AMD X870 motherboards listed overseas start at $350 — premium X870E models may retail close to $800
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SpinWard7@reddit
Which sites over seas have these boards listed?
KittensInc@reddit
The most insulting part is that they aren't even new chipsets either. It's exactly the same Promontory 21 chip they use (either solo or dual) on everything down to the A620 boards. Literally the only difference is that they mandate how some of its features are used.
The chipset is starting to become a serious limitation to the platform, and I don't think there's a single board out there which is anything more than a "meh" feature-wise. You're going to have a lot of trouble convincing me they're worth $350, and they are definitely not worth $800 - at that point you're far better off getting a Threadripper one with actually decent features!
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
In what way is the chipset limiting?
Tuna-Fish2@reddit
The 4x PCIE 4.0 link between the chipset and the CPU kind of chokes the platform if you want to run a lot of IO from the chipset. The lanes are 5.0 on the CPU side, so if the chipset supported that too, they could get a 2x speed boost on it.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
Due to AM5 CPUs having more PCIe lanes directly from the CPU, it's not really an issue imo. You still get plenty of connectivity, as you can see by the connectivity X870 boards offer.
As far as I can tell the main downsides are that M.2 slots from the chipset are limited to Gen 4 and if you use multiple very high bandwidth devices (Gen 4 M.2 SSDs) at once they will have to share the bandwidth. Apart from that I really don't see an issue with Gen 4 to the chipset. Though tbf considering the prices of these boards it should have been Gen 5.
KittensInc@reddit
The problem is that you can't really make proper use of it.
Yes, there's 24 lanes total. 4 of those are pretty much guaranteed to be dedicated to an M.2 slot, and you're almost certainly using it like that. The other 4 are probably dedicated to a second M.2 slot - although some seem to use it for a NIC or USB controller as well.
That leaves 16 Gen5 lanes intended for the GPU. In practice there aren't any Gen5-capable GPUs out there, so you're running those at Gen4. Luckily Gen4 x16 is plenty, so no need to worry about that.
However, if you want to plug in something like a 25Gbit network card, you have to split that into two x8 slots! Suddenly your GPU gets Gen4x8 - which although usually fine can in some cases impact performance. Want to use a third PCI-E card? It gets split into 8x / x4 / x4, and you suddenly don't have enough bandwidth for that network card - because it only supports Gen2 or Gen3 and really needs all 8 lanes.
So that's still fine, I guess. You can throw in a single decent NIC or HBA or whatever. Not the end of the world. And indeed, the onboard connectivity isn't too shabby for more casual use. But, that's not what I expect from a high-priced top-of-the-line build!
If you're lucky that third PCI-E slot is actually connected to the chipset instead and gets x4 as well - although x2 or even x1 aren't unheard of either. But that means it's now sharing that one Gen4x4 connection with two SSDs, some USB-C controllers, SATA drives, a network card, wifi, and who knows what else. Everything gets attached to the chipset, and it can't provide anything wider than x4. You simply can't attach a 25G NIC to that: that Gen4x4 might have the bandwidth, but a last-gen enterprise NIC requires Gen3x8.
When I'm building a top-of-the-line workstation, I want to run four SSDs in a RAID 10 setup and add a 25G NIC - without two of those SSDs getting the equivalent of a Gen4 x2 if you're lucky. I want to add a NIC and a HBA. I also want to have the option of adding a USB-C expansion card, or a sound card, or a converter for enterprise SSDs, or a video capture card!
So yes, the total bandwidth available from the CPU across all 24+4 lanes is more than enough, but I can't make proper use of it. I'd rather see a chipset with a Gen5x8 uplink, or two chipsets with their own Gen5x4 uplink to the CPU. Beef them up to support some extra downlink lanes, and give them support for x8 links, and they'd actually be useful for workstations.
Until then your only realistic option is a Threadripper board. Something like this isn't even that much more expensive - and it provides six PCI-E Gen5 x16 slots! I don't even care that it has 2x 10G NICS onboard, and 4x Gen5 M.2 slots, and 2x Gen4x4 SlimSAS slots, and 2x 40G USB ports. Even if it were lacking all of that, there'd be pleeenty of expansion slots to add it. That's what I want from a high-end board.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
... you're looking at regular consumer boards? What?
You're listing stuff that does not matter to consumers but matters for workstation. And not only that, but specifically stuff that needs a lot of PCIe lanes. That's exactly what Threadripper and Sapphire Rapids are for. I never heard of a consumer using a 25GbE card, and definitely not multiple of those kinds of cards.
