Oh the irony
Posted by diogenesthehopeful@reddit | tulsi | View on Reddit | 87 comments
Four years ago Tulsi wanted to rebuild the democrat party and today on this week Liz Cheney says she wants to rebuild the republican party. Nearly a year ago RFK Jr. also said he wanted to rebuild the dem party and now he endorses Trump. Tulsi endorses Trump. Cheney endorse Kamala.
whiskey tango foxtrot
The only clue I see in all of this madness is that the one person who could have saved us from all of this madness is endorsing Kamala Harris. The person that protects the US of A from a potus gone crazy is the Speaker of the House. When Donald John Trump should have been removed from office, Paul Ryan was Speaker. It was his job to see to it that this shit never spiraled out of control and it wasn't like he didn't know because Al Green called for Trump's impeachment in 2017, but instead of Ryan doing his constitutional duty, he packed up his bags and scurried out of dodge. This is his mess as much as anybody's
rambogizmo@reddit
Next time you have a thought, just let it go buddy
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
lol
WotTheHellDamnGuy@reddit
Tyan never had any fucking idea what he was doing and it showed glaringly. He only knows how to be an opponent, not actually be a representative or a manager or a leader and do shit the country needs doing!
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
Well he is smart and a tool of the oligarchy. If the oligarchy wanted Trump gone, Congress would have ran him out of the whitehouse as soon as he pulled that stunt. I watched his handles. They were all over the media trying to get damage control for that Leviathan and as soon as he went on TV and dared anybody to come after his administration and the media didn't call him out for the Comey move or warning the public not to pursue this, that figured all was 'good in the hood" so to speak and damage control was not longer needed because Trump had the issue well in hand.
It was so disgusting. Obama was correct when he said in his final sotu that the nation gets the government it deserves. It reminds me of another final sofu when a sitting potus warned the nation of the MIC.
zombierapture@reddit
If you vote Kamala you literally have zero interest in Democrat reform and simply are voting against Trump.
WotTheHellDamnGuy@reddit
hahahaha, is that what you tell yourself at night?
Ibo-Naw@reddit
It's Vice President Harris.
zombierapture@reddit
Let's hope it never goes past that.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Hoping for the worst President of your lifetime to return to office is quite something.
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
He was objectively better by all metrics. Stop raging.
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
So you support what Tulsi has done over the last four fours?
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
I don’t know what “four fours” is. I have always supported candidates that are anti-war. Seems like the U.S. really loves killing children in combat zones during democratic presidencies.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
haha supporting a party that does absolutely nothing to stop the killing of children in schools, malls, stores, festivals, and everywhere else in the USA. The irony.
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
Are you talking about the mental health crisis? Because I am talking about the current admin and the Obama administration who continues to support the mass murder of 1000s, if not millions. They are war criminals. If they weren’t Americans leaders, they would be criminally charged.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Blaming mental health is a convenient excuse. What has the party you support done to address the mental health crisis, other than voting against related bills? If it's truly a mental health issue, why aren't mass shootings common in countries like the UK, Germany, France, Canada, Spain, Japan, or Italy? Do their children somehow face fewer mental health challenges than those in the U.S.?
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
They have better healthcare and they don't have a bill of rights that a lot of people seem to think we don't need
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Ah yes, because nothing says "mental health solution" like making sure our teachers and children has quick access to AR-15s—truly the Founding Fathers' finest vision for modern healthcare.
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
Well I don't think arming teachers or anybody that would prefer to be disarmed is a rational solution to any problem.
Some people will gladly trade their freedom for their security and convincing them of anything else is a waste of time unless they are critical thinkers. A critical thinker that would rather be in an authoritarian state vs a free state has his reasons and they are sound reasons as long as they trust the state in which they put their trust. Valid reasons don't have to be sound reasons because a valid reason for confiscating all of the weapons is that there are statistically less shootings is a disarmed population.. There are plenty of states in which to live if that is where one would rather live but this state was founded on the principle of freedom. The fourth amendment is all but gone since 911 and few even care. Today others believe the first amendment is under attack. More people seem to care about that but still there are those among those who think we don't need the second amendment are just as unconcerned about protecting the first.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Lol y'all love using the most extreme rhetoric possible. No one is talking about confiscating all of your weapons.
