The company I work for MTI is shutting down tomorrow. They gave their 480 drivers + staff zero notice or severance. We were notified via EMAIL yesterday.

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Exciting_Argument529@reddit

Keep an eye on the usps career site they will misy likely be hiring to take over those runs. I'll probably be training in illinois now

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Pitiful-MobileGamer@reddit

If they're an Illinois registered company, they may have just violated the Illinois WARN act by not disclosing the layoff in advance as required.

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Harrisburg5150@reddit (OP)

Unfortunately that doesn’t apply in the case where the entire company shuts down.

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Dahmer_disciple@reddit

Actually, it does. If there’s over 100 employees, they are legally obligated to let them know.

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ElectronicGarden5536@reddit

Lawsuit Lawsuit REEEEEE! Yeah theyre non existant at this point. All their equipment is most likely already sold or owned by a debtor already. How are you gonna get a payout on a negative balance?

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MarkPellicle@reddit

If a company (even if closed) doesn’t respond to a lawsuit or appear in court, it usually results in a default judgment. This means the plaintiffs get whatever they’re asking for.

Lots of laws written about this but you have a duration of time to attempt a non-judicial settlement before proceeding to court.

The courts don’t really care about your company’s cash flow as much as they care about if the debt is real and the plaintiff can prove this with the preponderance of the evidence. Finding the defendant owes the money is step one, step 2 is more difficult when the company doesn’t exist (but it is still possible to collect). If the company is in bankruptcy, it’s actually fairly easy to add yourself as a creditor. If not going through bankruptcy then you could go after the last accounts billable or any liquidation process, but you better move fast because they are probably already expecting someone to ask for money.

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trucker151@reddit

Oh it's that easy just sue...... dude do u not read or watch the news. This happens all the time and it's almost always without warning.

U think there's no loopholes in the warn act.?.. they're is literally a loophole where they can use ur last 60 days worked towards this 60 day notice.

And it doesnt matter if you win in court. The company is dissolved, and they're bankrupt. Who cares if you win if the company has other debts to pay and has no money. They can award u a billion dollars. Doesn't mean ur getting a penny. Banks and investors get priority in debts and lawsuits. By the time it gets to the bottom floor level worker your sol.

There are more protections for business owners to be kept separate from the company than there are for the worker getting fired. Yea they're expecting to pay out. They're expecting to settle with banks, creditors and ir investors who get priority.

Good luck spending 5 years in court with a company that's been dead and moneyless for those years. It's almost never worth it.

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MarkPellicle@reddit

Since you didn’t read my comment, I’ll say it a different way. Taking someone to civil court is two steps: judgement and collections. The collections is the harder part, and you aren’t guaranteed to get anything.

That being said, just because it’s hard doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try. I think you have to weigh your options, but it’s not like suing someone is expensive. Usually it costs less than $100 to file, and the courts will usually throw that in the damages so you get reimbursed if you win.

As far as creditors getting priority, you’ve never been to bankruptcy court and it shows. The smaller you are, the more likely you are to get exactly what you ask for in a bankruptcy hearing. It is truly unlike anything else in our society, and everyone should sit through one just to learn how it works.

Again, five years in court? Maybe if you’re trying to get millions but anything under $10k (really under $50k depending on your state) is likely to be six months to a year, and that is probably two or three court hearings. Judges hate it if the other side stonewalls the court and they will just issue default judgement after the second or third no show.

Anyways, I don’t know about you but if someone owes me $10k I’m definitely suing their asses and I don’t feel bad about it.

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trucker151@reddit

You dont know what ur talking about. Instead of writing all that u couls have just looked this up in 30 seconds. And don't know why ur talking about 10k. Op got fired. They don't owe u money for letting you go. He didn't work for free they just fired him last minute. There's plenty of loophole they have in the warn act. The lawyers most likley got it covered.

And finally no you do not get priority. The creditors are first, as in banks because their credit is secured by companies assets.. Then investors/ equity interest and ur at the very bottom.

"stipulates that claims of a higher priority must be paid in full before lower priority claims can receive any recovery. This rule also requires that all creditors must be paid in full before equity interest holders can retain any interest in the debtor or receive any.

