Why does KDE (most likely the only half-decent DE) still insists on this ridiculous situations where no UI element has a reasonable amount of padding? Even Microsoft figured that by now...
"Reasonable" as in follows basic design rules that any design undergraduate would be required to be aware of.
Visual elements are supposed to have paddings/margins between each other and follow certain proportions. In KDE even when you've a rounded border inside another they don't care about adjusting the radius.
If you say that GNOME is designed for touch screens and has to have all those margins, well that might be true, however macOS is NOT designed for touch and does the exact same thing since ever. Design is art but also a science and there are a ton of studies and reasons to do things in certain ways.
This is sad because KDE is a very solid, well developed and consistent DE but then it fails at basic UI/UX. Then we've GNOME that is mostly okay in UI/UX but is based on slow technologies, bad code and a bullshit "vision" that decides to remove desktop icons because it was hard to make them work properly or send people into a pointless view after login.
One of the reasons why Linux desktop is not really going anywhere is this mess of DEs meant to be highly customizable that end up being ugly, slow and inconsistent. Even KDE works all fine until you've to install some GTK/libadwaita app and you end up bringing half of GNOME's dependencies into your system and ending up with visual glitches and inconsistencies all over the place.
You can adjust many things with themes in KDE, they are not hard-coded
That's also true for GNOME and also the biggest problem with those DEs. All that customization comes at the cost of consistency and broken UIs. Development resources are spent on that instead of fixing things that are wrong and creating a consistent experience for users.
There's only so much developer resources available in these projects. Would you rather fix code that is crashing or adjusting spacing around some elements?
Thing is they don't even fix the things that crash. As I said they prefer to spend their dev resources on endless customization instead of creating a single, solid, consistent DE.
No, it was because of an edge case involving disparate features, Wayland, and genuine bitterly needed UX improvments in Plasma 6.1 (and the crash might have been in 6.0 or earlier as well, didn't test exhaustively).
Plasma is complicated and sometimes things interact in weird ways. This will take some serious QA to uncover in the first place, because only someone really digging hard will do the things that cause stuff to break .
Because... the core KDE teams gets payed for their job from multiple sources, I wouldn't. They decide their priorities to to reinvent the wheel and allow endless customization instead of fixing what's really wrong for the end user.
Alright, cool, you have an OS that is light years beyond anything that apple and ms have on offer, yet you are still whining and complaining instead of stfu and putting in a little energy to improve it. No one wants to hear about it, so piss off.
Free? Wtf are you talking about? KDE is funded by a bunch of private entities and also by EU money via the Next Generation Internet (NGI). EU money = EU taxpayer money = my money. Just because I don't have to pay to use doesn't mean I'm not paying in other ways.
Wait, you had to pay for Plasma and all the other completely amazing tools they've created?!?! Who duped you into doing that?... I'm appalled, good sir, utterly appalled!
Look, dude, I have problems too, but your obsession with this doesn't border on bizarre, it blasts far past it. Let it go. I'm blocking b/c I really don't care to ever engage with you again.
I have been keeping up with Plasma since 5.0 was out.
The improvement curve is insane. So many QoL features and niceties.
I can only imagine to which heights KDE Plasma would reach if it had big money being pumped into its development. If I ever win the lottery some of it goes to KDE development no doubt.
Even Wayland which was pretty bad for me on Plasma 5, on Plasma 6 it works as expected and it's pretty stable. I don't even have X11 session installed.
Interesting perspective. I mean, the improvement is great, but starting with 4.x/5.x sure helps seeing it as continuous progress. 3.x was so configurable that the feature parity wasn't achieved yet. But now it's somewhat nearing that level while being technologically modern!
Fixed a bug that caused animated cursors to only play their animation while the cursor was being moved when the system was falling back to or forced into using software cursors (Vlad Zahorodnii, Plasma 6.2.0. Link)
that's great! this has been bugging me for a while, glad to see it fixed! it's one of those annoying issues that are small enough where i didn't bother looking into it, but just big enough to annoy me whenever it happens :L
hats off to vlad and the KDE team at large for working so hard to fix every little bug, annoyance, misfeature, and shortcoming in plasma 6!
TCB13sQuotes@reddit
Why does KDE (most likely the only half-decent DE) still insists on this ridiculous situations where no UI element has a reasonable amount of padding? Even Microsoft figured that by now...
ilep@reddit
What is your definition of "reasonable"?
TCB13sQuotes@reddit
"Reasonable" as in follows basic design rules that any design undergraduate would be required to be aware of.
Visual elements are supposed to have paddings/margins between each other and follow certain proportions. In KDE even when you've a rounded border inside another they don't care about adjusting the radius.
If you say that GNOME is designed for touch screens and has to have all those margins, well that might be true, however macOS is NOT designed for touch and does the exact same thing since ever. Design is art but also a science and there are a ton of studies and reasons to do things in certain ways.
