the whole point was to keep the bio weapons literally designed to exterminate man kind contained in this planet (or i think it’s a moon i can’t remember)
the bio weapons literally designed to exterminate man kind
Debatable. We see an engineer willingly consume the bio weapon in the prologue and it disintegrates him into nothing but a pile of genetic stew from which a double helix, implying it's what they used to create humanity.
It does the same to main girls boyfriend, spawning that big face hugger in the process and the Newborn in romulus.
The bio weapon seems to be more of a mutagen rather than roided up ebola.
It's stated that that shit would fuck shit up if used on earth. It would melt all of humanity down and spawn some other shit but spawning is what it was created to do, not total global annihilation.
As to the plot of the movie. Half of it was just creations thinking they're superior to their creations and some shit that might have actually been deep if it was thought about some more rather than just shoved in haphazardly. The other half was an alien prequel which actively contradicts what we see in the prologue of alien so much that I actually have to wonder if anyone involved in production even bothered to rewatch the original film.
Except in Covenant it’s explicitly stated that it has different versions and the xenomorph one was specifically designed to murder everything on earth and David uses it against the engineers.
And it melts them down into genetic soup from which plant based facehuggers emerge.
Given that all the uses of the bio weapon we see effectively does the same shit we see it do in prometheus' prologue, it's safe to say they're basically the same.
It's difficult to tell what's meant to be up in the air and what's just poorly explained in prometheus and covenant because Ridley ~~is a pillock~~ has lost his touch.
Life-seed Mutagen- Creates humanity from an engineer.
General Mutagen?: It makes worms that immediately kill anyone around, and a drop mutates a human into a rage monster and makes his semen shoot squids. Squid + Engineer then makes murder monster proto-xenomorph
WMD Mutagen: Seen dissolving people on contact. Starts mutating some them into proto-xenomorphs which David crossbreeds into THE Xenomorph.
If I'm correct it doesn't spit out any proto xenonorphs in alien covenant.
The only aliens are the white protomorphs which are from the spores that are mutated by the black stuff, and the exomorph that came from the face hugger that was in the egg david had made.
To be fair they don't show or explain how he made the egg, other than "experiments" with Elizabeth Shaw's body
The Mutagen took a planet of aliens, did nothing with them except dissolve them, and then made the mushrooms into deadly spore-monsters?
I'd be fine if it was just crazy mutations that turned everything it touched into a deadly monster that destroys life. But it's not even consistently inconsistent. The writing decisions are baffling.
Except it’s not. It’s clearly stated in Alien: Covenant by David that it’s not their homeworld and those aren’t the engineers. It’s another planet seeded with life by the engineers just like humanity was. They just happened to look more like the engineers than humans did. At the end of the movie David sets a course for the actual homeworld if I remember correctly.
I thought David was going to the world the ship was originally going to before they answered the distress signal and he puts the xeno embryos with the human ones
Why the fuck people who had military bases on other planets with super-aids bioweapons in them and who seeded live on multiple planets lived in a literal middle ages village without any other ships/defenses is sight?
Now what I think of it, who thought it's a good idea to leave marking on Earth leading not to a normal planet of some sort, but straight to a military base full of super-aids.
I think that goo from the start might be different than the goo later? though I don't remember exactly what happened when David releasesed it on the engineer colony in the Alien Covenant, I think it caused those engineers to make weird Xenomorphs. (Neomorphs I think?) Though that could be for a few hypothetical reasons, the engineers in that film do look different. It's possible that it might have been another planet seeded by them or something. Could also be that it only dissolves you in that fast acting way when consumed in a sufficient dose (thus why the guy David poisoned took so long with just a drop in his system). The goo also "reanimated" that one goon who drowned in it so... I don't know actually, the goo is basically a Mcguffin that does whatever the writer wants.
I actually did a lot of research into this a while back. A bunch of stuff is explained in the script (where they translate the conversation between David and the engineer) and other deleted scenes. Essentially there was a precursor to the engineers that created them with the original goo. This goo is liquid nanomachines that can alter DNA to create genetically diverse life. Well the engineers after seeding a bunch of worlds started to run out of this life-creating goo. So they decided to try to manufacture more. They failed and ended up with the black goo which is similar and can alter DNA to create new life but does so in horrific ways. So instead they decided to start using it as a weapon.
So the goo they used on earth in the prologue is, in fact a different substance than what was shown later? Fucking hell, if any movie could be completely improved with an extended cut, it’s this one.
Cause engineers created humans but humans turned out to be a bunch of asshole so the engineers sent Jesus down as a last resort to teach them how to be good but humans killed Jesus so the engineers decided to exterminate humanity. Then the engineer who was going to do it got infected so he put himself on stasis then the protagonists woke him up and he explained everything but when the asshole bussinesman demanded the engineer to grant him inmortality the engineer realized that humans are still assholes so he restarted the genocide.
The stuff David dosed people with was an altered version of the goo. He covers it in Prometheus when he monologues like an asshole about his experiments
It seemed to pretty much peteify all the engineers on the planet when he released it, though it did also plant the little spurs that the two people eventually breathed in and spawned the weird neomorph things
It’s not clear if that’s the same material in the first scene, it could just be another product of the Engineers’ genetic experiments. Plus in Covenant it’s shown how that stuff specifically from Prometheus changes the entire ecosystem, and the dude from the first one got spiked with a single drop, not even close to a whole container.
