Prepping home against break-in (Canada)
Posted by Jabbott23@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 312 comments
In Canada we have very little legal ways to protect ourselves & property during a home invasion, my local police actually made a statement encouraging people to leave their car keys by the front door so that when thieves break in they can easily take your car and leave without hurting you since most times that's what they're looking for in my city. Canadians have been arrested & charged for injuring intruders. I have small children in my home so I obviously wouldn't want a break in to become violent I'm more worried about that then losing possessions. We did purchase security cameras as a hopeful deterrent. All my life in Atlantic Canada this was never something we ever thought of but I want to be proactive in at least doing all I can to keep us safe. If any of you have experienced a break in or someone attempting to break in are there things you would or wouldn't recommend?
VA3FOJ@reddit
Speaking as a canadian, if someone breaks into my house, i give 0 fucks what the law says. That person will be removed from my house or rendered incapable of being a threat by the quickest means available. Gun, axe, knife, fists, chemicals, a turd from my toilet, or all of the above
C-ute-Thulu@reddit
Lol, a turd from your toilet would definitely deter criminals from returning
psilome@reddit
I conceal carry a turd, everywhere I go. Shopping, out to eat, even to church. You'd be surprised, all you have to do is flash it and troublemakers will leave you alone. I've never actually had to use it.
ButterscotchFront340@reddit
Do you have a license for that? Did you have to go through proper training? Does your carry license have reciprocity with other jurisdictions?
Existing_String1434@reddit
.doo-doo calibre rifle
flakenomore@reddit
That’s hilarious!
BackRowRumour@reddit
Mate, you need to write a turd utility book, for reading on the toilet. Fund your prepping.
Existing_String1434@reddit
Special operation feces
TheProfessional9@reddit
The trick is to have it in a long sock with the end holding it I'm the toilet. The end of the sock stays went and the third disintegrates a bit in the toilet. Then you whirl it like a sling over your head and smack it into the intruders face. The wetness of the sock and the lack of turd integrity will lead to maximum splat.
This my friend, is what we call a poopsock to the face
Unhappy_Economics@reddit
skunk juice sprinkler would be a local criminal urban legend lol
munjavio@reddit
The illusive Turd Burglar!!!
ConBroMitch2247@reddit
Breaking news, Trudeau bans all assault turds
landmanpgh@reddit
Do they do juries in Canada or is it just a king issuing rulings?
Because if it's the former, I'd take my chances on finding one normal dude who doesn't care that you lit someone up who broke into your house.
If it's the latter...eh yeah I'd still be shooting.
beam84-@reddit
Also Canadian, it’s about proportional force and your ability to prove you had no other options available. Even then you’re probably boned anyway. You can be found liable for an intruder hurting themselves on your property even if you weren’t there
NorthernPrepz@reddit
I don’t think that last part is true, pretty sure you can’t sure if you were injured while intending to commit a felony. Let alone were actively committing one. Yes you can be sued if you drop the guy due to excessive force/wrongful death in both civil and criminal court.
T732@reddit
Wasn’t there a case where these two guys broke into a house. One guy died and the other was shot in the leg. The one shot in the leg fled and later came back and sued the guy the shot him and won.
Th3LonelyBard@reddit
It's very situational, there has to be a clear threat to you before you can use force. If someone is just snooping around in your yard, or they've already disengaged and start to flee, it's probably ill-advised to pursue them or continue using force.
Here is a Canadian criminal defense and firearm lawyer talking about the subject https://youtu.be/u2mRiW8fF5E?si=NKaECidEOTpBx8J4
AJourneyer@reddit
Had to be Runkle. Love that guy's stuff!
knifepartyjc@reddit
This tells me to spend a clip on an intruder's head, each, if possible!
Underhill42@reddit
There've been cases (in the US at least) where thieves have successfully sued for injuring themselves falling through a missing floor (it was being rebuilt when they broke in)
Basically, you have a legal obligation to make sure nobody can easily hurt themselves on any property you own. Including thieves and trespassing kids who may be tempted to do really stupid things - you're obligated to avoid creating such an "attractive nuisance" even if nobody has been hurt yet.
dirkdiggler2011@reddit
If someone can flee a country and just say they felt they were in danger without any verification and thus be granted asylum in Canada, then I should be given some leeway to stop persons breaking into my home and not leaving when they realize I'm there. I am in fear of my life and I won't be gathering up my family to flee to avoid confrontation.
I can guarantee that weapons would be found on them after a high velocity aeration treatment.
AITA_Omc_modsuck@reddit
Agreed. In that moment, whatever it takes to protect our families! Fuck what the mall cops say.
JenFMac@reddit
Fetch the turd! I shall vanquish this marauder with my trustee turd!
GolfinAZ@reddit
Have fun in jail mate.
VA3FOJ@reddit
Ok
InquisitorialBurger@reddit
normal person here
Big_Profession_2218@reddit
Best consistent ranged perimeter alarm is geez or crows. Geez are considerably easier to befriend and will skwak like mofos should unknown entity approach. Interior alarm - dog is your best friend.
Cameras are nice but unless you enjoy constant motion notifications from neighbors, birds, traffic and wind moving shrubbery they are more of a post mortem friend.
Use security film on your outside window panes and reflective film on the inside panes. Reinforce striker plate and entire frame around entry door (home depot kits), if you can afford it, reinforced outer steel storm door does wonders. A top of the window level flood lights on interior switch, lockable garage door, electric pressure washer with a detergent tank you can run from inside, fill the detergent reservoir with mineral oil + your least favorite ghost pepper sauce + hardware store ammonia. Should they breach a hole spray away.
GreatGrumpyGorilla@reddit
Three S’s
Shoot Shovel Shut up
BeautifulAvailable80@reddit
I have a knife that i will plant on the corpse before police arrive.
Blackhawk8797@reddit
I know a man with a wife and 4 daughters. He has a trained German Shepherd and a Cane Corso. His wife knows how to deploy pepper balls. I pity the poor bastards that break into his home.
flatlander70@reddit
Damn. I fully intend to shoot first and ask questions later.
Lazy_Transportation5@reddit
I love America. You can just hold them at gun point until the cops show up and if they’re feeling froggy, you leap.
KB9AZZ@reddit
My suggestion would be to renounce your Canadian citizenship and emigrate to America then the full advantage of the 2nd amendment. Meanwhile Trudeau has armed gaurds!
Cute-Consequence-184@reddit
Automatic lights that come on with movement
Ring doorbells (or similar) so you can see who is at the door and talk or yell at them.
Mom had a bracket out at her door where a metal bar went across her door so it couldn't be pushed in by force. It was 2 brackets bolted in at each side of the door then a metal 2x2 hollow bar that went into each bracket. It would have taken a car to break into her front door.
Lights on a timer inside that come on periodically during the night and when you are gone. Just be sure to change up the settings. You can get smart lights or smart plugs then you can turn them on at random with your voice or set different routines.
A radio to play in the background. Something like a smart speaker you can turn on when you are gone or just set to turn on at random times each day when you are gone or even upstairs or asleep.
Large boots to put outside to make it seem like someone is coming back for them soon.
As for protection. Baseball bats, cast iron skillets, the blade from a hack saw- heck the ENTIRE hack saw. A bar of soap in a stocking, a baseball in a tube sock, a tire thumper from anyone who drives a large truck,... Almost anything can be a weapon if you are desperate.
And take a class on self defense.
Boy am I glad I live in a constitutional carry state with castle laws!
Underhill42@reddit
Let me guess - her nigh-indestructible door was right next to a picture window...
It's hard to believe the number of people who will go to extreme lengths to secure the obvious entrance while ignoring all the others. There's little point in making your door any sturdier than the windows and walls. There's lots of high security doors in the world securing rooms with plasterboard walls you can easily punch through. Or with drop ceilings that let you go over the walls.
joyce_emily@reddit
I disagree. Thieves often take the path of least resistance: speed and quiet are of the essence when trying to not get caught. Each layer makes them more likely to move on to the next (easier) target. (Source: local police opinion and my own experience being robbed)
Underhill42@reddit
Sure... but as soon as your door is locked well enough to need to be broken through (a.k.a. a decent, properly installed deadbolt), you've made the windows, walls, etc. equally attractive entrances as the door, at least to anyone who's marginally competent (which in fairness may exclude many/most opportunistic criminals).
