Apart from other stupidity. ( Like it didn`t invent Communism, just because a German did. Karl Marx used German social philosophy and english economics ( he spend a lot of years in London too ) to create his Communist ideology.
"get billions in free money from the naive allies to rebuild our economy".
That`s so fucking wrong. Germany only got 1.3 billion, not "billions". It wasn`t free, Germany paid it back for the most part. Germany was one of the last recipients to get money because the Allies only later realized that keeping the Germany economy down, kept all of Europe down. Likewise the Marshall Plan wasnt the thing that saved Germany`s economy ( Germany barely used their funds before 1953 and Germany`s economy recovered in 1948 already ), it was no longer suppressing it and allowing Germany control over it`s own finances again, the recovery of Germany started before they got a single loan from the Marshal Plan.
The patents the USA stole from Germany were worth $120 billion dollars. Stealing the intellectual property of a country is so much more damaging than just destroying the industry or just stealing money, because intellectual property is where you make the real money. So this has been the worst trade deal of all time, JUST because of that. This is like "We lost all our Apple Trees which made an income of 50 billion every year, but hey we got 1 billion apples which we had to pay back, so we totally outplayed you lmao". No. Germany´s ENITRE heavy industry was dismantled. Germany lost millions of people. Germany lost tens of thousands of scientists not only because of their Nazi ideology, but also because the Allies stole even scientists and engineers.
"Naive allies". They were helping themselves with great success. That Germany benefited somewhat from that aswell ( I am sure msot Germans would have prefered to keep their entire country, not to have their country split in half, kept their intellectual property which was the most advanced in the entire world in many fields of the natural sciences by the way ( not a hyperbole unlike that idiot ), to keep their industry, to keep their land rubble-free and so on. ).
Same reason why they kept soldiers in Germany. If war broke out, Germany would be the frontline for both sides of the Cold War. Again the Allies were helping themselves, not being kind.
Anon also forgot East Germany suffered under Communism.
"Communism completely destroys eastern Europe for centuries to come". It has not even been a single century, Anon is again using extremely stupid hyperboles. And looking at Poland, it has recovered and is one of the fastest growing economies for the past 30 years especially after they joined the EU. The USSR damage was harsh, but it didn`t completely destroy anything and it only resulted in a setback for a couple of decades at worst.
"be super smug & makes fun of..." ? Anon is projecting hard. This dipshit doesn`t know shit. Maybe it`s his basement dweller "friends" who are smug and make fun of other countries, but neither Germany nor it`s people act like that.
Just commenting to show appreciation for writing something well thought out, even if it's on this sub. Also noticed you wrote longer comments quite a bit, which I can definitely identify with myself.
The Catholic Church was exploiting the ignorance of the lower classes and persecuting Protestants. And during the 30 years war it was Europe which destroyed the German states, not the other way around.
Kaiser Wilhelm II
Related to the British and Russian Nobility and the bitch of Queen Victoria. His stupidity was the British' fault.
We should have walled all the Germans into Brandenburg and given the rest of the country to israel. Then give the Israelis free trips to Palestine. It's a win win.
🤮 . All land East of the Oder River is rightfully Slavic land including Brandenburg. All land West of the Rhine is French. Southern Germany should go to Austria we can rebrand the Germans there as Austrians. The rest can be given to the Netherlands and Denmark. Hanover should be given to the British. Any land that’s left could MAYBE be given to Jews and/or Romani.
This is a common misconception. It actually comes from the Slavic word for “word”, or more specifically it means “literate”. It’s an unfortunate coincidence with the English word slave. Think about it - why would they call themselves slaves?
They actually called themselves literate because they had pre-Cyrillic writing. In contrast, they called Germans Nemci which means “mute” because they couldn’t understand what they said. So basically saying “you’re practically mute to me”.
After World War 2, America should have made every country in Europe a Freedom Zone and just milk all of them of their resources and then deport all the locals to Turkey.