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
You do know that the democrats are in office right now, right? This isn’t a political issue. It’s a social issue. In counties without guns, like the ones you’ve listed, they have mass stabbings. Unwell people find a way to inflict pain on others. Don’t politicize it like CNN.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Aww look, more deflecting. I asked what your party has done about mental health, why mass shootings aren’t common in other countries, and if kids in those places have fewer mental health problems. But instead, you just said ‘it’s a social issue’ and mentioned stabbings. How helpful! It’s almost like answering the questions would have been too hard. 🙄
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
You’re still on this? Mental health is a social issue. Daddy government isn’t responsible for keeping your psychopath child from committing a crime. The dad of the Georgia school shooter bought him an AR-15 after he had already been investigated for threatening behavior. The gun is the tool, the dad was negligent, mental health was the problem. Maybe instead of screaming “BAN GUNS” after every shooting, you actually advocate for an actual solution. Where guns are banned, violence still happens. Murder is already illegal, and it doesn’t stop mass shooters. But yeah, a law will magically disappear all of the guns in the country.
It’s a foolish and tired argument that holds no value outside of political discourse. It solves nothing. Joe did nothing. Case closed.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
It seems your strongest skill is dodging questions and ranting about unrelated issues—did you learn that at Trump University?
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
I didn’t dodge anything. Again, I can explain things to you. I can’t understand them for you.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Today, I asked you 5-6 questions. Instead of answering them directly, you wrote long responses about everything except what I asked.
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
I’ve answered your questions and owe you nothing, anyway.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
You didn't answer them and anyone that doesn't reside on Earth 2 will agree that you didn't. "I owe you nothing." Y'all love saying that when you deflect.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Attempting to overturn an election is objectively getting better by all metrics?
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
He didn’t attempt to overturn an election. Such an ignorant take. Keep watching MSNBC and raging about fake bullshit.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
You do know he we indicated for it federally and in Georgia right?
What does MSNBC have to do with that?
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
Oh, because Fani Willis is certainly a person of great character and integrity.
He was not charged federally. He has plead not guilty.
That’s what MSNBC has to do with this. You obviously get your news from propaganda media.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
FACTS matter: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.226.0.pdf
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
An indictment is not a conviction. Words matter.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
You're right. My bad! Indictments totally don't count at all. They're just, you know, casual invitations to a courtroom tea party. And who needs actual facts when you can just ignore charges because "words matter," right?
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
How cute. In this country, you’re innocent until proven guilty. Indictments don’t mean he’s guilty. He’s been formally charged and will have a trial.
Nice “gotcha” but you’re out of your league here. Cry more. Downvote me more. I’m right, you’re wrong.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
What am I factually wrong about? Can you quote me please and then source the correct info?
Also, here's another fact. https://apnews.com/article/trump-trial-deliberations-jury-testimony-verdict-85558c6d08efb434d05b694364470aa0
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
Are you still talking about his election interference case? Or are you raging about another case that has nothing to do with it?
The FACT (since you love this word but don’t know the definition apparently) is that the federal indictment for election interference (that you cited earlier but apparently didn’t read) does not mean he’s guilty of anything.
Stop changing the goalpost. You’re wrong, I am right. Trump has plead not guilty to the federal case you cited earlier and, in actual court not MSNBC, you don’t plea if you’ve already been found guilty.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
I asked you two questions. You have been replying to my posts. It shouldn't be hard to provide receipts of what I am factually wrong about. Quote me. Cite the correct info.
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
Citation that Trump has not been found guilty in the federal election interference case.
You could’ve just googled it.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
I will make this simpler. What did I say that was wrong? Can you tell me exactly what I said, and then give me the right answer with proof?
questiano-ronaldo@reddit
Just reread your comments. I’m not wasting any more time educating you. I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you. Keep supporting warlords lol
Ibo-Naw@reddit
I am not asking you to explain.
What did I say that wasn’t right? Can you show me what I said, then tell me the right answer?
rk808hi@reddit
Tulsi just wants a job in politics, and she doesn't care who it's with. She'd work for Russia or Saudi Arabia if they offered her a job.
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
It is funny that some people complain about Tulsi who wouldn't accept the strings attached to being the democrats next rising star, but are completely embracing their current risen star. The fact that she embraced those string attachments some find unsettling.
808reddit808@reddit
The fact that Dems are celebrating Dick Cheney/Darth Vader the war criminal who made billions for Halliburton with all the no bid contracts in Iraq, the guy who shot his own friend in the face, is just……insane.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
The fact that you're missing the entire point of his endorsement is..... insane.