A bar across the door doesn't increase actual security beyond a keyless deadbolt (since picking locks is trivial) unless you've already secured everything else about the house to the point that breaking through the door is once again the easiest / quietest option... which almost requires you be securing a windowless room with solid walls.
...Unless the doorway is so shoddily built that you can't actually properly secure a deadbolt. Or you don't know how to. which given the popularity of kicking in doors in both media and life is probably pretty common, now that I think about it. While even a poorly installed bar will almost always be firmly fastened to wall studs where it can actually provide some real security.
Cute-Consequence-184@reddit
Truth.
But the window was crazy strong.
Had a billy goat try to crack it once with his horns and you could hear the loud ringing from the glass throughout the house.
A pen tip would have broken it but not that large set of horns. Most robbers would try force and slamming against the glass which wouldn't work and not think to use a (car) glass breaker. That would give time to get other measures in place to protect the home.
oswaldcopperpot@reddit
You want reach and or a blade at the very least. A woman with a bat is probably going to be worthless. I can take one swing, gain ground and disarm with little effort. A bat and knife in the other hand renders that strat more dangerous.
joyous-at-the-end@reddit
slick the bat with oil and put a sock on it.
oswaldcopperpot@reddit
You dont grab that bat like that but wrench it out of their hands close range, it falls to the side and then you elbow lock them face down, or attack sensitive areas. You dont want the bat either at close range. Hell let them keep the bat since it means that occupies their hands.
Cute-Consequence-184@reddit
And absolutely. I've even seen people put a long tube sock over one also.
Confident-Belt4707@reddit
I would argue a robust home security system, no trespassing signs and two or three big dogs from a breed who are known for well let's just say they don't have a good reputation, German shepherds, Tibetan mastiffs, Rhodesian ridgebacks, rottweilers, dobermans, Cane corsos...
kitlyttle@reddit
I had a couple of LEOs tell me straight up, if you feel you are in danger, don't rely on us. We won't be quick enough. Just make sure to 1) not kill them, 2) be certain their battered body is found well within your property line, and 3) call it in asap as a death threatening by stranger. Brownie points if there is a weapon found nearby with their prints. *weapon in Canada being anything the cops choose to label as such
BlahBlahBlackCheap@reddit
Leave the keys on the table but have a kill switch in the car?
erice1984@reddit
Sounds like the state is looking out for the best interests of the state. Since the state pays healthcare. They don't want you to add to their bill.
Huge-Shake419@reddit
Window security film. If you can find it, get the blast resistant 4+mil. Replace door strike plate screws with at least two 3 1/2 inch deck screws.
UncomfortableBike975@reddit
Is that the place where if you are in an altercation with a home invader and you fight over the weapon and the intruder dies even though he brought said weapon with him you still get charged with a crime?
UnableFortune@reddit
When my BIL was living with us we had a break in while the rest of us were out. He was home upstairs in his room when this guy walked in. My BIL hit him with a baseball bat and chased him out. Thief only got a big bruise for his efforts. Police didn't press charges against BIL. A friend who is a cop here said typically Canadian cops don't press charges until guns get involved. Bigger issue is they don't want a bunch of city dwellers using guns for every conflict. Better to give blanket rules and then deal with serious situations in courts on a case by case basis.
It was 20 years ago in the GTA. My advice is to defend yourself and family, but don't defend property in Canada. Courts will forgive defense of yourself or in defense of someone else. Better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. Canadian courts aren't going to forgive defending inanimate objects.
Own-Marionberry-7578@reddit
Buy a "kick stop" for every door. They aren't expensive. Every door hinge probably has three screws. Replace one in every hinge with a 4" wood screw. Replace the screws in your deadbolt strike plate with longer screws that actually get into the door framing, not just the decorative jamb. Similarly, stick a "charlie bar" in every sliding window. You can just use pieces of wood if you don't want to buy purpose built items, but it's important that they go in the middle of the slider and not at the bottom. Get shatter proof window film on all the windows and glass doors. You can even get reflective film that prevents outsiders from looking through and seeing what's inside, like a 2 way mirror.
Go around the outside of your home and remove anything that could be used as a tool to pry or smash open a window or door. Also remove anything that could assist a criminal in making it to your second floor, if you have one. Don't forget your second floor doors and windows.
Don't leave any spare keys hidden around your property, even in a realtor type lock box.
MypronounisDR@reddit
Move out of the areas with "diversity", crime rates are statistically higher with "diversity" around.
Sorry not sorry.
LongRoadNorth@reddit
Tell me you live in in the Toronto area without telling me...
Our police are a fucking joke. Too busy arguing with civilians about how they need to park illegally to get their coffee instead of doing their job.
End of the day, rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6.
klintbeastwood10@reddit
yeah, its embarassing, i heard the toronto police say that on the news, i realized how useless they are
ourfella@reddit
Protip the burglar is the only one who knows he is at your house. Do with that information what you will
PaulEngineer-89@reddit
Run for political office if it concerns you.
International-Lock36@reddit
I apologize if my question is dumb but I'm a bit slow on the uptake. Would you mind terribly explaining what you mean by "...the burglar is the only one who knows he is at your house"?
AKmaninNY@reddit
Think “the bath tub” in Breaking Bad.
flortny@reddit
Except they might have a getaway driver. However, what are they going to say, "I was robbing houses with barry and he didn't come back to the car"
JennaSais@reddit
One of the single most important things a person can learn in this life is that cops aren't there to protect you, no matter what their slogan is, they are there to protect the state and capital. When you threaten those things, that's when they come out in force. They DGAF about someone being robbed.
areyoukynd@reddit
This. And it’s unfortunately one of those fuck around and find out situations..
ballskindrapes@reddit
I commiserate. I live in kentucky, us, and the LMPD are such a joke. They pretty much ruined our future golf tournament chances as they arrested a very famous golfer because a cop threw a fit that he wasn't getting the respect he demanded....then lied and said he was dragged by the golfer....and video clearly showed it was an outright lie.
Ok_Area4853@reddit
At least in Kentucky, you can defend yourself without ending up in prison.
ballskindrapes@reddit
I mean, I would honestly trade that for you know, a police force that is actually effective.
Knowing that they aren't gonna do anything about anything, and that you actually need to be worried about them, because they've done things like drive around throwing blushes at people, unjustly killing people, is pretty frustrating.
So yeah, I'd make that trade.
Ok_Area4853@reddit
That's an interesting outlook. I wouldn't. The extreme end of that idea is tyranny, which is not what you're referring to, I'm sure, but that's every tyrannical government in history. Strong governmental forces keeping order with the populace disarmed. In history, it has, 100% of the time, ended up with a tyrannized populace.
ballskindrapes@reddit
For some reason I thought you meant in a home, and that was unsurprisingly incorrect.
But I would happily change some laws where there were stricter guidelines in order to legally use deadly force, in exchange for a functional police force.
Ok_Area4853@reddit
I'm confused by this statement.
Hard disagree. But you do you.
ballskindrapes@reddit
Sorry, I can be very unclear.
For an unknown reason, when I read your statement, I assumed you were referring to self defense in one's home, instead of the concept as a whole.that influenced my answer.
I'm not saying anything crazy. Just things like maybe one has a duty to retreat in public, or a longer training period before one can have ccw, and no open carry, or b. Those are ones I think would be good changes, that I would be willing to have done so my police would work.
Ok_Area4853@reddit
The problem here is that no one should have the right to force you from a space that you are legally allowed to be in, and duty to retreat laws effectively give criminals the right to do exactly that.
The foundational issue I have with this is that CCW laws are unconstitutional per the 2nd amendment, which clearly gives everyone the right to carry arms.
Obviously, many places still require a CCW to carry concealed in public, so I don't really have an opinion about materially changing those laws unless we're talking about abolishing them in favor of constitutional carry.
Same objection as above. Though for this one, I think it's a bad idea, and personally, only concealed carry.
I personally don't believe that trading more effective police by curtailing our rights is the right way to do things. But like I said above, you do you.
Global-Discussion-41@reddit
You think police elsewhere are doing any better?
olivenextdoor@reddit
Can Confirm - in my town USA they are not.