Yes correct, everything connected to the chipset shares the same link (PCIe 4.0 x4 is 64Gbps theoretical max). Which would realistically only matter if you actually exceed it in the real world.
Yes, the $800+ X870E boards can't justify their existence. They purely exist for whales that don't know much about PCs, or maybe for extreme overclockers.
I just do not see how AM5 chipsets are limiting for a consumer platform. They have the most connectivity we ever had on a mainstream platform.
KittensInc@reddit
Prosumer boards, yes. That's the price point they are targeting, so that's how I am judging them.
25Gb cards or even 40Gb ones are quite popular with homelabbers, you can get them second-hand for less than $50. It's what the server market is currently throwing out, so it's widely available for low prices. They aren't seeing a massive pickup in the consumer market yet because most boards simply don't have the lanes. Heck, fast SSDs are cheap enough that even second-hand 100Gb NICs are starting to look interesting...
And that PCI-E Gen4 x4 might turn into a limit quite a bit earlier than you'd expect. USB4 can do 40Gbps. Gen5 SSDs can (on paper) do 112Gbps, so a Gen5 SSD put into a USB4 enclosure can easily saturate that connection. But if you're copying it to an internal RAID 1 pair attached to the chipset, you're already being limited! I do agree that total bandwidth is less of an issue than lane count, but it's not exactly irrelevant either when you're building a PC intended to last a year or 5.
Yes, but most of that is a result of compromises and PCI-E switches. It has a lot of features, but you can't just pick & match due to hardware lane count limitations, and it lacks the slots to add anything they didn't think of. They threw in everything but the kitchen sink, and as a result you're left paying for a lot of stuff you don't need and you can't put in the stuff you do want.
To me a PCI-E x8 slot is worth more than two M.2 slots - because I can easily find an adapter card one way, but not the other. But sadly motherboard designers seem to have chosen the exact opposite approach.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
I don't know man. I don't see X870E as prosumer. It's a regular consumer platform. There is nothing new about very expensive consumer boards. We've had $800+ boards with even less PCIe lanes for ages.
roblef800@reddit
Yeah, the X platform has pretty much converted in a cash grabbing scheme from manufacturers, good luck with this obvious scam.
abir_valg2718@reddit
Went to look at Asus boards, and holy crap... AI Ready with ASUS AI Intelligence, AI Networking, AI Overclocking, AI Cooling, the DRAM slot retention force is enhanced by a whopping 57%, and most important of all, more dynamic RGB illumination for the signature ROG logo.
Guys, I'm sold. I'll take 2 of these.
TrueSugam@reddit
I hope it comes with an AI sticker and AI warranty as well otherwise its a deal breaker. I hope all my other hardware will be "AI" combatable to take advantage of all these AI features.
Winter_2017@reddit
DDR5 is already a pain to insert compared to DDR4. Is their anyone who had issues with their RAM falling out?
The-Choo-Choo-Shoe@reddit
I think it also has to do with memory stability, no? They said something about getting 100-200MHz higher clocks.
Meekois@reddit
DDR5 retention definitely needed improvement. Last week while rendering video my DRAM launched out of my mobo and became a projectile that killed my hamster.
Thank you Asus for adding this invaluable safety feature. RIP Popcorn.
jerryfrz@reddit
Popcorn a real one for tanking it and preventing further damage to your room
tagubro@reddit
I’m pretty sure the comment you replied to is /s.
PaulTheMerc@reddit
Please tell me all those "AI" things is you being sarcastic. Please.
Killmeplsok@reddit
Tbf Asus motherboard components has Q branding and that Ai branding since forever, my board from over 10 years ago had Ai suite or something
floydhwung@reddit
ASUS tried hard but it is really missing the AI-powered PS/2 port. How in the world?
The8Darkness@reddit
Whats funny is that all their AI stuff existed since like haswell times, but to this day isnt anything close to ai. It doesnt adapt, it just does what was preprogrammed.
homingconcretedonkey@reddit
This is 50% of the entire internet that says something is "AI"
The other 49.9% simply connects to the ChatGPT API.
Noreng@reddit
AI overclocking works by looking up the V/F curve of your particular CPU, then monitoring the load temps of your CPU to produce a cooler core. Once the cooler score is calibrated correctly, AI overclock will actually set an overclock that's fairly close to what you'll be able to hit yourself. If you get a crash while AI overclock is applied, the overclock will be adjusted with the new data.
