer will stay colder longer.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Smart I may do that instead of buying the large ice packs. Thanks!!
Retire_date_may_22@reddit
I use to use old rinsed out milk jugs
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thanks. Others said 2 liters
Stroderod3@reddit
I had an 8 day power outage last year and my chest freezer kept everything frozen solid the whole time. No generator. Fully packed.
jsat3474@reddit
We have 2 chest freezers and an upright. Each freezer is full, but also has ice jugs just to take up space.
Our idea is, if the power goes out, the freezers will be fine for a while. We won't drag out the generator unless it's an extended outage.
The other idea is, if one freezer takes a shit, we can move the food items to the other freezers and we'll have room once we remove the ice jugs. That way we're not on a time crunch to replace the old freezer.
Provia100F@reddit
You should not attempt to "guess" freezers and refrigerators. They need to be supplied constant power so that the internal thermostat can make the determination of when to cool and not cool.
Accidentally ruining your entire cold store and contracting food poisoning is never outweighed by a hypothetical increase in generator runtime.
Stock more gasoline, plan for continuous generator runtime.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
I’d just go physically touch the meat on non generator days
Provia100F@reddit
Anything above 0°F is unsafe for frozen food, and anything above 40°F is unsafe for refrigerated food.
You're only allowed a collective total of 4 hours outside of those temperature ranges before bacteria growth is considered unsafe in a commercial environment. Once you cross that time threshold, frozen must be considered refrigerated (and not refrozen) and refrigerated must be considered room temperature/spoiled.
1c0n0cl4st@reddit
You may want to look into getting wireless thermometers so you can keep an eye on freezer temperatures. If a compressor fails, you may not know until the food in your freezer has already thawed.
I use two different kinds. One to visually see the temperature and another to send me alerts if the temperature goes out of normal range.
AMIR Refrigerator Thermometer
TempStick - https://tempstick.com/
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
I would just go down there and physically touch the meat to make sure it’s still frozen
1c0n0cl4st@reddit
Every time you open it, warm air and moisture will get in and warm everything slightly. That is why I have the thermometers. I can monitor when I have to turn on the generator without having to open the freezer.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Would a wireless thermometer have a gauge on the outside that somehow gets into the inside
1c0n0cl4st@reddit
On mine, there is a magnetic base that displays the temperature and the sensors are battery powered and connect wirelessly. You just have to make sure the base is in the vicinity of the sensors to get a reading. My most distant thermometer is about 20 feet from the base but I didn't know the maximum range.
This is a link to the one I have, but they all seem to be very similar. Sorry for the really long URL--I don't recall how to shorten it on my phone.
https://www.amazon.com/AMIR-Refrigerator-Thermometer-Wireless-Temperature/dp/B07B9N71VC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2PYXMHCFF9FXB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.LAqNH5HtQbYVmJOva7x-14PIf1wWJtNET58FgenSqTIz1vFwDfWG4Byyjr49lP6CaM5tRXxTvcV9V4MSbq7Cu1jPu-rV7kPEMrCJHCAssR-LpNInLG0mO2hzqpqM9KKM6UjmuZwvSRMMEpa6OV6p7fV8c4o-wmGFsJFGbuNcfYngLQLDGT6fNS1zNz3VGR6vUKq9XA3TeKNLgdFl-Oo-Ng.8Cb2UDbLUEqHF8Tw3jumL0Rr9F3fvooB-zMSBgkTSKM&dib_tag=se&keywords=amir+refrigerator+thermometer&qid=1725909598&sprefix=amir+refrigerator%2Caps%2C190&sr=8-1
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Wireless wouldnt work when shtf no?
1c0n0cl4st@reddit
These aren't using your Wi-Fi router, they are only communicating to themselves. They are battery powered so they still work during a power outage.
If you do get one, I would recommend getting lithium AA batteries (i.e. Energizer Ultimate Lithium) because they handle the freezing temperature very well. Alkaline batteries may work, but they tend to leak so I don't use them. NiMH batteries will not work at all.
MegaGrubby@reddit
Also, wifi and internet are different. As long as the router is powered Wifi would be available.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you!!
civildefense@reddit
I always grab an indoor outdoor thermometer and put the outdoor probe in the freezer and hang it on the wall at eye level so i glance at it to ensure it shows negative.
Different-Engine-550@reddit
I had this question when I bought my first house with a garage.
I won't speak to whether this is worth doing or not. I will only suggest implementing some sort of temp monitoring system in the freezers and trying it out while you still have power.
Additionally, if you need the blanket then the situation for your freezer would be different I assume and it's thaw rate might be slower.
If it works no advice needed.
If it doesn't maybe consider the location of the freezers or consider a battery bank to achieve the same desired effect without killing power.
From what I understand lithium potassium batteries are what you want, but am still researching that myself for other applications.
It seems like your desire is passive cooling. Look into root cellars above and below ground depending on your elevation.
You mentioned you use your chest freezers for veggies and upright for bulk meat. I know you are planning on consolidating to one in emergencies.
I prefer looking at it like this:
chest freezer = bulk
upright = organization
fridge/freezer = convenience
I have three types of meat in my chest freezer. All bulk and stacked vertically. I have a spot where I keep milk jugs from Sam's stacked vertically in place of meat. That way I can practice first in first out method.
I removed the basket in my chest freezer and keep 10 whole chickens there, stacked vertically.
I buy my stacks on the same day, at Sam's. Seems like a lot of money and it is in the moment, but you save so much money by investing in food.
Got off track.
For the upright I would recommend RoseRed Homestead. Someone else recommended the channel on here and I like her setup. She also shops at Costco I believe.
I'm not a huge fan of the paper on the front system they use. I would rather have more protection for my inventory system and a system that wouldn't require replacing regularly. Magnets work great for that if you make them yourself or find a place that sells fridge magnets that don't suck.
