After 25 years of working in IT starting as a child, making recommendations to friends, families and businesses, I will never buy or recommend a HP product to anyone ever again and will go out of my way to recommend against them in the decades to come
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I work in IT. I am not a sysadmin like many others here, but we all have the same roots. I have been aware of printer supply DRM and increasing shenanigans, and have made choices with that in mind. I did not expect to get fucked with a product I have owned for 2-3 years.
I was the kid starting from my early teens, that friends, parents, teachers, and the principals would ask for tech help and recommendations at their homes.
In elementary school and high school, the building was adorned by those tanky black and white HP printers, the ones that ran forever and made the lights flicker when they would first warm up.
My CAD class in high school had a HP plotter that I enjoyed figuring out how to set up and use when the district's IT department neglected to assist for months after its much-anticipated purchase by the STEM department.
At college I worked at the helpdesk and supported a variety of printing infrastructure and came to appreciate the quality of color laser and wax printers. I bought a brand new networked color laserjet for my house of students to share. That was a HP Color Laserjet that lasted over 15 years with more than 5000 pages through it, until it failed to survive one of our cross-country moves.
That printer was amazing, it lasted forever with its initial toner cartridges - they were full size, full-capacity, apparently the LaserJet 3600 was known for being sold with them which was neat. I didn't hesitate to go back and buy genuine HP supplies on the rare occasion we exhausted them, because I knew just how long they lasted.
I spent hundreds of hours volunteering with non-profits in Chicago on my weekends, setting up IT infrastructure amongst other things. I worked with those organizations to purchase and deploy deployed of varying-model of HP Color LaserJet printers because I knew they would Just Work with all of the mixed Linux, Windows, and Mac infrastructure that was donated - Generic PostScript, with their drivers, via wired or wireless - whatever.
I needed a new color laserjet to print some important documents, and didn't hesitate to go to staplesmax and buy the best of the HP color laserjets they had, to get color printing back up and going at home and know I didn't need to fight with anything.
It did exactly that, being a Color Laserjet "Pro" M454dw, hey it even duplexed whereas our now-retired one did not.
I was sad to have it run out of toner SO FAST. I realized it was probably some intentional under-sizing of the initial cartridges.
But ... I couldn't justify spending $676 ($169 EACH!) on a new set of cartridges from HP. Not only because I didn't appreciate the "the first [small] hit is free" aspect of this flagrant consumer-squeezing manipulation, but because I genuinely had no idea how long I could trust the EXPENSIVE replacements to last. If the printer had shipped with full size ones and they lasted us years for our use, I would then be able to weigh the pros/cons of buying genuine.
So I bought aftermarket. I bought one aftermarket set for $275 because I wanted to ensure they worked properly from that source. They did, and a great value.
I then ordered another set to have on the shelf, since I knew they would work and were sealed to sit for years until we need them.
That was back in March of this year. Today I go to print something, the blue is fading, so I replace the cartridge. The printer gives an error about non-genuine supplies and refuses to print. It accepts the other aftermarket toners that are already installed but refuses to take new ones.
I wonder WTF happened? How could some of the toners from the set work but others not?
I google it, and find pages starting to say things like "if you use aftermarket toner, disable automatic updates"
Wow, printers have automatic firmware updates? What the fuck is this?
Sure enough, my printer updated to the 2024-07-02 firmware at some point recently, and I guess after opening/closing the toner door it scanned and now refuses to print.
This 2 (or 3?) year old printer that I probably spent $400 on and the $500+ in toner I have here, is now junk
HP, as someone who has not experienced these issues firsthand and has avoided repeating things I have not experienced myself; and as someone who just had $1000 wasted by your moves -- congratulations , I am now part of that club.
I am someone who believes in the power of the market and avoids saying "this shouldn't be legal!" to everything - but I believe in right to repair, warranties, the legitimacy of a consumer to use aftermarket parts in/with the products that they own outright.
It should not be legal to push out software updates that intentionally remove functionality from devices which had no contract, no subscription, no entitlements required/agreed upon up front.
This is open hostility to consumers.
I bought genuine HP products. I bought genuine HP supplies until HP played consumer tricks that made me not be able to buy them in good faith that they were worth the value. I recommended HP printers because of my years of positive experiences.
I will never be buying another HP product. I will actively recommend everyone I know avoid HP products, especially printing/media-related products.
I am not a petty person, but I believe strongly in the need to push back about unfair and anti-consumer practices. I hope that my future roles in my career continue to give me a platform to deprive HP of as much business as possible for engaging in the practices that continue to erode confidence in the technology that we all live and work with every day.
PotatoOfDestiny@reddit
their consumer-level stuff is absolute dogshit. you pretty much have to be in a position to be spending $800+ on a printer before they get even half decent
shellmachine@reddit
tl;dr: OP, an experienced IT professional, expresses frustration with HP after a firmware update on their 2-3 year old printer blocked the use of aftermarket toner cartridges. They detail a long history of positive experiences with HP printers, which led them to trust the brand and recommend it to others. However, the recent software update has rendered their printer unusable with non-genuine supplies, despite the user having already invested heavily in aftermarket toner. They criticize this move as anti-consumer and hostile, especially since the update was pushed without consent, removing functionality the user relied on. As a result, they vow to never purchase HP products again and to actively discourage others from doing so.
RegistryRat@reddit
AI generated response?
shellmachine@reddit
It's a summary, hence the "tl;dr", written by an AI, yes, correct.
Imaginary_End_8764@reddit
"My CAD class in high school had a HP plotter that I enjoyed figuring out how to set up and use when the district's IT department neglected to assist for months after its much-anticipated purchase by the STEM department." - This was most likely ignored on purpose because it was purchased outside normal channels. We regularly have to adhere to this policy. I realize to you it seems they neglected to do it, but if a tech dept. ran every time a group or teacher decided they needed something and purchased it for us to come hookup we would be chasing our tails non-stop.
ruffian-wa@reddit
wait it took you 25 years to realise how shit HP is? far out dude.. was the dv series not enough of an indication to run for the hills?
bbud613@reddit
Nobody uses dv systems for work. HP's retail products are crap, but the business Prodesks and Elitebooks are rock solid.
ruffian-wa@reddit
No they aren't. Had over 1500 Probooks in my fleet before and they sucked. Couldn't survive student use at all.. moved to Yoga's and my RMA / repairs dropped to just 5% of what they were on Probooks.
That said, I have a fair few Z Workstations in my fleet now and they aren't bad.. but they're no Dell Precision that's for sure..
HP still occasionally try sneaky shit like including spinning rust raid disks instead of M.2 primaries in their builds to squeeze a bit more margin, but I've written it into the tender docs now the base standard they have to comply with and it's gotten somewhat better.
bbud613@reddit
Probooks are crap too and why I didn't mention them. They are "prosumer" grade machines with lower end parts inside. During the pandemic they were all we could get in Canada at one point.
ruffian-wa@reddit
Oof you poor guys being stuck with those.. I remember when I placed my 1000+ Yoga order and they couldn't get stock for us in the entire Asia Pacific region.. so we had to get stock from both EMEA and South America as well..
My hatred of HP mostly stems from how unethical their staff are. I got screwed over on a 200+ desktop deal as a reseller once with them when they went in direct and tried to steal the customer deal from under me. Shady af. I took the customer to Dell instead.
bbud613@reddit
Why would you go direct to HP as a reseller when you can go to wholesalers like Ingram or TechData?
ruffian-wa@reddit
Ingram referred it direct to cut a better deal.
tch2349987@reddit
I stopped using HP since they required you to sign up an account so you can print or have other features available. I recommend BROTHER printers to everyone now.
ganlet20@reddit
I stopped when HPE started requiring an account to download server drivers.
They may have backed down since but I switched to Dell.
shashwat_12@reddit
Been there. I was told that is coz they need to block updates in Russia or something.
fahque@reddit
They block by ip which doesn't require an account.
Otaehryn@reddit
This policy was in effect before the war and I've found service pack for Proliant on a Russian sysadmins site. sha256 checked out.
m00mba@reddit
Isn't that the way most of the manufacturers are? Is it just Dell that isn't that way?
OutsidePerson5@reddit
Dell, Lenovo, Brother, Ricoh, even Dymo, don't require an account to get drivers. In fact offhand I can't think of any but HP that do.
meepiquitous@reddit
https://www.hpe.com/us/en/newsroom/press-release/2024/01/hpe-to-acquire-juniper-networks-to-accelerate-ai-driven-innovation.html
wastewater-IT@reddit
More and more are requiring logins for everything (cough, Cisco), but with Dell you can still go right to the product page and download all the drivers you need, no contract or login required. Example for their blade servers: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/poweredge-mx750c/drivers , you can just grab the latest drivers right from this page.
Brilliant_Pipe_2704@reddit
Yerp, Meraki devices just stop functioning if you don't pay the "license" fee. So much e-waste. Last AP I binned had about 3kg of high-grade aluminium. On the plus side, recycle purchase was enough for half a box of beers.
Practical-Appeal267@reddit
HP has turned into the crack dealer of the IT ghetto. Days are numbered.
They have lost our business to literally ANYONE else... HEll, even supermicro makes better servers than HP.
You want the ISO for your server ? You better pay a fee, bitch!
You want to know which way to move a jumper to add a CPU to that motherboard? Pay a fee, bitch!
BUT WHY?
Well just go elsewhere...
Antonio Neri has ruined everything the wonderful Carly Fiorina did.
In our neigborhood, we'd called the guy was selling crack at the bus stop "the moolie"
HPE is the new bus stop.
They sell the government overpriced crack- quality servers; like crack, it stops working after 10 minutes and you have to buy more.
Yep, new name for Anthonio Neri, the moolie.
RememberCitadel@reddit
Yep, much of the enterprise tech world requires an account, or even potentially an active support contract to get updates. Most end user devices, though, do not. Most servers don't either, but anything designed as a virtualization host generally does.
Basically, the higher the device costs, the more likely it is to require an account and/or support contract. HP being the anomaly for user devices
altodor@reddit
I need an account to get the firmware for SAN appliances from Dell. But that makes sense, it looks like a whole Linux-like OS in there.
RememberCitadel@reddit
True, but those are basically another company Dell bought, who used to need an account to download their firmware before they were bought. They just kept that up.
Practical-Appeal267@reddit
No they need you to have an account so that they can track you like facebook...
fencepost_ajm@reddit
I blacklisted when they required an active support contract to download server firmware updates, fortunately I was dealing with mostly Dell servers.
RedditNotFreeSpeech@reddit
Yeah so ridiculous. Getting harder and harder to find the latest spp floating around too.
Conservadem@reddit
Thats a pretty low ban threshold. I mean, I get that it's annoying. But it's not unreasonable.
da_chicken@reddit
No, it really is. They're hosting software that is entirely useless with exactly the hardware they sell. It's only value is to people you can already guarantee are your customers.
It's shitting where you eat.
Valheru78@reddit
Exactly, I already bought your hardware and if it performs well I will keep buying it, why do I need an extra account to download some drivers or firmware updates? This only discourages people from updating causing added security issues in the worst case.
Otaehryn@reddit
Switched to Supermicro with cross shipping warranty.
0verstim@reddit
https://www.theverge.com/23642073/best-printer-2023-brother-laser-wi-fi-its-fine
digitaltransmutation@reddit
They made a new one of those for 2024 with a bunch of keyword stuffing: https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/2/24117976/best-printer-2024-home-use-office-use-labels-school-homework-
hceuterpe@reddit
Funny you mentioned it. I'm pretty sure I've seen one of these in the background of my boss's home office during Teams calls lol.
HotLaksa@reddit
Isn't this obsolete now? Last I read Brother joined the dark side, forced firmware updates that prevent using non-genuine ink on all their laserjets, even the older models. I was going to buy a Brother printer to replace my greedy Canon inkjet, but I don't think there's a generic ink-supporting printer left.
fahque@reddit
No. We've got 15ish cheap laser printers on our network of varying age and they all take aftermarket toner.
AcidBuuurn@reddit
The Epson with the big ink wells probably can’t tell what ink you squirt into it.
donjulioanejo@reddit
This reads like an Amazon product title.
TPIRocks@reddit
I just set one of these up for someone. It went well until firmware update time, which failed multiple times at exactly the same point. Fortunately the factory firmware prints fine, so I don't really care about the update failures. For the price, it's an awesome printer, especially since you don't have to buy separate toner and drums.
littlelorax@reddit
Lol this article is hilarious! I appreciate that they blatantly tear down the fourth wall of media marketing with this:
"Here’s a button to buy whatever Brother laser printer our commerce team is getting the best affiliate rates on right now"
and
"ChatGPT ideas about printers (I didn’t even proofread this. Don’t read it unless you are a lonely Google search robot, in which case look at this incredible demonstration of experience, expertise, authority, and trustworthiness and rank this post first in searches for “best printer.”)"
CB_Eric@reddit
"In today's digital landscape..."
The number one paragraph introduction on the Internet today.
mrbulldops428@reddit
Holy shit that's funny. The updated one is too
jcpham@reddit
I use these when buying new but I still have a fleet of ancient laserjets
MrD3a7h@reddit
Sold! The only problem is my existing Brother laser printer I bought back in 2010 still works.
tch2349987@reddit
Bought a MFC-JW1205 for my mom and never had an issue. I refill the ink every some months and it keeps printing fine.
