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Posted by ENVYisEVIL@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 159 comments
Posted by ENVYisEVIL@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 159 comments
trytoholdon@reddit
One country is invading the other unprovoked. Yes, they’re the bad guys. It’s not that hard.
ShadowPrezident@reddit
Is Russia in the wrong? Yes. Is it right to dehumanize foreign soldiers who were probably drafted in the first place? No
SARS2KilledEpstein@reddit
What if the other country invaded because the elected leaders of a region asked after voting for independence and the countries military started attacking them in response?
Cpzd87@reddit
fucking exactly, I don't know if people just want to believe in some grand conspiracy or something or they just always believe that everything they hear in the media is a lie. but this is basically as white and black as it gets, Russia has literally been doing this to Europe since the beginning of time. Putins justification is literally that Ukraine is rightfully Russia, the NATO excuse is just a half hearted cover.
illitaret@reddit
You are misunderstanding that entire idea of the post. The people of Russia didn’t vote to go to war with Ukraine. By dehumanizing them you are no better than Putin.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
💯
ReverendSerenity@reddit
what is appearently very hard is not confusing government with the pawns
Tim_Aga@reddit
There is a substantial difference between bad guys and dehumanization
Alternative-Appeal43@reddit
That has to be AI. Dude on the right looks like a PS3 character, their proportions are uncanny, skin textures are way funky, lighting and angle are exactly the same, and they look like dude on the left evolved in to the dude on the right. I'm saying AI
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
What does it being AI or real have anything to do with the lefty on the X post mocking them?
He thinks it’s real.
Alternative-Appeal43@reddit
Am I not allowed to make an observation?
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
That’s not the point.
The point is statists mocking POWs (whether it’s fictional or real) and dehumanizing them.
Alternative-Appeal43@reddit
(whether fiction or real) then it's propaganda
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
And whether or not it is propaganda is besides the point.
Dehumanizing the other side—regardless as to which side it is—is the problem.
Vinylware@reddit
In war typically there is no good guy, only corrupt governments forcing their populations to kill one another.
lastwindows@reddit
This is the type of racist banter that has been used on Russians from Europeans for hundreds of years. Apparently, evolution has still not touched many Europeans despite their phony equality and equity talk.
petateom@reddit
Agent-Steel@reddit
Yea, there has been so much racism against Russians because of this war. I’m guessing the same person saying this has a problem with the US saying racist shit against the Japanese during WWII.
PrisonerNoP01135809@reddit
Those are not comparable at all. While I agree we shouldn’t dehumanize people. We aren’t exactly throwing Russian Americans in camps(source I’m married to a Russian) we haven’t experienced any racism. I work in cybersecurity and have a Russian last name. I haven’t experienced any discrimination due to it.
DJM4991@reddit
Yet.
Jokes aside, I hope it remains that way, friend. :)
BadWowDoge@reddit
Yeah it’s not the Russian people’s fault. Just like us Americans, most don’t care for war or have any interest in it. It is decided by idiots in office going after oil and big defense contracts.
Elfthis@reddit
What exactly does this post have to do with libertarian topics?
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Libertarians are consistently ant-war.
Democrats and Republicans are not.
Cpzd87@reddit
there is a time and a place for war, when a hostile force invades your country you are allowed to war. I don't see how this is so hard to understand. there is very clearly a good and evil here.
MyDogOper8sBetrThanU@reddit
Yeah it’s one thing to take issue with the amount of aid America is spending, it’s another to “bOtH siDeS” the Ukrainian invasion.
DropshipTrooper@reddit
Facts, tired of seeing Russian apologists pose as Libertarians. Even from a libertarian perspective, if someone invades your country, you should retaliate.
Suspicious-Bug1994@reddit
Sure. But not by enslaving your entire male population like dictator Zelenskiy is doing.
Suspicious-Bug1994@reddit
Mad how many downvotes I received here.
Anti-draft is like one of the main tenants of libertarianism, as it is akin to slavery, violates strongly freedom of movement, and is in opposition to freedom to make decisions on one's own life.
DropshipTrooper@reddit
I think that’s fair. I agree that voluntary military service is indeed preferable. But saying a country should be conquered rather rather than conscript is totally infeasible in the real world. I certainly beleive conscription should never happen for offensive wars/interventions, but if there is a real threat to a country being invaded, it is a message evil, even to the individual, lest he find himself in a new Ukraine that does not see conscription as a message evil and as a duty to the motherland.
