What do you do when you aren’t challenged anymore?
Posted by TerrificGeek90@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 137 comments
Been doing this for 12 years now, and even learning new things just feels like old things with a new coat of paint. At this point I don't feel challenged very often, and have applied for other systems engineer jobs which ended up being essentially the same thing.
Has anyone else ran into this? Just curious how others have moved past this issue.
BrilliantEffective21@reddit
hmm.. start a new career in shorting companies like CrowdStrike when you see bad news and systems hit the industry
M0D0M0D0@reddit
No stocks were available to short when the markets opened up on 19 the morning 😂
BrilliantEffective21@reddit
$980M .. on CS, legendary unrealized gains. Cant imagine all the tech people that quit their job the following Monday when they hit the shorting jackpot.
gryghin@reddit
Your goal should be increasing your annual savings rate. I was a senior SysAdmin for the last 15 years of a 27 year career.
After 27 years working for Fortune 50 Semiconductor company, I was putting away 27.5% annually.
It was fun outperforming the finance and marketing types in the company Money Management club. My 401k outperformed them for 60% of the time for over 10 years.
After awhile, everything seems the same, as it's all built on the previous technology.
Eventually, you'll be fed up with all the buzzword implementations. Jira? Agile? SN? TQM?
horkusengineer@reddit
Pick up a new skill outside your normal wheel house.
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Like what? I’m not sure what else there is that’s worthwhile.
horkusengineer@reddit
Well if you don’t know how to code I would start there.
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Yep, already know how to code.
horkusengineer@reddit
Well I guess it’s time to start being the gray beard and teaching others. Find some promising talent and teach them some stuff.
Xander372@reddit
Unfortunately, there are only a couple people on our team who have a desire to learn anything new. They seem content to continue with troubleshooting the same things, using the same methods.
tacotacotacorock@reddit
Something along the lines of those who won't do or can't do will teach.
ihaxr@reddit
The original quote is:
Quite a big difference, eh? People who truly understand a topic should have absolutely no problem explaining something.
zqpmx@reddit
Explaining something well is its own skill. You have to really understand what you’re talking about, see it from the other person’s point of view, and then be able to break it down in a way that makes sense
UptimeNull@reddit
In heard this differently: Those that can do….do. Those who cannot do .. teach. Its a slam on teachers as they are not in the field and only know theory.
Some teachers are rad and its super important role that gets paid way to little.
BadSausageFactory@reddit
Depends on whether you find Aristotle or George Bernard Shaw to be more relevant.
goodolbeej@reddit
For real man. Teaching, and understanding how a person best learns, is a very rewarding skill.
Gotta know content. But that’s not nearly enough.
LuffyReborn@reddit
Already good at containers and kubernetes? Those guys are raking it in. I feel same way as you and starting to try switch, cloud/devopsy stuff. Each day I have to expand a volume I die a little on the inside, but a man has to bring food to the table.
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Idk if id say “good”, im like intermediate with K8s. The only people being hired for those positions are software engineers or operations engineers that are experts.
wkreply@reddit
r/unclebens
LeiterHaus@reddit
Would you have any interest in learning penetration testing on the red team side of things? Maybe CTF - capture the flag - putting some of your skills to work in new ways.
Finding or starting a local meetup group. (This is more because somebody else mentioned teaching.)
nj12nets@reddit
Network engineering, scripting/automation, remote helpdesk and support separate from network architecture. Theresa lot of fields that get dumbed down to k-5 intelligence that really require specialists. Lika being level 1-3 heldeak, onsite visits and deployments ans responsible for scripting via posh and arMM xommands. I personally recommend rhe rmm tool as has far reaching capabilities and allow even .more remote access.
Add some voip, data/database management, and networking and make your own productive softwar3 on your time that can help the company they may value you more or make you.chall3ng4d/intrigued wnd makes it fun and as long as non exclusive contract build off hours so it's your proj3cy and not.comoany bws3d equipment
tacotacotacorock@reddit
You really want us to have all the answers? Come on man.
wine_and_dying@reddit
Any IT job is doing the same thing ten thousand times.
I work in security engineering now, but came up as a sysadmin. I developed an automation model during my sysadmin years. BIRD.
Boring, Important, Repeated, Data-driven. If something meets 3/4 criteria… it is a perfect cami for automation. By developing this and the resulting new challenges that come from automating everything, I haven’t been “bored” at work for a while now.
evil-vp-of-it@reddit
Collect your paycheck and live a relatively low stress life?
Special_Luck7537@reddit
Go into MGMT, you want a challenge. See how fast you can develop esp for your bosses thoughts
MrCertainly@reddit
What do you do when you aren't challenged anymore?
"Collect a paycheck."
I don't need to be "challenged" during the process of trading my labor for fiat currency -- all that is required is timely payments into my bank account.