808reddit808@reddit
No. I believe you are the one missing the point. The establishment neo-cons have made their intentions very clear. They support the candidate that will keep the war machine chugging right along. The Bush admin was and is 10x worse than anything Trump has ever done. The msm has so successfully brainwashed you try that you are gleeful to have the likes of Dick Cheney
Ibo-Naw@reddit
You're missing the point. His endorsement has nothing to do with policy and everything to do with Donald Trump. He said it himself: [link]. All that other information about something that happened 20 years ago is irrelevant to the 2024 election. Also, claiming that Democrats are celebrating is hyperbolic. Many have shared their feelings about him.
808reddit808@reddit
https://x.com/warclandestine/status/1832598204853973310?s=46&t=4Q_9aeVFSNq0O-B7M-N_fQ
Ibo-Naw@reddit
\^ When you got nothing.
808reddit808@reddit
https://youtu.be/204RWeMOrvM?si=om4xfxSBqF_pz4iZ
808reddit808@reddit
https://x.com/drjillstein/status/1833149955298808110?s=46&t=4Q_9aeVFSNq0O-B7M-N_fQ
808reddit808@reddit
This is rich coming from a guy who only became vice president because his admin was installed in a stolen election with the help of GWB’s brother Jeb in the state of Florida. Good thing they stopped the recount.
CheckersSpeech@reddit
Are you lost?
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
In some respects. For example I'm lost at how anybody can vote for Harris or Trump.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
What do you actually know about Vice President Harris? Most people who have issues with her often repeat false right-wing talking points, such as her record as DA and AG, claims that she slept her way to the top, accusations that she's a DEI hire (a racist dog whistle), and Tulsi Gabbard's claim that she’s a warmonger. But that’s not unique. It seems that everyone here is labeled a warmonger except for Tulsi, Trump, and RFK Jr.
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
You people are incorrigible. When Obama left office, he told America that we get the government that we deserve.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
😅😂🤣😂😅 I was hoping for something different this time around, but nope.
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
Okay. I'll bow out
Ibo-Naw@reddit
I mean, it wouldn't be much different thant most of the posts in this sub lol.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Tulsi is a grifter.
RFK Jr. is a lunatic grifter.
Liz Cheney sees Trump as an existential threat to our democracy, which he is, so she endorsed VP Harris to encourage Republicans to stop pussyfooting around and vote for her instead of Trump or writing in some random name. Liz Cheney hasn’t had some ideological shift, and she’s not grifting. She’s not going to become a Democrat, and she’s not suddenly in favor of Medicare for All. There’s no switching or flip-flopping with her.
Intellect_Custodian@reddit
Cheney is a warmonger and so probably you are too
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Great pivot—because when discussing political endorsements and grifting, the logical next step is always to accuse someone of warmongering.
Abcde2018@reddit
"ThE pARtIeS FlIppEd"
Except they both do that all the time fr. They both do that all the time this is evidence.
kerenar@reddit
I think we may see a beginning a switch of ideologies in the parties, similarly to the switch that happened post-Civil War. I considered myself a Democrat up until 2016 when I became independent, and now I am a little more right leaning these days. I know many Democrats who have become Republicans, and vice versa. This would not be the first time the parties swapped ideologies. Remember, it was the Republican Party who called for the abolition of slavery, while the south which was largely populated by Democrats. Back then it was the Democrats who were the conservative party, while Republicans were progressive.
I think we might just be seeing a similar flip flop of the ideologies. The reason I no longer consider myself a Democrat is that they have gone away from policies I support, while the Republican side has picked up some of those policies, or at least been very slightly more open to them. The Democratic Party used to be anti-war, anti-corporate, anti-censorship, anti-drug company, anti-corruption, etc. Now that party is pro-all of those things (whether you believe that or not I will not try to argue,) which are all things I find to be some of the most important issues. Republicans have started to become the party which is against censorship, which I think is almost the number one issue, coming after getting legalized bribery and massive unstoppable lobbying bodies out of politics. I definitely think the Republicans are still crazy about many things, but I think stopping censorship is necessary to the future of the country, unless we want state sponsored narratives to be even harder to go up against.
Democrats want to get rid of Twitter/X now, do you think its a coincidence that they were fine with it up until Elon Musk bought it, and stopped working with the FBI to censor certain things they didn't want spread? They want it banned now because it can no longer be used as a governmental tool to spread propaganda.