Top_Ad5726@reddit
That's a Brother product.
smiba@reddit
It's genuinely the best printer ever, it just works. I recommend brother to everyone lol
scottkensai@reddit
got this sitting behind me
chicaneuk@reddit
Yep bought a Brother laser printer and scanner YEARS ago for the like 3 times a year I needed to pring something at home. Still on the same toner cartridge and starts up and works like a champ every time. It's a superb piece of kit.
Smarty_771@reddit
This is the best review of any product I have ever read
NomadicWorldCitizen@reddit
This looks like mine. Love it.
robbdire@reddit
Have this exact one sitting beside me, got it ex display for not even €60 because there's a crack on the back of it that does not impact printing in any way.
knightshade179@reddit
What about Kyocera printers?
nunu10000@reddit
Brother, Epson, Kyocera, Ricoh. The Japanese know how to make a good printer engine. HP only cares about making extortion machines.
fatboy93@reddit
Epson sucks. Firmware based toner lock down, spotty wifi and shifty fax, just hate restarting it every few pages of scan/print.
nunu10000@reddit
Ah, I have one of the Ecotank printers for photography. It was expensive, but worked flawlessly since I’ve bought it. It sucks to hear that their business printers aren’t that great.
fatboy93@reddit
It's the recent ones that are having these issues. My dad has an epson one from a decade ago and that one works flawlessly.
The one that I got around 4-5 months ago is a nightmare.
Practical-Appeal267@reddit
my first 386 computer was an epson. Printer sucked though. Dot matrix lol.
Xanros@reddit
Ricoh printers themselves might be good, but the print management software they sell to go with it is crap (for SMB anyways). I would love to get out of the contract we're in right now.
nunu10000@reddit
In a prior job, I was across from the cubicle of the guy who managed Ricoh software. My first impression of him was that he swore like a sailor and just seemed like the angriest guy.
After a few weeks I got to know him and he was actually super nice! He just had a low tolerance for bullshit and hated working with Ricoh software.
kissmyash933@reddit
Kyo makes some of the best printers you can buy. Their machines are my very first choice for business printers. They are LaserJet 4 reliable.
SomeoneRandom007@reddit
Wow- that is high praise. LJ4's were awesome.
kissmyash933@reddit
I worked at a law firm as the sole IT guy and had a couple hundred EcoSys machines on lease. I watched those attorneys print reams of paper at a time out of those things all day long for years. Occasionally one would get a little streaky and the tech would come out and replace a roller, but that was the only failure I ever saw. Never had a fuser problem, never had a pickup problem, never had an electronics problem. Their drivers are actually universal and very low impact on the system, they aren’t even fiddly. I regularly sent one that had over half a million pages on it into a courtroom with no backup except for an extra toner cartridge and five or six cases of paper; never once did I think to myself “maybe they should have a spare just in case”. They just fucking work, and they’ll level a forest in no time if you let them.
My mom is a teacher and they decided they were going to fuck the teachers on copies. After my experience at work, I bought her a used Kyocera CS300i copier that the local copier dealer had back from its original lease, it had aged out and they weren’t going to re lease it, they sold it to me for like $250. I rolled it into my mom’s house and said have a blast! She beat the absolute shit out of it for four or five years, I think she even ran construction paper through it. Then my sister duplex printed 500 copies of her 300 page book to cold mail publishers. It has never skipped a beat either, we’ve replaced the toner and waste tank a couple times, but other than that, you’d swear it was brand new. It has over a million pages on it, and I didn’t expect it to last long.
Kyocera has earned their place in my head, and until they really start screwing up, they’re my first choice.
SomeoneRandom007@reddit
Very nice. My HP MFP377dw is getting old but still running perfectly. It's replacement is likely to be either a Brother or a Kyocera. HP used to support printing anything sent to an email address, but then withdrew it. How is reducing function of a product you've bought acceptable?
Practical-Appeal267@reddit
I prefered the LJ5m with the mac font addon lol
7ach-attach@reddit
We would lease Kyocera copier/printers for our office. Those first ones were awesome. Easy to open up and remove paper jams. Easy to change cartridges. The new ones have too much tech. I need to use the empty black toner as the new waste toner? wtf? Office life
SomeoneRandom007@reddit
Re-using the old toner cartridge makes sense to me, but it's probably messy.
GBeck69@reddit
Indeed! Those were tanks that lasted in decades what other printers last in years.
Practical-Appeal267@reddit
I love that somebody else loves the old LJ's
Imobia@reddit
True story, worked for small government agency in Australia we had ancient HP laser printer this 4si or something.
I recommend an upgrade to Kyocera ones. Manager with zero it knowledge. Never heard that brand not buying that.
Huge mistake.
meepiquitous@reddit
I've heard that they use some kind of waxy ink that is badly replicated with 3rd party cartridges.
It's probably false, though
knightshade179@reddit
They're laser printers, it's possible they have ink printers I suppose.
land8844@reddit
I have a Kyocera laser printer from 2006. I hate it, my wife hates it, but it won't die.
rcp9ty@reddit
Stay away from their wide format printers those those are garbage. Go Cannon aka Oce or Ricoh if you're cheap.
Aurora5511@reddit
My employee got one 4 years ago. Seldomly made trouble in the beginning, but the service technician fixed it - Probably wasn't setup properly before.
Since then, it works like a charm. We are migrating to Intune, so i deployed the PCL v3 Driver with a PS Script wrapped into a Win32 App from home: Network printing worked like it should. I'd recommend Kyocera.
OutsidePerson5@reddit
In my experience they're pretty OK. You run into some weird driver issues sometimes but otherwise I've never had serious problems with one.
The weird driver issue I encountered was that the driver previously installed by the T1 who set up the printer was one digit off from the actual model of the printer. And it worked for around six months until a firmware update came in and then the very slightly wrong driver stopped working.
So not really Kyocera's fault. I would have appreciated universal drivers though.
zqpmx@reddit
What about Dolev printers?
PassiveF1st@reddit
I absolutely LOVE our Kyocera printers. Granted, I don't service them (have a contractor who does) but we have very little problem with them.
Aim_Fire_Ready@reddit
I agree on both points; I have some old M402 single tray B&W units in production, but after those, it’s Brother MFCs all the way.
PurpleAd3935@reddit
Same for personal use I always recommend brother,way better printer ,and more pirate friendly.But at professional label there is nothing wrong with HP ,I have like 50 of them on my work .
ALadWellBalanced@reddit
I've seen this discussion so many times over the last few years. Back in 2021 I had to get a new printer. I went with the Brother HL-1210w.
It sits, connected to power, silently waiting in a cupboard in sleep mode. I print something from a device in my home. It wakes up, prints it, goes back to sleep. No fuss.
Drivers are 17MB in size. It just works.
By comparison, I got a "wireless" HP printer during covid lockdown, drivers were 700MB+, constantly pestered to register, took me a couple of hours to get working the software package was a piece of shit. Printed about 40 pages and then wanted new ink.
Fuck HP and their anti-consumer bullshit.
Brother for life.
TurboAnon2137@reddit
Totally agree. I've recommend to switch all HP/Samsung printers to Brother in the offices of several of my clients. Since then no issues with the printers at all. Everything just works. These printers won't stop working by themselves, you don’t have to constantly reinstall drivers or call for on site service.
Ok-Hunt3000@reddit
I always sing that song too “He ain’t heavy, he’s my Brother” but the mfers are heavy and I’ve been asked to stop
Frogtarius@reddit
I agree, don't support HP, logitech or Epson.
badlucktv@reddit
IMHO, YMMV, DYOR, RMV, my humble 2c:
I tried brother, and 5 printers deployed for clients, hugely regret it.
Now I'm about that Kyocera life, and everything is easy breezy, durable, amazing service and parts, new models out this year which are actually fantastic.
Brother = caused problems for me and my clients.
Kyocera = added capability, reliability, and joy for me and my clients.
I understand Brother printers are probably fine for millions of people, and the one posted below is a legit post, many manufacturers have that basic laser that has an inverted state black hole at its core where the toner should be, but toner just keeps coming out somehow.
My sister and I got through combined 8 years of university replacing the cartridge once (from the half full included cart) in an old model Brother like that. Shit was crazy.
Mission-Accountant44@reddit
Bought a simple B&W Brother laser for $100 4 years ago and haven't had a single problem with it. I recommend Brother to everyone now
50YearsofFailure@reddit
I inherited a B&W Brother MFC laser 10 years ago, it was probably 2-3 years old then. It's still going strong. Granted, I don't print much now.
moldyjellybean@reddit
Definitely never HP again. I was given ewasted HP printers, so I gave them to family and friends.
Almost all died, the only ones that didn’t were for close family that I put the printer on a different vlan and DNS so there was no way for it to have internet access. I don’t know if HP now requires internet access to print ( I did this probably 8+ years ago, it was shit even then).
The only HP laptops that were good were elitebooks years ago, they’ve gotten worse. Every Pavilion I’ve seen has been garbage beyond what I even thought consumer garbage could be.
The other enterprise HP product I really liked was Nimble but that’s more a Nimble product that HP bought and will likely gut. But when I retired Nimble was still one of the best products and one of the best support I’ve encountered. Everything else HP was getting worse, but Dell some how wins the the worse enterprise laptop and docks.
50YearsofFailure@reddit
I stopped with HP after they had a major design flaw in their laptops circa 2010-12. Basically the southbridge was on the same heatsink as the proc and the heat transfer from the proc had to traverse the southbridge on its way to the fan and vent. Unfortunately that heat was too much for the solder holding the southbridge in place, and over time (a year or two) they would disconnect from the board.
Between that fiasco and their toner gauging and their firmware ransoming, never again.
jkarovskaya@reddit
When the Uni I was admin for retired their fleet of Elitebooks I got 7 of them.
For a brief moment, these laptops have magnesium chassis with aluminum panels covering entire exterior.
10 years later, these are still running great, gave a few to family, and they will run Win 11 nicely even with TPM 1.2 using Rufus to bypass compat check
Flawless product back then
quinnby1995@reddit
I'm still rocking an MFC-7840w, I got from my dad who got it back in like 2010
I just replaced the drum and toner in it for the first time since 2018, cost me a whopping $40 off Amazon.
I want to replace it to get a new one with a faster scanner but this fucker just will not die.
warzonexx@reddit
Yeah I have a brother laser printer. Ink never runs dry. I print maybe once a month. Never had issues. I Think it's around 6 years old now. HP printers in the past for me lucky to last past second year or ink needing replacing every few months because it dries out or used all up keeping "wet"
Top_Ad5726@reddit
Sounds like a Huge Problem.
Their ink cartridges are High Prices.
Everyone bringing us a HP in for repairs is usually a Horrible Product.
What else does HP stand for?
KupoMcMog@reddit
yeah my CFO's HP bricked until we set up the HP account for her.
She...was not happy, because it used to be plop paper in, hit button, scanned directly to the computer.
Now it has to go through the app, that you need to boot up first so you can log in, its atrocious.
Sadly, we're in the minority
JohnGillnitz@reddit
Me too, but don't say it so loud. Some asshole will come along and enshitify them.
Adept-Midnight9185@reddit
I have had my BROTHER laser printer for years and I love it dearly.
But even they now have it showing on the LCD that it's low on toner and bugging me to go to sometonersubscriptionthing.com which was frankly heartbreaking to see. Especially since I bought a new toner immediately and am just waiting to see any actual streaking of any kind before blindly replacing my toner. It's been more than 8 months, my old toner is still going strong because I simply don't print very often.
New_git@reddit
I remember how we couldn't "complete the installation" of the printer because it was requiring you to sign up for an account with your mobile device and use your phone number to activate. That was the day where I've decided to feel and the same as OP not just for myself but for anyone and everyone that I can get to.
nytel@reddit
Same same same!! Fuck HP for making you have an account just to fucking scan!! Brother FTW!
tas50@reddit
It's even worse than that. They had some perfectly normal software for their multifunction printers. They removed it from their website and replaced it with some web based turd that had 1/3 the features and required a Facebook login. They're dead to me. I paid for this printer and a year later they made it worse on purpose.
slyfox49@reddit
Bought one for my wife's grandfather years ago for $150. Same printer today is $400.
Found one on marketplace for $30. Toner was low so I bought a new one and it's running great. Couldn't be happier.
protogenxl@reddit
I moved to Epson eco-tank bit more, Maintenance but no games with cartridges.
boxheadmoose@reddit
Thanks BROTHER
BrainWaveCC@reddit
Likewise. I've been using Brother printers for years (decades, actually) and it was because I became annoyed at HP printers way back then...
billyjack669@reddit
BY GOD!
DrAZT3CH@reddit
Came here to say this lol
BenadrylBeer@reddit
Hell yea BROTHER! cheers from brother town
Feeling_Object_4940@reddit
i just set up a Oki Printer
the hardware is all fine but their manuals and support are godawful
the logo in their web interface leads to an indonesian gambling site (okiprintingsolutions.com domain got hijacked i guess)
Infinite-Machine-693@reddit
They (HP)started “time locking” the ink cartridges in retail over 10 yrs ago. The market bears it.
lost_in_life_34@reddit
HP servers yes
HP computers or printers never
Competitive-Dog-4207@reddit
We have zbooks and they are actually pretty good. Dell and Lenovo can suck my dick.