BoltActionRifleman@reddit
Yeah this post is strange, I’ve had slow days at work before and all I can think to do is enjoy it, because I know there will come another hell-day, week or month. I was thinking OP should take up knitting or something to pass the time.
MrCertainly@reddit
Exactly.
As I've gotten older, I don't really understand what being bored is. I usually have so many side projects, interests, curiosities, etc....that I have to exercise CEO-level judgement as to what gets priority and what gets culled.
I'm usually so busy to such a high degree....when I get a break where I can't be productive, it feel glorious.
"Oh, I'm sitting in a waiting room for a family member to get out of a routine procedure...no one else there, no tv, just a window overlooking a parking lot"?
I'll sit there in blissful relaxation. Sit there, collect my thoughts, etc. Maybe not as nice as being along a mountain stream, but you take what you can get. Never let "the unobtainable perfect" get in the way of "the good enough you already have in your hands."
"Oh you must be so bored sitting there." Nope. Not even in the slightest, and I'm being entirely genuine. Some of us who can expertly balance and manage the ratrace.....are just so fucking done with the ratrace.
BoltActionRifleman@reddit
Yeah it’s like that meme that has a picture of a plastic chair sitting in the woods and says something to the tune of “guys are totally okay sitting here all day doing nothing”. Damn straight!
MrCertainly@reddit
Exactly.
"You mean you're getting fairly compensated for a non-abusive amount of labor? And it's so light/easy/infrequent that you're actually bored? ...so what's the problem again?"
dracrecipelanaaaaaaa@reddit
This only works so far.... this is me though right now and I loathe myself more every day for it.
I'm a "very senior" joat/generalist with AuDHD and a bad case of barely managed depression from 20 years of the succubus that is my ex-wife and mother of my two kids.
As a 'gifted' xennial, I'm from the last batch of nerds that grew up when nothing worked automagically and was forced from a very young age to learn "why things work" if you wanted anything at all to work at all... in the days where a 10yo was a feared technological wizard for simply being able to program the VCR lol, then spent my early career years in very small shops where 2-3 people were solely responsible for all aspects of "sensitive" global WANs for "sensitive" organizations where vendor support for any issue simply wasn't an option "for reasons".
I know on-premesis Microsoft * to a level that's simply not generally appreciated today; have designed, written, integrated, deployed, and maintained SQL database activity tracking and analysis systems single handedly; am the non-specialized "the network guy" for several teams/systems that need anyone that's not a one-trick/one-vendor specialist; and have led small teams that have done entire enterprise enclaves using Microsoft cloud services. Also, VMware, some 'nix, SAN tech, crypto, PKI, etc... True "SME" level in a few things and "very dangerous" in others.
I do very well financially, but with even a mote of passion for anything anymore would be doing far better.
There is nothing for me to move to that isn't generally a solved thing already, and I'm so exhausted/defeated with the people-side of getting anything done business/enterprise-wise that I quickly lose any steam that I am able to build up due to the sheer inertia and chicanery added to every project by the layers of organizational stakeholders who are simply unqualified for their roles.
I cannot afford to "change careers" due to financial dependencies/obligations... so... I'm "here."
I'm just so done. :-(
MrCertainly@reddit
Here's something I've said elsewhere, but it applies here as well, since it focuses on the attitude one must have when laboring in a late-stage American Capitalist hellscape.
The owners and their ~~bootlicking sycophants~~ corporate turdwookies do not care about you. At all.
Neither does your government or courts, as they've been bought & paid for by said owners.
They also own social networks & (m)ass media, using them as their personal propaganda mouthpiece.
Your job search is never over. In AWA: At-Will America (99.7% of the population), you can be terminated at any time, for almost any (or no) reason, without notice, without compensation, and full loss of healthcare.
Your goal is to be the CEO of your life.
Your only obligation is to yourself and your loved ones, like a CEO.
Your mission is to extract as much value from these soulless megacorps as you can, like a CEO.
Milk the fuckers until sand squirts out of their chafed nips.....like a CEO.
Do not worry about results -- "good enough" is truly good enough. There will always be work left undone.
Treat your jobs as cattle, not as pets.
Work your wage. Going above and beyond is only rewarded with more work. Your name isn't above the door. You don't own the company. So stop caring as if you did own the place.
Don't work for free or do additional tasks outside of your role, as that devalues the concept of labor.
Sleep well, never skip lunch, get enough physical activity.
Avoid drinking coffee at work for your employer's benefit, as they don't deserve your caffeinated, productivity-drugged self.
Avoid alcohol and other vices, as they steal all the happiness from tomorrow for a brief amount today. Especially when used as coping mechanisms for work-related stress.
Knowledge is power. Discussing your compensation with your fellow worker is a federally protected right. Employers hate transparency, as it means they can't pull their bullshit on others without consequence.
