Would you save the life of your beloved pet or an old (65+ yrs) stranger?
Posted by Simple-Noise-6745@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 186 comments
First off, let’s spare the mental gymnastics for whichever answer you choose.
This is just a social experiment of sorts. The question is hypothetical.
I honestly will not judge any outcome, I understand it’s not easy to answer.
In this scenario, you do not know and given no clues as to what this stranger’s character is like. You just know he/she is human.
Your beloved pet is simply your beloved pet.
Let’s go!
bishbashblob@reddit
It's extremely easy to answer 🤣
Beloved pet. Every time. Age of the stranger makes absolutely no difference to me!
KingPing43@reddit
You’d save your pet over a dying child?
bishbashblob@reddit
Not only would I, but I do it on a daily basis.
My dog costs me about £150 a month in insurance, food, vet bills, worming, yadda yadda.
According to data online, the average cost of saving a life in the third world is £2700 (which includes running costs of charities). But we could save some lives for even less, if we were specific about it. It only costs £100 to save a child dying from malnutrition, for example. And some cheap antibiotics might be able to save a child for even less than that.
So if my dog costs £1800 a year, by killing him I could save the lives of at least 7 kids.
Alternatively I could save 18 kids in Niger from malnutrition specifically in a single year!
So, if you have a mobile phone, or eat out at restaurants with your family, you are prioritising that over saving a dying kid, and I think a dog is worth much more than a phone contract, don't you?
Active_Young@reddit
Out of curiosity, if the world was watching, including the family of the stranger, would you make the same decision?
bishbashblob@reddit
Ooo, interesting.
That introduces all kinds of unknown variables. I've no idea how many people in the world will retaliate- I almost guarantee somebody would kill my dog just to punish me so it could be pointless to save him. Statistically out of billions of people, at least one would have the motivation to do it. Others might come after my family. I've a young child to think about, so it could become my dog vs my child.
Cancel culture may mean I would never be hired nor befriended again, even though probably around half of them would have saved their pets too, just judging by the answers on this thread so far...
So no, I probably wouldn't make the same choice, but not because of shame or whatever, but again just out of self-preservation and selfishness: if I save the stranger, it's not like all the dogs in the world will retaliate on behalf of my dog - but if I save my dog, the humans in the world just might.
I would still want to save my dog though. I don't know how I would live with the guilt of letting my dog down like that. My dog is my responsibility- the stranger is not.
Active_Young@reddit
So. If I killed your sister, child, parent or friend to save my dog you'd be happy with that?
bishbashblob@reddit
First of all, it doesn't say anywhere that we are the ones doing the killing. We are simply choosing who to save. BIG difference. Secondly, we don't know if the family of the one we didn't save would even know we had made that choice.
No of course I wouldn't be "happy" with it, but that's besides the point because the decision is predicated on the principle that we can and do prioritise our own. How can I expect you to prioritise my loved one when you don't know them but you really love your dog?
Look at it another way. If you could choose to save a baby or an 80yr old, I'm guessing you'd choose the baby. And then I could say "right so if I killed your granny to save a random baby you didn't even know, you'd be happy with that?"
Active_Young@reddit
Ha, whatever helps you sleep at night. The bottom line it that you're responsible for the human's death.
I would prioritise your loved one because I know the value of my dogs life. While I value you him an enormous amount, I also know that it would only impact me. My wife and I could bare that. Whereas I know a human likely has dependants, many more years to live, and possibly even a pet of their own.
Its not a nice decision, but its the right one. Your way of thinking is entirely selfish.
If you killed my Nan, so a baby could live, I would understand that. How is that even a question? I would make that choice myself.
bishbashblob@reddit
I never said it wasn't- in fact that was essentially my whole point
BlackJackKetchum@reddit
65 is old?
Bloody Hell, bad luck Emma Thompson, Hugh Laurie and Sean Bean.
DarkusHydranoid@reddit
Depends on the generation.
Simple-Noise-6745@reddit (OP)
I based it on the UK pension age.
Which, after checking, has changed to 66.
BlackJackKetchum@reddit
Once upon a time, an American school teacher asked his or her pupils what the opposite of ‘young’ was, and the answer received was ‘death’.
I’m a way off 65, so it doesn’t seem very old. Were I 18 (say), with parents in their 40s maybe it would.
Simple-Noise-6745@reddit (OP)
Brother, I hope you feel young till your last day. My use of ‘old’ is just technical.
BlackJackKetchum@reddit
No worries mate - it’s all relative.
decentlyfair@reddit
As a person who will be 60 in a few weeks I don’t feel old at all. When I look at my mum at the same age she definitely was old.