Anyways, just an independent in the center of the aisle over here waiting for a new political party to pop up, that understands both sides have much more in common than they do differences. We all want corruption and money out of politics, let's start there and we can start picking sides again after we get our house back in order.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Look at all these oversimplifications, generalizations, misleading claims and both sides are bad nonsense in this extra long comment.
kerenar@reddit
Look at all these counter claims to support the poster's own beliefs in this low effort comment. It seems like he's implying that he thinks one side is less corrupt than the other, I wonder which side he thinks that is. Almost like he's backing up my reason for leaning right, which is because everyone knows the right lies, so they're less dangerous than the side that people think cares about them but really just hide it better.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
How is my comment low effort? You made a bunch of misleading claims. I can break each comment down one by one but you will not actually read what I link to, so what's the point? I bet if you actually researched the things you said, you would humble yourself, but you won't.
Anyway, I still haven't seen Tulsi show her boarding passes yet. So until that happens, I don't wanna hear it.
kerenar@reddit
I'm always open to changing my mind, which is why I no longer consider myself Democrat. Another problem I do find with friends of mine on the left though, is that their main counter arguments boil down to "you're just an idiot and wrong" without ever having anything to back it up or disprove what I believe. Republicans do the same thing. You've just picked a side and support that side and don't do any research into it other than reading media which already supports your view point. I consume content from both sides, and I'm in the center. Why do you think I'm even in this subreddit? Again, I liked tulsi as a Democrat, I like her as not a Democrat. I listen to people who make sense, I don't care what side they are on.
And I find it funny that you assume I don't research anything; how many hours of political podcasts do you listen to a week? For me it's a minimum of about 6 hours, and in the spring and early summer it goes up to about 30-40 hours a week (lots of time on planes and in airports.) How many congressional hearings have you watched on C-Span? Because I love watching Ted Cruz and AOC roast corporate executives in a congressional setting.
Which podcasts are your favorite? I like Breaking Points, The Young Turks, Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman, Tim Dillon, and NPR. If you have suggestions I'd love to check them out, but something tells me you don't really listen to many, because you assume other people don't.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Based off of your misleading and genralizations, I suggest you change the podcasts you listen to because it's clear as day, you're listening to people that are misleading you. Example, Joe Rogan.
Here are three that I listen to. The Sisters In Law, Justice Matters, Prosecuting Donald Trump, and Talking Feds podcast. All based on facts, not opinions to cater to a certain audiance like Breaking Points, and The Young Turks.
I watch/listen to C-Span daily until 4PM.
A week about 10 hours.
mikeyzee52679@reddit
It’s odd to “pick sides “ based on who lies or who everyone knows lies. I try to go with things like where do they stand on abortion rights , immigration , workers rights , if they are pro union , if they are for a strong centralized government, if they support gay rights. How they feel about climate change , stuff like that . When I think about small issues like them , I don’t see a switch in parties
Illin_Spree@reddit
Where is the evidence of this exactly? For example, aren't Republicans all for censorship on college campuses when it comes to Palestine? Think about the absurd anti-BDS laws DeSantis has signed. Are they really against censorship if the censorship is perceived to be in the best interest of their donors?
I'm worry that the sentiment against "liberalism" and "democracy" could lead to less respect for civil liberties, rather than more.
kerenar@reddit
You're right that many Republicans also support censorship. What I find dangerous is that the institutions that have the most power over censorship are left leaning, such as Facebook and Google, and these companies have been proven through documents and emails to have been directly working with the government and the FBI to censor content such as the Hunter Biden laptop story, which has been proven not to be disinformation but true. The government also worked with social media companies to put out the Steele Dossier story, which has now been proven to have been commissioned and was disinformation.
It's not so much that the Republicans are against censorship, so much as the Republicans are the ones currently being censored and shadowbanned, which makes me more likely to support them, because censorship is bad and makes me think there is a reason you don't want me to see this information. It immediately causes distrust in the institution that is trying to cover something up.
As far as I know, there are no major republican social media or tech companies, I may be wrong. This is why I lean to the right currently. When the government is working with the major disseminators of information, and it's proven that they're both censoring accurate information, and knowingly putting out false information, I'll vote right. Much safer to have the party in power not working with tech companies to tell us what reality is. Thankfully Musk bought Twitter so we have one major social media platform that is no longer working with the FBI.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
More misleading and generalizations.
Another low effort comment from me.