In short, AI overclock isn't preprogrammed.
iyicanme@reddit
If it doesn't do 10 billion matrix multiplications to figure out what my fan speed should be, according to the 2003 overclockers.com article for Pentium 4 overclocking guide it scraped, halting my entire PC in the process, I don't want it.
abir_valg2718@reddit
Haha, I remember it on my 2011 P8P67 board (Sandy Bridge) - AI Overclock. They've been playing the long game. ASUS.NET AI Kilbots coming for you soon.
ApacheAttackChopperQ@reddit
Future AI BIOS updates will include all AI updates for AI hardware on the AI code.
COMPUTER1313@reddit
"Is the customer support also improved with AI?"
"The AI now auto-rejects all of your RMAs with excellent efficiency."
stonktraders@reddit
And how can they forget the AI-powered power button? The AI can decide when to power on itself
Bolaumius@reddit
How could you forget the AI powered AI?
sleither@reddit
I’m holding out for AI assisted passive m.2 cooling.
MumrikDK@reddit
Remember to activate the AI crosshair on your Asus AI monitor too.
Pedro80R@reddit
Ahh, good old AImbot...
kaszak696@reddit
I wonder if they fixed the junk AI shit to work with HVCI, on b650 motherboards you couldn't even launch the "AI Suite" thing with those security features enabled. Not that you should want to of course, but it was quite comical, a giant megacorp can't even make their bloatware work with the OS security features.
hyrumwhite@reddit
I’ll be sold when there’s an AI 24 pin connector
Jabba_the_Putt@reddit
AI cmos battery, AI sata ports, AI dust filter, AI...
patrickloli@reddit
AI stands for Asus Intelligence.Asus Intelligence Ready with Asus Asus Intelligence Intelligence. It's the new trend after the more X= better.
conquer69@reddit
No AI RGB, no buy.
Vushivushi@reddit
AISUS
yflhx@reddit
Perfect for my Ryzen AI CPU.
RephRayne@reddit
You'd need to be artificially intelligent to buy them.
kamikazecow@reddit
Only if the retention force is Ai driven
2_b_or_nt_2_b@reddit
Everyone waiting for x3d.. or is it me?
RedTuesdayMusic@reddit
Sure... 11800X3D, or whatever long it takes to move to 16-core on 1 CCD
bizude@reddit
$800 for a motherboard? Does it also wash my dishes and take out the trash?
COMPUTER1313@reddit
Am I old, or does $800 back in the day would be enough for a HEDT motherboard that has triple/quadruple RAM slots and other features normally associated with HEDTs?
167488462789590057@reddit
Yea, people think of nVidia when they think of tier names being put on lower and lower end products, but it happens all over the place. That you only have access to 20 PCIE lanes from the slots is pretty sad when you're spending more than a grand.
MeelyMee@reddit
Shit in my day that was dual socket server board money.
I remember when AMD was the good value platform.
INITMalcanis@reddit
Lets hope the market settles down to more reasonable prices. If not... there's nothing wrong with a B650.
MumrikDK@reddit
I swear, at most 5% of X owners need X. The rest are buying them because surely they need the top line to match their top line CPU or something.
167488462789590057@reddit
I mean, I want a proart just because it has multiple usb4 ports but keyly, because it has 2 nics, one of which is 10gbe which should be standard at this point.
It also has the best PCIE configuration I've seen on the current non HEDT cpus, so there are reasons to want the fancier boards.
CookiieMoonsta@reddit
The main grasp for me is the amount of USB ports. I want minimum 12-14 (including the 2-3 in the PC case). And for some reason now it costs a bollocks amount of money.
TheCookieButter@reddit
I'm going to be a lot more picky in my next motherboard choice. I have a B450 Tomahawk and without even filling the USB ports I'll get a warning about "USB resources" and have to re-plug something in from time to time.
PaulTheMerc@reddit
What the hell? Ive got a near ancient 4790k on a MSI z97 gaming 5 with windows 10, all the usb slots populated and I've never seen anything of the sort.
What's going on? Are you like writing to multiple USB drives at a time?
TheCookieButter@reddit
Just Keyboard, Mouse dongle, monitor connection (which has 2 usb in monitor), Bluetooth dongle, microphone.
I have 2 unpopulated USB-A and 1 USB-C in the mobo and 4 unpopulated case USB-A.