Germany didn't even exist back then as a nation and Karl Marx had to go to France after his works got censored in Prussia and got sent to exile again after he returned to the "German" states.
invent national Socialism
It was invented by an Austrian. And many nazi ideas came from other Countries. Social darwinism came from England, Antisemitism was originally a Catholic Thing and National socialism bases itself of Fascism which comes from Italy. Furthmore for the Holocaust and Expansionaism the Germans took Insoiration from the U.S.A. (manifest destiny), Britain (Concentration camps were originally a British thing) and the Ottoman genocide of the Armenians.
The only truly German concept of the Nazis is their idea of the German ,,Volksstaat" (the German idea of an Ethnostate).
Export Communism to Eastern Europe
It's true that Germany sent Lenin to Russia 1917 to win the Eastern Fronty however Lenin was not the sole contributor to the creation of the Soviet Union, there were multiple Communist groups which would have likely overthrown the Tzar anyway if Lenin never returned.
And communism in other Eastern European Countries was done by the Soviet Union, not Germany.
Destroy the whole of Europe
WW1 was basically bound to happen due to the difficult geopolitical Relations between the European Countries. The Central Powers might have started WW1, however it's foolish to assume that if Germany remained passive Europe would have remained in peace.
France wanted revanche for their lost war against Prussia and the territories they lost.
Britain would still do everything in its power to weaken Germany because Germany challenged their hegemony.
And Russia contested the Balkans with the Ottoman Empire and Austria Hungary.
And at last, WW2 was caused by the consequences of WW1. Italy and Japan became fascist because they felt neglected and discriminated against (due to receiving less reperations and territory from the losers than France and Britain), the Nazis could only rise to power due to the political vacuum after the German Emperor was overthrown and the Weimar Republic couldn't form a stable goverment, alongisde multiple crisises inside Germany.
TBH I'm of the opinion that the Europeans deserved WW1 and WW2 which makes me think why the Naziseven used Jews and Communists as scapegoats when the French and British already existed, but that's another topic.
get billions of free money from the naive allies
Not free, not much compared to other countries. Another guy went into greater detail inside this comment threat explaining it much better.
Also the purpose behind it was to build up Germany as the wall against the Eastern Block. Before that they considered the Morgenthau Plan which sought to deindustrialise Germany and turn it into an agrarian shithole. And calculations of this very plan exspexted this reformation of Germany would have caused the death of 30 mio. Germans.
allies are kind enough to send tousands of their soldiers
The Allies literally turned Germany into their human shield against the Soviet Union. The doctrine of the German Army during the Cold war was being the cannon fodder long enough for the other Nato Countries to mobilise.
I also want to note a small fun fact: France's nuclear missiles back then had limited range and couldn't reach a Societ state. The purpose of those missiles was to wait until the Soviets took over Germany and then fire them.
communism completelly destroys Eastern Europe
I find it funny how Eastern Europe is always portrayed as this innocent victim. I'm not saying they deserved the occupstion, but many Eastern European countries collaborated with the Germans and even without them started wars, ethnic cleansings and whatever. Poland was an authoritarian Dictatorship before WW2, when Germany annexed czechoslovac Territories, Poland used the situation to also take a psrt of Czechoslovakia. Quite the karma. And the Soviet. The Soviets also granted Poland the industrialised territories of Eastern Prussia which I think boosts Poland's economy quite a bit up to this day.
Be super smut about everything
The only thing Germans are smug about is how self hating and submissive to the EU and US they are.
"granted Poland the industrialised territories of Eastern Prussia" ,you sound like a Tankie .
They pushed all frontiers further west, annexing polish Territory + weakening germany in one swoop.
Obviously they could not directly annex eastern prussia. They broke enough promises to the other Allies, for example free elections in postwar poland .
I would say anon doesn't know what happened to Germany between 1919 and 1989, but I'm also certain anon has made a SoundCloud remix of "Horst Wessel Lied."
Yeah...that's a response to another philosopher, and while not the most progressive on the issue, Marx was certainly not particularly bigoted for the time. Claiming Marx "hated" Jews is alot like saying most people in the 1870s in America hated black people. Yeah sure, that's true to an extent, but when you look at it in context it's really not quite an indictment.