Slyons89@reddit
Our elitebooks are our most reliable systems. They aren’t perfect but they are the cleanest shirts in a pile of dirty laundry.
Our Lenovo thinkbooks system are pretty bad, the gen1 Lenovo thinkbook ITL model with Intel 11th gen were horrible. So many failures. Power delivery issues where a remote users laptop shuts off and will not turn back on. All the troubleshooting steps are useless, and they use Torx bits that users don’t have at home. We ship the user a loaner and they ship their laptop to us. By the time it reaches us 2-3 days later, it powers on completely fine and Lenovo won’t do an RMA because it works.
We dropped Dell 5+ years ago because of their Latitude line having so many failing batteries, expanding and cracking the laptop chassis, thankfully no fires but of course the battery is only warrantied for 1 year so fuck us amirite?
Competitive-Dog-4207@reddit
To be honest, with the zbooks we will occasionally get a lemon but its just once in a while. With Latitudes at my last job entire series would be lemons
iama_bad_person@reddit
We are an HP house for laptops, 2000+ currently deployed from Elitebooks all the way to up zBooks, and apart from some teething issues with the x360 hinges and fans around the G2/G3 line 5 years ago we have had no systematic issues with them.
lost_in_life_34@reddit
I'll never forgive HP for this
15 years or so ago my employer at the time bought me a nice $1500 HP laptop. Money was tight and I was able to game a little on it. The laptop came with a 3 year warranty out of the box
Around 18 months later the screen started to mess up. The laptop was either on my desk or in my backpack and never dropped or any sign of damage. I sent it in. a few weeks later no answer. Finally they said I broke the inside of the screen. they showed some photos of it off saying the discoloration on the screen was proof I misused it.
CDW was no help and my employer finally paid to fix it. They refused to honor their warranty and i'll never buy anything from them again. I bought Surface laptops for my kids and now we all have macbooks because they need them for school and they like them. I've had macbooks for over a decade, carried them around and never had a hardware issue except a bad hard drive on a 2012 model years after I bought it
jakeryan91@reddit
HPE = Good
HPI= Bad
IVRYN@reddit
HP Enterprise support contract is shit anyway
Bigbesss@reddit
If you've been working in IT for 25 years and have bought a HP printer recently its on you my dude
Worried-Celery-2839@reddit
This is the way
ForeverYonge@reddit
My dude.
I did some reselling for beer money, a few k a year at most. Printed all my labels on a $20 black and white Brother I got from Goodwill.
If it picked up more I’d buy a label printer, not a brand new color HP.
richardvt@reddit
Hi there, i have seen plenty of perfectly good HP laserjets binned because of the damage done with aftermarket toners. While your printer is under warranty HP i think is fair to request you use confirmed compatible and correct toner in a printer they are required to service if it fails. If HP block you from using aftermarket after the warranty is expired thats another matter.
That being said i have seen HP's next business day warranty joke where you spend 2 weeks on whatsapp running random tests before they eventually organise a tech then a part thats not available for 6 weeks then expect you to buy a new printer so you can print until their next business day warranty service is complete 4 months later.
FliesLikeABrick@reddit (OP)
This is at least a year after warranty ended, they pushed a software update that blocked 3rd party consumables
Omosito@reddit
I like a lot of HP stuff but i avoid their printers like the plague
socialcommentary2000@reddit
I have been administering enterprise level printers on the job from HP for 25 years now. We have, conservatively, around 375 networked laser printers of various vintages installed.
Never had a problem.
You spec'd the X variants of the toners on that one, so yeah, you're paying approximately double for a full cartridge refill. Standard A's will cost around 400 for the full spread.
See, the issue with color laser printing is that you really win when you can scale it and have a friendly contract for supply on a running basis. Your cost per sheet plummets at that point. Color laser printing is also one of those realms where if you really do not need to be doing it, you shouldn't. And here's another important point : You should never be printing black and white on a color printer.
The firmware update thing also comes with the territory and I agree that it is shitty. With a printer like that the first thing you should do is going into the settings and turn off the automatic update. The 454dw isn't exactly consumer, but it is definitely not enterprise. If you want to avoid all of this entirely, you need to pull up into the $1K+ range so that you're firmly inside the bounds of enterprise printing. You got burned. It sucks. HP has been doing this for years in the consumer space and they are only going to tighten the hold until the law tells them to F off, which is probably never going to happen in the states.
Why are you printing labels on a color laser at all for a small ball business like that? You should get yourself a workhorse BnW laser and feed literally 95 percent of the stuff through that. You can find rock solid enterprise HP lasers on the secondary market for peanuts and then get 20K sheets from a single X toner. At the less than 35 percent coverage that you'll typically do, you'll get insane mileage out of it. Government entities that have set schedules on dumping their printers after support contract expiration are all over the place. I just palleted a stack of M608dn's that had less than a full maintenance kit put on them and they will get resold on the market in minutes.
quack_duck_code@reddit
It's a bit presumptuous to point at the firmware. I would like to see two side by side one updated and one not in order to confirm the suspicion.
Or if OP can roll back the firmware and try again.
Just my two cents
grimtongue@reddit
HP split the company in half 10 years ago: Hewlett-Packard Enterprise and HP Inc. I believe that OP is referring to consumer products which is an entirely different company than what you're dealing with.
TMS-Mandragola@reddit
HPE is servers, storage and networking. HPI has enterprise class printers for printing in enterprises.
I mean, it is a little confusing. But you’re a sysadmin and in the industry presumably? I suggest you edit the post, as you’re conflating a decade worth of divergence.
weird_fishes_1002@reddit
Unfortunately the whole "as a service" model is creeping into the dumbest shit. However ridiculous it is, if a company can find a way to start microcharging you for doing something that used to be free, they will do it. This won't end because the herd (us consumers) keep paying for it. We might complain but they we pay for it. Sucks.
infoteq1@reddit
I've been actively doing this for years since HP burnt me on a laptop warranty with a known nvidia fault that every other manufacturer just fixed!! Been 20 years now, work in IT, have NEVER purchased an HP product since, nor have any of my clients.
red286@reddit
As a reseller, I can't stand dealing with HP any more because of their business practices. I only sell them because people demand HP, particularly when it comes to laser printers. You can tell them about Lexmark or Brother or Canon and no one gives a shit. They want a LaserJet because that's all they know and that's all they trust, even if it's demonstrably the worst and least reliable brand in the game.
Those HP toners that they want $169ea for? Yeah they only cost $80ea, but HP won't let stores sell them for anything under $169. Now, you might think, "well that's just more money for you, why would you complain about that?", but that's wrong. It's more money for whoever has the most warehouses and the cheapest shipping because if everyone sells the same product for the same price, the differentiator is shipping. Or, to put it bluntly, HP just took all our business and gave it to Amazon since I'm not allowed to compete on price, and Amazon gives everyone next-day free shipping.
richardvt@reddit
In australia most online toner stores are selling genuine HP toners for $20-$30 less than the distributor price from HP's official distributors. And often the toners arriving are the govt contract toners because the distributors are selling those to online stores as a side hustle.
regularguy2121@reddit
I really like the Epson tank printers for inkjet. The tanks last forever and the printer can't tell if you put aftermarket brand ink in it.
Primary-Birthday-363@reddit
I recently purchased a used Lexmark C792DE with an extra set of toners for $150 bucks. It’s the deal of a century for me. Also got a waste toner bottle, new fused and a few other parts. Total printed pages when purchased was less then 60 thousand.
https://www.lexmark.com/en_us/printer/6395/Lexmark-C792de
I would suggest looking at the used printer market there is a lot of good deals out there.
DAdem244@reddit
Dell is just as bad
mechanicalagitation@reddit
Fiorina destroyed HP. A literal american tech icon is now little more than a case study on how to destroy a company.
unbearablepancake@reddit
HP printers are actually Canon printers. Some models have compatible toners too, at least they used to until a few years ago.
Recently I've noticed a huge enshittification regarding their printers as well, where they just rebrand their last gen printer but change it so slightly that you now need a new toner. Their newer models are booting longer than Cisco switches and are really confusing to navigate as well (looking at you, m406dn). Other than that, they still suffer from all of the issues their previous gen printers suffered from, and some of them are caused by the toner cartridges as well.
Why is your printer able to access the internet? Printers can fuck off when it comes to internet access.
zorinlynx@reddit
Yeah where I work all printers are on a "local stuff" VLAN that can't touch the internet. Any printer that requires internet access to work simply isn't an option for us.
HoustonBOFH@reddit
I also put printers on the vlan with cameras from the east... No trust at all.
tonkatruckz369@reddit
All of the big name brands have become garbage these days. My family comes to me and has them custom built nowadays and the results have been much better.
holdmywizardhat@reddit
Bro, PANTUM
My colored toners are cheap and last forever, I stock way up on the b&w toners which I buy in bulk for $50/piece. I print all my ebooks so I can write on them. I’ve printed so many books and I’m on my 9th month on the same toner.
This has less to do with IT unless you’re trying to setup some multi-building/floor AD/LDAP badge system.
lonestar659@reddit
Welcome to 15 years ago
GarageIntelligent@reddit
meh, business class hardware isn't bad.
Practical-Appeal267@reddit
HP USED TO MAKE THE BEST LASER PRINTERS, LIKE THE LASERJET 5. I still have one from 1995 that works great.
NOW THEY ARE LIGHTWEIGHT DISPOSABLE PICES OF SHIT THAT YOU CANNOT REPLACE THE FUSER WHEN ITS DEAD.
HP used to have high quality servers. Now they sell shit.
THESE PIECES OF SHIT, ORGINIATE IN A SHITHOLE COUNTRY, CHINA.
HP MAKES THEIR MONEY BILKING THE GOVERNMENT AND THE CONSUMER, CATER TO GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS, AND NOW THAT YOUR KIDS GIVE NO SHITS ABOUT QUALITY, THEY NOW FEED YOU SHIT ALSO.
CASE IN POINT= I HAVE A G3 DL180 STILL RUNNING IN A DATACENTER IN SAN FRAN. ITS OLDER THAN MOST OF YOUR CAREERS. I HAVE A NEW GEN11 DL380 THAT HAS HAD THE MOTHERBOARD REPLACED TWICE. PIECE OF SHIT.
cszolee79@reddit
Hm, I came to this decision back in 1998.
Kaninbil@reddit
I ain't reading all that. I am happy for you tho, or sorry that happened
TheWino@reddit
Seriously gimme the TL;DR fam.
N3rdr4g3@reddit
TL;DR: he bought an HP color lazer printer. Bought second hand toner cartridges because the official ones were $$$, and they worked fine until HP pushed an update to block them
biqqie@reddit
This is why I bought a laser printer with no WiFi and never connect the Ethernet cable to mine.
N3rdr4g3@reddit
Network printing is so useful though. Just throw it on a separate VLAN with no outgoing access
laboye@reddit
Shit, just manually configure it with no gateway or DNS.
cdewey17@reddit
Barnacles, just make a firewall rule to block outside traffic to and from that IP.
ermghoti@reddit
I eventually forgot what I had started reading and expected to find a recipe at the end
Mindestiny@reddit
"You came here for a pudding recipe, but first let me write six ad-riddled pages of amateur creative fiction about how this pudding saved my son's life at an NFL game when he was six years old and now he has to have it at every holiday or he'll transform into a rutabaga"
cylindrical_@reddit
This comment reads like one of those old people on Amazon answers who uselessly replies "I don't know" to a question.
I swear, boomers just can't help but interjecting themselves into stuff, even when they have nothing meaningful to say.
OpionatedEccentric@reddit
Dude is either on a lot of caffeine or needs to be more aware of how he comes off after taking adderall. Holy shit.
jman1121@reddit
HP.
Printer.
Mad.
Fin.
NYCmob79@reddit
Lmao, I had to scroll up to see... I got triggered by the title and went straight to comment lol
dk45365@reddit
I like this comment, or maybe I don't.
Cma1234@reddit
best of luck to em
CircadianRadian@reddit
I scrolled for a TL;DR. Didn't find one.
gordonv@reddit
TL;DR:
HP Printers are bad
CircadianRadian@reddit
Thank you kindly
CeldonShooper@reddit
Skimped through and just thought who cares, just buy Brother printers and done.
Destination_Centauri@reddit
OP is now blaming us all for an overly long winded rant:
"I guess /r/sysadmin was not the right place to share a rant, even when tagged as such"
An overly long worded (and not interestingly written) incoming rant about the sub is next from the OP, I guess!
Crafty_Train1956@reddit
lol dude flips out over a printer and claims to be doing this for 24 years.
If your soul isn't hardened against printer failures after 25 years, you're cooked.
Redacted_Reason@reddit
25 years needed to find out HP printer drivers are shit is just absurd.
crysisnotaverted@reddit
Yep. I've had users run clear transfer plastic through our toner printer. Gutting the thing and pulling the plastic sheet off the fuser assembly was fuuuun.
Printers suck, we all know that.
ThatITguy2015@reddit
I stopped caring about printer failures about a year after I got into IT. Like it is gonna happen. Nothing much you can do about it. Some stuff you can do to lessen the blows.