MrBubles01@reddit
Seems more like a "you" problem. I have a 5700x and the same mobo, but never got anything like that. I also use a USB extension with 4 ports, to run double kb&mouse plus a few external drives hooked up on the rest of the available ports.
LTT also did a test to see how many devices can be hooked up and it was... a lot, before it started to brake.
This is certainly not normal behaviour
TheCookieButter@reddit
Well that sucks because I haven't got a scooby-doo how to fix it. I have reset CMOS and updated BIOS a couple times but it still happens.
Rather I got an unlucky draw than it be a widespread issue, so at least there is that.
MrBubles01@reddit
Could be a windows issue. If you can I'd try booting linux from a USB and see if the issue persists.
TheCookieButter@reddit
I did have a Linux dual boot for a while. Don't remember seeing a similar USB warning, but not sure if I'd have gotten one on Ubuntu to begin with. It was too inconsistent an issue to say if it would have happened or not.
It happens infrequently enough now that I don't feel the need to troubleshoot it. I can endure another year of an occasional USB reinsert. Thanks though.
MrBubles01@reddit
If it is a hardware issue, I'd assume it should happen regardless of the OS. Not 100% sure though.
Yeah no problem, cheers 😁
EETrainee@reddit
Its a known problem with the early Ryzen platforms - there’ve been multiple “fixes” published via AGESA but I havent seen anything concretely resolve this.
CookiieMoonsta@reddit
Oh yeah, shitty controllers are also a thing now.
Keulapaska@reddit
B650 livemixer, 13+1 rear + internal headers, also currently quite cheap compared to other am5 boards for the specs it has. Sure not giga fast ports, so if you somehow need more than mass 2.0 then it's gonna cost a bit more with the array of 9+1 or 11+1 boards
Also usb hubs/extension cards exist, sure the pcie slots maybe used for something else i can get that, but is there something wrong with using hubs?
nathris@reddit
I run everything off of the single 10G USB-A port on the back connected to a dock. Much cleaner, and it makes maintenance easier because if I need to move my PC it's just the 1 usb cable, ethernet, and display cables.
Plus the dock will still work on my next PC, so all I really need for IO is a board with a single high speed usb connection.
Slippery_Molasses@reddit
What hub do you use? Any suggested brands/models?
nathris@reddit
I'm just using a cheap USB-C hub I got on AliExpress for $10. It has 5 type A ports and a type C. It's good enough for my keyboard, mouse dongle, Bluetooth dongle, and DAC.
I would suggest either going really expensive or really cheap. Either spend $100+ on something that is Thunderbolt/USB 4 or go under $20 on something with a bunch of 2.0 ports.
If you want something cheap on Amazon from a seller that isn't just some shell company selling rebadged Chinese e-waste then I would look at UGREEN. They are like Anker, only they didn't massively mark up their prices after all of their competition was purged from Amazon after the paid review scandal. (RIP Aukey and RAVpower, I still miss you)
atomicthumbs@reddit
how the hell am i supposed to plug in my firewire, analog video capture, 40gb NIC, and GPU with only 3 slots
MeelyMee@reddit
Why does it look like someone spilled orange and yellow paint all over it
PaulTheMerc@reddit
Does it ship with complementary mind altering substances to be consumed while building the pc? Damn.
CookiieMoonsta@reddit
I have gigabyte X…. Whatever (12700K), forgot the name, and I am not super happy with the BIOS.
CaphalorAlb@reddit
I accepted that I'll run most of my shit via hubs. It ends up being a bit nicer to cable manage as well. I use one port for my keyboard, mouse and headset, all run off of a hub I hid in a cable channel below the desk.
I have another hub at the side of the desk for plugging in my controller dongle and other dongle type things that I need to access more often (since they move to different devices). And for usb drives, I use the two ports on my case.
CookiieMoonsta@reddit
What kind of hubs do you have? I work with a laptop right now, using the hub in my V12 for minor things, but a proper fast speed hub would be awesome (I have external 2TB SSD case)
CaphalorAlb@reddit
Like I said, I mostly just use it for peripherals, where bandwidth is not a concern. All my storage is via a dedicated server in my home network.
With a laptop, I would just look for a proper dock to wire everything up, but I don't know your use case.
MumrikDK@reddit
My B550 is Gigabyte instead of MSI specifically because of amount of USB ports. I apparently use an unusual amount.
I've just come to accept I need a hub too - the vast majority of my connections are super basic anyway and would likely be served just fine by an early 2.0 port.