Secured creditors are payed first. These creditors are paid first because their claims are often secured by collateral and a contract. Secured creditors take on less risk than bondholders because they accept lower interest rates in exchange for the security of corporate assets.

Bankruptcy administration expenses second. These expenses are paid after secured creditors but before other creditors.

Priority unsecured claims third. These claims may include a portion or all of employee wage and benefit claims

Workers literally get paid after everything

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MarkPellicle@reddit

Paid*

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Dahmer_disciple@reddit

I think you’re responding to the wrong person, bro.

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ElectronicGarden5536@reddit

Mmm let me check.. Nope. Just throwing it out there before the Sue sue sue! crowd comes in.

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Dahmer_disciple@reddit

Umm, they’re already here though. What, you saw my comment and stopped? Lemme guess, you’re a doorswinger?

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ElectronicGarden5536@reddit

I think you replied to the wrong person.

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Dahmer_disciple@reddit

Nope. I replied to the right douchecanoe.

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ElectronicGarden5536@reddit

Im sorry. Can you go over why you got feelings again? im lost here.

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trucker151@reddit

He's angry because you dared to say lawsuit aren't that simple. Ppl on reddit cry lawsuit when their damn food is cold from mcdonalds.. dude thinks just cause u win a lawsuit ur getting paid lol... u can win a billion dollars and it doesn't matter. There's more protections for companies and business owners than there are for workers. That's just the way it is.

No one other than banks and or investors/creditors is getting paid here. The warn act has loopholes. One of which is they literally can count ur last 60 days worked towards the 60 days notice...

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Dahmer_disciple@reddit

Dude, you can’t even respond to the right person, so what makes you think you’d be able to understand anything I say even if I break it down to a preschool level?

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ElectronicGarden5536@reddit

Its ok. Speaking of preschool i think you should attend one and learn how to deal with your feelings. Did the bad man make you have big feelings?

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Dahmer_disciple@reddit

So serious question - I was about to block you and saw that you’ve got a lot of gun posts. And by “a lot,” I mean A LOT. Do you feel the need to post all that because you’ve got a tiny peen? Or is it because you have to show just how manly you are because you don’t want it to get out that your wife pegs you with a 12” black strap-on?

Oh wait, I don’t care. Bye Felicia!

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trucker151@reddit

Yea everyone always cries lawsuits on reddit.... there's always someone who knows a guy who knows a guy whose brother's friend won the same lawsuit...

there are loopholes and I'm sure their lawyers crossed those Ts or they know they will not have to pay up most likley. Company is dissolved and there are more protections to keep buainess owners separate from the business. The owners of that business have more protections from you suing them than you do for getting fired without notice. Ppl almost never find out they are fired. They want the company to function up up untill the last minute

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trucker151@reddit

This happens all the time tho. One way is keeping ppl on payroll and giving benefits. And there is some weird loophole where they can count ur last 60 days towards this warn act. I been working in the tech industry and this happened to us every 2 to 5 years. Every time it was no notice. Happens to this day, they rarley give you notice because they want u to work as usual till the last minute. Most likley this is the case with op. He might be the rare occasion where this act was violated but lawyers usually make sure they're in the clear.

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Harrisburg5150@reddit (OP)

I hope that’s the case, if so I might have some backpay coming my way, but who knows how long a class action lawsuit would take to settle

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Troygbiv_Yxy@reddit

My company (not trucking) shut down in Illinois and because they didn't provide notice they had to provide the time in pay instead in lieu of notice.

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spyder7723@reddit

Years to settle. But more immortal they are sitting down due to bankruptcy. Even if you win a judgement how are you supposed to collect from a corporation that no longer exists and has no assets cause everything was sold off to satisfy debts that get a huge priority in bankruptcy?

Tldr version. You ain't getting shit cause they don't have shit to give.

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ElectronicGarden5536@reddit

Exaclty what i said. In the real world you dont get a next day payout on any "injustice" done to you.

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Crashy1620@reddit

Unless you’re too big to fail.

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lesserDaemonprince@reddit

He's not getting shit because he's one of us peasants. Ftfy

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tidyshark12@reddit

Even if they owe you money, you can't squeeze blood from a stone.

Some of my coworkers came from yellow. They owe one guy 20k and another guy over 40k.