Your first job is being an actor. Endeavor to be pleasant & kind....yet unremarkable, bland, forgettable, and mediocre. Though it may feed one's ego, being a superhero or rockstar isn't suited for this hellscape. Projecting strength invites challenge. Instead, cultivate a personality that flies under the radar.
Be a Chaos Vulture. Embrace the confusion. Does the company have non-existent onboarding? Poor management? Little direction, followup, or reviews? Constantly changing & capricious goals? These are the hallmarks of a bad company…so revel in their misery. Actively seek these places out. This gives you room to coast, to avoid being on anyone's radar, etc. Restrained mediocre effort will be considered "going above and beyond." Even if you slip, you can easily blame "the system", like everyone else at the place. Every single day, week, month of this is more money in your pocket. Stretch it out as long as possible.
Tell no one (friends, coworkers, extended family, etc) about your employment mindset. So many people tie their identity to their employment. And jealously makes people do petty things.
Recognize that lifestyle is ephemeral. Live below your means. Financial security is comfort, and not being dependent on selling your labor is true power in Capitalism.
Do not worry about "the environment you leave behind" when you depart a company. This includes how much notice you provide before leaving. Notice is a courtesy, not a requirement. Continuity of THEIR business operations is THEIR problem, not yours. They should have a plan if you accidentally got hit by a bus full of winning lottery tickets. Always be kind to your peers, but don't worry about them when you leave. If your leaving hurts their effectiveness -- that's a conversation THEY need with their manglement. The company left them hanging, not you.
You owe the company nothing -- if anything, they actually owe you, given how much they profited from your labor.
Play their own game against them.
They exist to service us.
If you feel it's some type of moral failing on your part, then you are falling for their propaganda. Because don't think for one fucking second that millionaires and billionaires aren't doing the SAME EXACT THING...or worse...to you and everyone else.
They sleep perfectly fine at night. You should too. Like a CEO.
MrCertainly@reddit
Ok, so that was a wall-o-text....here's a couple of blunt yet kind observations.
First, you absolutely need therapy + possibly additional psychological help. There's nothing wrong with that, but if your emotional foundation is cracked, everything else is a house of cards ready to fall.
Second, disassociate your self-worth from your employment. Capitalism is a fucking shitshow, and failing it in ANY way isn't a measure of your character or self-worth. You're trading labor for fiat currency. Anything else they try to make you "feel", they can shove a pineapple up their arse. Sideways. "The subtle art of not giving a fuck."
Third, get a hobby that captures your interest. Or volunteer for a group that does matter. Anything to capture that energy that you give off....it's obvious you care, that you're a good person, that you want to do kind things with a level of craftsmanship. Don't do it for those who would pay you so little, treat you so poorly, as they buy another yacht from your efforts. You're a "thing" to them, so don't value them. Value those who don't treat you as a thing.
michaelpaoli@reddit
There's always more challenging to do. If you're not finding that you haven't looked hard enough.
illicITparameters@reddit
I moved into management. Now I have new “muscles” to exercise and new things to learn.
OkBaconBurger@reddit
Was it a good move? I keep getting nudged about it.
fizzlefist@reddit
I keep getting pressed for it, but Jesus if I don’t want to deal with those skill sets. The sad thing is I’d probably be very good at it, but I’d hate every moment.
Sad_Recommendation92@reddit
You can try to go the opposite route after doing two manager positions and just bouncing off of it. I just didn't have the patience to corral a team of 6 people. I found myself into architecture roles which is still technically a leadership position. It's just technical leadership.
I read a book called staff engineer that really gave me a lot of good ideas, but one of the key tenants was something called
Influence without authority
It's not the easiest position to get, but if you can find yourself into a technical leadership role, you still have the ability to influence the direction of things, but you are doing so by selling people with your technical ideas and experience vs having the authority to just tell them the plan.
Though one of the problems of the IT industry is that there's a limit on how high you can climb in terms of technical IC (individual contributor) I'm technically peer to directors on the org chart And I report to our EVP
But if I wanted to climb any higher I'd have to go find a more Tech oriented company and apply for principal and distinguished engineer roles
illicITparameters@reddit
It’s 100% not for everyone.
OkBaconBurger@reddit
Yep. That’s my fear.
WhatVengeanceMeans@reddit
Very much depends on who you are. I've tried it and I'm bad at it. I think the issues are constitutional rather than trainable and I don't particularly want to try again.
Maybe ask the people nudging you if there's a limited term project you can head up, with a return to your previous role as the expected result? Use that as a trial run and let everyone re-evaluate whether you're management material after the project concludes?
illicITparameters@reddit
For me it was because I didn’t go into it wanting to be someone’s boss. I went into it to drive change and make a culture that I would have loved to work in.