CookiieMoonsta@reddit
My big grasp is that sometimes USB hubs on MB are from like 3-4 different manufacturers and updating drivers on them is a shitshow.
Trashii_Gaming@reddit
If you don't need all of them be 3.0 or higher the aorus boards have a huge amount of USB ports for a lower price than the competitors.
Deadhound@reddit
Ye. I'm (most likely) gonna upgrade for the 3d chips. And can't ser any reason to go for the new mobos. Very expensive for little (or 0 for me) benefits
INITMalcanis@reddit
Very likely. I only glanced at the article because apparently B650s just don't have dual NICs like at least some B550s do.
79215185-1feb-44c6@reddit
My X370 board had dual NICs and only cost $220 at the time. I do everything wirelessly but I the market has gone really weird places. Now everyone wants specialty parts like 10GBe for things they can't even properly articulate.
INITMalcanis@reddit
All I really want is 2.5Gbit + 1Gbit like my £150 MSI Tomahawk has. I'm not clear on why this doesn't seem to be available on even higher end 670E boards. Of course I can get a PCIE 1 card but it just seems odd.
79215185-1feb-44c6@reddit
The focus is on providing Wifi + 1GBe or WiFi + 2.5GBe on the higher end boards now because of the ubiquity of M.2.
isotope123@reddit
Gotta have that 10GBe network card to make sure you're getting all of that 1 Gigabit internet speed you're paying for. /s
Xaan83@reddit
Yeah, but like an addon card is $30 so the manufacturers charging a $200 markup to put it directly on the board can shove it
isotope123@reddit
You're right, but my Aorus X470 Gaming 7 has a Realtek 1220 chip with Saber DAC, so really good motherboard sound. I'll be damned if I'm going back to using a Realtek 897, and buying a sound card just puts the price of B850 up to the cost of an X870. They got me.
COMPUTER1313@reddit
Meanwhile B450/350 and A320 board users: Pops a 5800X3D or 5700X3D into the socket and get roughly the same gaming performance of a 7700X and 9700X
Dressieren@reddit
I’d say that’s the most accurate take at it. I can see in the case of something like the base model gigabyte board that’s blanking on my mind that has a B650 model and X670 model that’s like a $20 increase that gives slightly better power delivery. Which isn’t even going to be that useful outside of the high end ryzen models.
bankkopf@reddit
X870 = B650E with mandatory USB4 controller, that’s it. Feature-wise, it makes more sense to buy a B650E board. If you need USB4 after the fact, just get an add-in card, accomplishes the same.
robotzor@reddit
I'm sitting over here in my rocking chair still looking for why I need usb3
dj_antares@reddit
Ever head of SSD? Display? USB4 can connect all of them.
Your USB2 can do what? Thumb drives?
Yebi@reddit
And that's only if you can spare a week or two to actually write something to them
Rentta@reddit
Most cheap USB 3 drives people buy are just as slow
robotzor@reddit
How are we doing that all today without 4
drhappycat@reddit
Last I looked there were very few choices in terms of usb4/tb4 pcie.
nicky94@reddit
Is there any tangible difference in performance/fps in games comparing top end new motherboards to say the B650?
CaphalorAlb@reddit
No.
At most you you might see a difference ein overclocking with better vrms and cooling solutions to keep your CPU more stable at a higher overclock. But I believe currently you'd have to go into extreme overclocking territory for it to become noticeable.
If the motherboard supports your CPU and has all the features/IO you need, it's probably fine.
The8Darkness@reddit
Basicly below at least ice water cooling, it doesnt matter. Maybe if AMD decides to release a 32 core chip on AM5 (which I doubt) the more expensive boards could show a noticable benefit. Sure you shouldnt put a 9950X into a bargain bin motherboard, but honestly even then you wont lose too much performance.
CaphalorAlb@reddit
Yeah, that was my understanding. I'm sure there are still boards out there that use sub-par VRM components, but I think with most reasonably priced motherboards you won't run into instability issues caused by your board.
The main differentiator for me is M.2 slots and USB ports. But most of what's possible there is determined by the chipset's capabilities anyway.
yabucek@reddit
No. The biggest difference is PCIe lanes, SATA ports and high speed USB, of which B650 has more than enough for any gamer. Besides that, X boards usually have better power delivery and in general better quality design / components, but that's just market segment dependent, not anything to do with the chipset.
And the most obvious advantage is that an more expensive board with an "X" in the name is more gamer, therefore more better.
drhappycat@reddit
How many more lanes do you get on 800 series?
jamvanderloeff@reddit
None, or minus four if you count the mandatory USB4 controller.