If the company went bankrupt, the company has no money to pay you and our legal system is set up to have companies as essentially separate entities from the owners. So, nothing the company does can affect the owners legally. Basically, a class action lawsuit (which mostly lawyers make money in these suits, the victims get next to nothing usually) would essentially just be suing a dead person for their nonexistent assets.

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Kai_Tenbears@reddit

Tell this to Hub, they have been doing it for years and stealing people's vacation time that we earned as well.

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trucker151@reddit

Unfortunately there are loopholes for them. I used to work in the tech industry and this happens all the time. Literally every year there are last second closures. I know one loophole is as easy as keeping people on payroll, maybe paying a small severance package. People win warn act cases all the time but rarely with bigger companies. They probably had lawyers cross their Ts. I used to have to find a new job every 3 to 5 years working in tech and every time it was 100s of ppl getting fired out of the blue.

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Dahmer_disciple@reddit

It’s a federal law. States like Illinois might expound on it, but it’s federal.

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ChipChurp@reddit

Happened to my uncle he worked at bimbo bakery in Nebraska they shut down and didn't give enough notice and they're being sued the union

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Alw1n4t0R@reddit

Trucking is a federal regulated industry in the U.S.

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Dahmer_disciple@reddit

Ok?

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Alw1n4t0R@reddit

Oh I meant to replay to the user above… my bad

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Emergency-Bus-998@reddit

Well, you can't water from a stone

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RefinedPhoenix@reddit

What are the odds?

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Armchair-Attorney@reddit

One of the main defenses to WARN Act stuff is when the company shuts down. Once you’re done, you’re done. If & when they go into bankruptcy, the bankruptcy court will treat anything from WARN as a general unsecured creditor. Among the lowest priority for repayment preferences.

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SnowyHawke@reddit

When I first started driving (too many years ago) my hubby and I drove for Arrow trucking. They were a flatbed company.

Our driver manager came to us one day, and told us we needed to get out. He had the feeling something bad was coming. So, we moved companies.

Two months later, Arrow closed. No notice to anyone. The phones just got turned off, and the doors locked. There were drivers all over the country stranded under loads. Drivers were selling off tarps, chains, straps, and anything not nailed down to get the money to get home. All of the major carriers instructed their drivers to give a ride to any stranded Arrow driver they came across. It was a mess.

It sucks your company is going under. But, at least, they did the right thing and notified you.

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trucker151@reddit

This sucks and I'm not defending it. But this happens everywhere. I don't know how this "warn act" works. But I have rarely heard of a big company giving ppl notice. They usually shut down out of nowhere and get away with it. I know one way is to keep people on the payroll In some way still. Even giving them a small severance package, maybe not even paying them but they must have some kind of loopholes. Or if they get sued the company is gone and they go bankrupt...I dunno but they do it all the time. Happens in the tech industry where I came from all the time.

Playing devils advocate here. I'm not OK with this as its happened to me more than once. just saying why they do this. They do this because they want you to work up until the last minute. If they announced they are closing, the company would no longer function. People would start leaving, maybe critical people, they would not be able to replace these workers. And they do this to avoid any potential issues. They found out the least hassle free way (for the company) is to lay someone off at the last minute.

When I got played off they had all the management standing in the front entrance and as people came in they either told you to go to the room on the right, or to your left. Everyone who got fired went to the room on the left. Shitty part is some ppl used a different entrance and went straight to their desk to work. then the management had to go around and find these people and tell them to go home cause they just got fired.

So yea they do this all the time with no warning and it sucks cause because now u have 500 people flooding the job market looking for the same kind of job....hope it works out for u man

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BigPPDaddy@reddit

I work for USPS and they've been making a ton of changes in effort to create some semblance of profitability, which is strange for a public service... but whatever. So this may, unfortunately, be a result of that plan in action.

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GentlemanTruckDriver@reddit

Don’t know where you’re at in Tampa, but you may have more options out of Lakeland. I don’t know how Publix treats their drivers, but other people who I’ve known who worked for Publix in other job functions have really liked working there.

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Srolo@reddit

Publix hires their drivers from within at their own warehouse. They've only opened up to outside applicants like once in the past 10 years.

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skinny08910@reddit

Damn...