Wise-Fault-8688@reddit
Yeah, but at least here, the tide has shifted a little toward the occupant in terms of any fallout that occurs.
In Ohio (among other places), you'd have to prove that I wasn't in fear for my life, and dead men tell no tales.
WonderfulPositive463@reddit
Not yet…..
LongRoadNorth@reddit
Doubtful, but Toronto police are a joke.
flortny@reddit
Depends on the state, and the intruders physical location i.e threshhold
JennaSais@reddit
You can indeed be charged for defending yourself in the US, like here. Whether those charges stick or not is another matter, also like here.
HundK@reddit
You'll need a good lawyer to get you a sympathetic jury, if you go to trial. Might as well get out that checkbook, and start writing that $100,000 check now.
JennaSais@reddit
No. The onus is on the court to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a) there was no reasonable threat if death or grievous bodily harm; b) that the force used by the defendant wasn’t for self defense, and c) that the force used wasn't reasonable. If it fails to prove any ONE of those things, the charges are not going to stick.
Children_Of_Atom@reddit
Yes. Both in other parts of Canada and better parts of the world from my experiences. I'm not sure if there is another police force that is so allergic to enforcing traffic laws. While not as corrupt as many developing world police forces they have the same level of investigative fortitude.
United-Advertising67@reddit
In Canada that actually means you'll be in prison for the rest of your life, while the person who breaks into your house and rapes you and kills you with a machete or some shit will be out in a couple years.
Canada is cooked, not just on a governmental level but on a cultural and population level. Nobody will save you, nobody will side with you.
LongRoadNorth@reddit
So true. How many are already out on bail reoffending. Our Justice system is a joke
Aardvark-Decent@reddit
Yes, a large, protective, dog that only barks when it believes there is a threat. Make sure you leave it's big dog dishes out where anyone can see them. If they break in anyway, they aren't your average thieves, and at least the dog will provide you with a few precious seconds to grab another means of protection.
4Wonderwoman@reddit
Or better: get 2 large protective dogs. 💕
SurFud@reddit
I believe that advice is also a logistical thing. It kind of boils down to police response time. Avoid a physical confrontation, and maybe they will catch the ass hat. In Alberta, I keep a nine iron and a baseball bat by my door. FYI It is an aluminum Louisville Slugger. But ya, we don't have many options. Especially not a firearm. Then you are the guy in hand cuffs. Cheers.
Open-Attention-8286@reddit
Or an alarm that sounds like a barking dog.
TotallyNotKenorb@reddit
Came here to say this, knowing someone had to have said it.
capt-bob@reddit
Thorn bushes under windows, replace door hinge screws with longer tougher ones. No windows on front doors, only one way security peepholes. Keep cellphone by bed and call cops right away if you hear something. Bright lights at doors. Complain on paper that police won't protect people and suggest giving your car away and to vote for someone else maybe? If they want to hack n people protecting themselves in the US, they better step up enforcement.
olycreates@reddit
As some have said, reinforce any entry doors. Doorjams included. There are also door props that one end goes under the doorknob and the other sits in a fitting a few feet from the door.
Express-Age4253@reddit
Wasp spray in a can that shoots like 15 feet. And if intruded and cops respond always tell them the intruder implied that he had a gun.
Swagasaurus-Rex@reddit
Might be an unpopular opinion, but you should not hold back if an intruder enters your home, you should treat them like they’re ready to commit murder and you should not hold back defending yourself. Deal with the bullshit legal system knowing at least your family is safe.
The only other recommendation is preventative. Get a fence around your property, cameras on your doorstep and around your unit, a gate, and make sure your front door is secured, maybe with an auto-lock. Scope out your windows, make sure nobody can smash one and get in.
kirbygay@reddit
Super important about the windows! I had a break-in while I was home asleep (worked nights, so this was middle of the day). The main floor was upstairs, and I'd left the window open for fresh air. I didn't think it was possible to get in, but they did. And they dropped a knife in the process.
They stole a laptop. I was scared so I stayed hidden downstairs. I'm glad they stole the laptop and left immediately, instead of finding nothing and coming downstairs where I was. I had no weapons and was a vulnerable 21 year old woman!!!
Nowadays I keep a bat under my bed. And everything is locked. I even have patio metal bar locks.
will-reddit-for-food@reddit
Best option is a firearm that is comfortable for you and that you have practiced using. If that’s not an option, a long blade would be better than a bat. Even if you’re strong enough to swing it for a home run, it would be difficult in a tight space like a hallway or if someone is in the door frame. They’ll mostly likely end up just taking it from you and using it… you can get a sword or hatchet at academy sports or Walmart. Even the mall-ninja junk swords on Amazon are at least pointy enough to do serous damage.
4r4nd0mninj4@reddit
When I worked nights, I carried a 2 million candle power flashlight. It's by far the best defense "weapon" you can legally carry in Canada...mainly because you're not legally allowed to carry anything for the purpose of self-defence. Just don't tell the cops you were carrying it for self-defence, and you'll be fine. One night, a roommate's friend walked into my bedroom by mistake, and I shown the light at him, and he was blinded for a few minutes. I could have easily beat him with the flashlight if I needed to.
You can also carry dog spray "for dogs" but you probably won't want to use that indoors.
If your attacker has a gun, you better hope you can get your safe open before they can get your door open and have a few million for legal defense if you "win" that fight.
Potato_Specialist_85@reddit
Keep a safe, dont put gun in it. After shooting your intruder, open the safe.
4r4nd0mninj4@reddit
Instructions unclear. Put intruder in safe, shot the safe, and opened the gun.
Potato_Specialist_85@reddit
Well done.
Holiday_Albatross441@reddit
Yeah, we have bear spray because we often go out in the wilds where bears might be around, but I don't think I'd want to use it in the house as it would probably mess us up as much as the bad guys.
4r4nd0mninj4@reddit
Yeah, I've had colleagues bear sprayed at work. Do not recommend it. It's hell to get out of your clothes...
kirbygay@reddit
Thanks, I'll look into that
Ms-Unhelpful@reddit
Consider other self defense weapons unless most spaces in your house are large enough to accomodate swinging a bat.
joyous-at-the-end@reddit
they also have those rubber stop things where even if the window is unlocked, it cant be fully open.
Jabbott23@reddit (OP)
I definitely would not hold back but I am very small, only 4'11 & I feel like even if I was unhinged I still wouldn't be able to protect myself against even one intruder let alone multiple that's why I feel like prevention is my best chance at avoiding being in that situation to begin with but I'd never sit back and do nothing I just realistically know that in a face to face situation i'm screwed.
Ms-Unhelpful@reddit
Yes, women are at a serious disadvantage without a firearm. A firearm would be the only way I could defend myself against a male attacker, and most home invaders come in groups.
alternativepuffin@reddit
Everything you said here and especially love the part of looking through your windows from the outside. Most home protection is preventative. The majority of the time, just having basic things like motion detection lights can be enough. Hell you can even make it look nice with rose bushes.
The legal system will occasionally fuck over the victim. But for every one of those settlement cases there's 99 jury cases where they reinforced castle doctrine. You just don't hear about them because they're not headline worthy. Like you said, I'll take my chances explaining myself to my peers.
JennaSais@reddit
Canada doesn't have Castle Doctrine.
OP, please actually familiarize yourself with Canadian self-defense cases, and understand that, generally speaking (this is general information, not legal advice) that one's use of force when defending themselves has to be found to be proportional to the threat. So don't act like a damn vigilante, but do defend yourself.
ChaosRainbow23@reddit
I read a story about a meth head who loved motion lights. Then he could see what he was doing. Lol
I don't know of the story's veracity....
joyous-at-the-end@reddit
always nice to see intelligent comments in the morning.
4r4nd0mninj4@reddit
I definitely agree on the auto-lock. Schlage had a decent basic lever set available. I installed the FE595 after some lost air B&B'ers kept walking into my living room due to poor directions. I have a coded deadbolt that was usually unlocked while I was home, but any code can be entered if it's unlocked. I'm looking into security window films next.
Massiveattack0828@reddit
Get powerful guard dogs 🐕
Headstanding_Penguin@reddit
Maybe you could politely ask wheter a local moose wants to be your friend and keep watch over your home in exchange for some food?
(sorry my brain is in the stupid phase right now...)
