Handcuffs?
Posted by LuckyErro@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 88 comments
When watching American cop shows the police always handcuff people they are arresting. Is it always done? Handcuffing where im from only happens if someone is violent.
grimm1111@reddit
Yeah, I think so. For the safety of the arresting officer.
Hoosier_Jedi@reddit
Yep. If you’re getting arrested, you’re getting cuffed. It’s for everyone’s safety.
briedcan@reddit
Everyone? How are having my hands bound behind my back making me safer?
briedcan@reddit
Apparently words don't have meaning. Don't lie and say everyone when you mean law enforcement.
Peter_Rainey@reddit
Bro you are sat behind, belted up. Maybe the cop doesn't want to be strangled for doing his job
Argent_Mayakovski@reddit
That’s still the cop’s safety, not yours. Also, there’s a barrier for exactly this reason, like in a taxi.
rawbface@reddit
The cop is part of "everyone", you silly goose
Argent_Mayakovski@reddit
Nah. A seatbelt is for everyone’s protection - it protects you, the driver, from being thrown from the vehicle, and protects passerby from being struck by your body when it flies out. A bulletproof vest is for one persons protection. They’re part of the shared human species, yes, but you wearing a bulletproof vest doesn’t make me or the people around you safer.
TruckADuck42@reddit
It's also so you don't do something stupid like try to get out of the car while it's moving. Not that you would, but sometimes people do crazy shit even if they got arrested for something minor.
Argent_Mayakovski@reddit
You also can’t open the doors from the inside of a squad car. Handcuffs are for the protection of the police, not for you.
joepierson123@reddit
Keeps you from getting shot if you try to punch the cop
Argent_Mayakovski@reddit
No, it doesn’t. It keeps you from punching a cop. The cop has agency, it’s the cops choice to shoot in any situation.
joepierson123@reddit
And the situation he's more likely to shoot you is when you punch him
Argent_Mayakovski@reddit
Do you know what agency is?
joepierson123@reddit
I'm not a philosopher no
Argent_Mayakovski@reddit
Okay, so basically it’s the ability to chose. Humans have agency, except when it’s been taken from them - and even then, arguably. For the purpose of this conversation, it’s more or less synonymous with free will. Any time you make a decision, you’re expressing your agency. When a cop decides to shoot someone who punches them, they’re using their agency. So yes, you might be more likely to get shot if the cop is actually scared for their life, but it’s ultimately them who is making the decision to escalate things and take a life.
TruckADuck42@reddit
If you attack someone while driving a car, shooting you is the correct choice. If you cause the driver to wreck you'll kill both of you.
Argent_Mayakovski@reddit
Sure, maybe. That’s irrelevant though, the handcuffs still aren’t protecting you. And, again, there’s a pretty heavy-duty barrier keeping you in the back for this reason.
Grenboom@reddit
It's not for your safety they used what is called a generalization. What they mean is that it's for everyone's safety from you (the person arrested).
joepierson123@reddit
Keeps you from getting shot if you try to punch the cop
Scrappy_The_Crow@reddit
The purpose is to lessen the threat potential of you against the cop to a lower level, thus calming the situation overall.
This really should be obvious.
Or do you not understand that people regularly go from "not a threat" to "a threat" with little or no warning?
huazzy@reddit
I was like 5 feet tall and 115 lbs soaking wet when I got arrested for shoplifting in middle school.
Got handcuffed while being driven to the police station.
Policeman was really great about it in a fatherly way though.
Apocalyptic0n3@reddit
Based on your post history, you're from Australia. Some quick searching certainly seems to suggest they'll handcuff anyone they're arresting too. The very first result is a woman clearly cuffed for an arrest for a Facebook post of all things. A search for "Australia arrest" on Google Images and I don't see a single image of a suspect being arrested who is not in handcuffs/zipties.
Gurguran@reddit
Being arrested in Australia?...
What was the charge!? Eating a meal? A succulent, Chinese meal?
BrowBeat@reddit
OP whines about downvotes, but this is democracy manifest!
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
Yep an aussie and have been arrested and not cuffed and have witnesed a coule eople arrested with no cuffs. had a mate cuffed but he was punching on with the cops- did ok till 3 of them ganged up on him.
secondmoosekiteer@reddit
3 cops gang up on you in the US, you might die.
Baby daddy had a dad who was in and out of the system. They knew the family name. He was burly and had his car pulled over and searched once… They double cuffed him and zip tied his thumbs with no altercation except maybe his smart mouth.
TruckADuck42@reddit
Do you mean two handcuffs doubled up or chained together to make them longer? Because the second one is necessary on bigger guys sometimes. My wrists barely fit so they won't turn in the cuffs at all and don't line up right with my arms behind my back so they have to chain them.
secondmoosekiteer@reddit
Nope, that would make sense. Two pairs of cuffs stacked one right on top of the other. He was very burly. Big shoulders, kept the top ranking on the punching machine at the mall for a year or so. Never felt unsafe in a crowd with him.