Filibut@reddit
was expecting anon to blame this one the jews honestly
musterdcheif@reddit
He would be correct to do so
BrownieIsTrash2@reddit
The jews started WW2 and made hitler!! It was like part of the plan and shit!!
musterdcheif@reddit
Dude chill with the redpills
NicfiendMonster@reddit
It was them
Artharis@reddit
Apart from other stupidity. ( Like it didn`t invent Communism, just because a German did. Karl Marx used German social philosophy and english economics ( he spend a lot of years in London too ) to create his Communist ideology.
That`s so fucking wrong. Germany only got 1.3 billion, not "billions". It wasn`t free, Germany paid it back for the most part. Germany was one of the last recipients to get money because the Allies only later realized that keeping the Germany economy down, kept all of Europe down. Likewise the Marshall Plan wasnt the thing that saved Germany`s economy ( Germany barely used their funds before 1953 and Germany`s economy recovered in 1948 already ), it was no longer suppressing it and allowing Germany control over it`s own finances again, the recovery of Germany started before they got a single loan from the Marshal Plan.
The patents the USA stole from Germany were worth $120 billion dollars. Stealing the intellectual property of a country is so much more damaging than just destroying the industry or just stealing money, because intellectual property is where you make the real money. So this has been the worst trade deal of all time, JUST because of that. This is like "We lost all our Apple Trees which made an income of 50 billion every year, but hey we got 1 billion apples which we had to pay back, so we totally outplayed you lmao". No. Germany´s ENITRE heavy industry was dismantled. Germany lost millions of people. Germany lost tens of thousands of scientists not only because of their Nazi ideology, but also because the Allies stole even scientists and engineers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Report_on_Germany ( just for reference )
"Naive allies". They were helping themselves with great success. That Germany benefited somewhat from that aswell ( I am sure msot Germans would have prefered to keep their entire country, not to have their country split in half, kept their intellectual property which was the most advanced in the entire world in many fields of the natural sciences by the way ( not a hyperbole unlike that idiot ), to keep their industry, to keep their land rubble-free and so on. ).
Same reason why they kept soldiers in Germany. If war broke out, Germany would be the frontline for both sides of the Cold War. Again the Allies were helping themselves, not being kind.
Anon also forgot East Germany suffered under Communism.
"Communism completely destroys eastern Europe for centuries to come". It has not even been a single century, Anon is again using extremely stupid hyperboles. And looking at Poland, it has recovered and is one of the fastest growing economies for the past 30 years especially after they joined the EU. The USSR damage was harsh, but it didn`t completely destroy anything and it only resulted in a setback for a couple of decades at worst.
"be super smug & makes fun of..." ? Anon is projecting hard. This dipshit doesn`t know shit. Maybe it`s his basement dweller "friends" who are smug and make fun of other countries, but neither Germany nor it`s people act like that.
Aemilius_Paulus@reddit
Just commenting to show appreciation for writing something well thought out, even if it's on this sub. Also noticed you wrote longer comments quite a bit, which I can definitely identify with myself.
Traditional-Soup2980@reddit
Sounds like i was lied to ... the Morgenthau Plan was in fact implemented.
Traditional-Soup2980@reddit
Strong response to an idiotic post.
aaronrandango2@reddit
How dare the Allies steal and profit from German intellectual property. Money from Nazi inventions should go to Nazis!!
just in case, /s
thelostclone@reddit
I think you misunderstood. 4chan isn’t a site where you think about anything, you just post disinformation and hatred and put a Pepe frog image
DazedPhotographer@reddit
Mf really took a shitpost on 4chan seriously LMAO
WJMazepas@reddit
Germans really don't know how to take a joke
NotMithilius@reddit
Average German's capacity for humor on display.
donthenewbie@reddit
argue with 4chan post is so much a waste of time but I respect the info for further research
Admiral_Oelschwanz@reddit
Germanaboo@reddit
The Catholic Church was exploiting the ignorance of the lower classes and persecuting Protestants. And during the 30 years war it was Europe which destroyed the German states, not the other way around.