BlackJackKetchum@reddit
I know that in my late 50s I’m in way better nick than was my father at the same age. Better diet, more exercise and - TBH - an easier life.
seemsung@reddit
many dont get to live that long, 65 is old af
Hungry-Falcon3005@reddit
The majority live older than 65
seemsung@reddit
which does not make what I said untrue.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1125118/death-rate-united-kingdom-uk-by-age/
Dapper_Otters@reddit
65 is old, no matter how much the ‘late Middle age’ crew pretend otherwise.
MrSteveBob@reddit
Sean Bean is used to death
BlackJackKetchum@reddit
True.
GrumpyOldFart74@reddit
65 isn’t as old as it used to be - when I was a kid in the 70s, people who were 65 (or even not that old) were definitely “old people”. And that’s not JUST perception - go and which any news footage from that era or before and you’ll still see it.
People are definitely fitter and healthier and younger looking at 65 than they were then
On the other hand, I’m “only” 50 and I’m definitely too old for this shit!
newfor2023@reddit
Well the ones you see out and about maybe. The ones stuck inside attached to an oxygen tank don't get out much.
ChallengingKumquat@reddit
Look who is in their 60s or over, kidding themselves that 65 isn't old! 😆 🤣
___Scenery_@reddit
yeah? Those people are old
brazilish@reddit
65 has always been old bud.
Aworldwithouthumans@reddit
My pet. Stranger wouldn’t even get a second thought 🤷♀️
Active_Young@reddit
I wonder how many people would beg for their life (or a family member's) if a stranger was given the choice between saving them or saving their own pet.
No wonder the world is so messed up. Not a single rational thought.
Aworldwithouthumans@reddit
If a stranger had to choose between me and their pet I’d expect them to choose their pet and I wouldn’t be mad about it tbh
EverythingIsByDesign@reddit
I know my pet is a pure soul. Stranger could be an utter cunt for all I know.
secretstothegravy@reddit
Yep. Cat good. People cunts.
Buddy-Matt@reddit
I'd miss my cat. But not a stranger.
Eilistraee__@reddit
My thoughts exactly.
Ulfgeirr88@reddit
My first thought was to save my dog. He's saved my life a bunch of times, Inwpuld have to return that
sausagedog90@reddit
I was worried that I was the only one for a minute.
I tend to be pretty unsociable and on the more Asperger's side of the spectrum so that's probably why.
You could have posted a blank comment and people would know your answer simply from your username 😁.
MoaningTablespoon@reddit
At the current market price,I think the rate of exchange of strangers /beloved pets is about sacrificing ~99.27 strangers/pet. Anthony more than that might make me feel guilty
halnotsure@reddit
What? I'd save the life of my dog over the life of 10 stranger children. Without a second thought. Top 10 most ridiculous questions asked on this sub.
Simple-Noise-6745@reddit (OP)
Comments like yours reminds me of some I remember seeing in a once popular post regarding pro-choice v pro-life.
There were posts from pro-choice people saying things like “if I saw an embryo on the floor, I would just stamp on it like it’s nothing. Because it’s nothing.”
I’m pro-choice and I felt disgusted.
You choosing your pet doesn’t mean you have to hate humans, jeez lol.
halnotsure@reddit
Blatantly a question from someone who doesn't have a pet. Ridiculous post.
Simple-Noise-6745@reddit (OP)
30 seconds into your comments was all I needed to figure who you are. Lol
You sometimes wonder if your pet would stay with you if it truly understood who you are?
SpaTowner@reddit
I would want to save my pet, but I would save the stranger.
halnotsure@reddit
Are you serious? I'd go so far as to say I'd save my pet over a dozen stranger children without a second thought.
Rowanx3@reddit
You’ll just get another pet when your current one dies. Someone won’t get another relative.
blind_disparity@reddit
Today we learnt not how much redditors value their pet, but instead how much they couldn't give a toss about anything that doesn't directly effect them.
cautiouslypositive@reddit
IMO it's just a bunch of weirdos (probably mostly teens) desperately trying to be seen as "cool, edgy loners who hate humanity". Fortunately I don't believe a single one of them, when's the last time you heard a news story about somebody actually doing this?
IcyMushroom2639@reddit
"Let's go!" Ok. I'd save my dog.
Simple-Noise-6745@reddit (OP)
I feel like you are referencing something. Not sure what though, buddy.
IcyMushroom2639@reddit
Huh?
BrambleBum@reddit
Old? Fuck you
Simple-Noise-6745@reddit (OP)
I based it on the UK pension age, man. Which, after checking, has actually changed to 66.