It’s worked out well for me. The worst part is dealing with client bullshit that negatively impacts my team.
PussyTermin4tor1337@reddit
Learn nixos.
Not much of an advice if you’re on windows, but for Linux it’s good
BananaSacks@reddit
Disclaimer: I did not read past the first few comments. However, if you have a secure job, the easy answer is just to start shopping and don't stop. Keep doing you and keep searching for the future you. Adjust your CV/Resume, tailor it for each specialty application, etc --- ((It will never be so easy to find a job while having a job vs. otherwise))
Another piece of advice is to find local recruiting firms and introduce yourself directly. Once you're known, they'll be much more easily able to help you find a tailored fit.
Back to my first comments - If you've got a solid gig and you're looking, you hold all the power. You can dictate and direct; you honestly cannot go wrong.
--Aside from this - what are your thoughts on going contractor & willingness to work remotely (from afar?) -- it takes a lot more to go contractor, and it highly depends (the risk) on where you live, but it might be something worth considering.
Longjumping_Ear6405@reddit
Who says you have to do/learn something else? Looks like you got promoted to your point of incompetence(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle). Automate the crap out of your current role and collect a paycheck. Use your free time to learn enterprise architecture and how business works. As long as the paychecks clear, I don't care about anything else about work. Being a sysadmin in a small firm is miles away from being an engineer at a large, globally distributed one where (hopefully) you have peers a few steps further than one is; maybe try that. Stop making excuses about saturated fields; you only need one job.
Jayhawker_Pilot@reddit
If you are in a small company, move to a much larger company. If you are in a large one, go the other direction.
If your an on-prem ESX/storage person, go do cloud engineering.
Go do what you are not doing.
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Kind of hard to get hired as a cloud engineer right now. It’s very saturated.
fadingcross@reddit
Dumbest thing I've heard. The market is screaming for k8s and sre talent.
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Yes, but they hire software engineering backgrounds for those positions typically. I’ve seen some ops guys get hired for SRE jobs but they were able to learn K8s at a previous job and became and expert. Not easy to become an expert without working in an environment with K8s.
Sad_Recommendation92@reddit
I made that transition I went from being a traditional sysadmin, got a job as a sysadmin at a software startup about 10 years ago. I was still doing SysAdmin work, mostly because the developers didn't know how to actually implement our software on the customer systems, so that usually fell to me. I was one of the sole admins working with about 25 developers. So I ended up learning a lot of really useful development practice that I actually can be applied to systems engineering very effectively. I learned how to use git and source control and I'm frankly surprised how Systems and network people actually source control any of their work. I also got to dabble with a bit of development. I did some node.js, dabbled with python. One of the original reasons I got hired was because I was good at Powershell and most of their customers were running Windows systems.
With it being a tech startup, eventually The kind of things that happen at Tech startup started to happen and after 4 years I got laid off. That was when I decided I was ready for a change and I started applying for devops engineer roles. I wasn't ready to go into full-time development and I'm not sure I even wanted to, but I did like the idea of working with developers and supporting their workflow. The reality is the majority of software developers are not what you would call full stack engineers. A lot of them don't have a clue about infrastructure. So you can actually be very valuable to them in helping them shape their practices and make better decisions. I always referred to it as the server guy in the room.
Anyways at no point did I feel qualified, especially when so much of the literature out there basically describes sres and devops engineers as being ex-software developers made to do systems work.
But this absolutely can be the other way around. Think of SRE and devops as the middle ground. Sure it normally recruits from software, but you can also recruit from the other side of the line and pull towards the middle. And you absolutely bring value to a position like that. Frankly, I would actually be skeptical to trust an SRE that never actually had a full-time, dedicated sysadmin role.
fadingcross@reddit
So start migrating stuff at your job to k8s? I'm sure you've got plenty of workloads you can containerize and deploy
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Nope, not really. Most of our stuff is slowly being migrated to SaaS products. The rest if file servers, license servers, etc.
Time_Turner@reddit
Is it? I guess it was the new gold rush career? I thought that was security though ...
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
I think it’s just that there’s less cloud jobs in general and it just saturated over the last 10 years.
Sollus@reddit
I'm still seeing quite a lot of cloud roles. It's the traditional systems admin/engineer roles that don't really seem to exist. If they do, they also demand cloud skills.
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
I don’t know any company that doesn’t have at least some cloud products they use, that’s pretty much the baseline. Big difference between IaaS engineer and someone who just drives Microsoft 365 portals.
JaspahX@reddit
It's saturated with idiots that pass4sure certifications and literally have no fundamental grasp of networking concepts and how stuff actually works.
At least that has been my experience with our applicant pools.