This is sad because KDE is a very solid, well developed and consistent DE but then it fails at basic UI/UX. Then we've GNOME that is mostly okay in UI/UX but is based on slow technologies, bad code and a bullshit "vision" that decides to remove desktop icons because it was hard to make them work properly or send people into a pointless view after login.
One of the reasons why Linux desktop is not really going anywhere is this mess of DEs meant to be highly customizable that end up being ugly, slow and inconsistent. Even KDE works all fine until you've to install some GTK/libadwaita app and you end up bringing half of GNOME's dependencies into your system and ending up with visual glitches and inconsistencies all over the place.
ilep@reddit
You can adjust many things with themes in KDE, they are not hard-coded. Take a look at QML and Qt stylesheets.
Personally, I dislike wasted space in modern UIs, that trend is a mistake in my opinion. But each to their own I guess.
TCB13sQuotes@reddit
That's also true for GNOME and also the biggest problem with those DEs. All that customization comes at the cost of consistency and broken UIs. Development resources are spent on that instead of fixing things that are wrong and creating a consistent experience for users.
ilep@reddit
There's only so much developer resources available in these projects. Would you rather fix code that is crashing or adjusting spacing around some elements?
It is about priorities.
TCB13sQuotes@reddit
Thing is they don't even fix the things that crash. As I said they prefer to spend their dev resources on endless customization instead of creating a single, solid, consistent DE.
cwo__@reddit
From experience, I can tell you that this is not the case.
I reported a new, easily reproducible crash last week, and it was fixed in less than a day.
TCB13sQuotes@reddit
Yes, and why did you had to report a "new, easily reproducible crash last week"? Because they decided to reinvent things that were okay.
cwo__@reddit
No, it was because of an edge case involving disparate features, Wayland, and genuine bitterly needed UX improvments in Plasma 6.1 (and the crash might have been in 6.0 or earlier as well, didn't test exhaustively).
Plasma is complicated and sometimes things interact in weird ways. This will take some serious QA to uncover in the first place, because only someone really digging hard will do the things that cause stuff to break .
ilep@reddit
That is nonsense. They are working hard on things.
One thing is KDE project is moving from old elements into Kirigami-elements so there are still some old along with new until they are completed.
ryanabx@reddit
Why not join the KDE VDG on matrix and get involved?
TimeFourChanges@reddit
B/c it's SOOO much easier to whine and complain and sound superior than it is to be quiet and help improve things.
TCB13sQuotes@reddit
Because... the core KDE teams gets payed for their job from multiple sources, I wouldn't. They decide their priorities to to reinvent the wheel and allow endless customization instead of fixing what's really wrong for the end user.
TimeFourChanges@reddit
Alright, cool, you have an OS that is light years beyond anything that apple and ms have on offer, yet you are still whining and complaining instead of stfu and putting in a little energy to improve it. No one wants to hear about it, so piss off.
TCB13sQuotes@reddit
Free? Wtf are you talking about? KDE is funded by a bunch of private entities and also by EU money via the Next Generation Internet (NGI). EU money = EU taxpayer money = my money. Just because I don't have to pay to use doesn't mean I'm not paying in other ways.
TimeFourChanges@reddit
Wait, you had to pay for Plasma and all the other completely amazing tools they've created?!?! Who duped you into doing that?... I'm appalled, good sir, utterly appalled!
TCB13sQuotes@reddit
Good look for the funding sources of KDE. I'm appalled you haven't yet. :)
TimeFourChanges@reddit
Look, dude, I have problems too, but your obsession with this doesn't border on bizarre, it blasts far past it. Let it go. I'm blocking b/c I really don't care to ever engage with you again.
SitaroArtworks@reddit
How stable the KDE shell will be?
vanwaldi@reddit
I have been keeping up with Plasma since 5.0 was out.
The improvement curve is insane. So many QoL features and niceties.
I can only imagine to which heights KDE Plasma would reach if it had big money being pumped into its development. If I ever win the lottery some of it goes to KDE development no doubt.
nightblackdragon@reddit
Even Wayland which was pretty bad for me on Plasma 5, on Plasma 6 it works as expected and it's pretty stable. I don't even have X11 session installed.
kansetsupanikku@reddit
Interesting perspective. I mean, the improvement is great, but starting with 4.x/5.x sure helps seeing it as continuous progress. 3.x was so configurable that the feature parity wasn't achieved yet. But now it's somewhat nearing that level while being technologically modern!
Accomplished-Sun9107@reddit
Font rendering is incredible now. I don’t know how they managed it, but Plasma is amazing!
ninzus@reddit
i am donating a small € amount every year, it's not much but i think everything helps
Cultural_Bug_3038@reddit
How about XFCE?
Small-Movie3137@reddit
How about Mate?
DeleeciousCheeps@reddit
that's great! this has been bugging me for a while, glad to see it fixed! it's one of those annoying issues that are small enough where i didn't bother looking into it, but just big enough to annoy me whenever it happens :L
hats off to vlad and the KDE team at large for working so hard to fix every little bug, annoyance, misfeature, and shortcoming in plasma 6!