In short, any of those containers hitting earth would not go down well.
It's also way faster than the humans' ship and would've arrived to earth in a matter of months rather than years
Where was this shown?
They wouldn't be able to even prepare for its arrival not like they even could.
The only chance was to knock it down while it was still taking off. After that it's as good as gone.
This makes no sense. We have the entire Sol system colonised. We'd have a massive deep space network. With interstellar capable craft we'd be able to send a suicidal ship we'd be able shoot something at several percent of light speed.
Easy intercept. Like 15 billion kilometres to track and intercept it as it enters the system.
The weapon only made sense against primitive societies which was apparently RS's original idea that they had gone to stamp us out when we were coming up with religions that were design justify and hide wholesale levels of pedophilia.
Apparently there was gonna be some crap about the engineers meeting jesus or some shit and being super impressed.
Whatever. Stupidest movie ever made.
I've watch porn with a better continuity, better story, shit even better trouser snakes.
Sure, bro, ready to put humanity on the line to test whether or not it's possible to catch unknown alien ship that's running on completely unknown technology clearly superior to anything you got when you can try to end it right here for good?
Its not like the ship has light speed capabilities. Otherwise why would they (both on the engineers and human ships) have hibernation pods.
At this point in the story humanity had colonised the Sol system. We had warships and the engineers ship was just a cargo vessel. A weed sprayer design to destroy primitive species before they could evolve.
Yeah 4channers are oblivious to selflessness. It’s like they can’t even grasp the scene where Noomi Rapace’s character jerks off Tracer. Like do they not understand that was needed to save the Omnics from the double dicked xenomorphs?
But didn't the engineers make humanity in their image? I distinctly remember they used one of themselves to put amino acids and stuff into our oceans, and the whole plot was "where did we come from?".
It was explained in the original plot of Prometheus, the engineers are inmortal but sterile so they chose to create new life forms as way of passing their genes. So they create humans but humans turn out to be a bunch of assholes so the engineers send a human they raised to teach the rest how to be a good guy (Jesus was the guy they sent) then humans kill jesus and the engineers decide to exterminate humanity.
The engineer that was carrying that black goo gets infected so he choses to put himself on stasis in that planet, the protagonists wake him up and after explaining all of this the company owner or whatever that guy was asks him to grant him inmortality, this makes the engineer realize that humans are still a bunch of assholes so he restarts the genocide.
It’s been ages but since I watched it but from I remember the engineers wanted to destroy humanity as they saw them as a failure, the engineer they awaken was freed mid stasis as he was on the way to earth with the black bio weapon that makes xenomorphs and at the end of the movie Dr Shaw hijacks their ship to go to the engineer homeworld (which fails in the next movie)
You're also talking about a timespan of billions of years from the moment the Engineers seeded evolutionary life on Earth to when the Promethius Engineer was awoken after an undisclosed amount of time. Its fair to assume that Engineers were keeping tabs on human civilization and at somepoint they decided enough was enough and we had failed to meet their expectations. Kick starting the whole exterminate plot line.
There was discarded info about their belief system. I think that was more reflecting their willingness to dissolve themselves to create new things or whatever. I’m not sure where I read it but it also was also eluded to their reasoning for wanting to destroy humanity.
You do know that plant life came before animals on earth right?
that was literally 600 million years ago
everything evolved to not depend on animals and bugs at that time, they didn't exist
after 600 million years or something like that, you can bet the system will be much more integrated in a way that you cannot take parts of it and expect to function
I don't think you can remove literally every animal and insect in the world and have no consequences on plant life. I don't think that's how the world works
Even removing one species can have a disastrous impact on an eco system, imagine killing literally everything
Insects, animals and plants life synergy goes way beyond just bees and the sun
wouldn’t that just mean that all the plants dependent on animals and insects (aka most) would die, but w/e plants don’t (like moss?) would overtake the earth?
sort of like a hard-ish reset on land life evolution. you still have plenty of life, it just takes a while to settle into a new equilibrium, and it will probably take another hundreds of millions of years to get back the diversity.
(if there’s an actual plant nerd around, feel free to chime in)
Yeah, the black goo is effectively a hyperpotent biological weapon which almost instantly creates incredibly advanced ecosystems and bioforms, one of those when mixed with humans being the common xenomorphs.
If it gets into orbit and anything hits the planet (especially in an uninhabited area) the Earth is doomed. It theoretically should be containable if it hits a metropolitan area, albeit millions might die.
I’m curious what you would have liked to see actually, I’m one of the weirdos who loved the movie when it came out and couldn’t really see why folks didn’t like it.
That’s absolutely fair. Despite it fitting in the series, I used to think the characters were unreasonably ignorant and cartoonishly narrow minded.
But the past few years of watch it he news and watching my fellow man interact with each other I think Ridley Scott was right on the money. We just don’t like what we see in the mirror.
Imagine if Elon Musk was the one who made first contact? Jeffrey Bezos? Zuck?
I don't mind the obnoxious characters being obnoxious. I mind the ones I am supposed to root for being incompetent.
I actually think the new Alien movie is a good example of characters being justified in their actions. Each of the main two human characters acted with caution and whenever they acted on impulse it was in relation to someone they love being endangered.
However, there wasn't as much thought behind the actions of the main duo of scientists in Prometheus and it bugs me.