What do you consider old?
BrambleBum@reddit
Calm down. It's just a joke.
Fit-Special-3054@reddit
My dog is my best mate. He is always happy to see me, always wants to be around me, is never mean to me. 100% I save my dog over some stranger.
decentlyfair@reddit
The nose though. On the rare occasion we leave the mutt at home, when we come home and open the door the tiniest bit the nose appears to greet us. Open the door and there is a massive white furry lump who is overjoyed to see us. When my mum was slowly dying she is what got me through some difficult days. I would get her lead and the happiness and joy watching her get all excited and her tail wagging as we walked lifted my spirits at a fucking awful time. So 100% her over a random person every time.
decentlyfair@reddit
Pet no question.
Informal_Marzipan_90@reddit
Pet 100% every time.
Active_Young@reddit
You just killed Sophie, a 65 year old, mother of 3, grandmother of 4, who enjoys gardening in her spare time and going on family walks.
She particularly enjoys days out at the beach with her grandchildren, who she often watches whilst their parents work, including her youngest grandchild Millie, who, due to her disabilities needs 24/7 care.
Her dog Riley, who loved her more than anything, is now alone in the world and will have to go into kennels. He's an older boy though, so unlikely to be rehomed.
Informal_Marzipan_90@reddit
Not my problem.
Active_Young@reddit
You're hard.
Informal_Marzipan_90@reddit
Well you seem to think that I would give more shits because you described some old woman and her relations. It’s not about being hard, your family are your responsibility.
rice_fish_and_eggs@reddit
The stranger obviously, I love my dog but an animals life is much less important than a humans.
English-Breakfast@reddit
Yep, agreed. Feel like I'm in a different world to most of the replies in this thread, some of which say its an absolute no brainer easy choice for pet. Wtf?
rice_fish_and_eggs@reddit
Yeah ita absolutely bonkers that people think it's a difficult philosophical question. Honestly it's actually made me quite angry that people would value a pets life over another human being.
Active_Young@reddit
I'm glad we're not alone! I genuinely can't believe the responses. It's simple critical thinking.
I can't believe how selfish people are. I've got a dog, I love dogs, losing one was heartbreaking. Would I do it again if it meant someone else could live? Yes.
I'm just gonna assume that most of these responses are from younger people whose brains haven't fully developed.
If not, they need to go out and touch some grass.
NoMind5964@reddit
Wow, someone with the correct answer at last!
oktimeforplanz@reddit
There is literally no such thing as a correct answer when it comes to philosphical and ethical questions. This is why philosophy continues to exist as an area of academia.
Anyone purporting to know the "correct" answer and thinks it can be expressed in a single sentence is someone who is utterly incapable of or refusing to spend time actually thinking deeply about the question, and all the ancillary questions it brings up.
If an animal's life is less important than a human's - why? What about different types of humans and different types of animals? What makes a human more important? An animal less important? Does your consideration change if you learn something about the stranger that tells you they're a bad person? The stranger is actually a murderer - do you still think their life is more important than the animal's? Why or why not?
Acting like this is a single neat question with a single neat answer is utterly absurd.
NoMind5964@reddit
Basic humanity.
rice_fish_and_eggs@reddit
I wouldnt trust these sociopaths saying they'd save their pet to even look after one.
NoMind5964@reddit
I wonder if they are the same people that would grab their belongings from the overhead locker when exiting a plane crash?!
rice_fish_and_eggs@reddit
I'd think they'd be capable of much worse than that.
knight-under-stars@reddit
I'm not disagreeing with you but why is an animal's life "much less important than a human's"?
And a follow up question, where do you draw the line? For example is the life of a paedophile more important than the life of an assistance animal?
Embarrassed_Park2212@reddit
My cat 100%.
MemoryIndividual@reddit
My pet obviously!
BringBackFatMac@reddit
The stranger of course.
I know you said that you wouldn’t judge anyone for their answers, but I would 100% judge someone for saving an animal, albeit one that they love very much, over a human.
Ok_Cow_3431@reddit
Only someone who doesn't own a dog could seriously consider this a question.
65+ is a great age for a human, lots don't make it that far
duowolf@reddit
Pet no question
Active_Young@reddit
Stranger, no question.
Imagine living your life (you might make it to 65 yourself!) and suddenly your parent, sister, brother, grandparent (or even you) drops dead.
When you ask why, you find out it's because some idiot decided their pet's life was more valuable.
I love my dog. The only thing I love more is my Wife. But the only person impacted by our dog's death is us. If I kill a human, I potentially destroy a family (maybe they have a pet of their own).
