Russiagate, the new McCarthyism
Posted by Listen2Wolff@reddit | EndlessWar | View on Reddit | 45 comments
Ray McGovern reviews the history of the 2016 Russiagate scandal. He shows it to have been totally made up. He names names.
If you'd rather watch McGovern being interviewed on "Dialogue Works" he adds more to the story, including Russia's hilarious response to how silly the claim looks.
Pleasurist@reddit
Quite contrary. Mueller had enough to issue a sealed indictment for trump but turned into repub coward while being and was very successful getting convictions.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Hey liar what did Mueller have enough of? You surely can lay out all the crimes of the fascists who fabricated evidence?
Pleasurist@reddit
Delusional, living in your own world.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Name your claims lady.
Pleasurist@reddit
You cheaply and insultingly call me a liar when you have no basis in fact to make that charge.
Read up on Mueller, IIRC, he told congress publically. So what else is new, America has had at lest 2 felonious POTUS in my life, trump's the 3rd this time proven in court by 12 of his peers.
More likely his superiors.
Prove any fascist fabricated evidence. You can't prove anuything of the sort.
You see...ALL piffle.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Name your claims lady. You refuse to. The burden of proof is upon the accuser.
Pleasurist@reddit
Have you been in a coma ? 34 counts guilty. Trump just might die in jail...if there's justice.
But we all know, only if you can afford it.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Name your claims lady. You refuse to. The burden of proof is upon the accuser.
Pleasurist@reddit
Are you delusional ? 34 felonies, convicted. A fraudulent private college, convicted.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Name your claims lady. You refuse to. The burden of proof is upon the accuser.
Name a single charge he was unanimously found guilty of by a jury?
if you cant this means you are pushing propaganda and anti american bullshit hoping to cheer on violations of human rights of someone who is anti war criminal globalist cabal.
Pleasurist@reddit
Really ? You have nothing better to do than on an ideal late summer day, you come here and truly demonstrate you cannot read ?
I have answered this question 2 or 3 times. Enough. BTW on all 34 felonies, the jury was unanimous.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Name your claims lady. You refuse to. The burden of proof is upon the accuser.
Name a single charge he was unanimously found guilty of by a jury?
if you cant this means you are pushing propaganda and anti american bullshit hoping to cheer on violations of human rights of someone who is anti war criminal globalist cabal.
BTW on all 34 felonies, the jury was unanimous.
But it wasn't. Why do you lie? You cannot name a single false accusation and then you lie that it was unanimous when anyone who followed the kangaroo court would know none of the accusations had anything unanimous because the demorat judge ordered the jury to ignore the laws and not have unanimous verdicts.
Pleasurist@reddit
Now I know you are delusional. Piffle.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
And now you are rambling incoherently off topic completely
Pleasurist@reddit
There's the insult card payed so often at reddit. Can't name a false accusation because there are none.
Point out my lie !! Come on man, kangaroo court ? You actually went there ?
Wasn't unanimous ? Democrat [sic] judge ? Ordered the jury to ignore the law ?
And you say I am rambling incoherently...wow !!
Like I wrote...piffle. I am done beta.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Karen you could not name a single false charge and then lied. Now you are big mad because you got called out for lying. Why are all of you demorat fascists the same though?
How shitty is the college indoctrination system that spits out idiots like you that are incoherent and cannot even comprehend that readers easily call out the dumbest lies possible that you chose? Like what the fuck, how can you be this stupid?
Pleasurist@reddit
You are the obvious liar here and otherwise delusional living in your own world.
RaisedByHoneyBadgers@reddit
How do you know what Mueller had? Was it all personal property or property of the DOJ?
Redacting and sealing reports could mean:
1) Trump did some bad things, but in the political interest of those in power they were redacted. 2) Trump didn't do the bad things, but such effort and political capital was spent accusing him of it that they redacted some random stuff to maintain the appearance of guilt.
Considering that Biden easily could unseal those documents or pursue(and has pursued Trump with other accusations), it's clear the truth is closer to #2.
Trump is horrible, but as far as I can tell he's acted fully within the law. The law just sucks.
Pleasurist@reddit
You are delusional.
So the political interest takes precedence over the public interest ? Why am I not surprised.
Biden has no such power you -------.
Piffle
RaisedByHoneyBadgers@reddit
You seriously don't think the president can direct the DOJ? š¤” You don't think he has soft power as THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to influence state AGs? You don't think the DNC would influence AGs?
Since you decided to call me a: I looked through your post history and comments. You generally seem intelligent, but you seem to have pretty extreme my-side/TDS(Trump Derangement Syndrome) and really believe in the political establishment. Maybe just consider the ways in which you apply inconsistent standards to those you think you align with versus those you think are your adversaries.
Pleasurist@reddit
Look, I go way back and knew trump was a PoS when he was democrat, a lifelong dem, gave money to the dems and the Clintons, said "the repubs are stupid and will vote for anybody."
He stiffed people and was sued 3,500 times, cheated banks and students illegally used his trust.
Plus convicted felon, not yet sentenced and out on bail when most others are not. trump was a complete loser without his daddy and daddy's money.
Oh and no, POTUS once done and especially given a special prosecutor, cannot open or quash a sealed indictment.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Can you name a crime Trump was convicted of by a jury of his peers? Because no unanimous jury convicted him of anything and no crime was named in his indictment.