Suspicious-Bug1994@reddit
If my country was invaded, I would give jack shit and relocate to another. Because I have zero obligations to a state, I as a free individual should be free to make decisions on whether or not I'd like to die for a cause I might not believe in.
If I was hindered to relocate due to being enslaved by my country, that would be a gross violation of my natural rights, and it would be as anti-libertarian as it is possible to get. How anyone can defend this and claim to be a libertarian is beyond me.
DropshipTrooper@reddit
I think most people would emigrate, myself included. However, it’s not always a realistic option. Being libertarian does not mean that all government everywhere must be eradicated, as that is an infeasible and unrealistic worldview. It means the government should be as small as possible in order to function effectively. I do agree that people should in a perfect world choose the cause they can die for, but I believe that this will not happen feasibly, and fighting for a country rather than being subjugated is your best option in that scenario.
Suspicious-Bug1994@reddit
It won't come as a shock to you, but I disagree 😉
However, we surely must have some state-like-institution institution, but I believe it should be 100% voluntary to fight for it.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if another country subjugated mine, it would probably be a good thing. I'm from the most dystopian authoritarian socialist shithole imaginable, so literally any other country would be preferable and provide me with more personal freedom.
So if the dystopian shithole I'm from the forces me, and that I hate, force me to fight for it, it would be wrong on so many levels.
Forced conscription is a gift to corrupt politicians, as their subjects would always be forced to fight for preserving their power, regardless of how shitty the country is.
So in effect, forced conscription removes the accountability of the rulers, as the people being ruled don't even need to like their country and be willing to preserve it, they have to.
DropshipTrooper@reddit
I agree that drafting is bad, but is there much choice in Zelensky's situation? Besides, Russia has been doing it to a greater extend and for longer than Ukraine, even before the war.
Suspicious-Bug1994@reddit
If people don't want to fight for their country voluntarily, then it's not worth preserving.
Seems like many Ukrainian men willingly signed up, and with patriotic sentiment running strong there, I think they'd be fine.
ExplorerEnjoyer@reddit
Sending countries billions of dollars to extend the war is not libertarian
guerillasgrip@reddit
You mean to help fight an aggressive foreign army run by an authoritarian dictator that invaded a neighboring country?
ExplorerEnjoyer@reddit
Precisely
guerillasgrip@reddit
So why didn't you say that?
ExplorerEnjoyer@reddit
Because my statement applies to all countries receiving taxes from my own, not just Ukraine
guerillasgrip@reddit
So if another Holocaust is going on and 10 million people are getting gassed in ovens, you're cool with that.
ExplorerEnjoyer@reddit
Today I learned want to keep my tax dollars in the border makes me a Nazi lolol
guerillasgrip@reddit
Today you certainly learned how to not answer a question and deflect entirely.
ExplorerEnjoyer@reddit
That silly question got a silly answer
guerillasgrip@reddit
You're the one that stated you never want to spend a dollar outside the border. Guess that was a silly statement.
ExplorerEnjoyer@reddit
You go to political subreddits you don’t agree with to argue, go outside instead of being a silly goose
guerillasgrip@reddit
Good argument there bro. A+ support of your position.
Elfthis@reddit
The picture nor the commentary convey that at all.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
It’s in the title and the bottom comment. It’s not that complicated.
Feweddy@reddit
Lmao pot meet kettle. Who’s the tankie calling “both sides” on a literal war of aggression.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
I hate how Russia moved his border all the way up to NATO’s border. Why would they do that? /s
Just because you don’t understand the cause of Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine doesn’t mean that the U.S. and its NATO allies were righteous and innocent.
Instead of being narcissistic, get smart and objectively listen to both sides:
https://original.antiwar.com/scott/2022/03/02/the-history-behind-the-russia-ukraine-war/
Putin is bad, and NATO expansion was also bad.
Ever hear of the quote “Nyet means nyet?”
HJSkullmonkey@reddit
Buddy, it's not Nato that got attacked. Ukraine was offered Nato membership and rejected it.
Putin, consummate imperialist, believes his rightful border is as far west as he can make it; at the very least at Poland and Romania, or beyond if he can manage it. He's happy to use violence to get his way. Everything we criticise the US for, Russia is trying to be, but with greater state control, more corruption, and more explicit political violence.