That’s fair again. I liked the new movie a lot and it definitely felt more solid than prometheus, but the movies had different scopes of story telling so I give more slack to prometheus. The movie might have benefitted from being called Icarus instead.
yeah, i do think the stupidity of the characters is what makes it bad. why weyland-yutani would pick such idiots to cross the galaxy on a trillion dollar spacecraft is beyond me. especially considering the plot twist.
I haven't seen the movie since it came out but I can't help but remember the scene when the MC gets an alien aborted and then walks casually into a room of people and says basically nothing about it and no one asks any questions about why she's like half-dead. Not to mention the "running away from a circle" death lmao.
Or the scientist who immediately takes off his helmet when the air is deemed breathable even though there could be microbes or carcinogens. Or the biologist who tries to pet a snakelike alien. Or the guy who mapped out the whole ship getting lost.
It kind of ruins the theme of arrogance and muddles the part where they confuse the warning for an invitation but yeah I guess. Though for the record they were right, as butt hurt as people get about it there was in fact nothing wrong with taking off their helmets.
Doesn't the MC's boyfriend get infected because he took the helmet off? I understand that the air is breathable and all that, but I don't buy that a scientist would take their helmet off 10 minutes after entering an alien structure. They've been there for a month and haven't found any issue with the air? Sure, take them helmets off, but it just seemed too idiotic for me
No, the only reason he gets infected is on purpose in the ship itself by the saboteur who both spills the container to spawn the worms while meddling with them after explicitly being told not to and purposefully infects him with its contents.
The difference between idiotic and arrogant is saying "there is no chance this will backfire" (which several crew members explicitly state is not the case) and saying "I know this might backfire but I'm special, I was invited, I believe they wouldn't create something here that would harm us and I've got enough faith to put my money where my mouth is," which is what actually happened
The air is breathable, take your helmets off and get a nice lung full of whatever microbes might be on this planet. What's the worst that could happen?
Within the first 10min of touching down on a new alien planet, a bunch of the scientists take off their helmets are start shoving their face at random stuff e.g. alien flowers.
It’s entirely opinion based but for me I loved it. The idea of a race of super beings creating a bio weapon is super cool. I love the idea that they use their bodies as a starter for evolution and I think it was super cool that it’s the first alien movie with the alien only showing up in the very end.
People give it crap but it’s honestly tied as my favorite alien movie next to the first alien. It’s worth a watch in my opinion.
I think people would agree with most of your comment. “The idea” of most of the things in the movie are very cool. It’s just the execution and therefore the actual movie that people don’t enjoy watching. I wish it was better executed because yeah, a lot of those ideas make for good scifi.
The cinematography of that forever overcast-partly cloudy planet, color hues, without a trace of green really creates a mood. Sure, the characters were stupid, but have you been outside or watched the news?
I really need to see the original Alien movies, though.
It's actually quite good, it has a few issues with plot that only can happen because the protagonists are idiots but it's not that much like everyone says, this scene included.
As a standalone movie 100%. They also cut out basically all of the scenes that gave the whole movie context. Read the script conversation between David and the engineer. It ties it all together and they cut it out completely.
My gripe might be more personal mostly, even with the cut scenes, but I just don't like that they made humans the center of the universe again.
In Alien, I loved the idea that it made space terrifying and unknown, because when we find life it could very likely be a hive mind insectoid killing machine. But Prometheus ruined it by claiming "oh the humans were the prize creation of the creators, and they created the Xenos too"
Didn’t the engineers worship the deacon-which is a xeno? If I remember correctly the black goo was the “blood of their god.” I feel like the whole story line from Covenant, that David created xenos was dumb and sort of contradictory. It seems the pathogen always ends up creating some version of xeno.
I agree though that the whole idea of humans being the center of the universe is stupid. Space is terrifying, chaotic, and indifferent to life forms in general is a better way to run with it.
The cut plan was that the Engineer was asleep because he had a chestburster in him. That's why he's so angry, he was woken up and given a death sentence since the humans can't heal him.
Also, that means he got abandoned by his OG species.
Bro effectively got schlitzed, left at a party by his crew, and then he gets fuckin’ woken up by teenagers rummaging through his pockets to find his stash.
You’d go on a Hulk murder rampage in the same scenario, don’t lie.
this entire movie wouldn’t have happened if even one (1) individual brought a gun larger than a shitty propane flamethrower. ffs this is an intragalactic spaceship there’s absolutely 0 reason for it to not have, like, gimballed battleship cannons
Not very big on Alien's lore. But wasn't society earth in a state of decay at this point? Other then the mega corporations so the defense systems that could shoot it down may not have worked at all.
Or was that reconned?
Or is it tossed up for interpretation? Used to watch a lot of lore videos on youtube and that was the way it seemed. That earth was just there but no real statement on it's status.
A) Even if it were shot down, its payload of extremely dangerous bio-hazard could still be a gigantic danger to Earth's biosphere.
B) You have no way of knowing whether human weapons can even touch that thing, and you don't have any with which to test that— so you can at least try basic physics.
C) Engineer spacecrafts are now known to be entirely biomechanical in nature, and yet, are capable of bending gravity around themselves and creating black holes. So, slamming into the thing while it's still in a gravity-well is pretty much the only way to stop that thing.
bisky12@reddit
the whole point was to keep the bio weapons literally designed to exterminate man kind contained in this planet (or i think it’s a moon i can’t remember)
cocainebrick3242@reddit
Debatable. We see an engineer willingly consume the bio weapon in the prologue and it disintegrates him into nothing but a pile of genetic stew from which a double helix, implying it's what they used to create humanity.