Even if that human ends up being bad, there was always a change they were good.
People who save the pet are selfish.
pyffDreamz@reddit
My pet no doubt about it
EvilTaffyapple@reddit
My pet, obviously
pikantnasuka@reddit
It's been a long long time since I had a pet. That might be why I am sure I would save the stranger. That and being a bit miffed that you think 65 is old.
Aggravating-Baker948@reddit
My pet, I love my cat toomuch and spend time with her every day.
MrNippyNippy@reddit
Easy - pet
I don’t know the other person in any way.
It’s like the whole “would you press the red button for a million quid” - no, I’d press it a few hundred times! We’ve too many people in the world anyway.
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
That isn't correct. It's just nonsense that r/iamverysmart type people use justify their weird nihilistic views.
MrNippyNippy@reddit
Is it not? How about providing some factual backup for your claims rather than sinking to the low of personal attack?
I’ll go first - how about a quote from David Attenbourgh?
“Others, meanwhile – including the British broadcaster and natural historian Sir David Attenborough – have labelled our swarming masses a “plague on the Earth”. In this view, nearly every environmental problem we’re currently facing, from climate change to biodiversity loss, water stresses and conflicts over land, can be traced back to our rampant reproduction over the last few centuries”
From:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220905-is-the-world-overpopulated
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
Sure. This is an article published by Nature. Myth 5 gives an overview, and there are references included for further reading. https://www.nature.com/articles/528322a
In a nutshell, we have enough global production output to sustain our population. The problem is one of engineering, socio-economic, political, and so on.
MrNippyNippy@reddit
You see I don’t read that link as what you’re saying in whole.
Obviously trying to boil down a complex issue to soundbites are difficult and fraught with the danger of over simplifying but I would say that is supporting the argument that the world IS already overpopulated if people which to have a standard of living on par with the current standard enjoyed in the first world.
Whilst my comment was over simplified (it’s easy to - and I’m guilty of, giving off the cuff statements without clarification) also I would argue that IF we wish the world as a whole to continue for generations to come we’re already looking at needing to cut our consumption let alone when billions of people in developing nations wish to have parity.
Obviously it would cause many other problems which would need to be solved but I would argue that a population reduction would be a significant boon to the environments health in years to come.
Just look at the UK as a single entity - we’re not even self sufficient in food production - eg. https://www.nfuonline.com/updates-and-information/self-sufficiency-day/#:~:text=According%20to%202023%20Defra%20figures,have%20seen%20a%20recent%20decline.
I don’t have figures to hand but even the current production is massively dependent on hydrocarbons (fueling mechanisation, fertilisation etc ).
Should we have a situation like the 2nd world war would we be able to actually feed the population? Looks like the population is about 1.5x now the population it was preWW2. https://www.statista.com/statistics/281296/uk-population/
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
It really depends on which lens you choose to view the issue. I'm probably making the discussion to complex by going on this tangent, but on a bigger scale, we are the only species in the universe that have this level of consciousness. In some sense, it's our duty to advance and explore to gain knowledge and understand the big questions.
To do that we need vast amounts of power and production, and have such a big output we need people. It's a fine balancing act. The population increasing isn't inherently bad. There's an argument to be made that we actually need more people to do it. However doing that lets to all sorts of problems: impact to the natural world, poverty, and so on.
On paper, we know and are producing enough energy, food, and have plenty of resources to increase the population. To do it safely, while keeping the world in good shape (ie managing climate), is a mix of being an engineering problem, political, social, fianancial, and so on.
To give you an analogy: some might argue that the housing crisis we currently have in the UK is because there are too many people. On the face of it, that's true. But the sensible answer is that we have too many people AND not enough homes. However the lack of homes is something that can be solved, but is held back by some of the issues I've already listed above.
Basically, it can be said that there is an overpopulation issue, but we have everything we need for more people, which would be beneficial to our ultimate goals as humanity, yet haven't been able as a global community to solve the other issues which make it a problem.
KaiserVonFluffenberg@reddit
I’m the same but somehow your reasoning makes it more evil. You’ve just got to accept you’ve killed innocent people for your own benefit, not to help the planet 🤷♂️
MrNippyNippy@reddit
So what?
Genuinely - people die all the time. A few more doesn’t make any difference in the grand scheme of things to me.
Also if they’re god fearing men or women they should be happy as they’d be in a better place.
KaiserVonFluffenberg@reddit
It just feels like the kind of justification to ease your own mind. It’s murder but I’d do it for a million quid a piece.