Ukraine is a poor shithole riddled with corruption and historically tied to Russia, a slightly less poor but equally corrupt shithole. Russian influence and money has sat on the Ukrainian economy and politics for a century, and a lot of them are fed up with it. They have promoted political corruption to strip the country of its wealth.
This shouldn't be a difficult concept for a libertarian to understand.
Some of us are listening to Putin and his mates, and believe him when he talks about his desire to bring the empire back
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Iran never attacked the U.S. either. That doesn’t mean that the U.S. is innocent and did not play a hand in leading to authoritarians coming to power.
The CIA overthrough the democratically elected prime minister of Iran (Mosadeq) and installed the pro-West Shah of Iran in the 1950’s.
When the Shah of Iran was overthrown, it was taken over by the anti-Western Islamic Republic.
The Islamic Republic funds terrorism in Lebanon, Iraq, Gaza, and Israel.
Does that mean they the U.S. and its foreign policy are innocent? No.
Cause and effect.
The current U.S. president’s (aka The Big Guy) son was paid millions of dollars in bribes by Burisma—a Ukrainian gas company—after the U.S. toppled not one but two of Ukraine’s democratically elected leaders.
Those democratically elected leaders were pro-Russian.
Russia invaded Ukraine (violation of the NAP) a few years ago.
Does that mean they the U.S. and its foreign policy are innocent? No.
Again, cause and effect.
Putin imperialist, U.S. not imperialist?
More like: both Putin and the U.S. are imperialist.
Putin has never said
You’re falling for all of then statist propaganda. Could Putin invade Poland and Romania?
Yes, maybe, or no. What advantage would Putin have by invading either of those two countries given the tremendous losses Russian has already suffered in Ukraine?
There were plenty of off-ramps that could have prevented this war, and ended it years ago.
Boris Johnson derailed the last attempt at negotiating a peace deal, and the war in Ukraine has continued ever since.
Endless war is not the answer. Thinking that Ukraine—a country that has banned elections and dissenting news media—requires defending at all costs, even if it means World War 3, is asinine.
If you want to fight it, then don’t be a keyboard warrior. Go there and fight it.
It’s none of the U.S.’ business. The U.S.’ foreign policy is part of the problem, as I already explained in my earlier post.
Not worth engaging in World War 3. It’s not the U.S. and the more the U.S. interferes, then worse off everyone becomes.
What’s difficult for you to understand is the actual anti-war argument.
Did you read the article that I originally responded with?
The History Behind The Russia-Ukraine War” by Scott Horton on March 2, 2022
You have to be intellectually curious to understand the libertarian answer.
And your solution is to blindly follow to a sitting U.S. president with dementia that goes by the nickname “The Big Guy” when getting bribed by foreign nations?
Did you also listen to Putin when he said “Nyet means Nyet?”
A little bit of thinking outside of the propaganda wouldn’t hurt you.
HJSkullmonkey@reddit
I'm not American, and I'm not defending America. Your country has a long history of this shit too, and will no doubt continue to do so. But a stopped clock is right occasionally.
The libertarian answer is rooted in the principle of non-aggression. That doesn't mean non-violence at the expense of caving to tyrants like Putin. Trying to portray Russian aggression as somehow justified is misguided at best, imperialist apologia more likely.
Ukrainians have a lot of mistrust in their government, learned but that's led many of them to take matters into their own hands, while Russians pretend it's not happening, and if it is it's justified like a bunch of imperialist cucks. You could learn from their example.
Stop gobbling Putin's nob, he's a cunt that would rather burn Ukraine to the ground than see anyone else have access, so that he and his mates can continue to rob it. Simping for foreign politicians isn't libertarianism, any more than domestic ones.
I have no problem with arming people to do their own fighting. Again, that's an easy argument for a libertarian to understand.
On the facts:
The statist propagandists that told me his motivations live in Russia. When asked why he invaded by Tucker Carlson, his response was to waffle for an hour about centuries of Russian imperial history, virtually nothing on NATO, and he's equated himself with both the Soviet Union and Tsarist Russia at times.
2013 was sparked by a decision to further tie Ukrainian trade tariffs to Russia by joining a customs union under Russian control, rather than what most people wanted, which was a free trade deal with the EU. That decision was a murky backroom deal, just like the one you point to with Hunter Biden. It resulted in half of Yanukovich's own party voting him out.