It does the same to main girls boyfriend, spawning that big face hugger in the process and the Newborn in romulus.
The bio weapon seems to be more of a mutagen rather than roided up ebola.
Planet.
bisky12@reddit
that’s not true. it’s explicitly stated in the movie that it was created to exterminate man kind. that’s like the main plot of the movie.
cocainebrick3242@reddit
Neither of those are true.
It's stated that that shit would fuck shit up if used on earth. It would melt all of humanity down and spawn some other shit but spawning is what it was created to do, not total global annihilation.
As to the plot of the movie. Half of it was just creations thinking they're superior to their creations and some shit that might have actually been deep if it was thought about some more rather than just shoved in haphazardly. The other half was an alien prequel which actively contradicts what we see in the prologue of alien so much that I actually have to wonder if anyone involved in production even bothered to rewatch the original film.
cdillio@reddit
Except in Covenant it’s explicitly stated that it has different versions and the xenomorph one was specifically designed to murder everything on earth and David uses it against the engineers.
cocainebrick3242@reddit
And it melts them down into genetic soup from which plant based facehuggers emerge.
Given that all the uses of the bio weapon we see effectively does the same shit we see it do in prometheus' prologue, it's safe to say they're basically the same.
It's difficult to tell what's meant to be up in the air and what's just poorly explained in prometheus and covenant because Ridley ~~is a pillock~~ has lost his touch.
WhenceYeCame@reddit
Thats even worse lol.
Life-seed Mutagen- Creates humanity from an engineer.
General Mutagen?: It makes worms that immediately kill anyone around, and a drop mutates a human into a rage monster and makes his semen shoot squids. Squid + Engineer then makes murder monster proto-xenomorph
WMD Mutagen: Seen dissolving people on contact. Starts mutating some them into proto-xenomorphs which David crossbreeds into THE Xenomorph.
Ass-Pull Goo.
Diezelbub@reddit
Well it doesn't make the worms exactly, there were regular worms in the soil around the containers that it mutated.
WhenceYeCame@reddit
So which goo is meant to wipe out a planet and which is meant to create the perfect organism?
RehoboamsScorpionPit@reddit
Who said they wanted to wipe out the planet permanently? It would made sense to reuse the material.
Diezelbub@reddit
The goo they ran out of by the time it was time to wipe humans is the latter, the goo on the bomber they stumbled across in Prometheus is the former
bitchtittees@reddit
The general mutagen that makes the squid in prometheus is the same stuff that genocides the engineers
WhenceYeCame@reddit
Why did it dissolve them and only spit out a few proto-xenomorphs?
bitchtittees@reddit
If I'm correct it doesn't spit out any proto xenonorphs in alien covenant.
The only aliens are the white protomorphs which are from the spores that are mutated by the black stuff, and the exomorph that came from the face hugger that was in the egg david had made.
To be fair they don't show or explain how he made the egg, other than "experiments" with Elizabeth Shaw's body
WhenceYeCame@reddit
The Mutagen took a planet of aliens, did nothing with them except dissolve them, and then made the mushrooms into deadly spore-monsters?
I'd be fine if it was just crazy mutations that turned everything it touched into a deadly monster that destroys life. But it's not even consistently inconsistent. The writing decisions are baffling.
bitchtittees@reddit
I know it sounds stupid because it is
Substantial-Cat2896@reddit
Were those the engineers? They lookt diffrent then the one on the ship, also i doubt that little place was the home planet
cdillio@reddit
They are the engineers and it was their home planet.
Source: am a huge alien lore nerd.
Evil-Dalek@reddit
Except it’s not. It’s clearly stated in Alien: Covenant by David that it’s not their homeworld and those aren’t the engineers. It’s another planet seeded with life by the engineers just like humanity was. They just happened to look more like the engineers than humans did. At the end of the movie David sets a course for the actual homeworld if I remember correctly.
WantsToDieBadly@reddit
I thought David was going to the world the ship was originally going to before they answered the distress signal and he puts the xeno embryos with the human ones
SlonyMidgal@reddit
Why the fuck people who had military bases on other planets with super-aids bioweapons in them and who seeded live on multiple planets lived in a literal middle ages village without any other ships/defenses is sight?
Now what I think of it, who thought it's a good idea to leave marking on Earth leading not to a normal planet of some sort, but straight to a military base full of super-aids.
PhranticPenguin@reddit
Space crew when they hear the news.
Chippings@reddit
Once the engineers had everything they realized what they really wanted was to live in a Renaissance festival 24/7.
Substantial-Cat2896@reddit
Aigth
cooljerry53@reddit
I think that goo from the start might be different than the goo later? though I don't remember exactly what happened when David releasesed it on the engineer colony in the Alien Covenant, I think it caused those engineers to make weird Xenomorphs. (Neomorphs I think?) Though that could be for a few hypothetical reasons, the engineers in that film do look different. It's possible that it might have been another planet seeded by them or something. Could also be that it only dissolves you in that fast acting way when consumed in a sufficient dose (thus why the guy David poisoned took so long with just a drop in his system). The goo also "reanimated" that one goon who drowned in it so... I don't know actually, the goo is basically a Mcguffin that does whatever the writer wants.