VexingRaven@reddit
Not even an interesting rant. "HP printers suck!" is the least surprising thing I have ever read in my life. It's more surprising that there is still anyone alive who would recommend HP.
BrainWaveCC@reddit
😂😂😂😂 - when I see "this is a long rant" I do a quick mouse wheel scroll to gauge level of effort, and I have to admit that this post exceeded the informal threshold considerably.
Destination_Centauri@reddit
u/FliesLikeABrick is now blaming us all for an overly long winded rant:
"I guess /r/sysadmin was not the right place to share a rant, even when tagged as such"
An overly long worded (and not interestingly written) incoming rant about the sub is next from the OP, I guess!
Destination_Centauri@reddit
OP is now blaming us for an overly long winded rant:
"I guess /r/sysadmin was not the right place to share a rant, even when tagged as such"
An overly long worded incoming rant about the sub is next, I guess!
A_Min22@reddit
I was dumb enough to read it. Both apply pretty well, so you’re all good m8.
Intunealways@reddit
Felt the same way 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
raj1030@reddit
This is the only thing I read and I agree
ForceFlow2002@reddit
Tech companies have ups and downs and rise and fall all the time. Sometimes their products meet your needs for while, then sometimes they don't. Then sometimes they make changes and do again.
I've used HP printers for longer than I care to admit. However, because of their ink shenanigans in the last few years and unnecessary cloud account requirements, I actively dropped HP over a year ago and went full-on with Brother instead.
I miss some of the granular controls/settings that HP firmware had, but not enough to go back.
Maybe in a few years HP will realize the big mistakes they made.
5yn4ck@reddit
I think you are going to find nothing but agreement here. I think most of us, if not all of us have been bitten by HP's hostile practices. Like you I used to support many HP laserjet tanks. I mean this literally. I know of exactly 3 of them that had fallen down a flight of stairs and still worked afterwards. I was working at a university at the time and they were the standard because they could easily be networked back in the day of that being a somewhat new thing. Can we all say Novel print server? As scary as those words are now, they were very solid. Fast forward 20 years and seeing the junk they have been pushing is completely disheartening. I am pretty sure they were one of the first if not the first company to really bring "Planned obsolescence" to IT. Followed closely by Dell. It is so unbelievable that this can be a company practice, basically treating the customer as a criminal and forcing them to pay outrageous prices for something simple as ink or toner. Toner used to be of much better quality as well. It used to be made up of finely ground pigments, polypropylene dust and iron oxide, zinc and even chromium. Not anymore most of the current stuff has very little or even none of those components except for polyester, wax and silicone. So the markup they are putting on this compound is unbelievable. Not to mention the inkjet nightmares. The customer is not right anymore and products are not made with quality anymore. If they can find a way to get more money out of you, they will do it at any cost to them no matter the outcome or customer dissatisfaction. I used to truly support HP and their products, and even aspired to work for them in the past. Now I wouldn't be caught dead being associated with them let alone "own" one of their products. I haven't checked but I would bet that they alone have caused a huge amount of e-waste in comparison to any of their competitors that states should be charging them extra landfill prices.
lilhotdog@reddit
Printers? You mean the thing that we contract out and don't touch outside of adding it to the print server?
Mindestiny@reddit
This right here is 10000% why you pay the $30 a month for a leased MFD with a service contract. Printer problem? Call those guys and have them send a tech.
hzumbru1@reddit
All this being said HP does make some good computer hardware especially their business lines. Never would recommend an HP printer though.
kissmyash933@reddit
HP is such a terrible company, HPE should call themselves Compaq.
Kwantem@reddit
Yeah. My current HP printer is out of support, and when the last of the toner empties out I am going to go to another brand for a printer/copier/scanner. Any recommendations?
FloppyDorito@reddit
I've been hating on HP since their shitty ass laptops lol. But yeah the printer stuff is just unbelievable how much anti consumerism goes unchecked.
And the sad part is I bet nothing is going to happen to them. No litigation (at least that will be effective), their sales may see a slight slump but they'll probably otherwise be okay because the average consumer doesn't even know the difference between hard drives and RAM.
First-Delay8239@reddit
Have you tried pulling the toner out and rotating it left and right a few times and putting it back in? Laser toner tends to last a long time but occasionally you have to pull it out, move it around, and put it back in.
It’s not a color laser and not technically an HP, although bought by HP shortly after I got it, I’m still using the original black cartridge I got with the printer like 8-10 years ago.
tuvar_hiede@reddit
Fuck HP, they ruin everything.
danielogne@reddit
Like most brands, you pick and choose products. Everyone has negative view on any product.
Been sysadmin at MSP for a while now and use to work for HP back in around 2014 in sales (through 3d party hiring). When instant ink was just being pushed out. More than half their products were good and the other kinda shitty. You learn to stay away from cheap product lines, because as the old saying goes, you get that you pay for. Cheaper printers made most of their money on ink, they lost money on printers, but would earn it back through ink, that’s why they lock the cartridges.
Overall most mid HP products would be consistent and would work well, we rarely have issues and like how hp laserjets will have waste go back into cartridge and drum included so you rarely had to do maintenance. But when something died it died, that’s where if you print a lot, it’s more worth going for more expensive printers as you could get larger cartridges and saved more money in long run and printers last longer.
Most hp printers are you set and forget and usually works if you know how to connect to WiFi and download the driver. If you do print less than 50pages per month, the instant ink program is good. If ink dries out, you call them and they replace for free.
gregsting@reddit
Beside printers they also played that game with laptops. I bought a used one when I was a student. Pretty cheap but the problem is that it had no WiFi. But it had a space for a WiFi card. Would only accept HP cards… super expensive and hard to find. Luckily I found out someone who had a solution. You had to install Linux (or use a live cd) and some guy made a firmware to make intel cards look like HP cards by flashing their firmware.
klove@reddit
I quit buying HP printers a decade ago as the ink was more than a new printer. Kinda surprised it took you this long to figure out about the "genuine" ink issue. As others have stated BROTHER lasers are the way to go. I bought a B&W, wireless, duplex, flatbed & sheetfed printer probably 10 years ago and once the branded XL cartridges ran out I've only used generic ink. My only regret was not spending the extra $100 for color.
LeftLimeLight@reddit
I feel the same and I use to work for HPES.
elmorte11@reddit
I am very happy with my hp monitor..
gregory92024@reddit
I've been recommending Brother printers for several years now.
HP has been awful quality and worse service.
Awesome_Bobsome@reddit
Agreeing with everyone re: Hp printers. But also. Printers. If you've been in IT this long you must acknowledge that printers are a punishment from the universe, in whatever way you believe that manifests, for our IT aura. It balances out.
lugnercity@reddit
HP Printers are outright a Scam on the scale of global mafia
thedanyes@reddit
I don’t get people’s obsession with printing at home in the first place. I spent $140 over the last 12 years on a brand new brother networked mono laser, it’s paper and toner. Still too much and my needs would have even been served by a second hand dot matrix with an old jet direct module.
If you’re (attempting) to do color printing at home I have zero sympathy. Imagine how many prints you would have to do and how little set up/maintenance work in order to EVER break even with something like Walmart printing.
BoredElephantRaiser@reddit
HP printers have been terrible for over a decade now.
Get a Brother monochrome laser and don't look back.
-Darkguy-@reddit
Still running a Brother monochrome laser (HL-5040) I bought in 2003(!!!). Hooked it up to a print server, swapped out toner for aftermarket/refurbed about every 5 years since then. This thing just won't die.
MechanicalTurkish@reddit
Yeah, I have a Dell (rebadged Borther, he’ll yeah) monochrome all-in-one laser printer/scanner/fax. It’s been going strong for years. Cheap 3rd-party toner works great.
sup3rmark@reddit
seriously. why is OP using a color laser printer for address labels and packing slips for a low-income side hustle.
HardestButt0n@reddit
Have been using Brother laser printers for years. Just hauled one to the dump we bought our daughter for college in 2012 that worked for ten solid years.
khelbb@reddit
Their color lasers are good, too.
Revelation_Now@reddit
I used to work for HP. They are one of the most fucked up tech companies on the planet. Their computers are complete dog shit. They are the EA of tech. Ask me about the time they bought a company and broke the moral so hard that all of the execs were on the top of the building threatening to jump.
StraightAct4448@reddit
Ok, I'll bite. Tell us about the time they bought a company and broke the morale so hard that all of the execs were on the top of the building threatening to jump.
garbagepickle@reddit
Well….I’m waiting
StraightAct4448@reddit
Calling it. /u/Revelation_Now is a liar lol
Blackstaff@reddit
Revelation NOW, u/Revelation_Now !
dmsayer@reddit
Yes please
ARobertNotABob@reddit
Is it Compaq's turn again soon?
THEoMADoPROPHET@reddit
That's an incredible journey! Starting with dial-up and moving through all the tech advancements must have been a wild ride. Any memorable projects or challenges you faced along the way?
notHooptieJ@reddit
"HP printer you say?"
"unless its an ancient 4050 series with the jetdirect card, throw it away and buy a brother or a kyocera...."
"if it is a 4050 series, buy another box of toner and a spare fuser for a couple years down the road, it'll need it after the 3.5million page mark"
UltraEngine60@reddit
first time?
the_iron_pepper@reddit
Bro this post is about an HP printer. Why do multiple paragraphs start with:
You are literally giving us your life story bro just tell me what printer you got, why it sucks, and sod off
VirtualDenzel@reddit
You never learned to scroll?
If you moan about this already, i cannot imagine giving you a document for solution implementation
the_iron_pepper@reddit
The difference is I get paid to read documentation that contains important information lol not vain flashbacks to when intune developers were existed dreaming about cloud management platforms
VirtualDenzel@reddit
What a nonsense. You are on reddit. You clicked on the post. Your boss does not pay you to click on random reddit posts.
the_iron_pepper@reddit
Do you normally start whining when one internet stranger makes fun of another internet stranger or you just having a bad day?
bensode@reddit
Wait until you see what HPE does to all of the small products that have the best potential they buy up and let rot.
meepiquitous@reddit
HP has a history of fucking their customers with firmware.
Their bios updates are protected against downgrades. They also decided to stop letting you reset the vPro password with a jumper or by removing the CMOS battery.
So if you buy a used HP on Ebay, you better hope the seller unconfigured the AMT pass, since there's no way to reset it.
Well actually, you might be able to, by swapping the wifi NIC, but I haven't seen this documented anywhere.
Speaking of, if you read Intel's docs, it's clear that this isn't intended by Intel. Other vendors let you reset the password at least somehow.
HP just goes out of their way to be a dick.
Alpha_Majoris@reddit
I still have good memories of my HP Laserjet 6L. I've had it for many years, never had a problem. It died at some point, and then I bought a Brother laserprinter. Much cheaper, never had a problem. That printer is still in use.
jf1450@reddit
I started using HP printers back when the HP LaserJet II was new technology. Not anymore, they long ago ceased to be the company I remember. I think it started with Carly Fiorina and the Compaq purchase.
I use Brother printers now and have no intention of changing my allegiance to them.
sardine_lake@reddit
Took you 25 years? I bought a HP laptop in 2008 & I knew I 1 year never to touch HP again. I don't even buy HP mouse-keyboard since. If it says HP, look for something else
ocrohnahan@reddit
Last HP product I liked was the Laserjet II in the 90s. Refused to use any consumer level HP product since then.
Legitimate_Put_1653@reddit
There’s an old joke about an adult bull, his son and a pasture full of cows that I think applies to the printer market. Some manufacturers (Epson, Brother) have figured out that they can slightly overcharge on consumables and thus keep you as a happy, returning customer for years on end. Others blatantly price gouge for everything they can from you whenever you need something. I wouldn’t deal with HP for printer unless I was doing so on a scale that allowed me to dictate terms for consumables. They are not a home-market friendly customer.
INSPECTOR99@reddit
Vote with your wallets: EXAMPLE: The "K-CUP" restriction fiasco refers to a controversial decision by Keurig Green Mountain, the company behind Keurig coffee makers, to introduce a new version of their machines in 2014 that included a technology aimed at restricting the use of third-party coffee pods. This move sparked a significant backlash from consumers and competitors alike.
Keurig's new machines, marketed as Keurig 2.0, incorporated a digital rights management (DRM) system that could only brew coffee pods with a special ink marker, effectively locking out competitors' and refillable K-Cups. The intention was to force consumers to purchase Keurig-branded pods, which were often more expensive than third-party alternatives.
The backlash was immediate and widespread for several reasons:
Consumer Outrage: Many customers who had been using cheaper, third-party pods or refillable K-Cups felt betrayed by Keurig's decision to limit their options. Some felt the company was prioritizing profits over customer satisfaction.
Environmental Concerns: Refilling pods and using third-party reusable K-Cups had been a way for environmentally-conscious consumers to reduce waste. Keurig's decision made it harder for customers to pursue more sustainable coffee habits.
Drop in Sales: The negative press and consumer dissatisfaction resulted in a significant drop in sales for Keurig. Consumers started looking for alternative coffee machines that allowed more flexibility in pod selection.