Boris Johnson didn't derail negotiations, Russian state-owned media did when their response to the massacre in western Ukraine was to justify it and claim a lot more would be necessary. That particular piece of genocidal rhetoric was written by one of Viktor Yanukovich's advisors, by the way. Bojo's public support probably helped, but it was by no means the leading factor. They were already fighting tooth and nail.
World War 3 isn't going to happen over Ukraine.
And finally, warmongers target libertarians and pacifists in other countries for propaganda to get them to let it happen. There's a long history of it. Be a little more suspicious of people telling you Putin's just defending what's his. It's not true.
Schtekarn@reddit
Really out here defending Russia lmao
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Being anti-war is not pro one side or the other. It’s pro both sides.
No more instigating wars, no more regime changes, no more endless wars, no more funding of then murderous military industrial complex.
Schtekarn@reddit
You can be anti war while still acknowledging that one party is at fault and that Russia could simply leave Ukraine and the bloodshed would end. Ukraine is exercising the right to armed self defense, what would you do if your neighbor broke into your house?
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Russia didn’t break into my house.
Russia broke into the house of a neighboring country—after the U.S. and its neighboring allies expanded NATO all the way to its border and after the U.S. toppled not one but two pro-Russia Ukrainian democracies.
It’s none of my business or yours.
If you want to fight it, go fight it with your own hands and tax dollars.
Schtekarn@reddit
I’m not arguing for sending any money anywhere. I’m simply stating that Russia and Ukraine are not on equal moral footing - and that Russia is an instigator and are in the absolute wrong. That is something you refuse to do, and continue this “oh but both sides are equally bad” bs when clearly Russia could end their terrible war today.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
What a weird false equivalency.
You never asked me to answer the question about equal moral footing. Do not put words in my mouth.
Russia is bad. Russia should not have been invaded.
Ukraine has the right to defend itself.
Everything the U.S. did before and after the invasion helped provoke is making it worse.
If you want to understand the history of the Ukraine-Russia conflict, what the U.S. did to make everything worse, and how multiple off-ramps to peace negotiations have been thwarted then nightly recommend reading Scott Horton’s excellent article on
AntiWar.com’s “The History Behind The Russia-Ukraine War” written by Scott Horton.
You would come to the conclusion of the counter-argument being “oh but both sides are equally bad” only if you put zero effort into actually understanding the opposing argument.
NegativeSpeedForce@reddit
Just wanted to add. Fuck you!
PrisonerNoP01135809@reddit
If your neighbor is given a plot of land next to your house, or deciding to share home defense with your neighbor, do you start building on your other neighbors land at gun point? Russia is committing a clear NAP violation. If a property owner wants to enter in a mutual agreement, it’s not your business.
A long time ago when the U.S. disarmed Ukraine of nukes the U.S. promised to defend Ukraine. The U.S. doesn’t even have boots on the ground. This is a clear violation of that promise. Yet republicans/bots like you will continue to justify Russia violating NAP.
takeyouraxeandhack@reddit
Any county is free of voluntarily joining a self defense alliance.
If anyone pressured them into joining NATO, it was Russia by systematically invading all of its neighbors since the USSR fell.
PrisonerNoP01135809@reddit
Look through their history, a lot of anti Kamala, no anti Trump, this person is a spicy republican. This guy may even be a Russian bot.
Feweddy@reddit
lol fucking tankie
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Stop projecting, dumb 💩
Feweddy@reddit
NATO doesn’t have borders. It’s litteraly an alliance, not a sovereign entity.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Any alliance of Soverign entities that Russia (a hostile entire) deems as a threat.
No response to “nyet means nyet?” Just ignore and deflect?
I’m assuming you haven’t read the article either.
Who needs facts when being self-righteous is more important? /s
Cpzd87@reddit
I'm with the tankies on this one, what you are saying literally makes no sense.
RedSun41@reddit
It’s ok, op will just share a meme saying he’s smarter than everyone to clear it up
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Great rebuttal. I’m sure the quality of your responses will improve when you move out of mommy’s basement.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
You were with the tankies before that one as well, genius
incomparability@reddit
What is this, a war for ants?
rspeed@reddit
Do you think the people who support Ukraine are pro-war?
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
I support Ukrainian civilians and Russian civilians.