Sigseg-v@reddit
This. I‘m a team lead, I have an armada of system engineers that really know how to manage the clients with InTune, fire up servers in Azure, scripting in PowerShell … but if we have a problem with VLANs or DNS - and it‘s always DNS - I have that one 62 year old System Engineer which I really hope will not decide to retire early.
The depressing part: the young sysadmins show no interest in learning the basic stuff from „our grandpa“ even if he tries to teach them. God… I sound like a living Pepperidge Farm meme…
Twinewhale@reddit
Do you actually want to be a “cloud engineer?” It sounds like you’re looking for variation in your work and a specialized role doesn’t sound like a good fit
hippychemist@reddit
This might just be the cause of your complaint. "I'm bored" and "no point in trying new things" go very much hand in hand.
Tighten up your resume and throw it out there. Might just land something out of your comfort zone, if you actually want to.
tacotacotacorock@reddit
With that attitude it certainly will be.
When you have a good job you look for an even better job and that can take time. Much easier to find a job when you have a job already.
Kind of feels like you're just looking for the magic answer that no one's going to have.
sham_hatwitch@reddit
If your company's infrastructure died tomorrow, how long would it take to rebuild? Are you going to restore VM backups to new hypervisor one at a time or is everything built out in infrasture as code and desired state configs?
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Uhhh that’s not how it works. You still have data in databases and files to restore, which is in the 10s of terabytes.
sham_hatwitch@reddit
Im not sure what you're getting at, backups can be codified, even Veeam can work with Terraform or Azure ARC on hybrid servers.
fadingcross@reddit
Learn kubernetes. I bet you'll be out of your depth.
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Been tinkering with it for a few years now, running it on my own hardware. It’s a lot easier now with the amount of documentation and training online.
fadingcross@reddit
Yup, and AI is a godsend for writing helm charts when you fuck up syntax
shawn22252@reddit
I loved into management
Delta31_Heavy@reddit
I’m in this 27 years. I’ve moved around a lot but have stayed in jobs a multitude of years before moving on. The trick is to throw yourself out of a comfort zone and do something you would t normally. I’ve asked other teams to bring me in on projects to observe and help in anyway just to learn more. Sometimes doing something the same way 1000 times can be a form of de stressing too. Also during your downtimes find something to study. Maybe a cert you can use for your job?
kennyj2011@reddit
Get a NetApp and try doing simple things that aren’t so simple with horrendous documentation.
Sufficient_Pepper279@reddit
Any details to share? currently comparing quotes for a NetApp c250 and an IBM 5300 and looking for life expectancies with either
kennyj2011@reddit
We just bought two a250s… NetApp has a decent product, but their documentation to me is incomplete and hard to find what you are looking for. Their customer advisors or whatever you want to call them are great though… we have regular meetings with them and they suggest what you could do better, or updates, etc. almost got canned because I said the AFF A250s with NVME drives were way overpowered for what we need… we are not pushing tons of oops, and our old SSD model was sitting idle most of the time. Management is silly.
BoltActionRifleman@reddit
I once had a meeting with our customer advisors from NetApp and when they looked at what we had compared to what our actual needs were they were like “holy moly, you guys don’t have much to worry about here”. They were newly assigned to us.
Mister_Brevity@reddit
I pretend I’m left handed so in that one moment when I’ve finally met my match I can say “I know something you don’t know…. I’m not left handed”
Bright_Arm8782@reddit
I started doing this when I had carpal tunnel on my right, it never occurred to me to use this line.
Illustrious-Count481@reddit
I'm only left handed when I want strange.
havocspartan@reddit
Inconceivable!
thisisfutile1@reddit
You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
paid-4-0-daze@reddit
There's something I ought to tell you. I'm not left handed either.
Mayki8513@reddit
Do you know how to make your own drivers? Have you written your own software to replace your 3rd party vendors? How's your mechanical engineering? your math? Can you add your own custom feature into Windows? Can you make your own OS? There's so much out there to learn, don't wait for others to challenge you, challenge yourself.
Destructive-Angel@reddit
When I start feeling like things are stagnant and pose little or no challenge, that is when I shift to personal development. I challenge myself. Learn a new language. Deep dive into learning an unfamiliar part of operations. Revisit something I haven’t touched in years. Recently, I have found myself rewriting technical documentation of the company’s systems that haven’t been updated in half a decade or more, but the systems have been updated and have functions implemented that have never been documented. This has led me to getting training and continuing to grow my personal knowledge about systems that have lost their SMEs and architects.
stompy1@reddit
I'm 18 years into IT and I've shifted my focus out of work as it's just second nature now. I now worry about parenting, gardening and participating in my community. There is much more to life then work.
apathyzeal@reddit
I lash out in subtle yet bizarre ways, personally.
neobushidaro@reddit
I switched industries. Still IT wildly different industries. The "acceptable solutions" change wildly when you change who you're supporting.