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
no I get all of that but at the end of the day Trump should have brought Snowden home. If Trump cared about the bill of rights, he would have brought Snowden home. Snowden betrayed his government. I get it. So did W. next question
kerenar@reddit
I agree which is why I think Trump is just as bad as the rest of them, I don't think he's any better. I lean republican because at least people are aware that they're a bunch of liars. Many people on the left think the democrats actually care about them, which is more dangerous than someone who is obviously a liar and everyone knows it.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
So what do you call the Democrats wanting to extend a child tax credit that Republicans voted against then?
kerenar@reddit
I call that garnering good will with voters so that they can continue passing bills that make their corporate donors happy. I'm not saying that democrats don't attempt to pass some good bills. I'm saying that on both sides 98% of politicians are in it because of the money, and until we all come together to make massive changes in our government to get legalized bribery out of the legislative process, we're going to continue having problems.
There are both democrats and Republicans who I like who address this issue. I like people for their views, not for their team. I liked tulsi when she was a Democrat, I like her now that she's not. Her views haven't changed. Same with RFK Jr. They left the party because it has changed from what it was. Look into Cenk Uygur from the young turks if you want a pure diehard democrat's view on things. I agree with him on many things, and he is a Democrat, but he doesn't like Biden or Harris or many of the democratic politicians in Congress either.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Can you name these bills under the Biden administration that they kept passing to make their corporate donors happy?
martini-meow@reddit
Look into the proposed "seventh party system" and especially the sixth party system:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Party_System
NoMoreNubs8705@reddit
What exactly was it that caused Trump to deserve removal, other than having an R after his name on C-Span? I realize that’s enough for gullible uniparty fans like you, but I’m looking for a little critical thought for once. Tall order on Reddit, I know.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Tried to extort another country to investigate his political opponent. (you know the think he swears the Dems are doing to him) - https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hres755/BILLS-116hres755enr.pdf
Incited an Insurrection. - https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/24
lil-sparky@reddit
Just for all those who know he is wrong don't want to be bothered going through and proving it.
Both documents linked is articles of impeachment. Hopefully we all know by now it's not indicative of guilt, just like an indictment that was filed by some entity. And surrounding this individual, we have seen many unlawful indictments.
Even using this commenters own definition of insurrection, this (article)[https://www.wsj.com/articles/stop-calling-jan-6-an-insurrection-capitol-riot-civil-disorder-insurgency-protest-first-amendment-11641417543] written by a contributor of the wsj, which is very much not a fan of Trump, shows in the first leading sentence, that a single protest, or if you want to be more forceful in your language, a riot, is not sufficent to qualify as an insurrection. The article does a good job going into how no one who entered the capital was charged, and why that was related to how it cannot be categorized legally as an insurrection. The commenter is just lying, hoping that what they say will become true.
Ibo-Naw@reddit
Ibo-Naw@reddit
And before you all claim it wasn't an insurrection, here is the definition of insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Here's some stats about January 6, 2021. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/36-months-jan-6-attack-capitol-0
diogenesthehopeful@reddit (OP)
https://creativetimereports.org/2013/06/25/surveillance-and-the-construction-of-a-terror-state/
{bold mine|
You have to know what to look for. If you really want to have a critical thought discussion with me, I highly recommend you watching this youtube first because if you are unwilling to do that, then that will demonstrate to me that you don't really want to get into any details.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2LVcu01QEU
For the record, I'm a Thomas Paine kind of guy:
ref: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/paine/#SoveLimi
If you've ever watched the Comey Rule on Netflix, it is a short and left leaning mini series about what happened early in Trump's administration. Anyway, after firing Comey, Trump went on TV and dared anybody to come after his administration. Ryan should have impeached him on the spot. That is the kind of person that Paglen is warning you about in the clip above. The NSA gives potus too much power and if you don't see that I think any critical thinker would be as scared as hell of a person like Trump or Harris having that kind of power. Trump isn't going to stop Israel and neither is Harris. If you are confused about that then watch this video. If was actually serious about Making America Great Again, the first thing he would have done when he was potus was disconnect us from Israel's grip. As you can see if you watched the story of how the veterans of the USS liberty and their surviving families still commemorate that horrible incident, even Johnson was, to a certain extent, under that grip. He couldn't, or was unwilling to protect us from Israel. Neither is Trump apparently.
Bye (no this isn't twitter so I got your message loud and clear)
longroadtohappyness@reddit
Any politician who proposes impeachment on day 1 of a term is anti-democratic and grandstanding. The OP also belongs in that group.