MrNippyNippy@reddit
Is it murder? I’m not killing them - just causing them to be killed and before you claim there’s no difference there absolutely is as I’m not doing the physical act.
Obviously it’s a shame for the atheists but the religious should be grateful as they’re going to heaven (whatever their version is)/being reincarnated etc - ie getting their rewards. After all why worry about your life in this lifetime if there’s something better coming up.
knight-under-stars@reddit
The more you type the more I'm rolling my eyes. You paint the picture of an extremely opinionated and lonely person with very little in the way of meaningful IRL relationships that challenge your blinkered view of the world.
MrNippyNippy@reddit
How about actually using logic and facts for a debate rather than falling to personal attacks?
Or is that too hard for you?
knight-under-stars@reddit
I did use logic. My impression of the kind of person you are is entirely painted by logical interpretation of the comments you have made here today
It's not a personal attack to describe back to someone the way they are presenting themselves. And if you think that it is, then maybe you need to worry a bit less about thinking like a robot and start thinking more like a human being.
MrNippyNippy@reddit
And yet no facts
KaiserVonFluffenberg@reddit
Whatever makes you sleep at night smh
sausagedog90@reddit
That's an interesting take, huge amounts of people die in horrid conditions making all the cheap goods we consume every day. Yet we're all happy to carry on consuming, the b/millionaire corporation owners are indirectly causing the deaths through inaction on safety standards and benefiting hugely.
Where do we each draw the line. It reminds me of that poster of the lined up animals and the question of "what's a pet and what's a food source".
KaiserVonFluffenberg@reddit
We, as humans are inherently selfish, the whole point of the hypothetical for me is “would you live with guilt for x amount of money” so trying to justify the deaths seems futile and against the whole point of the hypothetical.
knight-under-stars@reddit
Christ alive I get your sentiment but the way you word it makes you seem like a proper Patrick Bateman.
I wonder how someone who says things like this would actually react in such a situation. It's dead easy to act like an emotionless logic machine on the internet when nothing is at stake but situations like this in real life fuck people up. I have a feeling your callous flippant attitude towards human life would come crashing down if this happened for real.
MrNippyNippy@reddit
Well it’s unlikely I’ll ever get the opportunity.
knight-under-stars@reddit
I hope you never do.
MrNippyNippy@reddit
Well you never know - I may become an MP
Fantastic-Support524@reddit
Are you Israeli by any chance?
MrNippyNippy@reddit
Scottish - grew up in a very religious area though, lots of wee frees etc.
Fantastic-Support524@reddit
Fair enough I deleted my Israeli comment as I didn’t want any backlash, but I guess at least you’re honest! 😎
MrNippyNippy@reddit
My general philosophy is “do as little harm as possible “ but you’ve also got to balance it with the benefit of yourself and the people in your life.
I don’t like the idea of people suffering in other countries but we all benefit to some degree or other in suffering of life. Our lifestyle of consumption is causing suffering already wrt climate change, plus cheap clothes produced in sweat shops etc etc. hell if you’re to believe the stories the iPhone I’m typing this on hasn’t got the best record of staff at the manufacturing plants being treated well (it’s been claimed Foxconn installed anti suicide nets around their plants).
As for the religious side - Well that is genuinely the outcome of religion. Them and us, look at things like the Inquisition or the churches role in the clearances for example.
poopants5@reddit
I'd be interested to hear if all these people that would save their pets would be angry if they knew a stranger had the opportunity to save their parent or another loved one but chose to save their own pet instead. Would they just say 'yeah fair enough?'
Of course I would save the stranger. I love my cat but she is just a cat, human life takes precedence.
Hungry-Falcon3005@reddit
What if the stranger is a dickhead and I’ve just let the happiest dog in the world die for them. My pet every time.
Hungry-Falcon3005@reddit
My dog. He’s familu
Rowanx3@reddit
Stranger
Accomplished-Cod7819@reddit
Definitely my pet 2 cats 2 pugs any. Wouldn’t expect any stranger to pick me over their pet either 🤷🏼♀️
Smiley_Dub@reddit
Pet 💯 my pet passed away many years ago. He couldn't be replaced. I loved him deeply. Broke my heart.
Stranger no chance if it's a choice
mrhippoj@reddit
Pet. I will basically always choose the life I personally care about over a stranger. I'm not Spider-Man, I don't need to worry about this sort of thing
ItsUs-YouKnow-Us@reddit
Pet. I love my goldfish!
mergingcultures@reddit
Definitely saving my pet stick insect too!
mergingcultures@reddit
Am I absolved from any repercussions of not saving the person? If so, it would be the dog.