Solve the problem when the user is out in extreme temps. Or if the solution needs to interface with an 80 piece of industrial equipment that has 25 more years before they replace it. provide a secure solution when your users are developers at least as skilled as you and are hostile to security and change management.
AMDIntel@reddit
Be happy I'm not overworked and have time for other things?
CptBronzeBalls@reddit
Most of the job involves a relatively small number of tasks. It’s just the details that differ. Patch, upgrade, migrate, etc. it can get pretty dull.
BespokeChaos@reddit
Learn something on my own to build skill
abyssea@reddit
Look for some project. Usually means I’m cleaning up some environment. Rarely happens these days, the amount of people we support skyrocketed and I’m understaffed.
zqpmx@reddit
I make my own challenges. I use that free time to develop new abilities.
akrobert@reddit
pick something different like networking that is adjacent and challenging
x-Mowens-x@reddit
Leave to somewhere that is on fire for more money.
pipboy3000_mk2@reddit
I pivoted to SEO and Web design....best decision ever. Not bored and I'm appreciated now instead of getting abused by ungrateful tech illiterate ding dongs
cantanko@reddit
As others have said, Big -> small company (or vice versa) can do wonders. I’d personally recommend moving sector. Whilst it’s the same game, it can be a very different toybox. Ultimately you could change career path altogether, but I wouldn’t necessarily recommend that unless you’re totally burnt out.
DudeThatAbides@reddit
Put one foot up on the desk, fists on hips, and look awesome for a little while. Until the next challenge arrives.
brainthrash@reddit
After 27 years in IT, I kind of feel the same. I still like learning new things at work, but don’t look for work to really challenge me. I’ve taken up hobbies that challenge me in different ways. Currently I’ve got 2 projects: First I’m custom designing permanent Christmas lights for my house using ESP32 controllers and WLED. Secondly, I just started building a N-Scale model railroad layout, utilizing my ESP32 experience to control track switching, train locations and lighting.
stinky_wizzleteet@reddit
IT becomes pretty mundane after 20+ years. I agree find something else to occupy your time. A plumber once told me it took me 20 years to learn how to do it in 20 minutes but you still pay me for the hour.
YouWontWinWithMe@reddit
I coast. Our job is to solve problems and make the business run smoothly. You don't need to be a DevOps expert if you're running a 100 person office setting.
If things are running smoothly, you're doing your job. Make sure they know it in the annual review, and you're paid accordingly.
stinky_wizzleteet@reddit
100% If there's no problems then you are doing your job correctly. Its the old IT curse, "Theres never any problems, what are we paying you for?". Document, document, and then document some more.
_BoNgRiPPeR_420@reddit
IaC is a bit different than plain old coding, fully automating the setup process of new servers through Terraform and Ansible is a great challenge if you don't use it already.
Maybe try a larger company? I find I learn everything about small companies quick and get bored in 2-3 years or less. Larger companies use more of the "lesser known" features of products and open you up to a world of challenges like scaling, multi-site networks, automation and more.
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Yeah, tinkering with the Terraform VMware provider is what got me into IaC and CaC instead of just writing powershell scripts.
And yeah, nothing in life feels very exciting but hoping something in my career could fix that.
_nachtkalmar_@reddit
To me personally, your responses sound depressed. Maybe a low grade long-term depression, maybe it is newer. If everything seems empty, nothing sparks joy it's all a drag, and especially if it is in all areas of your life, it really could be depression. I would suggest talking to your doctor about it. Some small dose of antidepressants could kick you out of the funk and when you are able to feel happy again, you can also start small steps to maybe change your life. How are you supposed to change anything with zero motivation and everything seems bleak or uninspiring? How to choose a path if all of them seem like shit? Yeah. Meds can turn on the lights a bit, make yourself more like yourself again, maybe like in a better phase of your life. Therapy is absolutely awesome for figuring out what you actually do want from your life, what would make you happy, or content, and how to get there. I'm not sure you really need sysadmin advice, I think you need how to make my life joyful advice, you know. You seem to have it down, calm competence instead of overwhelmed, underfunded, trying to hold it together stress level here and it seems so enviable sure, but boreout is serious. You shouldn't just go on. Call your doctor. Maybe set up a meeting for a therapy session. If you had eliminated all other variables, your life is great, but this specific job sucks, than sure, it is time to find something new. But you seem to already changed jobs in the past, and it's the same problem. So I don't think that will fix anything. Could you maybe reduce your hours and do other things in the free time? Volunteer? College course in archaeology? Building stuff? Teaching kids? Random suggestions. Write your own list. What would you do if you were retired tomorrow? Golf? 