Jabbott23@reddit (OP)
Listen if I could have a pet Moose I totally would! I almost hit one the other day he ran across the road.
Headstanding_Penguin@reddit
Just don't make them drunk, I heard rumors that they are getting out of controll if they drink...
Rough-Economy-6932@reddit
I live in California so our legal/social situation is almost identical to yours. You must work within your limitations so don’t feel discouraged. Here is my input: 1. Create outer perimeter deterrence: plant un hospitable spiky plants like cactus.
Utilize a quality fence or wall based on your zoning laws. Limit entry points like gaps and low walls etc. Place signs in obvious areas (Beware of dog, Video Surveillance in progress etc)
Trim down any foliage at entry points to your house that can conceal an intruder.
Harden your entry points into your residence. Close off pet portals, use wuality locks and door posts/frames, ornate window bars with fire release pedal.
Install loud audible alarms on exterior of your house that will sound if the residence is breached.
Maintain dogs on your property. They don’t have to be monster Cane Coursos or Rottweillers. I find having 4-6 small sogs like Chihuahua mixes are better. They are alert, high energy, territorial and yap at any sound they hear. Hime invaders rely on stealth and will bypass a house with noisy dogs.
Create a hardened safe room inside your house. Keep supplies inside like a charged cellphone, intercom, camera access, fire extinguisher, weapons (within your law), first aid kit, bottled water, energy bars.
MOST important is the mindset. If you and your family don’t periodically drill and train, none of the above will help. Create periodic “fire-emergency “ drills and have family practice responding to a threat and retreating to a safe room.
Final thoughts: you are basically creating an onion layer of protection and deterrence. Most thugs prefer easy prey and don’t want to hassle with prepared people. Be aware of your surroundings and ensure you and your family maintain a general awareness around them especially when coming home.
drank_myself_sober@reddit
Canadians don’t realize that yes, they can fight back, and violently…but proportionately (which is still odd).
If a guy breaks in, you grab a bat and chase him down the street and beat him vs he breaks in, fights with you, you grab a bat and beat him till you’ve ‘won’…those are two very different situations.
No, I cannot blow someone’s head off with a shotgun that just broke in, unlike castle laws in the US…am I going to if I happen to be cleaning my gun, turn a corner and a dude has a knife? What if he runs? Do I shoot him? What if he gets outside? Do I fire?
In Canada, self-defense laws are governed by the Criminal Code of Canada, specifically under sections 34 and 35. Here’s a summary of the key points:
1. Reasonable Force:
2. Imminent Threat:
3. No Duty to Retreat:
4. Defense of Property:
5. Proportionality:
In essence, self-defense in Canada must be immediate, proportional, and necessary given the circumstances. The situation will be judged on a case-by-case basis to determine if the force used was justified under the law.
VeryEngorged@reddit
I much rather we had FAFO laws like the states
LuckyNumberS13V3N@reddit
The criminal code of Canada is a joke, much like our charter and constitution.
BackRowRumour@reddit
I'm not a Canadian lawyer, but proportionality might have come in via the Law of Armed Conflict.
That being the case, I presume that the other 3 principles might also affect the court's approach. I suggest Imminent threat covers Necessity.
https://militarylawcenter.com/law-of-armed-conflict/
I particularly note "Torture, cruel treatment, and degrading practices are forbidden under LOAC, upholding the inherent dignity of every human being."
BabDoesNothing@reddit
I know nothing about Canada, but with your limited rights I’d say it’s time to get yourself a German shepherd puppy for the family. Take the time to train it properly!
klintbeastwood10@reddit
also canadian, there have actually been a few instances lately of home invasion break ins ending with the homeowner shooting(and killing) the intruder, and not even going to court.... i know this is not what were used to, but there have been several cases in the last few years, the latest of which i believe was in alberta just this year...
4r4nd0mninj4@reddit
It really depends on how liberal the government is at the time.
jontaffarsghost@reddit
Does the government decide charges now?
klintbeastwood10@reddit
No, but they do have a big influence on judges. Most judges seem to have a political bias.
IcyDay5@reddit
You're not a political prisoner because people don't like you, ffs. People just think you're dumb. The "Fuck Trudeau" crowd are 90% idiots and you've aligned yourself with them.
The rampant "I'm a political prisoner" self-victimization stuff is dumb too by the way.
4r4nd0mninj4@reddit
No, if you're involved in a self-defence case, the province you're in may choose to press charges or not, depending on what furthers their agenda. Most people feel you should be able to defend yourself in your own home but the current party only had less than a 3rd of the vote and is going to push their anty gun, anty self-defence until they are booted from office this fall.
ZedFlex@reddit
The same convictions happened under the previous conservative governments. Self defence limits in Canada have remained consistent across parties for some time now
4r4nd0mninj4@reddit
These aren't convictions. They are unnecessary charges that the public shouldn't have to fight in the first place. A man who defends his mother from five armed home invaders with his licensed and registered firearm shouldn't have been arrested, jailed for nine days, charged with 2nd degree murder, and have his guns confiscated, leaving his mother unprotected in the event the three suspects returned for retribution. He then had to fight the charges for five months before the prosecutors gave up.
Ginger0331@reddit
Coming from a fellow Canadian that moved to texas 2 years ago
Keep a baseball bat beside your bed and bear spray in a couple different spots around the house. It has a 30ft reach.
okunivers@reddit
How's life there? You like there? Is there construction jobs? I like Texas. No messing around. You try and hurt my family you're done. We talk later
Ginger0331@reddit
Theres lots of work down here I chose just south of san antonio. Its hot here tho average temp where im at is 115-125 in the summer with humidity and nights get down to 75-85. “Winter” gets cool for about 3 weeks
The illegals are a bit much some times with the break ins. But most people carry a self defense tool on them.
The schools are safe here and compared to the Canadian ones are awesome and clean and they feed the kids well.
YYZYYC@reddit
Lol schools are safe eh? Hows uvalde ?
Ginger0331@reddit
I said around me where i live they are safe. Uvalde is 2 hours away from me
ZedFlex@reddit
Barriers to entry are the best deterrent in the Canadian context. Reinforced doors, bars/rollshutters on windows, security lights, barking dogs, etc.
Most forced entries are robberies and perpetrators will likely flee in confronting a hardened entry.
Ill advised but since we’re in this sub Reddit, non-restricted firearms can be compliantly stored in the closest to functional condition. Unlocking and loading a compliantly locked pistol is unlikely in a fast moving situation. A hunting rifle or shotgun can be accessed quickly and can be intimidating enough to end the conflict
YYZYYC@reddit
This is a myth, you are absolutely allowed to use the level of force needed to stop someone attacking you….the problem is so many people confuse that with the emotional anger of revenge mindset and think that means its ok to shoot someone for breaking into your garage or that if you successfully defend yourself from an attack that its now ok to chase the guy and continue to beat him with a baseball bat
twostroke1@reddit
That’s pretty messed up but a few ways to deter people away: cameras (which you have, but I’d say at least 1-2 in very obvious positions so someone knows they are being watched), fences are always good. And the biggest deterrent, in my opinion, is having a big loud barking dog(s).
0ui_n0n@reddit
Even a small yappy dog will deter most people. It's not so much fear of the bite, but fear of the bark drawing attention.
We had a series of thefts here in Atlantic Canada last summer. Mostly people snatching things from the back deck. After someone pushed in a window screen and grabbed a kitbag from our porch, we installed security cameras in visible locations and have had no unwelcome visitors since.
This along with common sense (like closing windows when we're not home/awake...) is enough for us to feel protected. Crimes in our area are almost always petty & opportunistic.
Unfair_Holiday_3549@reddit
Shotgun?
Iconiclastical@reddit
One of a government's top priorities should be protecting it's citizens. If they can't, not allowing the citizens to protect themselves is insane.
Creepy_Prior_689@reddit
I’d rather be judged by 12 than carrier by 6.
If it comes to protecting the lives of my wife and kids from a violent intruder the appropriate level of force is: WHATEVER. IT. TAKES.
Perhaps you’ve recently taken up target shooting and hunting and the only safe place you can store a firearm (12ga shotgun) in your residence is in your bedroom. In the chaos of the moment you truly feared for your life and the lives of your family. The intruders said they were going to r*pe and then kill your family in front of your eyes and grabbing your firearms was the only deterrent you can muster that was appropriate to the level of threat you were faced with.