Competitor Response: Other coffee pod makers quickly found ways to bypass the DRM system, releasing third-party pods that could be used in Keurig 2.0 machines, making the restriction less effective.
Due to the growing dissatisfaction, Keurig eventually walked back its restrictions and allowed more pod flexibility in subsequent machine models. The "K-CUP" fiasco remains a textbook example of how a company's attempt to exert control over a product ecosystem can backfire if it alienates its customers.
michele-x@reddit
Why one has to buy Keurig coffee machines, where the open specification ESE coffee pods it's superior and has more choice of coffee brands? There are also automatic machines like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-3OQj8Jt9M
I have a manual machine that is a bit more complex to operate, and I could understand that an automatic it's easier to use and stops automatically, has an internal used coffee pod box and it primes automatically, but you spend a bit more and buy an automatic ESE pods machine.
RndmAvngr@reddit
The irony (at least in my coffee snob eyes anyway) of all that fuss over a kinda clever device that makes absolute dogshit coffee.
WWGHIAFTC@reddit
Quick scan, seemed printer related.
Nobody I know has recommended HP for printers in at least 10 years. I haven't used them since the old HP LaserJet 4000's
tas50@reddit
4000s were so well built
Cdscottie@reddit
Well built? They are pure tanks. I have a customer who refuses to replace it and I can't blame them.
sick2880@reddit
Ive got multiple 4000 micr printers still in service. Damn things dim the lights when they print, but never die.
djaybe@reddit
Same. This was actually one of my motivations to automate AP so they don't print checks anymore. Then in a year or two after they've collected enough dust I'm gonna push them out of a window. (The printers, not the AP people.)
3tonjack@reddit
Old job got me a 4050N for printing at home about 15 years ago. I think I will die before this printer.
chandleya@reddit
That’s exactly why they don’t make em like that anymore. They barely survived the mid 00s due to no one needing another printer
djaybe@reddit
I got an old sys admin who is stuck on HP for whatever reason.
I'm like no!
She's like Why???
I'm like Seriously???
michaelpaoli@reddit
That's why I don't let HP push unsolicited updates, e.g. to my printer. It works, I don't want 'em to fsck it up. And that applies at least double, if not triple, for equipment that's no longer under warranty. Yes, my 10+ year old printer works perfectly fine. I don't want HP to fsck that up.
Uhm, ... maybe I'll read the rest of your novella some other day ... yeah, probably not.
architectofinsanity@reddit
The entire consumer and business sides are shit. Very customer unfriendly.
Millkstake@reddit
I usually just point people to similar offerings from companies like Acer and the like. I've had or worked on problematic machines from Dell and Lenovo as well. Hell, I've seen Lenovo push out faulty bios updates that brick laptops. Everything is trash anymore lol
SuggestionNo9323@reddit
Canon lasers are pretty good. :-)
karafili@reddit
BROTHER printers/MFCs for brothers
Pr1ebe@reddit
For telework kits, words cannot describe how much I hate the HP Aruba routers compared to our Cisco 1101s. The TLS recerts alone, the SOP I made for the 1101s is 23 steps, the Aruba is 52.
ImUrFrand@reddit
i have an old brother laser printer, i've never had to replace the ink, even though i bought an extra cartridge at the time this printer was given to me.... its been more than 15 years now.
540i6@reddit
I think I'm banned from HP CSDP rn for editing the html to get past a button that wasn't working... probably intentionally. Their fault for securing their site on the front end code lol. They can't even properly answer a ticket for a partner that can't access services, so gotta do what I gotta do.
_azulinho_@reddit
I have a hp laserjet 4050tn probably replaced the toner 3 or 4 times.
About 26 years old?
We were running HP-UX back then
almost_not_terrible@reddit
Broadcom side-eyes HP and gives it the thumbs-up.
Fimeg@reddit
Partially Unrelated, but at my work we have two models of HP towers that REFUSE to "REBOOT" when a 6TB Western Digital or Seagate external drive is plugged in via USB. We've been shipped replacements, have open tickets, but they're also releasing completely broken for basic functionality machines.
Windows-Helper@reddit
That's why I still have two LJ4100
Upgraded RAM, duplexer and each has now two trays
Also network cards.
They are 20 years old and will survive the next 20!
insanemal@reddit
Just to be clear HP =/= HPE
Printers are shit. Servers are pretty good.
lamarovski@reddit
*Insert "your first time ?" Meme here*
HP Products for Consumers are the worst in every aspect. Software, Build quality of hardware, sustainability, Cost on Maintaining the system ...
netspherecyborg@reddit
Not sure why a well estabilished sauce company would f over their customers like this. I mean the HP sauce has 0 issues except that it has some exotic taste, however when we look at the HP electronic devices they went completely R word. I am still a proud HP sauce user but i wouldnt touch their electronics.
NoValueHere@reddit
Thank you for sharing your story.
I will never buy another HP product and replace my printer with another brand as soon as the toner runs out.
Spiritual_Brick5346@reddit
The best printer is one that is managed by someone else, no seriously. They will pay through the roof for this service, but the problems and service rely on the vendor.
Contracts run into the millions if your org is large enough.
biztactix@reddit
Server drivers...
slevin___kelevra@reddit
Hp printers is crap. Facts
turbo2world@reddit
Digital back in the day was king, nobody has been that reliable since they got bought out... except apple.
b1be05@reddit
we use this https://epson.com/ecotank-black-and-white-printers 3170 at work.. printed 100000+pages changed twice some cartridge on the back (cheap under 100$) and the refill? breeze, only use original ink, we bought 10-15bottles in bulk.. can not say, costwise vs hp/xerox/samsung .. how much it is, but at least 50% cheaper, tending to 25%.
CubesTheGamer@reddit
I bought an HP Color MFP 281fdw for home use, my wife is a teacher so she prints a ton if she has like an assignment or something that she didn’t have time to get to the district print shop. 150 copies several times a year, we usually replace 202X cartridges like once every year or two.
We tried cheap cartridges once and got unlucky. Magenta exploded on the transfer belt. As a prior tech I knew what had to be done (throw it away) but was too poor to do it so I cleaned it and trucked along.
It’s like 5 years old now I think and still running fine. The rollers probably need replaced or greased because it’s squealing / crying but I’ll wait until something stops working. I’ll probably just get a Brother Color MFP once this thing dies because I don’t trust HP not to scam me every chance possible.
Old_Acanthaceae5198@reddit
HP printers are garbage. Their laptops are fine though. We have about 300 in circulation mostly without issues.
Seiak@reddit
Back when I worked in computer repair, HP stood for Heap of Poo
HerbertRTarlekJr@reddit
My Brother laser printer has worked flawlessly for four years. My HP laptop, on the other hand...
Never again.
https://ibb.co/QKMLpDK
PrintMaher@reddit
That's why I have a job,..
U all "It specialists" doesn't have a clue about printers and how to deploy and manage and then you rant. Clj3600 was a super printer, M454 is not even in same category, you should shop for 5xxx series. M454 doesn't know to dislodge color drums when print only BW so toners are used u print in color or not (by used I mean that Drum is using not toner, and drum has also limits) 5xx series or a owe does know how to dislodge drums and also toner cartridge is price per print for almost 75% cheaper.
Printers, MFP is a computer with options of print, scan, copy ets and device needs to be treated before connecting to network environment as a computer, needs to be predeployed,... I BET all IT guys when are connecting a new computer to company network, original SW is wiped and fresh windows install is made and set up according to security company policy.
Printers should be treated same but printers/mfps are for IT specialist pain in the ass, something it has to be but nobody bothers,...
That's why I have a job...
BigPhilip@reddit
It only took you 25 years?
CrackCrackPop@reddit
I'm using a decades old hp1320. during its time hp was reliable and repairable in the business sector.
it's a serial interface printer which should tell you about it's age. interfaced by a jet direct box. just keeps on working
Burnerd2023@reddit
Have had ZERO issues with HP LaserJet Pro series printers. Have one at home and recommend them for all the medical and dental clinics we manage. Occasionally we have one that will come in with some firmware problems and support with RMA instantly or if the customer/client doesn’t want HP after issues, we go with Brother. But this is rare. Again this is only the LaserJet Pro series/line. Can’t speak for others. Have also had zero issues with aftermarket/non-HP toner/carts.
At first I thought this was about HP computers. Which Inhave also had zero issues with from laptops to servers to thin clients.
Makes me wonder if some parts of the country get batches from a different plant or something 🤷♂️idk.
iNfzx@reddit
you could just type "HP fucking sucks" and 99.99% of this sub would agree because you know water is usually wet :)
cheapb98@reddit
I've been avoiding hp just for this. Don't trust them
SAL10000@reddit
I always heard HP stood for 'horrible product'
Tulpen20@reddit
Highly Priced
DarthtacoX@reddit
Nah. Love my hp computer.
MightyMackinac@reddit
HP can fuck right off with a sand crusted dildo.
Brother will be my go-to printer until they ban printer paper for environmental reasons.
flimspringfield@reddit
I dunno, my HP switches came with lifetime warranty (before Aruba bought them out).
That being said, I have never had issues with HP/Aruba switches.
Daphoid@reddit
Inkjet printers are silly unless you actually print photos a lot. HP is silly for this.
That said, their laptops are decent as are their desktops and network switches.
xzer@reddit
Sorry to not get through all your text but through emotion printing has become a scam. Only ""fools"" print. And fools must pay. It's unfortunate but being part of any printer support at this point is profiting as a clown in clown business.
TheDunadan29@reddit
I had a chance to pick up an HP laser printer or a Brother laser printer when an office location I worked IT shut down. The HP was probably the nicer printer all around. But both were close to the same feature wise. And I would also acquire all the left over toner with either choice. However I had enough foresight to look up the cost of the toner for future reference and oh boy, the Brother toner was significantly cheaper.
I took the Brother home.
As far as HP in their other product categories, I've had a number of HP PCs, and granted they were consumer PCs, but the quality was just so cheap, I decided never again.
Since then I became a Sysadmin working for an MSP, and I've worked with every major brand. This is how I rank them.
Lenovo Business PCs (Think line machines). They are so easy to work with, deploy, re-image, troubleshoot, repair, and I've had excellent experience with their warranty repairs. Their ThinkPad line is just really solid, and it sold me on business laptops. Their hardware, software, BIOS, are all just reliable and easy to use.
Dell Business PCs. Their lineup is confusing, and I don't feel they are as good as Lenovo. But if I had to pick anyone but lenovo, Dell would be my next go to. Their hardware is solid. Their software is also pretty good. They have some weird stuff around boot, and re-imaging is a PITA since they use that Intel management stuff, so you have to load the dumb driver just to see the disk. But gripes aside, they are still pretty good.
HP Business. Well, I wouldn't choose them. But if I had to support them they at least have a business line, and from what I can tell they are alright. The software is less impressive, but it's there. They model lineup is slightly less confusing than Dell. Their built in AV stuff can be annoying in Enterprise environments where you already have endpoint protection, so I just have to turn it off. I still feel like Dell and Lenovo are a step up overall.
Asus, Acer, LG, Samsung. They make some decent hardware, but it's very consumer focused. I've also seen some weird quality issues. Would not recommend for business. Maybe ok for consumers. They lack business quality, like magnesium chassis, or reinforced hinges, things that will make it stand up to abuse. There's less focus on business friendly device wiping, re-imaging, advanced diagnostics. RMA is kind of an over the place. It's less easy to track serials online. Cases are generally not meant to open, so troubleshooting and repairs are more difficult. Support software is inconsistent to non-existent. To be fair, you'll get about the same experience with Lenovo, Dell, and HP consumer grade hardware. Which is why I wouldn't recommend their consumer lines either. But I know because of their Enterprise stuff, their consumer stuff is already better supported out of the box.
Once you get into servers and networking equipment it's a whole other thing. But generally the Dell, HP, and Lenovo servers I've used have all been pretty solid.
hceuterpe@reddit
This reminds me of the refiling of the Canon CLI-42 Yellow cartridges (yes for some reason only the yellow, the other seven cartridges were fine). The yellow ink would somehow leave this substance behind, and causing it to gel up in the sponge.
That triggered severe ink flow problems for the yellow and printhead clogs that likely would burnout the printhead, killing it. Canon print heads were designed to be permanent (vs a disposable printhead in the cartridge), and having to replace one could get very pricey.
This really felt like a horribly insidious scheme to deter more affordable options vs buying their expensive cartridges. This was the last straw in my use of inkjet printers and made me go laser only.
jbirdkerr@reddit
An HP desktop created hassle for my grandma 20+ years ago and I've never forgotten it. HP is persona non grata in this household.
ZeroSkribe@reddit
Your new
OpionatedEccentric@reddit
Summary:
The author, an IT professional, shares their frustrating experience with an HP Color LaserJet printer. After years of positive experiences with HP products, they encountered significant issues with their current printer, which they've owned for 2-3 years. Initially satisfied with the printer's performance, they were shocked when it ran out of toner quickly and were further frustrated by the high cost of replacement cartridges ($676). Choosing to buy aftermarket toner due to concerns about HP's pricing practices, the printer worked fine until a firmware update in July 2024 rendered some of the aftermarket toners unusable, making the printer refuse to print.