😄 Travel? Like, I have a vision, I know what I would want. What does the good life look for you? Are you single and unhappy about that? You didn't mention a partnership here, would you like one? All just questions to get the ball rolling. I don't prescribe to the "a job is just a job to get the bills payed" since it is so much lifetime spent, BUT it absolutely shouldn't be the only thing in your life. I wouldn't expect everything from it, like maybe excitement could come from the paragliding on the weekend and the travels and to balance that the job is just nice and calm, very well paid, meeting friendly coworkers, good coffee in a nice office and some productivity to feel good about yourself. Like yeah, everything is sailing smoothly, we have it under control. No? Not enough? And no new projects to be found? You could probably teach, like courses at college. Volunteer to set up infrastructure for NGOs. Yeah, dealing with printers. None of this will make you money. I mean you never mentioned it, I assumed you have enough. It is all up for debate. The thing is, you could lead a very different life next month. You can have wild adventure, backpacking through Asia or whatever, move into an RV. or join a startup, get crazy overworked and stressed out to the max. You absolutely can have a totally different life. Just not necessarily at the lifestyle and disposable income you have grown accustomed to. You are free to chose. House? Or apartment somewhere near work so you can bike there. Who needs a car anyway. I'm serious, what do you need, what did you choose, in what traps did you just fall because society or capitalism or expectations. I don't think you should sell it all and live in a tent. But you should start asking a lot more questions, go on long walks with them - the process will probably take some months. As I said, a therapist would be my top recommendation - and also a visit to the doctor. Depression or not, could also be thyroid, low hormones, shitty blood work results. Get a general inspection and take it from there.
stinky_wizzleteet@reddit
OOF wall of text . break those paragraphs out.
PrincipleExciting457@reddit
I don’t like you, but I will say something is up. Your career isn’t where you should look for excitement. It’s a means to excitement.
If you’re bored in life you need something more mentally stimulating on the side. I’m about your age, and the moment I stopped caring about work and found things outside of it is when I liked going to work again.
Now the paycheck is something I exciting because I can explore other hobbies. I’d also recommend something physically or mentally stimulating. I went physical and got super into body building and rock climbing. The knowledge you need to flourish in the hobbies gave me the research itch and the physical act/progress felt really good.
Once I have more saved up, I might go to school for engineering. Not to be an engineer, but to understand more about making crap. Then hopefully machining, wood working, or something.
Push outside your work chains and find something enjoyable.
BadSausageFactory@reddit
work is what you do to pay the bills. find something you love or have interest in to be challenged. don't look to work to satisfy that itch.
stinky_wizzleteet@reddit
28r veteran, I feel like the Maytag Repairman (yah that old). Most of the time I'm sitting around and just making sure everything is working. It does because my staff and I do the maintenance. I feel a little impostor syndrome, but as my wife puts it they pay me for when sh*t hits the fan and that projects move forward not for my ass in a seat 40hrs a week.
OkBaconBurger@reddit
This needs to be said more. I’d add to that you should draw hard lines for work/life boundaries too.
ElevenNotes@reddit
I started my own business when I got bored.
mooboyj@reddit
If you are a Windows admin, setup a Linux environment and try and replicate everything you currently do. I did that years ago as a learning exercise. A couple of Micro servers stacked with RAM, a heap of cheap 3.5" disks and I had a decent lab :)
dns_hurts_my_pns@reddit
When your environment uptime reaches 5 nines, you're legally entitled to a mildly painful pat on the back, and one of the firmest handshakes this side of the Mississippi.
Jokes aside, people problems are harder to solve than computer issues. Go get 'em.
bindermichi@reddit
I look for a job that is more challenging.
The worst thing that can happen to me is getting bored. This is what usually stresses me out the most, so I would start my own projects which doesn‘t always gel with management.
Better to find a more engaging job instead.
IbEBaNgInG@reddit
dude, there are a million things to learn, and it's not like it was 20 years ago. You can literally learn anything online now,, even MIT has stuff public online. Invent new shit or make shit more efficient at your current job, that's a good start.
thisisfutile1@reddit
Practice making Group Policy work on the first try, every, single, time.
Rio__Grande@reddit
Have you tried golf?
raffi30@reddit
I keep seeing x thousand laid off by y tech company. It doesn't seem like that's going to turn around any time soon.
Normally the answer is find another job. Given the current tech market, sit tight and be thankful for what you have. It could be worse. Being without a job your challenge level is 0%
Temetka@reddit
Encrypted domain controllers with randomly generated keys seem to get juices flowing. You can try that.
etzel1200@reddit
Code more. Move up.
Go to a company that’s a dumpster fixed but genuinely wants to fix it and fix it.
therealRustyZA@reddit
Browse for skills that could help you in your current space for growth. If not, change jobs. Don't become stagnant in a position. Tech moveds on.
Grimzkunk@reddit
Get a family, if you invest yourself adequately into it, you'll never reach out of challenge in your life, and for the good reason.