Strudelhund@reddit
Passive protection is very important, even if there are solid self defense laws. A sturdy door with a good lock, long screws in the frame and strike plate (they always skimp on those), security window film and maybe even security bars for the doors and windows can deter intruders. Burglars look for easy targets, they want to get in and out fast.
Don't show off wealth, be careful about what you show to the world through social media.
Thorny plants around the yard and under windows can also help. If you live in a bear area you may get away with strategically placed boards with nails sticking out.
SparrowLikeBird@reddit
People who break into your house to steal stuff already know what you own. They are either friends/family who saw it while visiting, or passers-by who saw it through your windows.
A chihuahua is the single dog most likely to change a burglar's mind (not a stat just a word of mouth thing). Big dogs are taught to behave. Medium-small dogs are shown love by everyone they meet. Chihuahuas make a pact with satan in exchange for eternal life and they will yap until you die of old age waiting for them to shut up if you piss them off. So get a chihuahua.
I live in a gun-happy USA state with stand your ground laws - but - the laws specify that you need to be able to prove that A Reasonable Person (TM) in your situation Would Reasonably Believe as in could prove in court that it was likely they faced Risk of Death of Permanent Injury which is defined as disability of disfigurement. (A broken bone or facial scar counts).
For that, the intruder has to be armed, and additionally has to have moved past a clearly visible valuable in order to advance on any resident or guest of the home (including the family dog). So, in light of that, make sure that whatever fancy shit you have, big TV or whatever, is closer to the door than your bedrooms are. This protects you in the event you have to defend yourself, but it ALSO makes it less likely you will need to.
I personally recommend non-weapon defensive tools. Like "oh, I just happened to have a wrench nearby because I was fixing the kitchen sink earlier that day" or "we keep the flashlight by the door in case the dog has to pee at night" or "I mistook my hairspray for my mace since both live in my purse and since the flashlight was by the door I was using my lighter to see"
78704dad2@reddit
I’m in Texas and train jiujitsu 3-5 days a week between work and kids activities. I have firearms, knives, and train to use and defend against each one. You don’t want to use those things first. You would want a bat or canoe paddle to keep above a door frame. And practice and commit mentally to use it and not stop into everyone is safe.
Running away and escaping with your entire family is the first priority. Fighting is second order, escalating to defending or using weapons is last.
Mentally accept the consequences too so you’ll act with out hesitation to defend your family.
I’m too valuable to sweat an item or what not.
ThermobaricM270@reddit
Are you saying this strictly because OP lives in Canada? Because you’re confusing me here. If you live in a place where you can legally use a firearm and have castle doctrine, you do not want to use a bat first. Good luck with your canoe paddle if the intruder has a firearm.
78704dad2@reddit
I thank you and the intruder for carrying my weapon that I’m about to take from you.
____80085____@reddit
I had a locksmith come in and double deadbolt all my doors. Then this summer we replaced all our windows with newer energy efficient windows. When we did that I actually had them install laminated security glass in ALL our windows.
I basically just wanted to buy myself some time to pull up cameras and see what the situation is outside before I reach for one of my self defence tools…. “Bear spray, baseball bat, boomstick, one handed boomstick or a knife.”
There’s lots of options and the key is knowing what you’re dealing with. One single intruder, I’m reaching for bear spray lol 5 armed suspects…. Perhaps something else.
No-Meet-1625@reddit
Dead man tell no tales
biggerfasterstrong@reddit
Tell me you’re not free without telling me you’re not free. Law abiding citizens are second rate citizens.
Impossible-Web545@reddit
You can still own a musket and bayonet, but not a canon, in Canada. Fire then charge at them and chances are they will run away. Imagine you break into someone's house, hear a painful loud bang, then the fire alarms start blaring and you see some guy running at you with a weird spear, yeah your gonna run not know what just happened.
Phoroptor22@reddit
https://www.tenpointcrossbows.com/canada-crossbow-regulations/ Ex-Canadian now. This is one way to stop an intruder and is legal in most provinces. The draw/pull weight may be an issue but I’m sure in a life or death situation you’d rather have a crossbow and a good knife available. One advantage is they are very quiet.
Eheggs@reddit
Any one in Canada that sees this post, If some one breaks in just fucking defend yourself or jump out a window if the situation allows. Bash the robbers face in if you are cornered. go for the nuts, go for the eyes, chemicals, large objects whatever, Just because you will end up in court for defending yourself dosn't mean the system is broken, The system exists for a reason and while it will be inconvenient, its better then being dead. You are allowed to defend yourself, you will just have to go to court as a consequence. Don't lie down and die to avoid a few months of court.
acadburn2@reddit
Rose bushes / blueberries by windows
Motion detector lights
Camera
Secure your doors, long screws in hinges and the metal bracket by the door knob, deadbolt, they also make anti kick door add-ons
It's not about being 100% secure.... It's about being a tougher target than your neighbors
eimbery@reddit
This is quite inaccurate. You have the right to defend yourself in Canada if you feel your life is in danger.
The only time people have been charged is when said intruder is shot when they are already fleeing the property. (no longer a threat) even then some of these cases were thrown out
eimbery@reddit
Anyone that breaks into my home will catch the cold end of a barrel. I’ll take my chances with a jury of my peers.
Anonymo123@reddit
Steel front door with deadbolt. Not the type with large screens you can cut through.
Done leave car FOBS close to front door, up stairs or in signal blocking bags.
If you have the money, reinforce your glass with the film that prevents it from easily breaking.
Again, not cheap replace screens with anti-cut versions.
No glass on the front door to make it easy to break into.
Lights on at night, motions lights, use the smart bulb that comes on at dusk and off at dawn.
If you aren't always there, lights on timers.
shrubs\etc around outside windows that have thorns, hard to deal with.
replace all exterior doors hardware with long strong screws that go into the studs, not the weak little ones it comes with. Like this https://www.amazon.com/Reinforced-Door-Deadbolt-Screwdriver-Resistant/dp/B0CHXCRMLS
reinforce the inside with some sort of bar. I use something like this https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-Zinc-Plated-Solid-Door-Stop-15369/202034085 with a 2x4 across it for my back door from the outside to the garage. Amazon sells smaller things for other doors.
reinforce the exterior doors with things like this https://www.amazon.com/Defender-Security-11026-Reinforcement-Construction/dp/B00FB29LZW
signs outside stating you have a security system, even if you don't. If you don't buy some fake window sensors and stick them on outside windows so it looks real.
cameras, real or fake with blinking LEDs. A real NVR or at least a few cloud based cheap wifi cams if nothing else.
If you can manage it, find a place to make a safe room to retreat to if needed. Get creative.
None of this will PREVENT a determined person from breaking i, IMO it makes it more difficult or not easy so they move onto the next place. Reinforcing the doors will give you more time to deal with the issue, every second counts if someone is trying to kick your door in.
Just some ideas lol
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Jabbott23@reddit (OP)
I appreciate this thank you I will have a look at those links & see if I can find the items in Canada. I want to make it difficult so they would give up rather than risk being caught by standing out there for too long.
RGundy17@reddit
Canadian law is super strict about firearms and self-defence. IIRC correctly, pointing even an unloaded gun at someone can get you jail time
And yet somehow, through legal magic, you can be completely exonerated for using a shotgun to murder a young native guy for attempting to steal your pickup truck
Canadian “justice” 🤷♂️
AZ2986@reddit
Do you have a basement? Our community group had someone break into a house to the basement, and they killed the power (I assume to turn off any cameras). Aside from adding basement window locks, another great idea is to plant roses outside of basement windows. Anything to make your house look less appealing/more difficult to break into.
Tiny-Government-9676@reddit
Well first of all, you’re gonna need to gather some supplies... Home Defense Plan
sardoodledom_autism@reddit
Shotguns are legal in Canada right?
Buy a full sized moose furry suit so after you pop the intruder you can dress him as a moose and claim it was a hunting accident
Bonus: hunting permit may be required
Ratfor@reddit
Canadian here.
You absolutely have a right to defend yourself, but only with as much force a is "reasonable". But that's not what your post is about so let's ignore that.