The author is upset about HP's anti-consumer practices, particularly how the firmware update prevents the use of non-genuine supplies, which they see as hostile. They express their support for consumer rights, right to repair, and fair market practices. This situation has disrupted their small side business, where they use the printer to produce labels for their eBay sales, severely impacting their ability to operate. As a result, they vow never to buy HP products again and encourage others to avoid the brand due to its manipulative tactics.
Pretend-Raisin-6868@reddit
That's an awful lot of words to say that your HP printer did an automatic update and now it won't take aftermarket cartridges. That said, I think DRM for printer cartridges is rediculous.
I recently bought a Laserjet (don't remember the model printer) for one of our HR folks. The new HP software utility (the name escapes me), would only detect the printer on the same subnet. The printer was Wifi only, and our user was on a cabled connection and we segment our Wifi with a separate IP scope. The user would drop connection every time they undocked their laptop and came back and could not locate the printer.
I, too, come from old school IT where HP was best-in-class for printing. I wouldn't recommend or own anything else. Hell, I had several Laserjet 4 printers in one of my previous jobs. The things were TANKS. The 4050n, 4100n, were close cousins.
I've come to the same conclusion, that HP is not the gold standard that it once was. Printing is not as widespread as it used to be either, with the ability to print everything to PDF or other electronic formats. When printing hard copy is necessary, the new Konica MFPs seem to be solid, if you can get people to get out of their chair to walk to the printer to get it. But, I digress and that's a topic for another thread....
omnichad@reddit
This isn't your point but if it's relying on multicast broadcasts to be detected, just forward them to the other segment.
iama_bad_person@reddit
We only use Brother and Xerox printers because HP have a history of being shit. HP switches, laptops, desktops, and docks though? We will keep using those, we have had very little problems.
hennyV@reddit
HP has always seemed like a cheap brand to me, similar in the vein of Best Buy's Insignia, or Gateway computers of the 90s. Glad I never bothered with them.
spamonkeys_nick@reddit
Brother is good. Solid Linux support.
Awavian@reddit
Yeah I'm not a fan of HP printers. I got a Brother inkjet this year which claims it allows any ink. If you're going the professional route, I've had good experiences at work with Kyocera and Brother
akrobert@reddit
This should actually be against the law to push updates that change what your devices are able to do. No one would tolerate it if Dell or Hp pushed a firmware update that made it so only darkstar hard drives worked with their computer hardware
uwishyouhad12@reddit
Great servers, not a fan of their PC's and you couldn't pay me to take one of their printers. Used to be the gold standard of printing but that went to #ell. I push other brands for printers whenever possible. But it's our first choice for servers.
landob@reddit
I feel like a minority. I've had 0 problems with HP printers over the years.
Except their inkjets. I don't care for their inkjets. All my other HPs are lasers and problem free.
Acerino@reddit
I didn't read your rant, and I am sorry you had issues, but as soon as I saw the words rant and HP I up voted your post, and it's very hard for me to stay politically correct but HP is in the lowest part of my list of brands to buy from.
livevicarious@reddit
I actually started liking the HP EliteDesk mini PC's till they started having major issues with video out and other performance issues. VERY picky on RAM, I have since moved users to Lenovo X1 Carbons - These have been honestly fantastic and so far most users have really enjoyed them. We still run a few HP Laserjets and can confirm not only are they fucking dog shit and BREAK constantly but the toner is just unreasonably overpriced.
ClassicDistance@reddit
My experience with HP is limited to Officejet multifunction machines. Their support for Linux through the HPLIP package is helpful. I have no real complaint about their operation, although one failed when it was several years old.
quickjump@reddit
Damn, I just received my hp today.
IAmTheShitRedditSays@reddit
We went with HP because it was the cheapest large-format. It regularly shits the bed about once every 4-5 months and is just generally a pain in the ass.
It has: failed to recognize any paper put in the multi-sheet tray so many times I've lost count; failed to acknowledge the ink cartridges after waking up a dozen times; sprayed ink all over its insides more than once. And that's not including the givens: jams and printhead issues.
God forbid the driver updates: it'll reset all the settings and fuck it up for everyone again until I can find the magic setting that now secretly controls the hidden "print the page in the correct orientation at the right scale" feature.
HP customer service is an oxymoron: forget "have you tried turning it off and on again," now their script is "have you tried just living with the problem?"
I won't recommend Epson or Canon due to racketeering, but I sure as hell won't recommend HP for the same reason and so much more.
xored-specialist@reddit
A Brother printer. I got one that's years old, and it just keeps printing. You can catch them on sale for cheap and they are simple and good.
KudzooKazoo@reddit
HP lasers are ok, but the ink jets are trash.
reddit-lou@reddit
I decided to go anti hp right about 25 years ago. I got tired of dealing with the proprietary bs they built into their machines, trying to help my mom and anyone else with their PCs.
Commence with the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
technofiend@reddit
Just as an aside: I like my DL360s but hate HPs non-existent support for home labbers. I'm not spending more on a support contract than I did for the server so I can flash the bios and keep my system secure, HP.
Mr_Engineering@reddit
HP Enterprise is a completely different business division from HP Consumer products.
HP Enteprise hardware is damn near indestructible. A couple of hundred years from now, in the wake of a nuclear apocalypse, someone will stumble upon a derelict office building with a server room full of Dl380s happily humming along as if nothing had happenes
bbushky90@reddit
In college I had an HP laptop. 2 days after the warranty expired the cpu caught on fire and roasted the entire mobo. Literal scorch marks inches away from the epicenter. Never again HP
rtype_eman@reddit
i came up with a rule that ive stuck to for years now: if you ask my recommendations and then fail to heed them, i refuse to help you at all.
after all, why did you even ask if you dont respect my viewpoint on things?
goblin-socket@reddit
HERE FUCKING HERE!!!!! Hey, let's make sure your printer is connected to the internet and that you subscribe before you can print. Hey, you wanna buy a laptop? Well, we hid all the screws underneath these useless rubber feet that you must surgerically remove and replace or throw them away if you ever want to add RAM.
This company is the hottest fucking garbage of any tech company I can think of. They literally do everything to shit on their customers to charge them more for such a privelage of such shit.
NEVER BUY ANYTHING HP, ever. Ever. Ever.
Alarmed_Contract4418@reddit
I've been seeing HPs that won't let you scan without getting an HP account. Then they discontinued the HP Print and Capture app which had been my workaround for that. I had been hesitant to recommend HP for a while because the general quality has been dropping for years. Then they started chipping the cartridges. Now holding functions hostage unless you sign over your soul. I am actively boycotting all of HP at this point. Their computers are just full of garbage too.
I recommend Kyocera first, then Brother for the smaller offices that want to keep costs minimal, although I just got a B&W desktop Kyocera MFP laser printer for $200, so yeah.
HP literally lived long enough to see itself become the villain. Sad days.
wild-hectare@reddit
what took you so long?
TechFreedom808@reddit
I have OpnSense as a firewall and I put in a firewall rule to block Internet access to the HP printer. It can only communicate on the LAN but not outside of that. This blocks any firmware updates. Yes, updates actually break things like ink refill from a 3rd party.
chopsui101@reddit
bit late to the party.....
stonecats@reddit
TL;DR
i stopped advocating HP printers when i learned they no longer allowed 3rd party consumables.
i stopped advocating HP consumer notebooks when i saw how hard they make it - to get one fixed.
as for software/hardware auto updating, as i consumer i disable as much of it as i possibly can.
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
DrMp3z@reddit
I don't understand all the complaining. Just buy HP Enterprise printers, install the universal printer drivers, and set up scan-to-email. Simple.
immortalsteve@reddit
I have made it a mission to ensure my org doesn't buy their shit. They are the gacha game of the IT world.
amensista@reddit
Same here. Saw my ex bought our son a laptop for school. I was an HP. I mean I work in the field - come ask me.. but no. HP. fuck that. garbage. remember kids - NEVER DO HP.
MajorAd8794@reddit
Wrong sub, not that your point isn’t valid, just preaching to the wrong congregation rn
jowhojomama@reddit
What took you so long?
scruffyminds@reddit
i feel like their pcs and laptops are still relatively okay for the average consumer. I wouldn't touch another hp printer with somebody else's 10 foot pole though lol. I've had really good luck with Brother although I don't do color prints anymore
Ciderhero@reddit
I have handled many vendors with many products. I honestly do not know how HP manages to be a big player in any space other than networking.
Their networking division is exemplary. They honour their support, will send replacements in 4 hours, and are amazing in their advice. Oh, and 3PAR was a great product too, same support and advice. LeftHand, not so much, but not their fault.
HP servers, desktops, and laptops are absolute dogshit. When I stepped into my current company, they were handing out G8 25X laptops which were poor as fuck. I actually benchmarked a comparable Dell laptop (3520) against a G8 255 which were the same price, and the Dell did not even stutter, where the HP was unresponsive.
HP operate like they have enough big contracts to treat all other verticals as a means to keep them relevant as a brand, nothing more. I would not recommend them for critical services or business machines at all.
sixothree@reddit
Right to repair is so contrary to power of the market. Your belief in the market is unsupported by experience.
rcp9ty@reddit
My work place bought an HP printer just so it would just work no fuss... 6 months later it refused to print because it wasn't hooked to the internet. At which point I tagged HP in all my social media accounts and said they have lost my business for the rest of eternity.
isaakybd@reddit
Friends don't let friends buy Hewlett Packard
baw3000@reddit
I've never liked HP, but their server line is fine.
Dell is quickly working itself towards the same place in my heart.
andyniemi@reddit
You are about 20 years late to the party, but better late than never I guess.
DNA1727@reddit
Took you this long to stop using/recommending HP?
Space-Boy@reddit
back in the day I would refill printers with the refill kits and little cartridge flash/reset module
m00ph@reddit
We have laws about this stuff for a reason, I'm glad we are starting to enforce them again under Biden and Lina Kahn, though it may take a while to get to printers.
tagoona@reddit
A
BatteryChucker@reddit
I'm pretty sure HP's printer driver installations cause brain damage. Maybe some cancer too.
Quigleythegreat@reddit
I avoid buying their printers for obvious reasons, but as a small business HPs pricing is much better for us. Finance adamantly refuses to let us bulk order, say anything more than like 10 machines at a time. Dell reps and ever our VAR can't really cut us a break at our volume. Our HP rep is happy to quote us anything anytime and routinely beats dell by hundreds of dollars a machine.
My wife and I both run HP laptops personally and they've always been good to us.
Flameancer@reddit
HP used to be my top brand even over dell. But the way they have been especially with printers I can’t recommend any of them.
gosubuilder@reddit
Recently my HP printer stopped working complaining about counterfeit ink or some nonsense.
The ridiculous part is they are actual genuine cartridges I bought at staples.
At this point I got fed up and never plan on buying HP PRODUCT again.
I heard good things from a coworker about brothers laser printer so planning on picking one up.
sevenfiftynorth@reddit
Sorry, OP, but as an IT person with 30 years of experience, I would never, ever use a 3rd-party printer cartridge. Saving a few bucks isn't worth the headaches it causes. As far as I'm concerned, this story is entirely a you problem, and not an HP problem.
elephantLYFE-games@reddit
*HP dv3000 (2008) Never Forget. It was so bad it had a class action lawsuit.
kissmyash933@reddit
wow, I wanted to forget that. Not only was it the worst laptop ever made, they were also a complete bitch to work on. All of the dv line was pure shit.
elephantLYFE-games@reddit
I owned one, my first modern PC purchase at the time :( it’s the #1 factor I bought a MAC (my late 2011 MacBook still works, and is easily serviceable. )
Eisenstein@reddit
Mac is short for Macintosh, it is not an acronym in this case and does not have to be capitalized. MAC is a different thing entirely, but from the context I assume you aren't talking about media access control.
elephantLYFE-games@reddit
No to clarify, I am not referring to the Media Access Control number assigned to my NIC, not a McDonalds Big MAC, nor the pasta part of the dish MAC n Cheese. (;
Eisenstein@reddit
I have never seen anyone write Big MAC or MAC and Cheese.
elephantLYFE-games@reddit
Big NIC n’ Cheese Macintosh
GoodTofuFriday@reddit
I worked easy tech in 2010ish? about half the laptops that were in for repair were hp laptops, and not because of windows issues.
elephantLYFE-games@reddit
Windows Vista didn’t help the cause. 🤣
CptBronzeBalls@reddit
Laserjet 4 was the last good hp product I owned.
AHrubik@reddit
It was till it wasn't. I had one printing 50,000 pages a month it got so hot once that it warped it's own frame. HP gave me a new one though so it's all good.
red286@reddit
You were printing 250% of its rated duty cycle, what did you think was going to happen?
AHrubik@reddit
Generally speaking it was the replaceable parts those old printers used that had a max page rating. We changed more often than was recommended to keep up with demand.
red286@reddit
You're mixing the recommended cycle (for consumables) and the maximum cycle (for the engine). You can exceed the recommended cycle all you want, it just means you're paying more per page than you would be if you had a better printer. The maximum cycle though is the point at which you start damaging the printer due to overheating.
The LaserJet 4 had a recommended cycle of 5000 pages per month and a maximum cycle of 20,000 pages per month.
NYCmob79@reddit
Took you 25 years??? I already hated Compaq, when it was bought out by HP... hate transfered to HP as their crap turned into Compaq crap.