Store clean drinking water in clean and safe containers in your freezer whether your power is on or not. It helps regardless.
My water in my milk jugs, even though I bleached them, is going down the toilet more than likely. That may just be me there without wanting to take the risk.
To me, it seems people don't really look at batteries as an option unless people are talking about solar.
For me it is like this: What powers the freezer? The battery. What keeps the battery from running out? The generator, electrical, solar, wind, fire, water, another battery, a bicycle, 500,000 hamsters.
You could probably get it done with 100,000 hamsters, but we believe in workers rights here.
Like I said before, the top has the only real advice you need here.
You are already doing better than most by shopping the wholesale, owning freezers, having a generator, and asking questions.
On the generator, depending on your make and model or if you already do so have, I would suggest researching multi fuel conversion kits or propane.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you. Just picked up a bluetti ac180. I would charge it on generator days. I may look into getting a thermometer. Thank you for your response and taking the time!!
Different-Engine-550@reddit
Man, my bad. I read that and blanked. I was thinking you were saying you have a window unit for you.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
All good thank you!! Now my 100+ gallons of gas could last me 200 days
MrPuddinJones@reddit
I have solar for my fridges.
In a true SHTF scenario, EMP could knock out generators and everything electronic.
So an EMP just eliminates fridges altogether.
If an EMP happens, cook things as they're thawing. It's gonna go bad fast. Cook it up and eat well otherwise it'll just spoil.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
It’s not gonna be an emp. It’s gonna be from within blamed on some foreign agent or “terrorst”
MrPuddinJones@reddit
I'd recommend solar in any other scenario then.
Don't worry about fuel for generator if the sun rises daily. Plan accordingly for cloudy days/battery storage.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Would charge the bluetti Ac180 on generator days
civildefense@reddit
what will happen is when you freeze at major sub zero the ice crystals are very smal, so it doesnt break all the cell structure of your meat or veg. So like if you are storing say raspberries you should freeze them individually on a cookie sheet to insure the crystals form and then bag them by raising and lowering the temperature i think it will wreak havok on teh produce. just my 2cts
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you
FlatusGiganticus@reddit
I had a chest freezer compressor fail and everything stayed frozen for over a week while I sourced another freezer. It was mid-covid so freezers were hard to find. It went from about -2F to about 25F in that time. It was packed full of frozen meat, and we were still accessing it to get food out. I had planned to add ice if it got much warmer.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Excellent good to know thank you!!
MrHmuriy@reddit
you can also take several large (2L) empty plastic bottles of Coca-Cola or something similar, pour some salt into each, fill with water so that 5-6 cm of free space remains, stir the salt and put it in the chest freezer. Salt water freezes at -6.4C with 10% salt in water and at -16.8C with 20% salt in water. Therefore, this can extend the frozen state of food for another day or two. To achieve a 10% solution of salt in water, you need about 200gr of salt per 2 liters of water.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Interesting. Thank you!!
b18bturbo@reddit
It would be more like refrigeration than freezing. There are yeti coolers and others that keep stuff cold for days like ice and so on. Main reason I’ve been getting into power banks/solar generators or generators in general to keep the fridge/freezer going through different situations or common natural disasters. Best bet would be dry ice to keep it frozen but that depends doesn’t last days more like a day or so.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
I know I’ve heard stories of chest freezers packed and with no power the food was so tight and frozen it stayed frozen for a day or two or three. I would only do every other day
b18bturbo@reddit
RTIC 52 Ultra-Light Cooler: 30% Lighter Hard Sided Coolers (rticoutdoors.com)
Check out coolers that are rated to hold ice for days like this one. That way you can last 2 or3 days with ice and ice packs also to keep it cold for days best of luck
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
So I’d move the meat to the cooler?
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Bluetti not Blueprints ****🤦♂️
RufusOfRome2020@reddit
So I have always been told a freezer will keep for up to 48hrs before temp drops enough to start thawing process.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thanks!
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
Depends on the freezer and the temperature. I can tell you the freezer in my garage in the summer will not last anywhere near 48 hours without power.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Mines in cool basement
absolutezero78@reddit
Well I'm glad you have two. Think about it this way. If nothing happens at all regarding an emergency do you want to loose lots of meat in the freeze if you losse a compressr? No not really.
I have a uprights freezer in the garage as well as a refrigerator/freezer dual use upright. Normal we just have drinks and not important items that can get pulled out and I can switch it to freezer mode if the other one has issues so I don't loose my frozen meat.
But yes we would have to run the generator on long power outages. The more thermal mass you have in one unit the better it will holdout over an outage.
You might want to read up on a post here about the 120 GFI outlets on a generator tripping out every 15min when running a freezer. Aka the compressor on the freezer and long cord trips it out. I've never had that issue as I go from the 240 plug on the generator directly into the house with a transfer box on house circuits.
Specialist_Loan8666@reddit (OP)
Thank you
06210311200805012006@reddit
This has been covered ad-nauseum.
Opening the door is by far the largest source of heat loss in any fridge or freezer. Literally nothing else matters in a practical sense. If it's SHTF and you want to make the food last longer, plan what you eat for the day and only open the door once, take stuff out, and quickly close it. You will note from this fella's graphs, it still doesn't matter; you're only extending the freezer's utility by a day or two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaKnR1Uz3bg&ab_channel=Matthiasrandomstuff
Therefore:
Immediate-Storm4118@reddit
I lost power at a cabin 2 years ago. 15 cubic foot freezer full of meat. I got there 2 weeks later. The stuff on top was thawed but still good and cold. The bottom 1/2 was still frozen!
rm3rd@reddit
Sounds like a plan.