If I was potentially on the hook for a criminal charge for not helping the person, then the stranger.
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
It has to be the stranger that is saved. Infact I can't think of any reasonable logic for saving the pet no matter how loved it is.
bishbashblob@reddit
The reasonable logic is that all of us are inherently selfish and our psychology has evolved to protect those in our tribe/family above others. Most people regard their dogs as part of their tribe. As for other animals - yeah if it was a mouse or somesuch it would be a poor choice, but ain't no world in which I prioritise some random person over my dog lol.
Another point of logic - the grief I would have to live with every day if I killed my dog. If the stranger died I would forget about it quickly.
I'm honestly surprised by the answers in this thread...
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
That's the logic behind saving the pet, but it doesn't make it the logical outcome. As a human, I need to value human life above everything else, because our existence is fundamentally all we have.
bishbashblob@reddit
Meh. It's not like the human race is under threat. It doesn't really matter which one dies in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't matter to the human race whatsoever.
I truly think most people do value the lives of their pets over the lives of humans they've never met, even though humans are the same species.
How far would you take the logic of valuing human life above everything else, just out of curiosity? A prisoner on death row vs your beloved pet? A pedophile? Or simply someone who was already a week away from a painful death from cancer?
Personally the only scenario I see myself choosing the stranger is if my dog is already dying of a terminal illness.
knight-under-stars@reddit
The reasonable logic is clear. People value their pets more than they do complete strangers.
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
I know that, that's why I said "no matter how loved it is". I'm aware of the logic behind a person choose their much loved pet, but I'm saying the outcome would be illogical, which is different.
knight-under-stars@reddit
Only it's not illogical at all. You can't just declare something illogical with no basis, that's the antithesis of logic.
If we are working on pure logic then the only logical answer is to save the beloved pet. To save the complete stranger who is only connected to you by means of you sharing a species is a social morality decision (i.e. valuing human life over other species), not a logical one.
MeanCustardCreme@reddit
No, I think valuing human life over all other species is the correct answer, because without that value our entire existence becomes meaningless. Saving the life of a pet, because you love it, is the logic. However it's illogical to allow the death of another human over the dog.
knight-under-stars@reddit
So you claim however your justification for this is a morale one:
You are conflating a question of morality with logic. They are not the same thing.
NoMind5964@reddit
Imagine being told someone chose to save their mutt rather than your mother. Western world has gone mad.
oktimeforplanz@reddit
I have obligations towards my family (and as far as I'm concerned, my pet is part of my family), not yours.
I wouldn't intentionally kill your mother, but I don't think for a second I have any duty, as an entirely untrained person, to try and save another person in any scenario, especially one where if I try, I might just make it worse.
If your mum is drowning, I'm not going to jump in after her because I know that that just makes it likely that there'll be two people drowning now. etc.
But if it makes you feel any better - I can't think of any situation where my pet and your mother are both in mortal peril and I, for some reason, will be the ONLY person capable of saving them AND only capable of saving one.
NoMind5964@reddit
And you sir, are exactly the type of person as to why society is falling apart. There is a beauty to helping a stranger that you will never understand.
oktimeforplanz@reddit
Not a sir - not everyone on Reddit is a man.
Second of all - people have been saying society has been falling apart due to perceived moral failings for as long as society has existed. The Ancient Greeks, the Ancient Romans, all of them have said it. And yet the concept of people living in societies continues to exist, because what I might do in an absurdly unlikely (to the point of being likely to literally never happen to anyone) is not the cause of whatever you perceive as the ills of society.
simmyawardwinner@reddit
pet
Consistent-Show1732@reddit
Depends on the scenario. If both were drowning, for example, I would probably go for the human, as the pet, most likely a dog in this case, is more likely to save itself. If it something less urgent than that, there would be a chance to enlist others and save both.
oktimeforplanz@reddit
But in a drowning scenario, the person is quite likely to kill you unintentionally. When someone is panicking in the water, they will often grab on to whatever they can, and this can and does lead to people (again, wholly unintentionally) putting their attempted rescuers underwater. I know I'm not trained in how to properly save someone in the water and I'm not confident I'm a strong enough swimmer anyway, so I would honestly never even consider jumping in after a stranger because of the high chance that it just becomes two people drowning.
Consistent-Show1732@reddit
That's very true.
ArcadeCrossfire@reddit
My pet, absolute no brainer. Not a fan of people in general on a good day let alone a complete stranger
ArcadeCrossfire@reddit
My pet, absolute no brainer. Not a fan of people in general on a good day let alone a complete stranger
Which_Environment_46@reddit
People I don't know die all the time. My dog saved, 100%.