Have you considered just fortifying your home? A basic door jamb reinforcement kit isn't that expensive. Bars on the windows or 3m security film. Maybe a heavier deadbolt.
Cameras are not a deterrent. They're a sign you have something to protect.
okunivers@reddit
Ok so no cameras?
Ratfor@reddit
No, keep the cameras, but you need the physical security to back it up
Former_Ad_8509@reddit
We are so fucked here... It's illegal for me to carry pepper spray in my purse because it's a weapon. Cabela's has nice coyote repellent or bear mace though.
But for your question, I think it's about taking decision and action that you're comfortable with. Good luck buying a gun and bullets. But crossbows are not regulated.
The whole issue about self-defense and property deffense is a real problem here. Police won't do shit and you're expected to bend over and hand the car keys off? Yeah sure...
okunivers@reddit
Is dog spray legal?
Former_Ad_8509@reddit
I have koyote repellent (spray) it says it's for dog or coyotes! 20$
Jabbott23@reddit (OP)
Not to mention there's even rules about what you can and can't record on your own property. Apparently you cannot record the audio of intruders if you are not also part of the conversation. So if my camera records intruders having a chat in my driveway while trying to break in than that's a crime is what I understand.
Former_Ad_8509@reddit
This is completely ridiculous. We cater to the criminals above the regular citizens. Eventually a shift is bound to happen.
Holiday_Albatross441@reddit
As crime rates rise and criminals become more brazen and violent, all these nice rules for high-trust societies are increasingly going to be ignored.
I remember a farmer in area where rural crime has been exploding saying a couple of years ago that his farm equipment could dig a thirty foot hole by morning so he didn't plan to call the cops if they came to his place.
Former_Ad_8509@reddit
100% Canadians are less and less willing to rely on a system that is consitently failing us.
Berkee_From_Turkey@reddit
There's a lawyer dude on YouTube, channel name is Runkle Of The Bailey. He has a very recent video that talks about this stuff. Recommend you give it a watch!
Former_Ad_8509@reddit
I dont know if you know this case but it's worth the read https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/basil-parasiris-laval-police-1.5025169 Police raided this guy's home around 5am and they were not identified as police. The owner reached for his gun, shot and killed one of the officier since he thought he was a victime of a home invasion. He was aquitted in court!
Berkee_From_Turkey@reddit
I'll read up on it! Our laws are definitely not as black and white as the US but we certainly aren't hopeless in defending ourselves. I really do think more people need to be learning and educating themselves and each other about what we can and can't do, legally
Former_Ad_8509@reddit
Thanks I will!
YardFudge@reddit
Dog
1etcetera@reddit
I'm from Texas, so it's difficult for me to understand this. Let's see...
1 2-3 big dogs. I have 3. If anyone is brave enough to go through them, they deserve what's next.
2 [how does one defend themselves without weapons]... Wasp spray, bear spray, oven cleaner.... temporarily blind/suffocate said intruder. Introduce an ice pick to their ear drum. Perhaps a lobotomy while you're at it. Are those legal there? Then send them on their way.
3 Are homes easy to get into there? Are bars on windows a thing? That's a very Cali answer. I'd be looking at how to secure my home if I wasn't able to defend it.
This may be the most difficult one:
4 Make a plan, a real plan, to move.
And remember, dead men tell no tales.
-Raskyl@reddit
Metal or heavy solid wood doors without windows, or with only a small window at the top. No windows next to your door that could be broken and reached through to unlock the door. Also door security bars. They make bars that lock into your floor and door at an angle, acting as support in case someone tries to kick in your door. Not hard to place/remove for when you are asleep or in for the night. They also make ones that go across your door anchoring to studs in the wall on each side. Barred windows, they work, simple as that. Home alarms. Even if they only make noise and don't actually call the police for you. It might be enough to make a criminal flee because of the added attention. Motion sensor lights, always good. Security cameras, which it sounds like you have. But add a sign making sure they also know you have security cameras, that record to an offsite cloud. Dog, always good, especially if it's big enough to look like it could cause some pain. Baseball bat or wood bokken or just a really stout decently heavy stick in an umbrella rack by the door, just in case. Pepper spray gel in a drawer in your entry hall, and in your kitchen, and bathroom, and bedroom. Make sure your kids understand what it is, and how it works. Spend the money to buy some extra and let them use them while outdoors in the backyard, spraying at a rock or something. Make sure they know how they work. The gel or foam or whatever is nice for indoors because it has blowback on the user. Tazers also work pretty well. Can keep one in your bedroom or elsewhere you can readily grab it in case.
If you hypothetically are willing to break the law and potentially go to prison for defending your family....there are a lot of things you can do. If you have small children or even not small children, I understand not wanting to leave weapons around. But, paper plates and some spackle make a great drywall patch, that happens to be easy to punch through. Can hide a baton, or knife, or other weapon in the wall in every room of your house, patch over it. Then place a poster or other marker so you know exactly where to hit to recover said weapon.
Lee-oswald@reddit
I can tell ya my story of a home invasion but I don’t live in a major city my house was kind of rural/ townish
mickolas0311@reddit
Look into byrna systems. https://byrna.com/?srsltid=AfmBOopI3WGqvt_51VfL10L3aK_vXi-PjZjpiI4xwpLRQXEGUKyarxIY
Radiant_Lychee_7477@reddit
r/homedefense
steve_o_mac@reddit
So, to the easy stuff first. There are numerous ways one can reinforce doors and windows - and some of them are quite cheap. One downside of these methods is that they are largely unavailable to renters :( Another downside is the ridiculous amount of bs info and products out there. You have to have a threshold of knowledge to identify it. And you could piss away a lot of money and actually make it easier to break into your place.
Now for the far more complicated stuff. Do you have the right to defend your person (and by extension those in your household) from bodily harm? Yes. But even if you do, expect a lengthy and expensive legal battle to clear your name. If you find yourself in a situation where you have had to defend yourself or a loved one, do NOT say anything to the police other than 'I will only speak to my lawyer.' They will say a bunch of stuff, pretend to be your friend, whatever. They are not your friend(s.) Cover your ass and only speak to a lawyer.
Akin to this - if you are financially able, have a lawyer on retainer. Even a $500 retainer fee on a junk lawer to firewall you from the police while you find a competent one is money well spent imo. If you end up going the public defender route, expect them to aggressively push a plea deal.
Assuming you are within cell coverage, call 911 as soon as the hairs on the back of your neck start to pop. And keep that line open! Even if that means stuffing your phone into your pocket so your hands can be free, the audio will still be recorded!
Attempt to de-escalate as much as possible. Please leave. Leave now. The police are on the way, you need to leave. Those are all good phrases that go a LONG way in court.
Getting back to rights - in Canada, with the Law as Written, we do not have the right to defend property. When it comes to legal matters, there are 2 critical things - laws as written and case law / established precedent. There was a case a while back (in Alberta, if memory serves) where a person was charged for defending their property. The result of the case was very interesting - at least to me. It shouldn't be hard to find many articles about it.
Anyway, wish you the best :) Feel free to fire a pm if you want a few tips on reinforcing doors :)
DogtorDolittle@reddit
Brush up on our self-defense laws. Canadian law very clearly states you are allowed to defend your life, and the life of others. There are limits, and certain things you can not, or have to, do.
If you can afford it, consult a lawyer on your rights and obligations under the self-defence law.
Make a plan. Do drills with your kids. If you don't already play baseball with your kids, start now. Keep the bat, gloves, and balls in the location you'll lock yourselves into if someone breaks in.
kshizzlenizzle@reddit
Speaking as someone whose home WAS broken into (thankfully not home) and now live rural where it takes any response quite a while to get to us: I’ll give you the advice police gave us, and practical advice as a mom who stays at home with little people and used to have literal nightmares about waking up to someone assaulting me while my child napped next to me.
