Was there ever a creepier movie hook-up besides Baby and Johnny?

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Klutzy_Attitude_8679@reddit

Flowers in the Attic is way fucking worse.

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Baby is 17 in the movie and though Johnny was 24 it's hardly a movie that celebrated rape. It's not l7ke Johnny was cruising middle schools for girls. He barely gave baby any attention at all until he had to and then fell in love.

Not to mention though she might have been 17 pretty sure the story take place the summer after she graduated high school before she started college.

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Ralph--Hinkley@reddit (OP)

Johnny was 25.

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ExtraAd7611@reddit

The sex scene in Revenge of the Nerds did not age well.

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Mouse-Direct@reddit

Not to mention Ted & Caroline in Sixteen Candles.

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CynfullyDelicious@reddit

And skids and Gary and Wyatt….

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stevieoats@reddit

Was Lisa was technically an infant?

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ClmrThnUR@reddit

must rewatch. fav hughes movie by a mile lol.

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Mouse-Direct@reddit

It’s the summer before her freshman year of college, 17 was legal in NY (and still is), he’s not in a position of authority over her, and gives her both a gentle introduction to sex and a new sense of belief in herself. There’s no “great love story.” It’s a coming of age film — no one believes Johnny and Frances stay together after the film. It’s consensual and equally satisfying for both of them. Far less creepy than the rapes in Sixteen Candles and Revenge of the Nerds and the betrayal in Risky Business.

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WillieDoggg@reddit

I’m not disagreeing with everything you say, but it’s strange how much society relies on local law to decide what’s moral or not.

If the same exact thing happens in a state where the age of consent is 18, it’s largely considered an evil rape.

More nuance should be applied in both circumstances. It shouldn’t go from evil rape to completely acceptable simply because of the difference in the law between states.

It should be recognized as not the end of the world, but definitely creepy, in both states.

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Mouse-Direct@reddit

But it’s important, too, to remember that we’re talking about the mores of 1963 when the median age of first marriage for men was 22.8 years and 20.3 years for women. 17 wasn’t considered a child then. I was 17 in 1987 when this film was released. Every female friend I had at the time had a boyfriend over 21. That has changed dramatically in the past 35 years, especially since women have more options after high school than marriage and motherhood.

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WillieDoggg@reddit

Same point. Same as people using a law to decide what’s moral or not, it’s strange to use a year to defend what’s moral or not.

A law or a year shouldn’t so drastically decide what’s ethical.

If it wasn’t super creepy in 1963, then it’s not super creepy now. If it’s super creepy now, then it was super creepy in 1963. You can’t have it both ways. What, 17 year olds were more emotionally advanced in 1963? Just because something creepy was acceptable doesn’t take the creepiness away.

In 1963 society also thought being gay was a moral defect. I can’t say society was right both in 1963 and today because of changes in social mores or laws. What’s right is right. What’s wrong is wrong.

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Mouse-Direct@reddit

Dude, if you can’t agree that there were different expectations for 18 year olds in 1963 than in 2024, I think you’re in the wrong sub.

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WillieDoggg@reddit

Dude, if you think people with a different opinion than yours means they should be in a different sub, then I think you are in the wrong sub. Ha.

And I said nothing about “expectations”. There are different “expectations” for people in Afghanistan than in the U.S. today. I’m talking about what’s moral or ethical. Not expectations.

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ClmrThnUR@reddit

whataboutisms aside, it's creepy af.

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Mouse-Direct@reddit

It’s just wild to me that so many Xers seem to feel this way, because most Silent Gen marriages were 18 year olds marrying college grads. Over half of my graduating class (88) got married right out of high school, and the girls usually married someone in their 20s because they had jobs. I just don’t find it creepy for 1963. I find it typical. 2024 is a different story.

And whataboutism is allowable because the question was “Was there ever a creepier movie hookup…?” and yes, yes there were.

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casade7gatos@reddit

The spending the night scene in Big? I don’t even remember what all happened with it, but he was young young beneath his adult appearance.

Also the collected oeuvre of Brooke Shields.

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Ralph--Hinkley@reddit (OP)

"Sleepover?"

"Okay, but I get to be on top!"

To be fair, Josh was an adult.

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chikn2d@reddit

Harold and Maude anyone?

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Comedywriter1@reddit

Hate that movie. The comedian Colin Quinn once posted this on Twitter:

“I’ve had the time of my life” at a summer camp with abortion and theft and betrayal. That’s great. You are what we call low maintenance I guess.

😂

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HPIndifferenceCraft@reddit

Colin is the best of us.

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Ralph--Hinkley@reddit (OP)

I love Colin.

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Comedywriter1@reddit

Same.

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Away-Equipment4869@reddit

Harold & Maude

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Ralph--Hinkley@reddit (OP)

That's not Maude, that's Philo Beddoe's mom.

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Ok_Television9820@reddit

Don’t be fatuous, Ralph.

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ClmrThnUR@reddit

i'm herein to fixen de cabbel.

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CantHardly@reddit

I have to disagree. Harold was an adult and entered that relationship willingly. Before Maude, he had no interest in life or relationships, and was just waiting to die. They developed a friendship long before anything intimate happened.

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mrhemisphere@reddit

Claire making over Allison so that douche bag Andrew would notice her

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Ralph--Hinkley@reddit (OP)

They were the same age though.

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SokkaHaikuBot@reddit

^Sokka-Haiku ^by ^mrhemisphere:

Claire making over

Allison so that douche bag

Andrew would notice her

^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.

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CynfullyDelicious@reddit

The Thornbirds has entered the chat…

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ClmrThnUR@reddit

i read that in the 5th grade haha

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PickUpThatLitter@reddit

We currently live in a culture that has completely sexualized youth through social media, ubiquitous access to porn and platforms like onlyfans…and we are going to dump on Dirty Dancing? Ok.

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ClmrThnUR@reddit

so many whataboutisms in this thread haha. our world is big enough that all of it can be gross at the same time.

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MrTMIMITW@reddit

Oh look someone that hasn’t studied history. Sexualization of the youth isn’t a recent phenomenon. It’s older than the pyramids. The human life expectancy before modern times used to only be about 30 years. Women used to lose a lot of their children before age 5 so they needed to birth 5-8 children in order for 2-3 to survive. Teen pregnancy was the norm.

Only very recently with industrialization did we as a society care about giving the young a separate period in life and treat it as something sacred, and set an artificial boundary line between child and adult at 18. The reality in most of human history is that a girl became a woman when she reached puberty, was married off, and she’d typically have her first child by age 15.

Don’t take my word for it, look it up online. There’s a huge difference between when women got married between 2020 and 1720. There are even differences globally just in the last 20 years.

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Ok_Television9820@reddit

The idea of “youth” is indeed incredibly recent. Kids were taken care of and fed until they could work, then they worked. Women became marriage and procreation units as soon as they were capable of that. Kids these days don’t know how good they have it!

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lancerreddit@reddit

Thought the movie was ok.

But the best thing about the movie was the soundtrack

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cyranothe2nd@reddit

There are definitely creepier hookups. At least Baby and Johnny was consensual, though the age difference is problematic by modern standards.

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Ralph--Hinkley@reddit (OP)

the age difference is problematic by modern standards.

Seventeen and twenty-five? I'd like to think so.

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cyranothe2nd@reddit

I still like the movie though... It is a problematic fave.

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Invisible_Xer@reddit

Thank you! I’ve been saying this for decades.