28374woolijay@reddit
People die all the time, but you don’t have the choice to save those people. Dogs die all the time too, so really your justification isn’t actually valid.
knight-under-stars@reddit
You've completely missed the point here. Their dog doesn't die all the time.
Which_Environment_46@reddit
Yup. The difference between my response and theirs (which is an absolutely fair and logical point, this is an interesting thought experiment) is that I am viewing it from my own POV, as the parameters of the question dictate, whereas they are viewing it from the third person overlooking the whole scenario. That is indeed different.
Which_Environment_46@reddit
Schrödingers victim. Your argument is a fallacy in itself. There are two possible states - One living being I know, love and can see saved is saved while another I don't know and don't see die, dies, while many other beings (both dogs and humans) that I don't know die anyway and I don't see them die.
OR another living being I don't know and cant see be saved, is saved while one I know and can see die, dies. In this as in both scenarios, both other humans and other dogs die regardless.
If you chose your pet and I died as a result, neither of us would be remotely aware of any of the details and it wouldn't matter in the slightest to either of us as the potential for me to die is ever present anyway, as, like you stated, both humans and dogs die anyway.
If you want to get really moral about it at a higher level, as a though experiment, even responding to this thought experiment is contradictory. Put down the device you are using now as someone you don't know almost certainly died for you to be able to type here.
Which_Environment_46@reddit
Watching the up and downvotes happen concurrently one after the other here is interesting.
Change the situation slightly - I would save a loved one over someone elses pet.
Neither is a difficult choice to make in the slightest, given the parameter that you don't know or experience the death, and everyone pretending to be a moral king is kidding themselves on.
Delicious-Cut-7911@reddit
A stranger. pets only have 10yrs average lifespan. 65+ could live another 30 years.
pennikin@reddit
Pet ! No question
oktimeforplanz@reddit
It would seriously depend on the scenario we're talking about here. I can't think of a situation that would put both my cat AND a random person in mortal peril.
Drowning - pet. I'm not trained in how to save someone from water. I'm not a strong enough swimmer either. I'd just be risking making this a situation where two people are drowning and now it's an even harder situation for anyone else trying to help (professional or otherwise). But I'm confident I could get my cat out of the water.
A fire - pet. I read something somewhere that said a lot of deaths in house fires happen because of people trying to go back in to save pets, and my god that would be me.
Some kind of "use all of your money to save the life of one of them" - pet. Easy, hands down. Sorry to the stranger but my pet is part of my family.
I think you get the idea haha
28374woolijay@reddit
Imagine you were finally looking forward to your retirement after so many years working and some roadman watches you die as he saves his XL Bully.
NoAimElaine@reddit
Problem is that it can be applied to anything. Imagine a homeless man sitting outside begging for food, but you just walk past him and go buy yourself a giant steak dinner and some fancy dog food for your dog. You could save the man, but we are selfish and this stranger doesn't impact your life one bit so he's not even granted a second thought. Not saying either choice in OPs scenario is right or wrong, but it's interesting that in a burning scenario the human should always gets saved, but in everyday life we will walk past humans that needs saving on the daily.
HaloHeadshot2671@reddit
The stranger. If you choose anything else you're a legit psychopath
knight-under-stars@reddit
I'm not disagreeing with you but why does any other choice make you a "legit psychopath"?
And a follow up question, where do you draw the line? For example are you a "legit psychopath" if you choose to save an assistance animal, essential to the wellbeing of someone over a paedophile?
Extreme example I know, but I'm illustrating that this is not half as black and white as your comment makes out.
Abaddononon@reddit
Found the cat owner
luckeratron@reddit
That was my take as well.
Qyro@reddit
Not a hard choice at all. Beloved pet every time.
BadgerSame6600@reddit
my dog, he is my responsibility and I am made that promise to take care of him to the absolute best of my ability.
_DNL@reddit
Pet, easy decision.
Random people die every day.
capturingnland@reddit
I’d save my pet over my actual husband let alone a stranger. (Joking honey, if you’re reading this)
Usual-Sky6568@reddit
I’d save my dog before most people I know never mind a stranger
ExternalSection3118@reddit
The human. Anything else based on such little knowledge feels incredibly cruel.
justanoldwoman@reddit
I'd always save my pet over any stranger no matter what their age.
chequemark3@reddit
The person.
shredditorburnit@reddit
One old stranger Vs an animal I love? Bad luck to the stranger.