Jeep-Eep@reddit
Also the more recent designs have higher theoretical ram speed, which may or may not be relevant to later Zen, but probably not that much as you could just get a 3d SKU.
RonLazer@reddit
Not even true, given that the Asus X650 Gene exists, which is arguably the best overclocking board, but is equalled by the Asrock B650 HDV/M.2 which is one of the cheapest boards...so there really is no quality difference in board quality between chipsets even at the high end.
INITMalcanis@reddit
Connectivity, basically. For example, USB 4.
fiery_prometheus@reddit
Cries in PCIe lanes and Lane congestion
jaegren@reddit
Spoilers. It won't.
shroudedwolf51@reddit
I mean....we know that it will. People were up in arms about last gen 600-series and LGA1700 Lake board prices....and completely predictably, they came down in prices to planet sensible.
It's just a strategy to ensure last gen stock ends up filtering out of the market. Better to do that than to toss it all into the nearest bin.
gluon-free@reddit
For my 9950x i got X670 Tomahawk for only \~270$ and i am Russian, US/EU price could be even lower. There is no reason to go for overpriced 800 chipset unless USB 4.0 is mandatory for you.
Jeep-Eep@reddit
May be trying to get rid of lastgen stock.
Yourdataisunclean@reddit
Here's hoping for an Asrock Taichi Lite that does all the high spec things you need, none of the silly stuff you don't, and a few of the extra things you kinda want anyways for a decent price.
DarthV506@reddit
So on top of the meh launch of zen5, they are releasing overly expensive mobos? Didn't take long for things to go to AMD's head.
Guess one good thing about zen5, Microsoft might be forced to improve their OS.
Crank_My_Hog_@reddit
AMD doesn't dictate the pricing on the boards themselves. But let's just blame AMD anyway because that fits the typical anti-AMD sentiment around here.
Vb_33@reddit
They might be required for Zen 6 if AMD pulls another AMD.
Crank_My_Hog_@reddit
Yeah mean like the issue where the first gem boards had BIOS memory too small to support all of their CPU's? Unlikely. They seemed to have learned from that mistake.
Vb_33@reddit
I don't dislike AMD but I really didn't like when they pulled that move, they lost a lot of trust there.
Crank_My_Hog_@reddit
Pulled what move? They misjudged the storage requirements and said as much. Assuming they do this shit on purpose is the kind of dishonestly I have a problem with. Intel can sell millions of CPUs they know will fail, but shit AMD did years ago is being brought up again and again. Totally not biased.
dj_antares@reddit
Except AMD pulled AMD multiple times during AM4.
Crank_My_Hog_@reddit
That's not what happened. They removed support for other CPU's to fit in the more popular CPUs on those motherboard skews.
Again. Your bias is obvious by misrepresenting what happened and assuming it was malicious when the more likely answer was an oversight on their part that hasn't since been a problem. When your reasoning can't pass Hanlon’s Razor, then you don't have much except an overt bias.
Mean while, people are still bitching and moaning about AMD with these little issues while INTEL KNOWINGLY SOLD DEFECTIVE CPUS and they're doing nothing about it. How is that not on the front page every day at the top? It's the most anti-consumer shit I've ever see. Front page of the sub, right now, is how AMD prioritizes gaming. Funny that.
We can talk about both. It's not a dichotomy. However, I find it odd that this sub hangs on every single possible negative thread about AMD while Intel is actively fucking over customers, on purpose. And yes, they did it on purpose.
DarthV506@reddit
So they had nothing to do with the minimum specs?
And you're right, unless you need usb4 or PCIe gen5, stick with b650.
Maybe those new boards will drop by the time the zen5 x3d chips are released?
shroudedwolf51@reddit
Not sure about any particular time frame, but they will come down in price. People were up in arms over X670 and B650 being "way too much" when the market was trying to clear out well priced AM4 inventory. And it will not be that different for 800-series. Once the 600-series stock starts to dwindle, the 800-series will come down. That's just how it works.
Crank_My_Hog_@reddit
If you're going to make a price argument, then provide the line item costs. We don't know much much or any markup we're seeing on those boards.
nolivedemarseille@reddit
If true and these silly pricing show the same across the board of MB makers, I am obviously staying with my b550m 5800c3d combo for another generation
This is just by insane what asking price these new boards will be set at
Stennan@reddit
Well it is ASUS, so even their basic Prime boards that barely have any VRM/cooling are going for 300$.