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Lonely-Animator-1750@reddit

Never. And I mean fucking NEVER give a 2 week notice. This is why. We are expandable “meat in the seat” these companies give zero fucks about their employees no matter how much they try and convince you that they do.

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Fit_Hospital2423@reddit

I used to manage a small fleet. Your “never give a two-weeks notice” philosophy is why I wouldn’t have ever hired you. And believe me, I would have found out before putting you in a truck.

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Librado65@reddit

This ain't the streets or the mafia...I don't owe no loyalty to no damn company especially if the higher ups will drop you in a heartbeat...no blood in or blood out, I'll leave that to the homies who put their life on pause. Shit, even the mobsters send each other to brasil whenever they cross each other. Save that bullshit for some mutherfuckas who you USED to manage homeboy.

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Fit_Hospital2423@reddit

Whatever, tough guy. You do you. Just do it far away from me.

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Librado65@reddit

You're the one who comes on reddit trying to flex "oh I used to manage a small fleet"...who cares that you're ding-a-ling is longer and bigger than the rest of us. Yeah, stay away as far as you can from me, I might get cooties around you

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Lonely-Animator-1750@reddit

Buddy, I’d never want to work for you. So no worries 🤙🏼And how you’d “find out before putting me in a truck” is laughable. It’s clear why you no longer manage a small fleet. For a little insight to my comment… I’ve given my 2 week notice in the past and all it did was burn my ass. So I’ll never do it again and I encourage everyone else to do the same.

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Fit_Hospital2423@reddit

As I think again about you comment, I’m betting you were a pain-in-the-ass driver that, once you stated your intentions, they helped motivate you towards the door.

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Lonely-Animator-1750@reddit

I’m a super chill under the radar type. Keep that little hamster wheel in your head turning though. Paint yourself whatever picture of me you’d like.

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Fit_Hospital2423@reddit

Well there ya go. I guess you told me! Feel better?haha!

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Lonely-Animator-1750@reddit

Yeah, I kinda do!

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EofWA@reddit

This is the wrong attitude to have.

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Dirty__Steve307@reddit

Due truckers fall under the WARN act?

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Kai_Tenbears@reddit

Technically they do, but the way the laws are written they can shut down entire terminals with zero warnings and no repercussions.

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Nero-Danteson@reddit

Terminals, which just means accounts and employees get scooted to the next nearest terminal.

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Kai_Tenbears@reddit

Hub shut down their Birmingham terminal with absolutely no warning. The next closest terminal was in the next state over. Hub is predominantly local intermodal. 200 people can't just move 8 hours away, so yeah... It was a mass layoff.

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TheJuggernaut043@reddit

Hub Group?

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Kai_Tenbears@reddit

Yep. I worked for them for 5 years until I was part of their latest layoff. They took my PTO and everything. They still owe me a few weeks pay and I haven't had been able to find a lawyer to get my money

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momayham@reddit

With a contract like that. At leas it was consistent. There weren’t enough penalties to bankrupt operations. So it has to narrow down to greed. Either somebody is taking too much money? Or they will shutdown, take the money, & not pay anything out. While diverting the 30/60/90 day billing to another account. That could make somebody very rich. I do t know if the equipment is owned or leased? These large companies that go tits up. Don’t close up because thy are broke. They close because profits aren’t what they were expecting. There are ups and downs. The people running the company aren’t the same ones who started it. There is nothing personal for them. It’s all about big money for them. They don’t care for anybody else.

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kainmalice@reddit

There is always the option of Eat the Rich, but yah know, Truckers arent exactly Left Leaning....

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HealthyTruck5691@reddit

I suppose you lose the money in a health savings account and flexible savings account too. Along with any accrued vacation

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EofWA@reddit

I don’t believe so. Those should be held with your insurer

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Tequila-Karaoke@reddit

My FSA is always underwater from week 1 - meaning I'm making the max allowed contribution, but spending more than the max each week. So by August, I've used up my FSA funds, though I'm paying off the overage each week.

If I were to leave the company, I'd owe the balance out of my final check. Without a final check, I think I'd owe the balance to the FSA administrator. If I got screwed out of my final check like these guys, though, I suspect the FSA admin would have to wait a while.