The name of the game is to lessen yourself as a target. Secure your doors and windows. Most burglars will test windows/kick in doors, and they definitely want to minimize noise. If you can, always leave a car at home when away on vacation. Secure doors and windows. On our doors, we opted for barred security doors, and where we had a porch, we barred across the front. I ended up loving this, because I could open up the doors while cleaning without dogs and children running out. You could also watch solicitors walk towards our house and immediately walk away, lol. It would definitely cause an intruder to look for an easier target. On the windows, we opted for solar screens. Not really security, per se, but made it harder to mess with windows, and obvious if they had been tampered with or cut. Loud noises will scare away most would be burglers, and there are some great, cheap, wifi kits nowadays that you attach sensors to all your windows/doors, if you remotely arm the system, it screams through the house if a door or window is opened. Same with professional alarm systems, but we also had glass break alarms, the sound of glass breaking will set off the alarm, and yes, we did accidentally set it off a few times by breaking a glass or dropping something loud, lol. When we lived in town, we had a speaker attached to the outside of our house, so if the alarm system was set off it not only notified police, but every neighbor for a half mile could hear it. Secure your closets and run family emergency drills on what to do in case of an intruder (or fire, or tornado!). We had heavy duty locks and shored up frames on bedroom closets. If an alarm were to sound in the middle of the night, each family member could quickly get in their closet, lock it, and it would take a battering Ram to get through. Even the most determined home invader set on doing physical harm would have a hard time getting through, and calls to police would have already been made. We kept one of our safes in our bedroom, so it would give us time to also arm ourselves. I know you don’t have that option, but you CAN have some self defense items squirreled away, so in the unlikely event you have to defend yourself, you’re able to collect yourself, gather your gear, and mount an attack to get to your kids. I’m well aware that their safety is priority #1!! Even if you don’t do any of the above, teach your family how to hide themselves in the event of a home invasion. Get in a toy box and burrow under, in a closet and toss a bunch of things on top of you, etc. Do NOT just crawl under the bed. Unless you have a lot of crap you can hide behind (which would be my kid, hah!). 😬
As far as self defense - get creative! It’s not illegal to have a baseball bat, or even better a golf driver. Practice your swing and learn to get some real power behind it. If you’re gonna opt for something more close range like knives, a baton, a blackjack, you NEED self defense courses. I’d like to say that adrenaline and fear will take over, but training will win every time. We like to think that when the need arises, we’ll fight like hell, but seriously, knowing how to hurt someone without hurting yourself is invaluable. I tend to be super passive, I don’t enjoy kickboxing, martial arts, but my husband has a black belt in BJJ and he was ADAMANT that I know how to properly throw punches, kicks, how to scrap against bigger opponents, basic grappling moves, and how to defend against them. 20 years later, and he still randomly puts me in some type of arm bar or chokehold and yells ‘DEFEND!!’ to make sure no one can surprise me, lol. There are a lot of great family gyms out there and you can make it a bonding thing. Plus, you’ll all improve your fitness. 🙂 You can opt for things like mace, bear spray, but in close quarters, it can get you as bad as it does your opponent. Things like that are good for keeping people and animals at a solid distance away from you. Definitely have their uses, when I used to jog our neighborhood at 4/5 am, I always carried mace in a holster as it was much lighter than my EDC sidearm.
While I’m on the topic: practice these same things when out and about in your every day life. Women, especially those with small children are SUPER vulnerable just running to the grocery store. I’m a bear about this with the women in my real life. Situational awareness ALWAYS. Stay off your phone, keep a protective hand on your purse, never leave your kids for a second. Predators look for distracted people. Make eye contact with strangers as you pass, that tells them ‘I see you, I’m taking note of you, and can identify you’. If someone was does accost you, you SCREAM BLOODY MURDER and try to draw as much attention as possible. Don’t get small, don’t get quiet. The last thing a predator wants is attention. I used to travel abroad a LOT, either solo or with my mom, and the number of times I’ve had men approach me, lay hands on me, try to distract me while a buddy moves behind me is nuts. The second I get a little loud and crazy is the second they back off with their hands up saying they don’t want trouble. Never be afraid to kick up a fuss and loudly state that you feel unsafe.
Halo22B@reddit
Stop voting Liberal....it's as simple as that
lilchileah77@reddit
Harper never changed the self defence laws the decade he was in power 🤷♀️
Halo22B@reddit
He also didn't appoint woke judges into the supreme court. Leaders set the trend, if you punish the law abiding at the federal level what do you think happens at the municipal level.
makinthingsnstuff@reddit
Get a big dog, put up breed specific dog warning signs(do this even if you can't get a dog).
One of my neighbors keeps a few baseball bats around the house. Im not a lawyer so can't speak on how the courts would see it but it's better to have some protection than none at all.
Stay safe, our city is getting worse too.
HundK@reddit
Welcome to the new world order!
Character-Profile-15@reddit
Move down here to Alabama get yourself a nice gun.
AfterismQueen@reddit
There are a couple of really good videos on YT that show how easy it is to get into a house and how to make those entrance points harder.
Things like motion activated lights, key locking screens instead of just flicking the latch, making it hard to see into your house through windows, etc.
BoGussman@reddit
I'm thinking a few strands of steel wire around your property and a good electric cattle fencer ought to do the trick. You shouldn't even have to worry about them getting into the house.
RascalKing905@reddit
Baseball bat, machete, rock salt gun, and a non bitch attitude.
Underhill42@reddit
I'll echo others: for safety your first goal is having an escape plan. Then an earlier line of deterrence like lights or dogs to dissuade casual criminals and give you enough warning to escape easily from more committed ones. And a weapon only as a last resort if they come after you as you try to escape. At which point you're likely choosing between a cell and grave in your near future.
I'm of mixed feelings on weapons. I keep an axe handle handy as something a bit dangerous and intimidating to scare off the occasional addict/petty thief, but unlikely to make anyone fear for their lives. (Only used it a couple times in my life)
A gun, or even knife, immediately escalates the situation to kill-or-be-killed for the thief, and you'll have to be pretty lucky to scare them away. Rule of thumb is "Don't draw except to fire. Don't fire except to kill."
From the moment you lay a hand on a lethal weapon, you may well only have seconds to live before your attacker kills you in self defense. So make sure you're ready and willing to follow through before you even hint that you're armed, and don't hesitate at all once you've begun. You probably want to get some firearm training specifically geared toward self defense, i.e. killing other people, before you even attempt it - we're really not psychologically built to kill other people, and only around 5% of people will actually attempt to do so when it comes down to it, even with their life on the line on a battlefield. Desensitization is a large part of modern military and police training/indoctrination since the "problem" was discovered.
Also, plan a kill zone if you can. If you can't easily escape the house, try to get your family to the other end of a narrow hall or stairway that will severely restrict the attacker's ability to dodge for several seconds as they approach you.
And send your kids someplace safe from stray shots first. Hollywood lies: bullets will barely notice most walls, tables, doors, etc. in their path. Laying down inside a cast iron bathtub is supposedly a decent option though, assuming you're not being shot at from above.
PeacePufferPipe@reddit
Take them completely out of the equation. That way, when you're being interviewed, you can tell them that he said he was going to kill you all. I'm reminded of a great pirate who once said, "Dead men tell no tales".
Achnback@reddit
Good to live in Texas. Get a perimeter primer alarm. Those things are loud and should scare them off, at least give you a heads up to grab you baseball bat
OGCarlisle@reddit
you guys cant even have shotguns?
Dummy_Wire@reddit
We can. We can have rifles too, and pistols as long as you had one before purchases were frozen a year or two ago.
They just (typically) aren’t allowed to be legally owned for anything but hunting, target shooting, and/or collecting. So like, owning my SKS and Mossberg 500 and whatever is fine, but using them defensively will almost certainly get me sent to prison on at least some charges.
jaOfwiw@reddit
Sometimes the shell being chambered is enough of a deterrent. If not, be prepared to take them out. Dead men tell no tales.
Dummy_Wire@reddit
Chambering the shell as a deterrent would probably catch you charges even on its own up here. Not to say I wouldn’t do that and a hell of a lot more if I had to, but still.
All you’d need is a cop on the day (when he shows up 5 hours after the fact) who wants to cook you, a prosecutor who doesn’t like guns (not uncommon in these parts), and to trip up and just tell the truth of what happened when filling the police report.
It’s just something I think a lot of Yankees take for granted. Your self-defence laws, even in your most restrictive states, are pretty unique compared to most developed countries where they seem to really not value that.
jaOfwiw@reddit
Meanwhile I go to bed at night with no concern someone is breaking in. I have a family and will treat an intruder as if they had deadly intent. Where I live though, I highly doubt anyone is ever coming to my house. Heavily wooded rural area.