I will be on the lookout for what Asrock are going to offer in the X870/B850 range. They are generally offering more powerful boards for 50$ less than ASUS counterparts.
Their 125$ B650 HDV board was solid and got high praise from HUB last gen. Hopefully they realize that there is a market segment that are looking for a similar product, as it was getting sold out regularly according to HUB.
IAteMyYeezys@reddit
Bought a Gigabyte B550 Gaming X around 3 years ago for $120 brand new. AM5 boards with similar features and looks cost around $100 more for what reason exactly?
Not tempted to switch to AM5 simply because motherboards are too expensive compared to last gen. And thats despite a 7800X3D being very close in pricing to a 5800X3D and DDR5 bein as cheap as DDR4, at least locally. Gonna get myself a 5700X3D whenever that becomes available again and ride AM4 for a long time.
Oinkidoinkidoink@reddit
Pfff, still rocking an MSI Tomahawk B450 (Version 1) with a 5800X3D. No RGB or AI bullshit. All the motherboard i need.
Dudi4PoLFr@reddit
FFS I just want a nice X870 mATX with 3+ M.2 ports and reasonable VRM...
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
Sounds like what you actually want is B650. You don't seem to care about any X870 features, so why do you want X870?
Dudi4PoLFr@reddit
I need a lot of fast USB ports on the back IO and PCI-E 5.0 for the GPU.
Keulapaska@reddit
What PCIE 5.0 gpus/devices exist? Even a 4090 barely needs 4.0.
And yea Matx on x870/x670 not a thing, probably cause very little point on having the option of extra connectivity when there is no space to fit it anywhere.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
The B650 Steel Legend Wifi has 6 fast USB ports (one of which type C) in the rear, 4 more USB 2 ports, Gen 5 on the GPU slot, 3 M.2 slots (1 Gen 5) and strong VRM
Dudi4PoLFr@reddit
It's a ATX board, and I by fast USB I mean 4.0.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
Oh right my bad. Yeah that doesn't exist on B650(E), you're right
Dudi4PoLFr@reddit
NP, thanks for your enthusiasm to help someone.
sumtwat@reddit
I nominate this for most awesome reply of the month.
Berengal@reddit
My needs are simple... 8 sata ports or two 16x PCIe slots connected to the CPU, plus the regular amount from the chipset. I just need to plug in a U.2 adapter card, an hba and a NIC, it shouldn't be this hard.
Keulapaska@reddit
The cpu:s themselves has 28 total lanes, so that's never happening. But if you mean just the slot needs to be x16, but not the bandwidth, cpu connected 16+4(sometimes x4 is only pcie 3 though as it's at the bottom) or some that split into 8+4 boards exist, dual x8 is a fair bit more pricey though and yea sata ports are becoming extinct in favor of m.2.
imaginary_num6er@reddit (OP)
You are in luck. ASUS essentially took all the X600 boards and cut 2 SATA ports from it for the X800. Since MSI's GodLike and AsRock's Taichi leaks also cut 2 SATA ports, there are no more boards that have 8 SATA ports on the high end.
jedidude75@reddit
Converting the overseas pricing to USD is always hit or miss, I wouldn't put too much stock in this until we see actual USD price leaks.
Yebi@reddit
Converting pre-release placeholder prices to real ones is even more of a hit-or-miss, even in the same store
shroudedwolf51@reddit
Or, better yet, actual shelf prices.
ADtotheHD@reddit
There's an easy solution to this, people can vote with their wallets.
No_Pollution_1@reddit
Maybe if there wasn’t only a handful of companies and they weren’t all jacking prices in unison. Free market doesn’t work with oligopolies, it’s not tomatoes it’s licensed tech. You pay to play or you don’t play.
Hendeith@reddit
It seems you don't understand what voting with your wallet means, just as gamers don't.
Lapel1082@reddit
Ig we're f*ked then.
surf_greatriver_v4@reddit
there's too many people out there with big wallets for this to work
MumrikDK@reddit
and those people seem to vote a lot with them.
Jebediah-Kerman-3999@reddit
Yep! There's way too many that think that protesting an unfair price is because everyone else is poor. I could afford this shit but I'm not going to buy it because the price doesn't match the quality and the customer service.
Real-Human-1985@reddit
People already do, that's why people buy the expensive boards and the cheap onesa. not everyone is on a survival budget FOMO'ing over the nicest PC's that they really can't afford.