TruckADuck42@reddit
Ah. Yeah, I don't see the purpose there. It's not like you're breaking the cuffs or something.
secondmoosekiteer@reddit
I believe that was indeed the concern.
TruckADuck42@reddit
Crazy. Tensile strength on handcuffs is a but under 500 lbs. No way anybody, no matter how big they are, could produce that much force in what is essentially a lat raise starting from bad positioning. 50 pounds per arm is considered a lot for that lift. And if you did manage it you'd fuck yourself up so bad you wouldn't be going anywhere.
secondmoosekiteer@reddit
Listen, folks who go to school in Alabama.. well. To be polite, bless us. Maybe it was just a statement like “Don’t make trouble”
He’s gone now, so I can’t ask to hear the story again. Who knows?
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
Ziped ties his thumps? WTF thats legal?
Scrappy_The_Crow@reddit
WTF do you expect? It's more "chivalrous" to stay 1:1?
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
lol no. He deserved it. Just mentioning it for colour as it brought back a memory.
Scrappy_The_Crow@reddit
Ah, gotcha!
notthegoatseguy@reddit
You have friends who will violently assault people????
Get better friends.
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
Only people who want to arrest him.His e wife used to make up stuff and send the cops around.
GeorgePosada@reddit
Idk that friend sounds like kind of a badass honestly
Recent-Irish@reddit
No the fuck he doesn’t?
GeorgePosada@reddit
This subreddit takes itself so seriously lol
RunFromTheIlluminati@reddit
First, you are familiar with "Democracy Manifest", correct? Man was handcuffed, dragged out and tossed feet first into the car.
Second, your 'friend' was punching cops and needed three people to bring him down? Htf many drugs was he on and why in God's name is he your friend?
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
I'm sure it happens from time to time but its not the norm.
No drugs just a farm boy.
dotdedo@reddit
Um, Celebs get handcuffed too. OJ Simpson, Johnny Depp, I can go on but the only rich and famous person I can find that wasn't handcuffed was Martha Stewart.
cdb03b@reddit
Being handcuffed when arrested is standard procedure. It would be very rare for someone to not be and would require them to be extremely high profile, or have a medical condition that prevented it (such as missing an arm).
travelinmatt76@reddit
You don't even have to be arrested. You can be handcuffed while only being detained depending on the situation.
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
wow thats crazy!
travelinmatt76@reddit
It just depends on the situation. If you aren't acting crazy and the police don't consider you a flight risk they can just tell you that you are detained and not free to leave and not be handcuffed.
Gurguran@reddit
Also happens when they want to run folk off a particular spot: roll through, grab everyone handy, cuff them and let them stew on the curb for a bit, collar everyone who's holding, cut the rest loose.
Weskit@reddit
You should provide info on where you're from so we can verify the veracity of what you're saying.
But anyway, just because a person is non-violent when first confronted by an LEO does not mean they will stay that way. It would be extremely imprudent not to cuff a person based on first impressions.
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
Australia.
MrLongWalk@reddit
Wait do you guys not approve of gun laws in the US? I thought our freedom was an object of envy.
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
lol.
MrLongWalk@reddit
Seriously, it’s not like every single conversation with an Aussie includes a lecture on guns or something
PurplishPlatypus@reddit
There are a lot of arresting scenarios in the US. Everyone is saying, yep, always cuffed. Well, that's really only for street cops who are in uniform, arresting you on the street or at your house etc. But in a case like Trump, let's say it's a white collar crime that's being investigated behind closed doors by Federal or State police. If it's a case that has to be built against you, and you have a lawyer, and are asked to come in voluntarily for questioning etc, then it's more like a series of meetings that are happening before an actual arrest. And at one meeting they may have the indictment ready to actually charge you, and say we are now going to arrest you for this crime, or through your lawyer, they say you have to surrender yourself and come in to be booked. You are cooperative and already in the building, they will just walk with you to booking, no cuffs. If you're on the street, a regular cop doesn't know if you have a weapon on you, he's alone, he will usually cuff you for safety. If you're in a building full of cops and you gave gone through a metal detector and have no weapons, they're is no need for cuffs. Additionally, in small towns, if it's a woman or an elderly person, I have seen cops just take them to the back of the cop car with no cuffs.
_Smedette_@reddit
He was not arrested. He surrendered after being indicted.
Ananvil@reddit
It really should be a requirement that posters identify their MyCountry(tm) in order to post.
Yes_2_Anal@reddit
If you're rich/a celebrity there's a chance you can drive yourself down to the police station for booking, then drive off after paying bail.
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
Same everywhere. People with money and power are always treated like royalty. Makes you wonder why so mnay on this thread seem to think its normal for cuffs to be used on them but not on someone like trump for eg.
macaroni66@reddit
It's easier to beat you up that way
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
For sure.