I despise all governments—including those that aggress through invasion (Russia), those that engage in corruption (Ukraine), and those that topple foreign governments through their intelligence agencies and fan the flame of war (U.S.).
rspeed@reddit
Odd that you only seem to post about people who support Ukraine.
yourparadigm@reddit
Libertarians believe in the non-aggression principle, not pacifism.
BaronBurdens@reddit
War is the health of the state, and this kind of propaganda, state-sponsored or not, encourages support for war.
JumboRug@reddit
People don’t realize how truly awful war can make a human look. Look back at old photos of WW1 soldiers that were in trenches, they are living in awful conditions for long periods of time. It’s no wonder they look like shit. That’s war. People are so dumb to draw the conclusion.
“The Russians look like orcs! Send another$80 billion to Ukraine now!!”
Inhumane.
okay-then08@reddit
Did I just read a reasonable comment on Reddit? Well now I’ve seen it all.
BadWowDoge@reddit
There’s no way these photos weren’t doctored, nobody is that ugly.
Critical-Syrup5619@reddit
The guy is nothing but a unfortunate pawn to rich and powerful leaders and globalists.
giant_panda_slayer@reddit
Reminds me of this great quote from MAS*H:
Chosen_Undead@reddit
That's some pretty great writing right there.
eat_my_bubbles@reddit
Hijacking to say that the guy on the left has 5 incisor teeth, while humans only get built with 4. Also, both of their shirts are rumpled, but the insignias are flat. Fuck Russian government, but I'm tired of this AI shit.
yautja18@reddit
Is that not a watermark?
eat_my_bubbles@reddit
That is indeed a "defend Ukraine" insignia, so not their uniform, but I need a dentists opinion on those teeth
tanstaafl001@reddit
Not a dentist but emergency medicine, the teeth look enough like teeth that I don’t think it’s AI. Everyone’s dentition out there is slightly different and there are conditions like hyperdontia where you have more teeth than normal or a diastema where you have a pronounced gap. Either way the dude appears to have a significant underbite. Bottom line: think it’s a real human. The guy probably has been doing trench warfare for weeks to months so hygiene isn’t his number one priority. Ultimately, I think the dehumanizing people is super… well it’s hard to argue you’re the good guys when you’re doing that.
Chosen_Undead@reddit
I figured the same based off the guy on the right. But the post above, is truly lovely
eat_my_bubbles@reddit
All around agreed. I can pick up a block of metal in my hand and talk to the people in these situations. Fuck war.
thelowbrassmaster@reddit
I remember watching that with my dad as a kid, that scene left quite in impression on my view of war.
Junkered@reddit
"This isn't a war, it's a murder."
*
SullaFelix78@reddit
Is your flair a joke or do you unironically believe we should abolish the FED?
PrisonerNoP01135809@reddit
The FED or Federal Reserve is a private institution in charge of American money. They are arguably responsible for inflation and our money being fiat. If the FED were to no longer exist. We would be less likely to experience the rapid boom and bust economic voodoo that we have seen the last 30 years. Ending the fed and going back to the gold standard will allow real businesses to thrive and allow stock hype businesses and fraud companies to fail. This will lead to a healthier more real economy.
Sea_Journalist_3615@reddit
We have very different definitions of private.
olditach@reddit
ReverendSerenity@reddit
ye you are part of the reason why
Critical-Syrup5619@reddit
I'm not a Marxist LOL that was a weird conclusion to jump to
StuntsMonkey@reddit
To be fair, some players are shitty regardless of how good of a DM you have
erin136@reddit
This is exactly right.
Opening-Future3991@reddit
Those guys have no idea whats goin on, they were probably on one farm their entire lives with an annual trip to town, then the Govt picked them up and put them on the front
eat_my_bubbles@reddit
You are not wrong, but this is so obviously ai. Post this to an automotive sub and see what they say about the cars in the background.
d702c@reddit
What
eat_my_bubbles@reddit
What type of car is in the picture?
Karp3t@reddit
It looks like the back tray of a Ute (aka pick up) that has a canopy on top
d702c@reddit
I've no idea. Nothing about that screams AI to me.
eat_my_bubbles@reddit
Okay not the car, but, humans have 4 incisor teeth. This man (had) 6 LOL
thewholetruthis@reddit
I’m usually the one telling people it’s AI (I generate a lot), but this does not look ai generated to me.
Opening-Future3991@reddit
Just because theyre ugly doesnt make it AI lol
sadson215@reddit
Is this AI
AcuzioRS@reddit
Yes it absolutely is
d8Beast@reddit
Definitely AI. The dude on the right is clearly built from grid lines.