Joseph011296@reddit
Pretty happy that I just picked up a great condition open box B650E Taichi for $190 at Micro Center lol
jaegren@reddit
Got my asus x470 board back in the day for 300€ with vat at release. It served me thru the whole am4 generation. Now Asus and other manufacturers want more then double, almost triple for the same type of boards. GTFO.
siraolo@reddit
Well, I was thinking of upgrading to a Z series for next build after sticking to a B550 Aorus Master for some time, but given the price, it looks like I'm going to stick to Aorus B850 Master when it comes out if the reviews are good.
Weird_Rip_3161@reddit
I remember motherboards usually that cost over $800 are made for extreme overclocking competition, such as EVGA's motherboard.
LynchDaddy78@reddit
I'm confused. Who's this guy named AL? Cheers 🥃
Astigi@reddit
Not worth the price, there are not extra bandwidth, just same B650E chipset with forced features.
Cheaper B650E boards are the smart choice
Canindian@reddit
Get an Asrock B650E Taichi Lite for $240 if you need USB 4. Otherwise none of these are worth it
bubblesort33@reddit
There is an $800 board every generation. No big deal.
ga_st@reddit
X870E is basically X670E with USB 4 and X870 is B650E with USB 4, right?
These people have lost their goddamn minds.
Allan_Viltihimmelen@reddit
Yeah, no.
The big mistake AMD and their partners made was mocking the price up on AM5 too much. The AM4 are still selling because its dirt cheap and still competing with the CPUs of today. Especially the 5---X3D CPUs are top sellers still.
thegenregeek@reddit
It's got to be a case of them factor in what they perceive as lost sales.
With AM4 the fact that there's basically 5 years worth of support meant less returning purchases. As system builders didn't have to buy new boards and only needed new CPUs (Instead of 2-3 purchases ever 5 years, you had the potential for 1 over 5+)
Since these OEMs probably see that as occurring with AM5, they want to head that off now. So they want to raise prices now and make back the "lost" sales.
Of course in doing so, the are basically inflating the price for components and playing right into the market dynamics they are trying to avoid.
Allan_Viltihimmelen@reddit
It's a very bad business plan that you don't do enough to attract customers buying your new stuffs when the old remains superior for a customer's point of view. The 7000 series did terrible until the launch of their X3D variant.
Yes, AMD has the best gaming CPU on the market but the second best and its included platform costs less than half the price for like 15-20% of the less performance.
As we live in trying times, we opt for the cheaper best option. AMD should make the pricing more reasonable matching their AM4 platform to encourage people with more hope to opt for the newer line-up.
TerriersAreAdorable@reddit
You can get good B-series boards for under $150. Saves a lot of budget for a GPU or other components.
Jeep-Eep@reddit
Which is probably the plan right now, to get rid of that remaining stock.
prnalchemy@reddit
Just dropped my new 9950X in a ASRock B650 Steel Legend Wifi and she's happy as heck about it.
Real-Human-1985@reddit
"AMD X870 boards same prices as X670 boards."
Nointies@reddit
which were also outlandishly expensive.
Rentta@reddit
Indeed and nowdays at least in my market entry level decent X670 boards are often only 10-20€ more expensive than their B650 counterparts
jdm121500@reddit
TLDR: Keep buying b650 instead, and if you actually want/need decent IO just get Z890 when Arrowlake releases.
Healthy_BrAd6254@reddit
The X870 Aorus A Elite Wifi 7 costs 320€ here
Can someone explain to me why this board has a 6-layer and Mid-loss PCB, when the 175€ B650 Aorus Elite has an 8 layer low-loss PCB?
It's nice that the X870 is getting all PCIe Gen 5 (3 Gen 5 M.2 and Gen 5 GPU), with Wifi 7 and 2x USB 4. But surely we're not getting a downgraded PCB at 2x the price, right?
BurgerBurnerCooker@reddit
Sounds about right for every new gen first release (mid to flagship models). There will be more affordable options and discounts will start. It's just MSRP (converted ones at best) folks, chill
Jeep-Eep@reddit
This is a fairly obvious attempt to offload lastgen boards, if accurate.
AHrubik@reddit
It might work. I for one have no intention of buying X6xx anything though. I'm going to upgrade to 9xxxX3D (5xxx) with an X8xx board but I'll wait till the UEFI is more mature and they've worked most of the bugs out.
UsedSquirrel@reddit
Is USB 4.0 better-er enough to buy these? Or is there some amazing feature I missed.