SpiceIslander2001@reddit
I've been in this field for about 30+ years now, and eligible for retirement next year. Serving various roles, but always as or in close proximity to system administration.
I've never had a year where this job wasn't challenging, LOL. If the current work is not challenging, challenge yourself to identify and propose something to the company that will save them money, improve reliability, add functionality, etc. There is ALWAYS room for improvement.
hornetmadness79@reddit
I'm at 27 years and I pretty much agree with you. But at some point setting up yet another syslog server or some other normal piece of backend infrastructure just becomes mundane. You're not really learning any new skills you're just a systems janitor. Good luck on the retirement!
SpiceIslander2001@reddit
There's always some room for improvement if you look hard enough. e.g. we were running into issues with PCs disjoining from our AD for some reason. Concern was raised that many employees were just using their laptops on the Internet and not bothering to VPN into the office because most of the stuff they had to do was cloud-based. I did a little reading and then proposed to the company that I could provide a solution that was free (i.e. no capex or licensing required) that would ensure that every PC had access to at least one DC, as long as they had an Internet connection. They gave me the go-ahead so I did it, from server config to custom scripting. I recently proposed to them that we expand it to support user-level AOVPN so we could give IT staff full access without having to rely on a 3rd party solution. I've got a meeting scheduled next week to discuss. Meanwhile I'm writing and troubleshooting scripts to capture usage stats because I know they're going to ask me about that, LOL.
There is always something to do and something new to learn. If you can't do it at the office, add a few GB to your home PC, run a few VMs and do it in a test environment at home :-).
TerrificGeek90@reddit (OP)
Maybe I need to work for a tech company?
Creegz@reddit
I am at this point. I have made up little projects for myself to pass time while looking at job options that can leverage my skills but are not directly related and usually have something additional that I’d be interested in learning about.
UCFknight2016@reddit
I found a new job after that.
korobo_fine@reddit
Run for President
UptimeNull@reddit
Like as in you know all of IT. Wtf? Handover the documentation good sir!
Tactical_Cyberpunk@reddit
I find another challenge.
bbqwatermelon@reddit
This just.. I dont understand it man. There is too much to learn and do I wish days were 36 hours sometimes because EOD I have to fight the urge to keep going because Ive got kids to care for.
apathetic_admin@reddit
I find stuff to entertain myself. Two years ago in our busy season I wrote a tool to parse AWS ELB logs, do IP lookups, and display to hits and what not in html pages. Last year I rewrote it to all dump the data to a SQL database and the front end to be dynamic. This year I want to overlay all of the hits on a map.
rcp9ty@reddit
I have 12 years of experience and I reached this point a couple years ago. My best friend gave me some wonderful advice it might not apply to you but I'm a very creative person ( not arty like sit on Photoshop all day ) I design stuff that doesn't exist and my friend said go learn CAD and start making my ideas real so that's what I did.
Find something to do that isn't computers, something that lets you unplug or just plug in differently. Basically become an end user in your free time and have fun. I mean do you know how to race drones Do you know how to wire up a remote control car and a FPV camera and then hook it up to a gaming laptop and basically turn a small track into a virtual off road course. Have you ever looked into learning cars and engine tuning software. How knowledgeable are you on audio editing software have you thought about using ai to make custom songs like thereiruinedit Maybe do a local class where you teach people how to make trail cameras out of raspberry pi computers. Or volunteer at a local high school on their advanced competitive science team. Or go full 180 what's your best triathlon time. Basically... Computers aren't everything.
IllusorySin@reddit
If I made lotsa money and felt appreciated, I wouldn’t care. But that’s also kind of just the mindset I’m in right now. May totally change in a decade. Lol
Wild_Competition_716@reddit
Me personally? I just started a full car restoration, have I ever really worked on a car before? No Am i having a good time yes
Am I frustrated and challenged Yes
Sounds like a win win
Too adhd to give up
Rotten_Red@reddit
I am not my job. My job enables my lifestyle. I’m happy to be good at my job and slightly underutilized
bad_brown@reddit
Started a business. I've managed to make myself busier than ever, and lots of new challenges. Still have my day job for now as well.
Sufficient_Pepper279@reddit
Started golfing a lot, like daily lol. Just get a good remote work setup
hornetmadness79@reddit
So I've interviewed a few folks that's been in your position and I found them wholly lacking in skills outside of their job. You should definitely start upskilling in your current job. Some low-hanging fruit would be to find cost savings and efficiencies in the system as a whole.
If you know how to code and know a decent amount about databases and load balancers in the cloud you should be able to move into an SRE position after picking up the site reliability engineering handbook.
tacotacotacorock@reddit
Set better goals for yourself. Your goals should be your challenges and if you're doing it right there should be no shortage.