ShogoXT@reddit
It's not. It's a repost.
I've seen this image from months ago but it's too dirty to be AI.
megalodon-maniac32@reddit
Russia is the invading force
Sledgecrowbar@reddit
Unilaterally evil invading force of mentally disabled life-without-parole soldiers.
They probably have a better life as prisoners of war in Ukraine than whatever they had before that even if they weren't prisoners.
Vincent_VanGoGo@reddit
"What are things a Nazi would say in 1943 for $400, Alex?"
0311Yak@reddit
It’s good v evil alright. Just not sure they have the right teams figured, or are even in the ballpark
Macdingy@reddit
Man you get pretty defensive when someone insults Russian invaders.
Libertarianism is made up of people who believe in allowing others to live in peace as long as their lifestyle/actions don’t prevent others from living in peace. A person/country invading another country is the antithesis of that.
You’re in the comments screaming ‘libertarians hate war!!!!!’ Well then you should be mad at the country that started the war lol.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Don’t put words in mouth and pretend that I’m defending Russia’s aggression.
If you fall for the one side is good, the other side is bad fallacy then you don’t understand the actual cause of Russia’s aggression.
The amazing Scott Horton explains who—in detail— started the war:
https://original.antiwar.com/scott/2022/03/02/the-history-behind-the-russia-ukraine-war/
Hint if you’re too lazy to actually read the article: it takes two to tango.
rspeed@reddit
Elsewhere in the comments, you blamed the invasion on NATO.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Since you’re pretending have researched my other comments, did you also watch the full 1 hour+ video form Scott Horton of AntiWar.com that I posted multiple times?
Not a single Military-Industrial-Complex-sympathizer (aka statists like you) have responded to a single piece of evidence from the video or article that was shared.”
As I literally just said 2 comments above, the amazing Scott Horton explains who—in detail— started the war:
https://original.antiwar.com/scott/2022/03/02/the-history-behind-the-russia-ukraine-war/
Hint if you’re too lazy to actually read the article: it takes two to tango.
rspeed@reddit
It's blatant whataboutism.
Macdingy@reddit
Gorbachev himself said the United States never made that promise lol. It takes two to tango, but somebody has to shoot first. In this case it was Russia. Blaming Ukraine for ‘provoking’ this situation is liking blaming a rape victim for wearing revealing clothing.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
If you’re gonna keep commenting stuff like this you should at least reach out to Tenet Media and see if you can get on their/Putin’s payroll. Right now you’re spreading their message for free.
Nice false binary. I never blamed Ukraine for being invaded. Ukraine didn’t deserve to be invaded.
You came up with that because it’s easier to use false binaries than to out the time in and actually understand the opposing argument objectively.
Ukraine also doesn’t deserve tens of billions of taxpayer dollars from the U.S.
Neither Ukraine nor Russia are better off from the U.S.’s foreign policy errors and constant overthrowing of foreign govnements—including overthrowing two democratically elected, Ukraine governments that were pro-Russia.
“If you’re gonna keep commenting stuff like this you should at least reach out to Tenet Media and see if you can get on their/Putin’s payroll. Right now you’re spreading their message for free.”
Would you put Ron Paul, Scott Horton, Dave Smith, Clint Russell, RFK Jr, the Mises Caucus, Tucker Carlson, Doug Casey, and Tom Woods in that list too?
My antiwar opinions were largely shaped by books, interviews, debates, and conversations from these amazing libertarians, AnCaps, and one conservative.
You would know that if you opened your mind and actually objectively listened to any of them talk about their stance on then Ukraine war instead of discounting any dissenting thought as “RuSsiAn MisInfOrmAtiOn.”
Where did you learn your pro-CIA, pro-MIC, pro-war mongering views from? Maybe from the same people that gave $83 billion to the Taliban?
Macdingy@reddit
Your mom’s a false binary, nerd. Not reading that novel 💯
fusionaddict@reddit
I mean, most Russian dudes are really fucking ugly though.
Duc_de_Magenta@reddit
Russians really are the perfect imagined enemy for the globalist plutocracy; they could NEVER get away with calling any non-white soldiers such vile & dehumanizing slurs.