Evil-Dalek@reddit
I actually did a lot of research into this a while back. A bunch of stuff is explained in the script (where they translate the conversation between David and the engineer) and other deleted scenes. Essentially there was a precursor to the engineers that created them with the original goo. This goo is liquid nanomachines that can alter DNA to create genetically diverse life. Well the engineers after seeding a bunch of worlds started to run out of this life-creating goo. So they decided to try to manufacture more. They failed and ended up with the black goo which is similar and can alter DNA to create new life but does so in horrific ways. So instead they decided to start using it as a weapon.
cooljerry53@reddit
So the goo they used on earth in the prologue is, in fact a different substance than what was shown later? Fucking hell, if any movie could be completely improved with an extended cut, it’s this one.
WantsToDieBadly@reddit
Yeah I think it’s different and the engineer they unfreeze from stasis was mid way to earth to destroy humanity
KillerAc1@reddit
But why
ThatFuckingGeniusKid@reddit
Cause engineers created humans but humans turned out to be a bunch of asshole so the engineers sent Jesus down as a last resort to teach them how to be good but humans killed Jesus so the engineers decided to exterminate humanity. Then the engineer who was going to do it got infected so he put himself on stasis then the protagonists woke him up and he explained everything but when the asshole bussinesman demanded the engineer to grant him inmortality the engineer realized that humans are still assholes so he restarted the genocide.
It's all in the original script.
2based2cringe@reddit
The stuff David dosed people with was an altered version of the goo. He covers it in Prometheus when he monologues like an asshole about his experiments
caden_r1305@reddit
It seemed to pretty much peteify all the engineers on the planet when he released it, though it did also plant the little spurs that the two people eventually breathed in and spawned the weird neomorph things
UltraMegaKaiju@reddit
wrong, its a different substance
CrusaderNumber6@reddit
Watch the deleted scenes when they're talking to the engineer. It explains the whole movie.
tus93@reddit
It’s not clear if that’s the same material in the first scene, it could just be another product of the Engineers’ genetic experiments. Plus in Covenant it’s shown how that stuff specifically from Prometheus changes the entire ecosystem, and the dude from the first one got spiked with a single drop, not even close to a whole container.
In short, any of those containers hitting earth would not go down well.
DiesNahts@reddit
Debatable 🤓 Look at this guy with his reasonable theory backed up by things in the movie
I_am_What_Remains@reddit
That’s no moon…
thr33beggars@reddit
That’s no moon…
AgeSad@reddit
Even if it get shot down, if only one of those ammo reach the ground, all life on earth is dead...
Yosh1kage_K1ra@reddit
It's also way faster than the humans' ship and would've arrived to earth in a matter of months rather than years.
They wouldn't be able to even prepare for its arrival not like they even could.
The only chance was to knock it down while it was still taking off. After that it's as good as gone.
verbmegoinghere@reddit
Where was this shown?
This makes no sense. We have the entire Sol system colonised. We'd have a massive deep space network. With interstellar capable craft we'd be able to send a suicidal ship we'd be able shoot something at several percent of light speed.
Easy intercept. Like 15 billion kilometres to track and intercept it as it enters the system.
The weapon only made sense against primitive societies which was apparently RS's original idea that they had gone to stamp us out when we were coming up with religions that were design justify and hide wholesale levels of pedophilia.
Apparently there was gonna be some crap about the engineers meeting jesus or some shit and being super impressed.
Whatever. Stupidest movie ever made.
I've watch porn with a better continuity, better story, shit even better trouser snakes.
Yosh1kage_K1ra@reddit
Sure, bro, ready to put humanity on the line to test whether or not it's possible to catch unknown alien ship that's running on completely unknown technology clearly superior to anything you got when you can try to end it right here for good?
verbmegoinghere@reddit
Its 15 billion kilometres for godsake.
Its not like the ship has light speed capabilities. Otherwise why would they (both on the engineers and human ships) have hibernation pods.
At this point in the story humanity had colonised the Sol system. We had warships and the engineers ship was just a cargo vessel. A weed sprayer design to destroy primitive species before they could evolve.
Yosh1kage_K1ra@reddit
R u willing to bet on that?
These guys weren't.
verbmegoinghere@reddit
What's there to bet? Its a c-130 of spaceships.
The volume of space, our sophistication in several hundred years. We have ships that can travel to other fricken systems.
For sure we'd have a kick ass solar system wide defence system.
We have fucking battleship in this universe
Yosh1kage_K1ra@reddit
Again, willing to put entire humanity on the line for these assumptions after seeing all the scary advanced alien tech and what it does to humans?
You arguing all that is so fucking dumb it sounds like satire
verbmegoinghere@reddit
Yes
Emprasy@reddit
I'm sure humanity won't do stupid stuff with this dangerous bio weapon even if they manage to stop it before it reach the Earth
Yosh1kage_K1ra@reddit
they totally wont try to reverse engineer some kind of invasive uncontrollable monsters or accelerate human evolution
WantsToDieBadly@reddit
Yeah wasnt the ship full of that black goo crap that infects humans and makes xenomorphs?
Superfragger@reddit
the concept of selflessness is lost on 4channers.
MoogleSan@reddit
its the futa one
P0pt@reddit
it's not my fault overwatch futa porn is pure kino
BonkeyKongthesecond@reddit
Wouldn't even know anything about the game without all the porn around it tbh
Wesselton3000@reddit
Yeah 4channers are oblivious to selflessness. It’s like they can’t even grasp the scene where Noomi Rapace’s character jerks off Tracer. Like do they not understand that was needed to save the Omnics from the double dicked xenomorphs?