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Signal-Judge2950@reddit

Jack Cooper transport. I think the closest one is in bowling green Kentucky at the corvette plant, but there are a bunch of guys that live in other states.

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Silent-Skill-1584@reddit

Damn!

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Then-Background-1391@reddit

Such bullshit I had a friend work for a car dealership. Same thing he went to work and the doors were locked done.

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Key_Internal_274@reddit

Look at Saia LTL Freight in your area for a Line Haul position.

It's cake. You're home every day, making 0.815cpm, and you just need to have all of your endorsements.

New guys are put in the "systems," basically a wild board, but it goes by quickly. It's not OTR, only regional stuff. You drive in a straight line, switch trailers with a meet guy, or build a set at a terminal and come home.

80% of routes are home daily. You gotta drive night (but less traffic) There are inside facing cameras, but they only get on you for your following distance. All of the drivers make 100-120k per/yr depending on the route.

Sorry you lost your job man that sucks.

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icy_penguins@reddit

It's gonna start happening more and more in the next year or so. Freight rates are shit, companies aren't producing near as many products as they were, people aren't spending extra money right now, which means even less consumer goods, we are in a recession and it's hurting trucking bad. There are far too many trucking companies still around from the covid boost that should have never even existed that are nothing but throat cut rate takers that should go out of business. It sucks. Reminds me of when Arrow trucking shut down. No warning, no notice, just one day fully operational, the next, bankrupt and closed. Stranded all of their drivers all over the country, most of whom were loaded. I still don't think they found all of the missing loads from that ordeal.

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Fit_Hospital2423@reddit

One of the most important factors, I believe, that you failed to mention is the price of insurance.

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Fit_Hospital2423@reddit

From reading a little about it, I’m guessing that insurance is what caused them to throw in the towel.

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unionoftw@reddit

Honestly I haven't been involved in anything near as bad so hearing all the things you all are saying is educating

But all I can say

Ouch. Sorry

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Joeybowman@reddit

How much experience you got? Where in Illinois are you from? I might know a company hiring.

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Harrisburg5150@reddit (OP)

I’m actually living in Tampa bay, the company is just headquartered in Illinois

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Joeybowman@reddit

I was going to suggest sherwin williams if you were close to effingham IL. We also have a DSC in winterhaven FL as well. $100k plus a year, incredible benefits, incredible paid time off including 10 holidays a year.

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TheBraveInspector1@reddit

what is DSC?

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Joeybowman@reddit

What they call the distribution center.

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Crashy1620@reddit

Osh Kosh hires drivers occasionally. They may be in Bradenton though. A lot of single units come out of there though.

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spyder7723@reddit

Any open deck experience?

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Mcj1972@reddit

Never give notice if your not planning on going back.

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StarAny3150@reddit

We still have truckers out here in 2024 contemplating giving these companies a two week notice so they can keep your money or deduct whatever they want to deduct from your last check

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Frudays@reddit

See if you can get a contract and get a head.

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Possumjones@reddit

That’s how I lost my last trucking job, told on Friday last day would be Monday. Had me drive my truck to Florida, and that was it, I don’t live in Florida. I rented a uhaul to get all my stuff back home to Atlanta. I was pretty salty. Got a local job delivering groceries and tobacco. Don’t make as much, but I don’t work that much either… Fuck trucking companies, good luck dude!!

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bytecollision@reddit

Companies closing Monday then I’m driving to Atlanta my guy

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eitsew@reddit

That fucking sucks. I work for a solid regional car hauling company in Naples, a few hrs south of Tampa, we do high end cars like lambos and whatnot. Home every weekend, 1k dollar weekly minimum guarantee but usually quite a bit more than that plus tips. Not quite what you asked for 😆 but figured I'd mention it, a few of the guys I work with commute from Miami and homosassa every week, so you wouldn't be the only guy driving in

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Er1cDravn@reddit

So...SO sorry to hear and that is beyond messed up. A driver like you should land on your feet easily enough though.

While I hope you get lined up with an equally as cherry a gig I would recommend Nussbaum if nothing shakes out, they run the lower 48 based out of Bloomington IL they're a pretty decent company as far as the larger ones go.

Long Haul Trucking out in MN I've had my eye on for a min...my DAC sucks from leaving companies that lie about pay only to go to another liar 🤦🤦

But while they do flat bed curtain side they seem to have a good outfit and I wanna say they also run the lower 48.