CaptainPunisher@reddit
If they take you into custody (not necessarily an arrest yet, but you are literally under their care and responsibility). They will do this to deter attempts to run or become violent. If you're just getting a ticket or something minor, they usually don't handcuff you as long as you're not acting out.
Cops are people, and most people don't want to get hurt. If they feel the need to put handcuffs on you for some reason, they'll usually do it gently and politely if you're not struggling. If you make it harder, most of them will escalate the force they feel is necessary to do that.
Fit_Decision_8640@reddit
No matter the crime, if you’re being read your rights you must be put in police custody.
LuckyErro@reddit (OP)
Sure but why cufs if someone is complying? Are they not innocent until proven guilty. The police serve the people.
zugabdu@reddit
Being handcuffed is not an adjudication of criminal guilt. It's to prevent you from escalating the situation.
Scrappy_The_Crow@reddit
Putting cuffs on is not a conviction.
Sandi375@reddit
Until a detainee realizes the trouble they're in and tries to grab the officer's taser/gun/whatever and becomes violent. Or they run, causing more issues with innocent people. Cuffs keep everyone safer.
TheBimpo@reddit
Safety. I don’t understand why this is confusing. Being handcuffed is not a punishment, it’s a safety measure.
Tactical_Epunk@reddit
Their pretty confused since their government also arrest people for post on the internet.
TheBimpo@reddit
I guess if you’re busy pointing fingers, nobody’s looking at you.
Indifferentchildren@reddit
Innocent until proven guilty means that you cannot be punished until you are proven guilty. Handcuffs are not a punishment. They are for safety. You can also spend months in the County Jail awaiting trial, before you are found guilty of anything. That is not a punishment; that is one way* of ensuring that you do not flee the jurisdiction before your trial, and it is a way of protecting the public from further harm.
hamiltrash52@reddit
When the “non punishment” is near identical to the punishment, I think it counts. Especially when policing is already quite discriminatory and then poor people are doubled down on cause they can’t afford bail.
seditious3@reddit
Bring read your rights has nothing to do with it. In fact, the vast majority of arrestees are not read their Miranda rights. They're only read if the cops are going to question you about the crime and you are not free to leave.
Judgy-Introvert@reddit
Mostly. Having worked in the law enforcement arena, I can say that not everyone who gets arrested also gets handcuffed. However, it’s a small percentage of those who don’t.
JustSomeGuy556@reddit
Broadly, yes. Nearly all departments will have that as a policy.
DrGerbal@reddit
When I got a dui in may of ‘23 (no one was hurt, nothing damaged. I was just too drunk and shouldn’t have drove.) he went to handcuff me. But I’ve got big broad shoulders and big wrists. So it was difficult. So the state trooper said “I’ll make you a deal. If you promise to be cool with me. I’ll let you go to jail no handcuffs and I’ll make this all go away lot easier for you including putting in my report you were a perfect gentleman. But if not, I’ll make these cuffs work and you’re gonna have a bad time.” I took option 1, and got my case tossed after 6 months of drug testing and classes.
Scrappy_The_Crow@reddit
There are videos that regularly pop up of folks of a certain size needing two sets of handcuffs linked to be able to get them on.
sanesociopath@reddit
With exceptionally few exceptions yes
You would need to be extremely chill, getting arrested for something minor and the cop needs to be much more relaxed about the situation than usual knowing you wouldn't be stupid enough to turn an in and immediately bailed out until you pay a fine into a prison sentence.
Being very wealthy also helps unless they want to "perp walk" you
RodeoBoss66@reddit
If you’re arrested, yes, always. Even if they end up letting you go without taking you in for booking or questioning, if you’re under arrest, the cuffs go on.
Peter_Rainey@reddit
One justice for the rich, one for the average man
MrSillmarillion@reddit
Yes it really happens. It's not about the moment, it's about what the person will do afterwards when it occurs to them that their are not getting out of this. People panic and try to run when talking is no longer an option.
dtb1987@reddit
Getting arrested isn't fun and tends to be an emotional experience, some people might seem fine at first then when they are being put into the car swing around and deck the cop. Of all the practices our cops partake in I have a hard time arguing against this one
KaBar42@reddit
Generally speaking. Yes. Handcuffs are basically always utilized. Even if the car has a cage.
The last thing a lone transporting officer wants is an arrestee having unrestricted mobility.
Remember, there are plenty of cases where a suspect has turned a relatively minor incident into a death sentence. These ain't exactly the highest impulse control morons these officers are encountering.
CrispyMcWilliam@reddit
Yes, everyone is handcuffed if they are "under arrest" and sometimes if they're only being detained.
badseedify@reddit
Yes, if you’re getting arrested you’re getting put in handcuffs, regardless of the crime.
Standard-Document-78@reddit
I’ve been arrested 4 times for non-violent things, maybe the most potentially violent was a burglary I was arrested in the act of but the rest was vandalism after-the-fact and bench/arrest warrants, all times I was handcuffed
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