YareYareDaze7@reddit
They can't help it man, it's futa, not vanilla stuff.
SteampunkNightmare@reddit
But didn't the engineers make humanity in their image? I distinctly remember they used one of themselves to put amino acids and stuff into our oceans, and the whole plot was "where did we come from?".
ThatFuckingGeniusKid@reddit
It was explained in the original plot of Prometheus, the engineers are inmortal but sterile so they chose to create new life forms as way of passing their genes. So they create humans but humans turn out to be a bunch of assholes so the engineers send a human they raised to teach the rest how to be a good guy (Jesus was the guy they sent) then humans kill jesus and the engineers decide to exterminate humanity.
The engineer that was carrying that black goo gets infected so he choses to put himself on stasis in that planet, the protagonists wake him up and after explaining all of this the company owner or whatever that guy was asks him to grant him inmortality, this makes the engineer realize that humans are still a bunch of assholes so he restarts the genocide.
WantsToDieBadly@reddit
It’s been ages but since I watched it but from I remember the engineers wanted to destroy humanity as they saw them as a failure, the engineer they awaken was freed mid stasis as he was on the way to earth with the black bio weapon that makes xenomorphs and at the end of the movie Dr Shaw hijacks their ship to go to the engineer homeworld (which fails in the next movie)
MuskyChode@reddit
You're also talking about a timespan of billions of years from the moment the Engineers seeded evolutionary life on Earth to when the Promethius Engineer was awoken after an undisclosed amount of time. Its fair to assume that Engineers were keeping tabs on human civilization and at somepoint they decided enough was enough and we had failed to meet their expectations. Kick starting the whole exterminate plot line.
PoopyPicker@reddit
There was discarded info about their belief system. I think that was more reflecting their willingness to dissolve themselves to create new things or whatever. I’m not sure where I read it but it also was also eluded to their reasoning for wanting to destroy humanity.
WantsToDieBadly@reddit
I think as well there were two factions of Engineers who wanted to destroy humanity and the ones who created us
AgeSad@reddit
Not only human, but any animal. In prometeus 2 when the land of the planet, they realise there isn't any noise at all, even birds are dead
IWantToCobainMyself@reddit
And how the fuck does plant life can exist without animals and insects, is it explained?
InquisitorMeow@reddit
You do know that plant life came before animals on earth?
IWantToCobainMyself@reddit
that was literally 600 million years ago
everything evolved to not depend on animals and bugs at that time, they didn't exist
after 600 million years or something like that, you can bet the system will be much more integrated in a way that you cannot take parts of it and expect to function
Straight_Waltz2115@reddit
Most Plants only need the sun bruh
IWantToCobainMyself@reddit
I don't think you can remove literally every animal and insect in the world and have no consequences on plant life. I don't think that's how the world works
Even removing one species can have a disastrous impact on an eco system, imagine killing literally everything
Insects, animals and plants life synergy goes way beyond just bees and the sun
Foxehh3@reddit
It would kill current things that require the bugs, the plants that don't require them would overgrow and evolve. Current ecosystem =/= any ecosystem.
inspectoroverthemine@reddit
Many species of plant would die, many others would survive and thrive without competition.
Diezelbub@reddit
Kind of hilarious that people are choking on airborne polen half the year and wondering how any plants can survive.
Lopunnymane@reddit
Dude, the extinction happened a brazillion years ago, life just adapted
Raccoonsarefluffy@reddit
wouldn’t that just mean that all the plants dependent on animals and insects (aka most) would die, but w/e plants don’t (like moss?) would overtake the earth?
sort of like a hard-ish reset on land life evolution. you still have plenty of life, it just takes a while to settle into a new equilibrium, and it will probably take another hundreds of millions of years to get back the diversity.
(if there’s an actual plant nerd around, feel free to chime in)
TheOnlyBasedRedditor@reddit
Yeah, the black goo is effectively a hyperpotent biological weapon which almost instantly creates incredibly advanced ecosystems and bioforms, one of those when mixed with humans being the common xenomorphs.
If it gets into orbit and anything hits the planet (especially in an uninhabited area) the Earth is doomed. It theoretically should be containable if it hits a metropolitan area, albeit millions might die.
tus93@reddit
Yep, and Covenant makes it abundantly clear what would happen if any of it landed on earth.
BonkeyKongthesecond@reddit
As it should be
elephantgropingtits@reddit
so much Ridley posting lately
BuffBroccoli@reddit
Tbh Prometheus is a movie all about bad decisions
NeedsEvenMoreDakka@reddit
With this timing, did OP see the video Roanoke just put out, too?
kuktadanos@reddit
I kinda like this new meme of shitting on Prometheus, even tho i didnt hate it that much, its just funny as hell
RotarySam27@reddit
Anon is a xenomorph sympathiser. If that thing gets anywhere near earth, shot down or not, everything is fucked.
Little_Whippie@reddit
Did you miss the WMDs the ship is carrying? Where if one of those pods makes it to earth it’ll kill a lot of people?
HelloThisIsVictor@reddit
It carries enough to justifying invading Iraq
Punished__Snake@reddit
Earth would be like:
jumpcut to pentagon
jumpcut to alien life activists
jumpcut to engineer releasing black liquid before humanity could agree upon what to do
jumpcut to POTUS launching shit at the engineer
black goo spreads into water supply, obviously new york is turned into xenomorph fun land
es1vo@reddit
Where is this from?