Of course all my suggestions are based off OTR and 2 weeks out...a seasoned badass like you though should be able to find something better than my 4 1/2yr Greenhorn ass 🤷

Hate this happened and hate how the industry screws over the very drivers that sacrifice so much to keep this economy going.

No respect whatsoever but we are expected to be professional and all that🤦🤦🤦

Ugh.

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meizhong@reddit

Contact a few of the places on your route and find out who delivers to the tomorrow.

Go work there.

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Ali_Naghiyev@reddit

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/illinois-trucking-company-with-480-drivers-abruptly-ceases-operations

"The trucking company had 21 injuries and 42 tow-aways over the past 24 months.

According to the SAFER database, MTI was cited for acute/critical violations in two categories: controlled substances/alcohol and driver fitness."

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Cheshire_Moe@reddit

Fellow former MTI driver here. Was laid off at the end of May because MTI didn’t renew my routes contract with the post office. My Dad also worked for them and we agreed the writing was on the wall that it was only a matter of time before they went under.

The company went way downhill after the company was sold a year or two ago. Was happy to get out when I did. But feel bad for those this happened too.

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JALKHRL@reddit

I would call a lawyer asap and ask if you can put a lien on their property, or seize a truck, trailer, anything. Act NOW.

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tooljst8@reddit

A two week notice for an employee who is leaving is a formal courtesy to the company and is not mandatory.

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HandCarvedRabbits@reddit

Holy shit! Do you have any recourse? (Band teacher lurker here - sorry to all of)

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Dezzolve@reddit

Virtually none, you can sue but good luck getting money from a company that no longer exists.

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santanzchild@reddit

Do they OTR guys? A complete lack of notice could really put someone on the road in a awkward spot.

If they respected you they would do what every other company does and give you a few weeks/months warning that it was happening.

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hooligan-6318@reddit

Mostly out and back USPS or auto parts near me.

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Harrisburg5150@reddit (OP)

I’m actually not sure. The terminal I worked out of didn’t have anything other than local runs, but our terminal only accounted for like 30% of all our drivers.

I called a twenty year veteran yesterday(nicest old dude in his 70’s) to see if he knew any details about what was happening. He was on vacation, and was completely blindsided by what was going on. I was the first to tell him…

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santanzchild@reddit

He moght not ne getting his vacation pay.

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pstbltit85@reddit

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/layoffs/workers

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RyuKirito@reddit

This should be illegal.

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OptiKnob@reddit

The mail will still be delivered - which company picked up the contract?

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nastyzoot@reddit

It's possible they didn't know. They could have lost a major bid for postal service and can no longer function. It happens. Find out who is taking over service in your area. Go work for them. You may even get your route back.

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Harrisburg5150@reddit (OP)

I’m fairly sure they lost their line of credit with a bank, and couldn’t afford to continue operations

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nastyzoot@reddit

Still...that mail route is still gonna run. Look into it.

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ElectronicGarden5536@reddit

If youre at a company for 20 years you shouldve had a backup plan in place. Youre telling me you want to pull cheap freight for the same people for 20 years? Thats way harder to wrap my head around that said cheap freight company going under.

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1986silverback@reddit

Get to the hub for your free stuff

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What did he say l, dang all I get are the rules

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Bad bot

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Go home your drunk

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Armchair-Attorney@reddit

27% OOS rate. Hope you find a new home soon. That said, this was only a matter of time. From the article, “FMCSA data shows the company’s trucks had been inspected 244 times, and 65 had been placed out of service for a 27% out-of-service rate over the preceding 24-month period. That is significantly higher than the industry’s national average of around 22%”

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OkinawaNah@reddit

Lol where Im at would be 99% because I write shit up like a bad transmission and it doesn't get fixed despite me saying that left turns can kill someone because the truck is stuck in 1st gear or goes into neutral in the middle of a turn.

I had just got yelled at for driving the truck on slicks with no tread because they never changed out my tires before despite me writing it up for a full week or tow including circling it and writing in caps lock.

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Revolutionary-Cat872@reddit

I’m not surprised usps has been dropping contracts for a couple of years. They now rely on brokers

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