Leisure_Muffin@reddit
tl;dr
FliesLikeABrick@reddit (OP)
It's literally at the top of the post.
Leisure_Muffin@reddit
tl;dr
rdldr1@reddit
Yes its a hard fall from grace. HP used to make the best printers. Now they view printers as a subscription service and squeeze their customers.
You live and learn. HP never again.
zazbar@reddit
I remember in dialup days having to download a 300m driver for a cheap printer, fuck hp.
Blueberry314E-2@reddit
We use the HP Enterprise m406 series for desktop/cheque printers and the larger HP Enterprise Flow MFCs for floorstabding shared printers. Never had any issues after many years. The problem is HP also makes retail crap so you really have to be diligent about which models you're buying this is true for all printer manufactures except maybe Xerox and Brother.
AHrubik@reddit
This. HPE servers are still some of the best made in the industry.
red286@reddit
Entirely different companies now. Zero connection between them other than history and name.
therankin@reddit
I run an IT department, and was pissed about the hp genuine thing (we're an almost fully hp shop for smaller printers.. About 40 of them). After the kerfuffle, I bought a brother for a team and I'm really not happy with that either.
I think that most sysadmins would agree, all printing absolutely sucks. It's one of my least favorite things to support. There are so many random problems some users experience while most others don't at all.
Bleh.
Zeddie-@reddit
Consumer printers just seem to be one of those things that are just not going to last as a new product.
Bought one of those Epson tank printers. The premise sounds great, but when the ink dries up and clogs the print heads, it's not easy to clean and get working again.
At this point, I'm not even sure what printer to get if I ever need to look for one. It would have to be laser (ink doesn't dry/clog), and it needs to be compatible with Linux.
hosalabad@reddit
Wow I thought there was a character limit.
therankin@reddit
Hey hey hey.. All characters matter.. 😜
james28909@reddit
Phuck hp
Ok_Analysis_3454@reddit
9/10 solid rant. did the HP thing, then they went to chips in the cartridges. ok, swap the chip too. then they started gluing the chips in. ok, cut them out with a pair of duckbill pliers then file the backs down on an emery board fingernail file. cat and mouse game.
KiwiLad-NZ@reddit
Can't believe I read this junk. This ain't a rant. This is a novel over nothing.
TLDR, HP, autoupdared the poor souls printer, which prevents 3rd party toners to then be used. Waaaah.
They've done that for a long time, nothing new.
kester76a@reddit
Pretty sure there's a setting to disable the security check on the toner cartridge. https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/ish_4951939-3156356-16
krodders@reddit
So, can we put you down as a "maybe"?
robbzilla@reddit
I went from 100% HP fanboy (in the 90s) to #1 HP hater. There's no way I'd ever consider their printers, and for lasers, always, and I mean ALWAYS push people toward Brother printers. I don't buy new HP laptops, although I might pick up a laptop cheap to play with. (Like the $20 laptop I bought at an estate sale last weekend)
They're the epitome of asshole design at this point, and I wouldn't shed a tear if they went out of business.
LebronBackinCLE@reddit
Fuck HP and everything they have to do with. One of the worst companies on the planet
SuperSiayuan@reddit
I remember HPs CEO talking about this and how they did it to protect the consumer from malware built into the aftermarket cartridges or something
I don't think the cartridges even NEED a chip on them, right?
Once I heard about that, I stopped buying their printers across our 3 offices, went with Lexmark instead. I won't buy anything HP until they're at least transparent about their motivations there, or they back peddle.
Dr_Drizzle@reddit
Agree 100%
Steebo_Jack@reddit
I hope our HP 4000 laserjet series never dies...ive accummulated about 2 years worth of toner and various parts to fix it and if worse comes to worse ill try to find a used one...
thecrazedlog@reddit
I rate the 4000 series. 4050, 4100, 4250, p4015, they are all tanks. I've had all of those in a personal capacity (ex work) and they're great.
That being said, bought mum a brother printer for like $150 AUD and its fantastic.
kissmyash933@reddit
The 4000’s are unkillable, they’re right next to the LJ III/4/5 in reliability. It’s all the pro’s of the old LJ’s but they’re fast, and parts are cheap. I occasionally still have people purchase them. You’ll never be able to get rid of that machine.
Das_Rote_Han@reddit
I bought a Samsung laser printer around 10 years ago. Great printer. Needed parts after a lightning strike and find that HP bought their printer division and parts were no longer available. Had to fund a junk one off eBay. Printer still works today. Will by Brother next when this one dies for good.
Kylearean@reddit
Summary: The user shares a detailed rant about HP's anti-consumer practices related to printers. After years of loyalty to HP printers, they express frustration over HP's firmware updates that block aftermarket toner cartridges. The user believes in the right to repair and fair market practices, but feels deceived by HP’s business model, which now limits the use of non-genuine supplies. After spending significant money on a printer and toner, they now see the product as worthless and vow to never buy HP products again, urging others to do the same.
fnordhole@reddit
I am still running a consumer grade HP 932c as a home inkjet printer after 20 years. I use it for black only, and sparingly.
I hope it never dies. I don't want to have to have a user account to subscribe to something to use my ink.
Jabo2179@reddit
Been going round and round with HP Support over a Dock we were considering buying for our architectural Office. We've replaced motherboards, changed to different firmware, and changed Monitors.
mrbnlkld@reddit
I found a Samsung laser printer at a garage sale that I'd go back into a burning building to rescue, but I wouldn't buy a new Samsung television if Samsung paid me.
CharcoalGreyWolf@reddit
You’re late to the party. HP hasn’t been a worthwhile solution in a decade.
Servers and switches, maybe. Nothing else.
Cosmonaut_K@reddit
HP has been form over function for about 25 years, IMO
sammytheskyraffe@reddit
And what are your suggestions to these people? Dell? Acer?
alestrix@reddit
Wait until you meet Oracle!
Big_Comparison2849@reddit
Same, but I save all the bad components like batteries and overhearing boards for later use in the equipment of people that I don’t like.
witterquick@reddit
We have about 200 HP printers of various models across our estate. As soon as we hit the next hardware refresh cycle, we're likely going to move away from HP to Brother. The bloatware and the convoluted install process, as well as "HP Smart" is what's pushing me
anonymousITCoward@reddit
That's a huge wall of text that I'm not going to read.... but I'll say this, if I won't buy it for the office, it's likely that I won't buy it for home
King_Contra@reddit
alrighty
PNWSoccerFan@reddit
Damn, that was a lot of words I didn't read.
RCG73@reddit
TLDR version: fuck HP
zjbrickbrick@reddit
Quite honestly that's all OP needed to type.
PNWSoccerFan@reddit
Was going to comment that, but I didn't read it, so I couldn't summarize it.... but yeah, I had a feeling it was something along the liens of that! :D lol
illicITparameters@reddit
I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve said that in my career….
none-1398@reddit
Too much work
Rocknbob69@reddit
Not purchasing any longer for corporate use. Any or these soho desktop printers from any manufacturer will ever sit on a desk in the office. Departmental printers that I do not have to maintain and people can get off their asses and walk to a printer 10 feet away.
dingerz@reddit
Looked like a lot of text, so I ctrl+f'd for "printer" and posted this to save the whole world who ain't got the time another epic HP+Printer saga in 126 cantos
Select-Table-5479@reddit
They want you to create an account so they can sell your information to advertisers to make profit off of you and your cookies. It's that simple.
mrkokkinos@reddit
Ran it through ChatGPT to give me a TL;DR: "An IT pro is frustrated after an HP firmware update made their printer reject aftermarket toner cartridges, rendering their printer useless. They feel HP’s tactics are anti-consumer and vow never to buy or recommend HP products again."
... that's it? Chill man, when life throws you a curveball, make lemonade! 🤪
Select-Table-5479@reddit
TLDR; vote with your wallet. Never buy em again. This is what is going to happen as HP "engineers" their way out of the printer market. Like all corporations ever, money is more important than ANYTHING else. You won't change that but millions of people who stop purchasing their subscription drm will.
breenisgreen@reddit
It took you 25 years to figure this out?
getoutofthecity@reddit
At home I hardly ever need to print anything. After wasting enough money with inkjet brands that dry up/clog between prints, I got a monochrome HP laserjet for like $60 and it’s worked for several years. Again I have very few print needs so that probably makes a big difference.
My last company gave everyone their own color laserjets and for the most part they were fine, although I agree printers aren’t the workhorses they used to be, and that’s unfortunate. We used a local company for support and toner, not HP directly.
mcnos@reddit
HP laptops are the largest pieces of shits I’ve had no pleasure to work with
Redditbecamefacebook@reddit
Wow. A TL;DR is supposed to summarize things. You need to do that in both the tl;dr and in the main body of the post. You aren't an interesting writer.
work_blocked_destiny@reddit
HP is garbage imo. Laptops, printers everything. Only laptop brands I’ll buy for work are dell or Lenovo and for printers literally anything else, mainly cannon and brother
zeeblefritz@reddit
My Brother B&W laser is great, got it from their site refurbished(brand new) for $99 during the height of the WFH push when everything was unavailable or overpriced(gouged). Would recommend.
Doublestack00@reddit
HP business class laptops are great.
HP printers are dog shit.
OutsidePerson5@reddit
Welcome to the club sibling!
HP has been terrible for quite a while now but I think a lot of people, like you, had the old high quality HP equipment and since you hadn't been dealing with the new products probably thought the rants about HP were exaggerated if not outright hyperbolic.
So welcome! We should probably make a badge or a secret handshake or something, the Association of IT Workers Burned by HP.
Own-Bus-3188@reddit
Oof at people who say "just work"
Professional_Chart68@reddit
Hp small printers and small mfa - working, hp laptops - working. Dunno bout other stuff, we have most large mfa from canon.
SceneDifferent1041@reddit
you write all that because your printer updated? You maybe want to be treated for super autism.
johnnybinator@reddit
So what’s the workhorse printer now? I don’t like HO’s practices either, but I can tell you they used to make a reliable printer.
ispland@reddit
For home & SMB Brother has proven quite decent. For higher capacity printers & copiers Kyocera is decent. Ricoh was also good, can't confirm for current product line.
systonia_@reddit
Toner and especially Ink is a big fucking scam. Consumer printers are at a point of being criminal
zakabog@reddit
Toner seems to last forever and is way cheaper than ink.
Refilling the cartridges on my Pixma Pro 100 costs a small fortune. My wife's Brother laser printer is still using the same toner cartridge it came with and we use that a lot.
_sweepy@reddit
Ink is plenty cheap. You can buy 3-4 complete cartridge refills for about $20 and they usually come with the needle required to do the filling. I was 8 when it became one of my household chores to inject ink into the cartridges as needed. Seriously, it's so easy that a child can do it. Never understood why people actually buy new cartridges, even before the DRM chips were added.
zakabog@reddit
Just do a quick Google search for the inkjet printer I have.
I am not buying cheap 3rd party ink for my use case...
_sweepy@reddit
Then why are you complaining about the price of ink? You're comparing a Vespa to a Ferrari and complaining about the price of high octane fuel.
zakabog@reddit
I'm not, I'm saying toner is so much cheaper than ink and it lasts so much longer. Ink is certainly a scam as you cannot just buy the ink in bulk and load it up in your printer unless you are buying a large format printer with ink tanks, and it dries up so quickly, but toner is absolutely worth the money given how many prints come out of a toner cartridge and how it can last pretty much indefinitely even without regular use.
ImpossibleParfait@reddit
For my house I buy the cheapest one at bjs or Costco for 30 dollars and buy the cheapest shit ink off of Amazon and just buy a new one when it breaks. Typically get a few years out of them at least and I print a lot more then I think most home people do.
JazzlikeSurround6612@reddit
Facts.
dustojnikhummer@reddit
TLDR: Printers suck, HP sucks the most.
We run exclusively HP laptops and servers and are pretty happy with them. Are they faultless? No, but neither were the Dells we used to mix with. On the other hand HP gives us 3 year warranty, Lenovo and Dell are 1.
For printer, just go Brother man, why would you go anything less. And fuck inkjets!
Krinkk@reddit
Also generally happy with hp notebooks at work. I've heard that Notebook + tb docks of other manufacturers are just as shitty so...I kind of stopped bothering switching to anything else. Their elitebooks are decent, too.
GrayCalf@reddit
I think you're nearly 15 years late on this one. HP was going down hill a long time ago.
By the way, my twin Brother MFC-9970CDWs are 12 this year. Basically half my career. And they both work great.
Kritchsgau@reddit
I will always recommend hp in terms of probooks and elitebooks and the elitedesks. Other products not so much.
JakobSejer@reddit
40% of 200 laptops had swollen batteries after 6 months. (That's was 5 years ago) . Our older fujitsus were better.
madeInNY@reddit
I support your decision. However sometimes you can do worse than HP. So I never say never.
horus-heresy@reddit
2k a year in sales, not worth it
ringzero-@reddit
The stopping point w HP for me was when they started putting firmware updates to servers behind a paywall.