PM_ME_GOOD_SUBS@reddit
Prometheus, people like complaining it.
Admiral_Oelschwanz@reddit
Because it had so much potential to be really cool but came out like that.
Lonely_Cosmonaut@reddit
I’m curious what you would have liked to see actually, I’m one of the weirdos who loved the movie when it came out and couldn’t really see why folks didn’t like it.
GreatDayBG2@reddit
I am fine with it now. I would have loved it had the characters been of at least average intelligence. The way they acted they had it all coming
Lonely_Cosmonaut@reddit
That’s absolutely fair. Despite it fitting in the series, I used to think the characters were unreasonably ignorant and cartoonishly narrow minded.
But the past few years of watch it he news and watching my fellow man interact with each other I think Ridley Scott was right on the money. We just don’t like what we see in the mirror.
Imagine if Elon Musk was the one who made first contact? Jeffrey Bezos? Zuck?
GreatDayBG2@reddit
I don't mind the obnoxious characters being obnoxious. I mind the ones I am supposed to root for being incompetent.
I actually think the new Alien movie is a good example of characters being justified in their actions. Each of the main two human characters acted with caution and whenever they acted on impulse it was in relation to someone they love being endangered.
However, there wasn't as much thought behind the actions of the main duo of scientists in Prometheus and it bugs me.
Lonely_Cosmonaut@reddit
That’s fair again. I liked the new movie a lot and it definitely felt more solid than prometheus, but the movies had different scopes of story telling so I give more slack to prometheus. The movie might have benefitted from being called Icarus instead.
GreatDayBG2@reddit
Yeah, Icarus could be suitable too
PM_ME_GOOD_SUBS@reddit
Well yes, it's bad. But it's from 2012 and there are still way too many greentexts about it.
NanolathingStuff@reddit
Not into Alien franchise here, is the movie "THAT" bad?
Superfragger@reddit
no it's not. the movie is fine, but it could've been much better for sure. i'm a big sci fi slop consumer tho so what do i know.
I_Lick_Lead_Paint@reddit
Smarter characters. That's all that's needed in the script and the movie would have been perfect. That soundtrack is incredible.
Superfragger@reddit
yeah, i do think the stupidity of the characters is what makes it bad. why weyland-yutani would pick such idiots to cross the galaxy on a trillion dollar spacecraft is beyond me. especially considering the plot twist.
I_Lick_Lead_Paint@reddit
They are yes men. That is the only reason I can think Weyland chose morons. Easy yes men
RockWithInternet@reddit
It's ok at best. Beautiful cinematography but the plot and characters are bad. You genuinely do feel everyone is an idiot.
Like it's mostly not an exaggeration online, you might think "Oh they can't be THAT dumb" - they just are that stupid.
Gary_FucKing@reddit
I haven't seen the movie since it came out but I can't help but remember the scene when the MC gets an alien aborted and then walks casually into a room of people and says basically nothing about it and no one asks any questions about why she's like half-dead. Not to mention the "running away from a circle" death lmao.
leviathansbane@reddit
Or the scientist who immediately takes off his helmet when the air is deemed breathable even though there could be microbes or carcinogens. Or the biologist who tries to pet a snakelike alien. Or the guy who mapped out the whole ship getting lost.
Descolorio@reddit
The helmet thing is the worst offender imo, so dumb and so easily replaceable by some kind of black goo sticking to someone's spacesuit
Diezelbub@reddit
It kind of ruins the theme of arrogance and muddles the part where they confuse the warning for an invitation but yeah I guess. Though for the record they were right, as butt hurt as people get about it there was in fact nothing wrong with taking off their helmets.
Descolorio@reddit
Doesn't the MC's boyfriend get infected because he took the helmet off? I understand that the air is breathable and all that, but I don't buy that a scientist would take their helmet off 10 minutes after entering an alien structure. They've been there for a month and haven't found any issue with the air? Sure, take them helmets off, but it just seemed too idiotic for me
Diezelbub@reddit
No, the only reason he gets infected is on purpose in the ship itself by the saboteur who both spills the container to spawn the worms while meddling with them after explicitly being told not to and purposefully infects him with its contents.
The difference between idiotic and arrogant is saying "there is no chance this will backfire" (which several crew members explicitly state is not the case) and saying "I know this might backfire but I'm special, I was invited, I believe they wouldn't create something here that would harm us and I've got enough faith to put my money where my mouth is," which is what actually happened
Genghis_Tr0n187@reddit
The air is breathable, take your helmets off and get a nice lung full of whatever microbes might be on this planet. What's the worst that could happen?
Invoqwer@reddit
Within the first 10min of touching down on a new alien planet, a bunch of the scientists take off their helmets are start shoving their face at random stuff e.g. alien flowers.
=
Surprise surprise they get an infection
Liquefied_Rat@reddit
Isn’t the alien flowers the movie after this one? With the colonization ship?
Drake9214@reddit
It’s entirely opinion based but for me I loved it. The idea of a race of super beings creating a bio weapon is super cool. I love the idea that they use their bodies as a starter for evolution and I think it was super cool that it’s the first alien movie with the alien only showing up in the very end.
People give it crap but it’s honestly tied as my favorite alien movie next to the first alien. It’s worth a watch in my opinion.
DrSpacemanSpliff@reddit
I think people would agree with most of your comment. “The idea” of most of the things in the movie are very cool. It’s just the execution and therefore the actual movie that people don’t enjoy watching. I wish it was better executed because yeah, a lot of those ideas make for good scifi.