I value people (human or otherwise) based on love for each other. Thus I would make instant decisions if forced to pick between any of my family/friends and some random. There's 8 billion randoms and only a handful of people who truly matter to me.
Now don't get me wrong here, if it's a random dog Vs a random human, I'll pick the sapien every time. But this isn't about that, it's about how much I personally care for one person (my pet) Vs how much I care about a random person.
Seeing as losing a pet makes me very sad and reading about someone I don't know dying in the paper doesn't move me much at all...seems like the sensible choice. I wouldn't enjoy having to explain it to the random's family after the fact though.
And to be fair, there's a chance the random is a complete bastard.
Equivalent_Ask_1416@reddit
Save both of them if it's possible, but I think it depends on the situation and the cat and elderly person's behaviour. I wouldn't want to save a cat who is hissing at me or scratches/bites me. But then, if the elderly man or woman is disrespectful, then why would you save them? This is a game of emotional attachment if anything, but generally it depends on the environment you're in and the context.
CriDuck@reddit
You’re awful at hypotheticals. OP said gut instinct, and you’re basically said “both, neither, maybe, idk?”
CriDuck@reddit
Pet. At the end of the day your life is a silo. What happens outside of it barely affects you. Do what makes you happy rather than other people happy.
DrH1983@reddit
The pet.
Melodic_Arm_387@reddit
My pet. Sorry not sorry. She is more important to me than a stranger. I believe people who say they would not would prioritise their own loved ones over strangers are lying, and I love my dog.
alittlegelfling@reddit
You don't know if that stranger is a terrible person, you 100% know your dog is a good boy/girl. :)
nosajn@reddit
I'd save my dog. He had a tough life before we had him, and I made a promise which I'm not going to break for an old codger.
sxcpetals@reddit
my dog…I don’t care how old the human is- my dog any day any night any time is who I choose to save. Even in a Harry Potter circumstance of being at the bottom of the ocean. I would go back for the human but I would save my dog first despite knowing the human might die.
Knowlesdinho@reddit
I'd choose my pet over most of the people I know and love in my life, even though she's an ungrateful, potentially murderous constant annoyance, but look at that face!
ChallengingKumquat@reddit
My dog died 2 years ago and I still miss him and long for him every day. Meanwhile, strangers die all the time and I barely give it a second thought.
I'd save my pet over 100 strangers.
Midniteman86@reddit
Silly me completely misread/misinterpreted the question and thought you were asking if I would save the life of a strangers pet lol
VolcanicBear@reddit
My pet.
Could I also swap the stranger for the mid 20s feral chavs around me? Hell we could save a fair few let's if we do the lot.
DivineJibber@reddit
Look at it from a difference lens. If you weren't there but I was, would it bother you that I was deciding whom to save or would it be clear cut now that you're not the one deciding?
And this sort of thing has been discussed a lot if you look hard enough. The common one of a burning building to save a stranger closer to the door or a loved one up a few flights of stairs?
Several_Inevitable76@reddit
My dog 1000% I would even save her over some 65 yrs + non strangers.
BabaYagasDopple@reddit
lol, I’m saving my pet over anyone.
yourmomsajoke@reddit
My pet.
There's all the jigging about and working out in the world but my guy has saved my life 3 times or more, I will be his guardian until the end. He gets all the treats and cuddles and pets because he's my guy. My heart pet.
bishibashi@reddit
Completely horrible decision, but the human
Imaginary-Quiet-7465@reddit
I don’t think I could live with knowing I let another human perish when I had the chance to save them. Presumably this person has family and friends who love them? How would I feel if someone chose to save their pet over my grandparent? What if this person knows I have a choice and watches helplessly as I save an animal over them?
knight-under-stars@reddit
I don't actually know. I've sat and pondered this for a good five minutes now and changed my mind multiple times.
I don't think I would truly know what I would do unless placed in that position. And even then, I would probably spend much time afterwards reflecting if I made the right decision.
whoops53@reddit
Well you'll feel if the decision was right by either the sinking feeling in your stomach, or the relief in your head
knight-under-stars@reddit
You're assuming that would be a one and done thing whereas I think its far more likely that it is something that would be mulled over for quite some time.
everyoneelsehasadog@reddit
My dog, every time. He didn't ask to live with me. But my responsibility is to him because I'm his person and the only other person he's got is my husband. Just two people in the whole world who put him first. So, my dog.
whoops53@reddit
My pet. Instant choice, no thinking.
RikB666@reddit
I'm saving my cat, even though it just sees me as a target for casual violence.
Sloppypoopypoppy@reddit
What’s the situation. Probably the cat in all honesty. But the stranger before me, if that makes sense?
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