Pleasurist@reddit
Where have you been ?
From Factcheck:
DonaldĀ TrumpĀ became the first U.S. president, current or former, to be convicted of a criminal offense when a 12-person jury in New York on May 30 found him guilty on 34 felony counts.
trump should die in jail.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Name a single crime he was accused of?
Pleasurist@reddit
There are 34 counts all guilty. Have you ben in a coma or some such ? Trump should die in jail.
But I say he will go retire in his new Moscow hotel casino [coming soon] avoiding extradition.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Name a single crime Karen.
Demorat party has a long history of lynching people on false charges. Rule of law is the antithesis to being a demorat or their supporter.
Pleasurist@reddit
[Demorat] party has a long history of lynching people on false charges.
Please, you need to refer to 100 yr. old history. like saying the repubs started the civil war. But then a repub govt. did start two recent wars for hegemony and war profits
The capitalist lynched [killed] more than the dems.
Ludlow tent colony massacre, 1914 Rockefeller hasd62 men, women and children killed over a strike for .04 cents/hr. and Sundays off. I call him greedy, capitalist murderous scum.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Name a single crime Karen.
Was the question too hard?
RaisedByHoneyBadgers@reddit
Now do Biden.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
What exactly is horrible about the man who is so loyal to his country?
RaisedByHoneyBadgers@reddit
I don't agree with nationalism and he is also a warmonger. I would be fine with him if his isolationism meant withdrawing efforts to destabilize other nations for the purpose of maintaining US hegemony.
Simply put, love your own country without hating another. It's the latter that makes him horrible.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
Trump literally ordered troops out of Syria which the fascist demorat government bureaucrats bragged about violating the order of the commander in chief in their auto biographies.
Trump was trying to stop the arming of ukronazis.
No new wars happened under Trump and he was negotiating peace with both the Taliban and Free Korea. It is more than dishonest to call a guy a war monger where he used his office to force peace wherever he could. He even forced the zionazis to sue for peace with Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries. How can you be this counter factual?
RaisedByHoneyBadgers@reddit
https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense-policy/middle-east/trump-drops-the-moab-on-isis/
Not to mention his war mongering with China.
Trump supported Juan Guido. Trump supported the coup in Bolivia. Trump ended the inf as well as jcpoa.
Trump is better than the Democrats, but he is far from dovish.
Alpha1stOne@reddit
As we now know, a lot of government officials openly lied to his face and directly violated chain of command. The BLOB was doing a lot of things and keeping him out of the loop and as we saw with Bidet the BLOB is doing whatever it wants but this time the guy is not even bothering to ask questions.
Listen2Wolff@reddit (OP)
Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with exactly what "McCarthyism" is. You are aware of the governments attacks on free-speech aren't you? Those attacks are at the behest of the Zionist-Billionaires who care only about maintaining American hegemony over the world's economy. It is too late. Russia, China and the BRICS have beaten them. All they have left is nuclear weapons.
Mueller worked for these slrubs.
Pleasurist@reddit
Oh please...piffle.
Russia, China and the BRICS have beaten them.Ā Don't make me laugh. BRICS has been around for over 20 years.
laughinglove29@reddit
No you didn't. Your comment history has you stating you'll be 35 in 2033, genius.
Yawn
Listen2Wolff@reddit (OP)
No you didn't. Not unless you're 90 years old. If you were a teenager in the '50s you had no idea what was going on.
Yes, the BRICS have been around for quite a while, so?
I suggest you start paying attention. The changes are going to start happening fast and the challenges will be furious.
Pleasurist@reddit
Like I wrote...piffle.
laughinglove29@reddit
Also you might want to delete your history. Like here where you pray you make it to age 35 and afraid you won't have social security
Go away, cia child
https://www.reddit.com/r/economy/s/qu6i2oGJEx
laughinglove29@reddit
Wonderful for you, grandpa.
We aren't doing it again. Now call me a pinko and go to bed.
If you were alive then, you should be spending time with your great grandkids instead of supporting fascism and oppression on millennial internet forums.
RegisterEasy5530@reddit
It wasn't "totally made up" but it was overstated, embellished and overblown. Russia did take actions hoping to influence the outcome of the election but did not significantly effect the outcome in any way anyone was able to prove. Just as it's BS to claim that Russia was the reason Trump won it's also BS to claim they did nothing to try to help him win.
Lots of countries try to influence the outcomes of our elections all the time. Israel is probably the most effective foreign nation to change our politics but it's ridiculous to claim that others don't try. Anyone stating absolutes about foreign influence are the most suspect because they are pushing an agenda and lying.
Listen2Wolff@reddit (OP)
Com'on, the evidence presented way back in 2016 was laughable. I was just reviewing the many Guccifer 2.0 articles, hilarious.
But if you want to insist this was a real attempt to influence the election, OK.
It has about as much an effect as me typing "STEIN!"
KeyboardGrunt@reddit
Doesn't help that Trump would say stuff like "Russia if you're listening" on TV regarding hacking Hillary Clinton's email's.
I know people want to see this as binary but c'mon, if Biden had said "Burisma if you're listening" what kind of reaction do you think the right would have?
Trump's worst enemy is his inability to control what he says.
Groundbreaking_Rock9@reddit
More Russian misinformation /propaganda....