KungFuSnafu@reddit
The cinematography of that forever overcast-partly cloudy planet, color hues, without a trace of green really creates a mood. Sure, the characters were stupid, but have you been outside or watched the news?
I really need to see the original Alien movies, though.
SilianRailOnBone@reddit
It's actually quite good, it has a few issues with plot that only can happen because the protagonists are idiots but it's not that much like everyone says, this scene included.
TroubledTill@reddit (OP)
I saw it after having seeing a million threads about it and i kinda liked it, kinda
Mesarthim1349@reddit
I will die on the hill that Prometheus would have been a solid movie if it had nothing to do with the Alien universe.
And the fact that it does, means it shits on the whole Alien franchise.
PM_ME_GOOD_SUBS@reddit
Yeah, the main problem is that it shits on the whole franchise. But if it wasn't an Alien prequel nobody would care enough to watch it. 🤷♂️
Whodat33@reddit
As a standalone movie 100%. They also cut out basically all of the scenes that gave the whole movie context. Read the script conversation between David and the engineer. It ties it all together and they cut it out completely.
Mesarthim1349@reddit
My gripe might be more personal mostly, even with the cut scenes, but I just don't like that they made humans the center of the universe again.
In Alien, I loved the idea that it made space terrifying and unknown, because when we find life it could very likely be a hive mind insectoid killing machine. But Prometheus ruined it by claiming "oh the humans were the prize creation of the creators, and they created the Xenos too"
Whodat33@reddit
Didn’t the engineers worship the deacon-which is a xeno? If I remember correctly the black goo was the “blood of their god.” I feel like the whole story line from Covenant, that David created xenos was dumb and sort of contradictory. It seems the pathogen always ends up creating some version of xeno.
I agree though that the whole idea of humans being the center of the universe is stupid. Space is terrifying, chaotic, and indifferent to life forms in general is a better way to run with it.
Mesarthim1349@reddit
You might be right, my memory is poor. I still reeeally don't like that new lore either lol
VRisNOTdead@reddit
because its just not a good movie.
"Hey send out the mapping drones"
5 min later
"im lost"
I_Lick_Lead_Paint@reddit
The cut plan was that the Engineer was asleep because he had a chestburster in him. That's why he's so angry, he was woken up and given a death sentence since the humans can't heal him.
Th3Seconds1st@reddit
Also, that means he got abandoned by his OG species.
Bro effectively got schlitzed, left at a party by his crew, and then he gets fuckin’ woken up by teenagers rummaging through his pockets to find his stash.
You’d go on a Hulk murder rampage in the same scenario, don’t lie.
Communist_Buddha@reddit
Space autism confirmed
TroubledTill@reddit (OP)
Kek, i see at least 5 threads about this movie on /tv/ everyday
Aorknappstur@reddit
4chan
Slave_Owner6969@reddit
HAHAHAHA
utkohoc@reddit
Username checks out
Worst-Panda@reddit
Good thinking, Anon
FinestCrusader@reddit
Romulus really made 4chan just get hyper obsessed with Prometheus huh
Marsium@reddit
this entire movie wouldn’t have happened if even one (1) individual brought a gun larger than a shitty propane flamethrower. ffs this is an intragalactic spaceship there’s absolutely 0 reason for it to not have, like, gimballed battleship cannons
thatguygxx@reddit
Not very big on Alien's lore. But wasn't society earth in a state of decay at this point? Other then the mega corporations so the defense systems that could shoot it down may not have worked at all.
Or was that reconned?
Or is it tossed up for interpretation? Used to watch a lot of lore videos on youtube and that was the way it seemed. That earth was just there but no real statement on it's status.
ThaShitPostAccount@reddit
Movie was so bad, it's 12 years old and we're still making fun of it.
That or, it finally made it to Tubi and people are watching it now. TBH, that's why I watched it.
295DVRKSS@reddit
All Vickers had to do to stay alive was to run left or right of the rolling ship and not infront of it to stay alive
Xivilai7@reddit
Is it not strange that like 20% of posts on here are about prometheus?
JohnBGaming@reddit
Anon didn't watch the damn movie. "Shoot it down when it gets to Earth". Could you tell me what the goal of the Aliens was here regard?
Dd_8630@reddit
If the alien ship gets anywhere near Earth, the xenomorphs would take over everything. They had to stop it leaving the planet at all.
useroftheinternet95@reddit
Anon is dumb af and doesn't understand the stakes
splashtext@reddit
Maybe I'm not looking at 4chin enough but was it movie night recently or something? Why are they all promeing on my theus
404nocreativusername@reddit
Cause or Romulus
splashtext@reddit
The real alien was the nostalgia we made along the way ❤️
psychobilly1@reddit
Alien Romulus came out recently and it has some connections to Prometheus. So people are rewatching the films.
An_Abject_Testament@reddit
A) Even if it were shot down, its payload of extremely dangerous bio-hazard could still be a gigantic danger to Earth's biosphere.
B) You have no way of knowing whether human weapons can even touch that thing, and you don't have any with which to test that— so you can at least try basic physics.
C) Engineer spacecrafts are now known to be entirely biomechanical in nature, and yet, are capable of bending gravity around themselves and creating black holes. So, slamming into the thing while it's still in a gravity-well is pretty much the only way to stop that thing.