4thelasttimeIMNOTGAY@reddit
Ugly is Ugly dude
Common-One4992@reddit
Don't pretend there's some kind of moral equivalency between a despotic country (Russia) unjustly invading a sovereign country (Ukraine) without provocation seeking to subjugate them. That is not libertarianism so GTFO with that shit.
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
You would know all about libertarianism, would you?
GalvanizedRubbish@reddit
These guys are likely conscripts who are from a deprived background and forced into frontline service. I imagine that it would wear on anyone. Just look at before/after photos from ww1 and you’ll get an idea.
Efrath@reddit
So these two are likely disfigured from tape wrapped around their head and abuse (you can see lines were the tape was), which makes the comments about them looking like orcs even worse
heatY_12@reddit
It’s easy to hate on the foot soldiers, but they’re just that. Sad situation in general.
alienvalentine@reddit
Am I the only one that think those photos look fake as hell?
Like, the sentiment is disgusting either way, but those don't even look like real photos.
Annual_Left@reddit
Agreed, especially the one on the right. It looks like a fall of duty character or something.
billytheskidd@reddit
Reminds me of the black mirror episode where soldiers have brain implants that make their enemies look deformed and sound like animals.
KobraHashatashi@reddit
Wait which season and episode is that? I feel like I’ve seen everyone episode but one you described draws a blank
flimpiddle@reddit
Season 3 episode 5-- It's called Men Against Fire
KobraHashatashi@reddit
I googled that episode and vaguely remember that curly haired woman in the still shots. That episode was trippy.
Annual_Left@reddit
Oh yeah that episode was fucked
cpg215@reddit
I think they probably had tape wrapped around their eyes and bridge of their nose for a long time so they’re super swollen
Ok_Sea_6214@reddit
Germans said the exact same thing 80 years ago in the exact same fight.
And no one sees the problem with that.
Baron_Jennings@reddit
Here’s a real libertarian take since there seem to be none in this thread:
War is bad. Those dudes are fuck ugly.
ImaginedNumber@reddit
Let's put all thease guys in caps, they are basicly nazis /s
mrdarknezz1@reddit
What does this have to do with Libertarian ideas?
bobbabson@reddit
Why you gotta bash the djpeachcobler sub like this
Responsible-Bison-91@reddit
These are poor people forced by their Government to kill people they don't know for what?
BitsyVirtualArt@reddit
Is it a black mirror or similar show that does a take on this, it's so GD good!
ThickMatch0@reddit
Pro-ukraine Twitter users made me stop giving a shit about Ukraine.
Free_Mixture_682@reddit
Per the International Committee of the Res Cross
https://www.icrc.org/en/law-and-policy/protected-persons-prisoners-war-and-detainees
Whether Ukraine is in direct violation of the Geneva Convention is debatable but we can be certain that most western media would probably remain silent on the question while simultaneously declining to publish these images themselves.
ReverendSerenity@reddit
which gets violated every weekend
Altaccount330@reddit
Listen to this podcast and you’ll realize that even though the Ukrainians are breaking the rules by doing this, it’s still a significant deviation from how things have generally worked on Eastern European battlefields.
THE ANTI-HUMANS
“History is replete with examples of leaders, nations, and empires who left a trail of blood behind them. But with the Bolshevik takeover of Russia after the First World War, something new crawled from the depths of the earth onto the surface of the world. Never before had a government shown such uninhibited savagery toward its own people, during peacetime, as a matter of policy and in the name of scientific management. After Nazi Germany was defeated in the Second World War, Stalin’s Soviet Union unleashed hell on the devastated nations of Eastern Europe, leaving behind an unmatched record of sadism and brutality.”
Wolf482@reddit
NAFO people are warmonger pussies online. Almost none of them have ever served, and it's obvious. I don't know how anyone can cheer on the death of others. To make things worse, a lot of those Russians and Ukrainians are conscripts who don't want to be there. It kills me thinking about that while a soldier begs a drone not to drop a grenade on him as he sits there bleeding out.
MrPiction@reddit
You should probably get tim pools cock out of your mouth.
oglox27@reddit
COD cutscene
madkingshaun@reddit
The cobbler is breaching containment. Flee! Flee, before he makes you fuck his wife!
Worststiffler@reddit
I get it ugly means evil, handsome means good
shikodo@reddit
The guy on the right looks straight outta Tarkov
EnemyUtopia@reddit
They look like former Banditos
Love_that_freedom@reddit
The guy with no smile looks like that old preacher guy.