I also don't like their service manuals. I remember taking apart a laptop and their service manual was referring to screws that didn't exist. Turns out that service manual covered a WHOLE line of different HP laptops. What was even the point of putting that service manual out.
moon6080@reddit
I bought a HP printer once for production to print device certificates out on. Was brilliant and used next to no toner. My colleague went to buy one and bought the 'e' variant. We found out it literally couldn't be used without having a HP account linked to it. It's now a £120 paperweight
stromm@reddit
I stopped recommending HP back in the early 2000s. It amazes me how long it’s taken everyone else to get there.
GoodTofuFriday@reddit
I stopped recommending HP in about 2010 when i was working at staples as an easytech and about half the computers that needed actual repair, not windows issues, were HP laptops.
KaptainKardboard@reddit
I've been anti-HP for more than 25 years
lol_alex@reddit
I don‘t know what they rebranded from, but I have used a Dell 1320 cw color laser printer for a decade now. Separate cartridges, large black one, accepts aftermarket toner, and the first set ran for half of forever.
Fuck HP and their milking of customers.
havens1515@reddit
An HP tech used to come to my old job a lot to fix PCs . He straight up told me that HP doesn't care about their computers because they make no money on computers. They make money on their printers.
Since that conversation I decided that I would never buy an HP ever again, and would never recommend them either.
l0st1nP4r4d1ce@reddit
My position has been the same about HP for 20+ years.
Never again.
NockNockNockNockNock@reddit
Exactly
NockNockNockNockNock@reddit
I had my first laptop when I was 12, it was a HP. I NEVER understood how this company made it as their products are shitty quality and full of bloatware. It was like that already 20 years ago.
All I can say is welcome to the club.
gundealsmademebuyit@reddit
Lenovo has entered the conversation.
Dell > HP > Lenovo when it comes to enterprise / server grade hardware
jamesleeellis@reddit
you're 100% right. vote with your feet.... I've not bought any HP kit.... other than network switches from Aruba... but not bought a printer from them for years.
the point you made about right to repair here though I don't think should apply... as this really isn't a replacement part... its a part that is intentionally a consumable and is designed to be replaced. I think you could have a valid cause to sue them.
droog62@reddit
The printing industry has always been nefarious, from RIP boxes requiring insanely overpriced SIMMs from the correct OEM to work, to fonts costing even more money.
Popsicleese@reddit
Don't forget adobe's postscript and pdf!
droog62@reddit
Oh man, I forgot about Postscript being ridiculously expensive at one point.
NomadicWorldCitizen@reddit
Love my Brother printer. Low toner for a few months now. It’s in a basement with high humidity and still works.
EchoPhi@reddit
Don't buy from companies who do their primary source of business with large companies.
H3rbert_K0rnfeld@reddit
That's funny. I bought my daughter a HP AMD Ryzen laptop for $300 fom CostCo. That laptop screams. I wish I would have bought myself one
my_name_isnt_clever@reddit
Then why did you post it in the sysadmin subreddit?
Coolio_g@reddit
ericjgriffin@reddit
HP stands for Huge Pile.
rtangwai@reddit
High Price
I used to work for HP, we got told to stop saying that.
geekg@reddit
Horrible Product.
blbd@reddit
Hella Proprietary
RoomyRoots@reddit
I bought my first notebook in 2008 with my own money in 2008, it was a HP. Since then I still have all notebooks I ever had still working, MINUS the HP. Dell and Lenovo got shittier but they are still a much better investment.
When I worked with PC and Notebook repair we had loads of HPs and Compaqs too. I never saw a company so focosed in making overheat turds as HP.
RBeck@reddit
Haven't bought anything HP in a long time, and that was a Proliant server. For small to medium print load I'd do Brother for black & white, and Epson ECO Tank for color. Both don't have a way to detect ink source.
For larger printing, well, then you gotta have some printer salesmen crawling all over your office trying to take your boss to lunch at a chain restaurant.
billh492@reddit
I got screwed over on a Plymouth Horizon in 1981 and still would never buy a Chrysler be it Dodge Jeep Ram or what ever they make and would actively discourage others so I know how you feel and how long a grudge can last.
National_Pop3295@reddit
Only took you almost 20 years to figure out HP had turned to trash.
Mwroobel@reddit
I'm surprised it took you more than 1 year of dealing with HP to take this position!
PaisleyComputer@reddit
No and then... And then.... No and then... And theeeen
R_Work@reddit
Where is the TLDR for this novel.
taxigrandpa@reddit
seriously speaking, as one OldITGuy to another, is there any brand that you would recommend today in the US? No snark, genuine question.
Dell was my goto and they have failed for the last time. My Dad worked for HP so that was a non starter. Thinkpad was ok 20 years ago but now we're worried about spyware baked into the chips. what does that leave us?
mad_moriarty@reddit
Don’t recommend Lenovo either they are shit now and have zero customer support took me 7 months to get a replacement for a computer that never powered on new ordered from their website through my business account.
Kahless_2K@reddit
For what it's worth, as someone who supports thousands of printers, I can tell you that you gamble with generic supplies.
We have had printers literally ruined by crappy third party toner. One even caught on fire.
I'll keep buying genuine toner. It's still orders of magnitude cheaper than running an inkjet.
patssle@reddit
I have 20+ HP printers. The desktop black lasers do great with 3rd party toner. The central color lasers get gummed up with 3rd party, filling up the overflow and ruining the transfer belt and rollers. HP color toner is problem free.
illuxion@reddit
So, you have problems with consumer grade stuff and post a rant on sysadmin.
Significant-Pair-453@reddit
Lost me in the first paragraph
saltysomadmin@reddit
It's like how people publish recipes these days. Sweet, spinach artichoke dip. Good reviews. Let's check out the recipe to see if I have all of the ingredients.
"It all started back in 1987. It was a cold day in March. The sun was shining....."
blbd@reddit
It's the fault of the search engines for indexing nonsense sites higher up the rankings.
dustojnikhummer@reddit
It's either that or "Now draw the rest of the owl"
JankyJawn@reddit
Yeah I hit "In elementary school" and immediately checked out.
weed_blazepot@reddit
I think their laptops are fine-ish.
I haven't recommended an HP printer in over a decade.
crispier_toast@reddit
HP sucks. Their printers require accounts and the driver installers are full of bloatware. Their computers are full of bloatware. Everything about them is awful.
prodsec@reddit
HP sucks . I don’t need to read an article to know that.
ShotgunPayDay@reddit
HP is an awful company. Nothing infuriated me more than their servers and laptops. The iLO wasn't bad, but having to use their "Smart Provisioning" system for installations and Custom ISO was enough to drive me mad.
Their laptops though are the most poorly made least serviceable things I've ever had the honor of taking spudger to.
workstation01@reddit
I feel the same way about Dell.
geekg@reddit
Is HP in the room with us now?
brownwaffle@reddit
Dell is getting on that level too. The last 3 months we have received the worst service. Never had an issue before.
maoroh@reddit
You said it's not a rant about printers (which I hate with a deep passion) then went on to rant about printers. You sir, are a liar and I'm not surprised one bit about your bad experience.
Fuck printers, fuck'em hard.
HunnyPuns@reddit
This is a rant against capitalism, you just don't know it yet. Capitalism is openly hostile to consumers. Pick your favorite Big Name Brand Thing(tm). I promise you, it sucks ass compared to earlier Big Name Brand Thing(tm) products, or other brands that have failed in the past somewhere. You love it because you know the problems that come with it and how to deal with them.
FliesLikeABrick@reddit (OP)
I think it is the opposite from a rant against capitalism) ---
Isn't part of the capitalistic contract that the consumer votes with their wallet, the companies have a financial incentive to offer it and see what succeeds?
That breaks down when consumers stop caring about what the buy, accepts the status quo -- I suppose then we devolve into something like what people would call late-stage capitalism, if the feedback loops stop working because a status quo develops and is accepted as such, and things just proceed (from the consumer) on inertia.
So perhaps it is a rant against late-stage capitalism?
HunnyPuns@reddit
The capitalistic contract of "vote with your wallet" was just flowery propaganda that capitalists sold us so that Karen could tell the Best Buy manager that they just lost a customer for life.
Capitalism will always evolve to late-stage capitalism, because that's what happens when you drive for infinite profit in a finite world.
tom_yum@reddit
The laserjet 4250 was the last good HP product
Apprehensive_Bat_980@reddit
Not reading this lads
CowOtherwise6630@reddit
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
dumbledwarves@reddit
I stopped using HP 25 years ago.
joeyl5@reddit
such a long rant for printers, we stopped using printers in the office and at home for the past 10 years at least
Nuggetdicks@reddit
ooh I dont have to read it? Thank god for that.
ShadowPoundr@reddit
I refer to it as Hope & Prayer. Because the products are dog.
Ransarot@reddit
I did this with dell more than 20 years ago. Haven't bought a single Dell since.
ThenIWasAllLike@reddit
Team Brother chiming in. Solid ass printers.
MaxHedrome@reddit
bruh... put that %#*> in ChatGPT and say, "summarize"
ConspiracyHypothesis@reddit
I think you're way to personally invested in this. It's just a vendor. Pick a different one if you don't like them. No need for all this.
FliesLikeABrick@reddit (OP)
100% I agree with you, this was written stream of consciousness in response to the inconvenience it is causing me. This is not emotion about the vendor or the product, it is about companies taking intentionally customer-hostile action like pushing breaking software changes, and to some degree it is a rant about how everyone seems to be fine with this so I felt like posting it where I thought people would be receptive to being offended at the status quo
ConspiracyHypothesis@reddit
I'm not offended because this is what I do for work. I get paid to deal with all this shit so my boss doesn't have to. I don't care which company does what. Its not my money im.spendimg, it's not my goals being chased,and it's not my coffers that get fat if I succeed. It's just a company that needs hardware to do their work.
We are all less than thrilled about HP and their printer nonsense, but for most of us, this is just a job. So HP sucks, great, pick a new vendor and move on. Or keep HP because they do something the other guys can't. It's just a work printer.
devonnull@reddit
LOL, took'em 25 years. Took me like 1 day.
0verstim@reddit
The laser printer i had in high school cost $7000, in 1980's dollars. Your laser printer cost $700. Where do you think they're making up the money from?
lost_in_life_34@reddit
I have a brother color laser that I bought for $350
FliesLikeABrick@reddit (OP)
Thanks, I agree and I specifically say in there that this isn't about wanting cheap products, it is about them pushing the software updates to intentionally introduce breaking behavior after the purchase. I specifically have no problem buying quality expensive products
ChickenandWhiskey@reddit
HP Smart, never again.
Quietech@reddit
There are no alternatives, only other vendors that haven't finished locking down their printers yet. Yours is a quest to find a printer that's well made and supported by the vendor, but not so well the 3rd party units can't find ways around the security.
joefleisch@reddit
We keep a supply of old printers. They run until the drive system wears out.
I have an HP LaserJet 8100 w/ extended tray platform and only 50k pages waiting for a need.
Our HP LaserJet 9050’s are in need of maintenance kits and these are getting harder to find. My go to place went out of business. We might need to replace with copiers.
FliesLikeABrick@reddit (OP)
Thanks, my quest was and is to share a rant about pushing software updates out that intentionally walk back a product's capabilities -- I of course understand the landscape of the industry and the profit motives behind marketing, DRM-locking, and otherwise pushing hard on genuine supplies.
This is solely upsetting because of the software updates being pushed to break things that previously worked.
Quietech@reddit
They only fixed what was broken... To them. Maybe one day they'll ban this business model. Doubtful.
Which-Wolverine-7518@reddit
Look at Epson. They have toner that last really long.
pyrhus626@reddit
That’s way too long, but yes. I always tell people to avoid HPs
Nickolotopus@reddit
I started my working career out of high school selling HP printers out of Best Buy in 2000. I haven't recommended an HP product since 2004. HP products have sucked for a long time.
ScroogeMcDuckFace2@reddit
my current printer recommend is brother
johko814@reddit
Show me on the toner where HP touched you.
zakabog@reddit
If they had a laser printer they likely wouldn't have made this rant, I don't know I stopped reading one paragraph in...
Forward_Golf_1268@reddit
Dell isn't much better with the modern laptops.
RB-44@reddit
Tldr
secretusername555@reddit
You know what I find with products most people don’t get a problem but the ones who do go out their way to vent. I remember a company I worked for putting an order in for 6000 different PCs. It was a range of HP, Dell, Acer and Apple. Every PC worked and we ended up with added a gold 24 hour warranty on parts within 3 years and everything went perfectly. Moral of the story is a lot of people never get problems with their products but some do. All of the companies have problems just some worse / better than others.
ConstantSpeech6038@reddit
It surprises me it took you that long. Got their inkjet shit two decades back, what a scam that was...
No_Historian_7348@reddit
Could you tell us again? Do you have time?
illicITparameters@reddit
I stopped using them a long time ago….
ElevenNotes@reddit
Okay grandpa.
BumHound@reddit
“Don’t buy any HP anything ever” “25 years working in IT, not as any type of admin”
Scroll, skim, scroll, skim this schlep has a gripe with printers. News flash asshole, printers suck. Better not purchase juniper (ie the best) enterprise wifi solutions. Better not buy Aruba switches. Dude you don’t know anything about HP or IT.
johko814@reddit
I wish I was as passionate about something as you are about HP.
-aGz-@reddit
Nice