Related to the British and Russian Nobility and the bitch of Queen Victoria. His stupidity was the British' fault.
France and Britain at least deserved it.
AcePirosu@reddit
unfamiliar with this cope
Germanaboo@reddit
Didn't happen+Anglos deserved it.
clue002@reddit
Dam the FBI are shooting white people now?
Germanaboo@reddit
Thought mistake, had the Activist's name in my head while writing my previous comment
Stillback7@reddit
Lmao
Germanaboo@reddit
Small miatake on my part.
Cyan_Chill@reddit
We really should’ve sent all Germans to Central Asia 🙏
shittdigger@reddit
We should have walled all the Germans into Brandenburg and given the rest of the country to israel. Then give the Israelis free trips to Palestine. It's a win win.
Cyan_Chill@reddit
🤮 . All land East of the Oder River is rightfully Slavic land including Brandenburg. All land West of the Rhine is French. Southern Germany should go to Austria we can rebrand the Germans there as Austrians. The rest can be given to the Netherlands and Denmark. Hanover should be given to the British. Any land that’s left could MAYBE be given to Jews and/or Romani.
AcePirosu@reddit
Why would a race literally named after the word "slave" be recognised as landowners?
Middle-Fuel-6402@reddit
This is a common misconception. It actually comes from the Slavic word for “word”, or more specifically it means “literate”. It’s an unfortunate coincidence with the English word slave. Think about it - why would they call themselves slaves?
They actually called themselves literate because they had pre-Cyrillic writing. In contrast, they called Germans Nemci which means “mute” because they couldn’t understand what they said. So basically saying “you’re practically mute to me”.
shittdigger@reddit
Fair point
JorgeIronDefcient@reddit
After World War 2, America should have made every country in Europe a Freedom Zone and just milk all of them of their resources and then deport all the locals to Turkey.
Shakanan_99@reddit
Bro no I can't even stand the tourists
themightyscott@reddit
It would have increased the average looks of the nation at least. And brought down the hair per square inch of the people too.
Shakanan_99@reddit
Nah average French or German don't look better than average turk
clue002@reddit
Germanaboo@reddit
Least self hating German
Germany didn't even exist back then as a nation and Karl Marx had to go to France after his works got censored in Prussia and got sent to exile again after he returned to the "German" states.
It was invented by an Austrian. And many nazi ideas came from other Countries. Social darwinism came from England, Antisemitism was originally a Catholic Thing and National socialism bases itself of Fascism which comes from Italy. Furthmore for the Holocaust and Expansionaism the Germans took Insoiration from the U.S.A. (manifest destiny), Britain (Concentration camps were originally a British thing) and the Ottoman genocide of the Armenians. The only truly German concept of the Nazis is their idea of the German ,,Volksstaat" (the German idea of an Ethnostate).
It's true that Germany sent Lenin to Russia 1917 to win the Eastern Fronty however Lenin was not the sole contributor to the creation of the Soviet Union, there were multiple Communist groups which would have likely overthrown the Tzar anyway if Lenin never returned.
And communism in other Eastern European Countries was done by the Soviet Union, not Germany.
WW1 was basically bound to happen due to the difficult geopolitical Relations between the European Countries. The Central Powers might have started WW1, however it's foolish to assume that if Germany remained passive Europe would have remained in peace. France wanted revanche for their lost war against Prussia and the territories they lost. Britain would still do everything in its power to weaken Germany because Germany challenged their hegemony. And Russia contested the Balkans with the Ottoman Empire and Austria Hungary.
And at last, WW2 was caused by the consequences of WW1. Italy and Japan became fascist because they felt neglected and discriminated against (due to receiving less reperations and territory from the losers than France and Britain), the Nazis could only rise to power due to the political vacuum after the German Emperor was overthrown and the Weimar Republic couldn't form a stable goverment, alongisde multiple crisises inside Germany.
TBH I'm of the opinion that the Europeans deserved WW1 and WW2 which makes me think why the Naziseven used Jews and Communists as scapegoats when the French and British already existed, but that's another topic.
Not free, not much compared to other countries. Another guy went into greater detail inside this comment threat explaining it much better.
Also the purpose behind it was to build up Germany as the wall against the Eastern Block. Before that they considered the Morgenthau Plan which sought to deindustrialise Germany and turn it into an agrarian shithole. And calculations of this very plan exspexted this reformation of Germany would have caused the death of 30 mio. Germans.
The Allies literally turned Germany into their human shield against the Soviet Union. The doctrine of the German Army during the Cold war was being the cannon fodder long enough for the other Nato Countries to mobilise.
I also want to note a small fun fact: France's nuclear missiles back then had limited range and couldn't reach a Societ state. The purpose of those missiles was to wait until the Soviets took over Germany and then fire them.
I find it funny how Eastern Europe is always portrayed as this innocent victim. I'm not saying they deserved the occupstion, but many Eastern European countries collaborated with the Germans and even without them started wars, ethnic cleansings and whatever. Poland was an authoritarian Dictatorship before WW2, when Germany annexed czechoslovac Territories, Poland used the situation to also take a psrt of Czechoslovakia. Quite the karma. And the Soviet. The Soviets also granted Poland the industrialised territories of Eastern Prussia which I think boosts Poland's economy quite a bit up to this day.
The only thing Germans are smug about is how self hating and submissive to the EU and US they are.
MaxdH_@reddit
"granted Poland the industrialised territories of Eastern Prussia" ,you sound like a Tankie .
They pushed all frontiers further west, annexing polish Territory + weakening germany in one swoop.
Obviously they could not directly annex eastern prussia. They broke enough promises to the other Allies, for example free elections in postwar poland .
Maybe you should ask the polish how generous the Soviets were.
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
A lot less funny if you remember Germany was already leading Europe (England excluded) before all that tomfoolery
Sushi-DM@reddit
It would be a real shame if it all came to a crashing Allahu Akbar, wouldn't it, Hans?
Referat-@reddit
JuanchiB@reddit
https://i.redd.it/099jc0h17fnd1.gif
Splashy_PoE_Twitch@reddit
Stopped reading
Sporch_Unsaze@reddit
I would say anon doesn't know what happened to Germany between 1919 and 1989, but I'm also certain anon has made a SoundCloud remix of "Horst Wessel Lied."
Malgioglio@reddit
Imagine us doing all this without even almost fighting and apply for loans by placing you as trustees. Who are we?
retroUkrSoldier@reddit
Good, now name ""them""
_TLDR_Swinton@reddit
J
retroUkrSoldier@reddit
Ooz
Scorp_DS@reddit
Communism was not invented by a "german"
ButtersAndRowlet@reddit
marx hated jews
1v1mecaestusm8@reddit
That's...just not true lmao
ButtersAndRowlet@reddit
okay
1v1mecaestusm8@reddit
Yeah...that's a response to another philosopher, and while not the most progressive on the issue, Marx was certainly not particularly bigoted for the time. Claiming Marx "hated" Jews is alot like saying most people in the 1870s in America hated black people. Yeah sure, that's true to an extent, but when you look at it in context it's really not quite an indictment.
ButtersAndRowlet@reddit
Marx also has the quote "I hate money and Jews."
GargamelLeNoir@reddit
It reads like an attack on the religion, not the people.
ButtersAndRowlet@reddit
Marx also had a heated gamer moment in a letter to his sugar daddy Engels, calling Ferdinand Lassalle the gamer word
Cat_Of_Culture@reddit
East Germany is apparently not Germany.
gooberphta@reddit
If the mfs keep their recent shit up, they wont
blueguy211@reddit
germany : sends their own men to freeze their assess off fighting the russians
also germany : introduces communism to russians
SaltatioMortis@reddit
CitrusLemone@reddit
Okay Yasim, enough trolling on the phone. The kebabs are burning.
Papageier@reddit
If only. 😫
vischy_bot@reddit
What an idiot lmao
pussyslayersixtynine@reddit
What no theory does to a mf
I_am_Reptoid_King@reddit
Is Germany based?
Apocalypseistheansw@reddit
It was, until 1945😔😔