As far as Canada goes, what do you think the cops or prosecutor would do if someone breaks in their house and decides to steal everything and or rape/murder? If they have the means to protect themselves, I bet they don't hesitate at all. So rules for thee not for me? If you can protect your family, do so.
Dummy_Wire@reddit
Oh yeah, it’s not really a huge concern for me either, thankfully. It’s just something that I see a lot of people in this thread not knowing is unfortunately the norm outside the US, and so figured I’d share the perspective. Your Second Amendment is incredibly unique for modern Western countries, and I see why your Founding Fathers put it in your Bill of Rights.
I have cameras, not many large 1st floor windows, an alarm system, and if all else fails, a gun and a shovel. But like you, the biggest help (for now at least) is that I don’t live very close to the shit-hole Toronto that OP does, where this is an ever-growing problem. That is a prep in and of itself.
celtickerr@reddit
Yes, as well as a small variety of semi Auto centre fire rifles and hand guns (although you can't buy handguns anymore, you can keep and use the ones you own). So I am allowed to own and use an X95 or Bren 2 but not an AR15. I can have a type 81 but not a VZ58 or AK. Brilliant.
Aromatic_Flamingo382@reddit
Just as the founding fathers intended. Tally ho, lads!
Unrulygoose415@reddit
We can - just a difficult and long process.
Holiday_Albatross441@reddit
Assuming you don't have any background problems that the cops would need to investigate it's a one day course and a few weeks to a few months of waiting for those checks to complete. Everyone should get a non-restricted license even if they don't plan to buy any guns.
As I understand it the big problem at the moment is that so many people want to do that that the training courses are backlogged in many areas.
OGCarlisle@reddit
so do that.
kadmilos1@reddit
My advice is to know the law. Think about that.
Dinestein521@reddit
Wow what good are your police then. No guns? I would get some bear spray then and put by every door
e7c2@reddit
get some bear spray, for bears. when the bears are breaking into your house, spray the bears liberally in their bear faces. The spray cans have a decent range, so you can spray the bears from a safe distance. You will probably get some in/on your own eyes, but the bears will leave because it is very painful and unpleasant, almost temporarily debilitating.
I had someone test bear spray on me and my kids (I am not a bear) while they were trying to liberate some items from the local dollar store, and I can attest to the fact that it is very unpleasant.
Aromatic_Flamingo382@reddit
The bear spray will make your house uninhabitable.
e7c2@reddit
realistically, so would having a bear murder your family in the house. Enough scrubbing and airflow can get rid of the bear spray residue, but yeah it takes time
Aromatic_Flamingo382@reddit
A lot less scrubbing to remove some blood, but I see your point - a lot of legal hassle it sounds like.Canada laws are backwards.
e7c2@reddit
I had my wages garnished to repay the guy for the bear spray he hosed us down with.
Canadian_Hosehead@reddit
FYI "police" didn't make that statement. One officer did at a community meeting and police said they disagreed with that statement:
https://globalnews.ca/news/10359055/leave-car-keys-the-front-door-to-avoid-home-invasion-toronto-police/
xandersmall@reddit
A representative of the police made the statement in an official capacity and then was thrown under the bus when it became a laughing stock to world.
Canadian_Hosehead@reddit
Yes, but it wasn't an official police statement. It was one officer who said something dumb. OP set it up like police had a press conference and made that statement, which isn't accurate. There's a definite distinction here.
xandersmall@reddit
Semantics, he was representing the police at a press conference and made the statement. That’s an official statement from the police, they only backtracked when they were roundly mocked and condemned.
Jabbott23@reddit (OP)
Thank you, I'm actually not in Ontario so maybe my local police were just "sharing" this & not making the statement themselves & I misunderstood.
Canadian_Hosehead@reddit
Interesting - I didn't realize it was happening outside of Ontario as well. In any case, what a dumb suggestion for anyone to make. Like we need better home defense laws - or laws that protect homeowners from fighting back.
Jabbott23@reddit (OP)
I agree. Lots of women here have partner's working out West for weeks at a time & are home alone with children, it's scary feeling like a sitting duck. The crime in my neighbourhood has gotten so bad we started a neighbourhood watch fb group & it gives me anxiety seeing my neighbours post photos & videos of property damage or people lurking around their property at night trying to get into garages and cars & feeling like I'm just waiting for it to happen to us.
Canadian_Hosehead@reddit
I'm a pretty large guy and I'm nervous too - like I'm going to fight 4 guys with hammers or people with guns, etc. In my mind I'm John Wick but in reality I'm McLovin' and there's no way I'm taking on people with weapons lol
But give homeowners the ability to shoot back and maybe things will change, dunno.
Subtotal9_guy@reddit
Also,
While people have been charged with defending property that was special circumstances (even known criminals get robbed apparently) so don't let the one case in Milton that got press imply everyone gets charged.
Secondly, with the exception of car theft, crime is still down over the past decade.
kirbygay@reddit
Not in my city! New Crime Capitol of Canada! Cool..
IDFKSomeGuyIGuess@reddit
Never a bad time to remember that you can just buy a spear head on Amazon and have it shipped right to your house. Just need to mount it on a hardwood stick of your preferred length. It's kinda the perfect melee weapon for a hallway.
jontaffarsghost@reddit
You’re allowed to defend yourself in Canada. Shit, that farmer gunned that kid down with a shot to the back of the head because he stole his ATV.
Hurtkopain@reddit
Something I wanna do is build a secret fortified, stocked room that's only openable from the inside to go in with everyone with buttons and phones/internet to sound a super loud alarm that would make any burglar not wanting to be there for another second. maybe put some smoke blowers everywhere while we're at it. some scary guard dogs barking recordings thru speakers too. maybe add a police chatter to the mix. some would probably still take stuff but at least family & pets would be safe and no one would get hurt.
Disastrous_Opening99@reddit
I would have to have a safe room built or move if you don’t have anyway to protect yourself the bad guys definitely have a way of hurting you they are not gonna put their weapon down and say ok here ya go sorry I broke in thanks for the car but that’s me
KAJ35070@reddit
I have lengths of PVC pipe on all of our windows so that they cannot slide open unless they are removed, think similar to how you would put one on a slider door. PVC is inexpensive and you can easily cut it to length with a hand saw, Not the greatest, but I feel like any thing that hinders someone may move them on from our home.
I also recently installed solar lights down the length of our house near the roof line to light the car area. I used two sided Velcro so far so good. Also added a hook and eye lock to the front door, again looking to make if hard as possible to get in.
Adol214@reddit
Automatic movement detector lights.
The cheapest upgrade you can do.
Extension_Guide_3813@reddit
Get a gun . Ignore all stupid laws.
Randomized007@reddit
That's insane. It is insane that you're legally not allowed to protect your property
kirbygay@reddit
No, we don't! There was a famous case a few years ago where a farm was being harassed by drunk assholes in a truck. They threatened to tie him up and rape his wife.
Found the wiki. It doesn't mention the rape threats of course. I do remember reading that in initial news reports. Anyway, the guy got acquitted and declared not guilty, but he got his name dragged through the mud and had to go to court for several years.
lilchileah77@reddit
He won on a far fetched gun hang fire defence. It did not set precedence on his right to defend himself or his yard.
Unrulygoose415@reddit
lol self defence itself is questionable here. We certainly do not have castle doctrine. Stand your ground - “you are permitted to defend yourself or your property. HOWEVER, you are only able to do so if your defensive actions are deemed reasonable under particular circumstances”. That “deemed reasonable” is what’s getting people in trouble here.
JackAndy@reddit
I'll start with rocks if you have landscaping rock. Lose any big ones that can be thrown through a window. Get the little crunchy ones if you can. They're noisy so nobody can sneak. Thorny bushes under ground level windows.
Rough_Community_1439@reddit
Use bear spray on your door knob. Imagine the pain when they scratch their face.
TheBiddingOfBobbles@reddit
The police ENCOURAGE allowing others to break the law?!
Shadowfalx@reddit
1) break ins are pretty uncommon.
2) when they occur it is almost always an attempt to find valuables.
3) most of the time they occur as a spontaneous action. Being the house that is harder to break into is the most likely to be broken into.
So, make your house the last likely to be broken into by having deterrents. If someone breaks in, try to stay out of the way, they are likely looking for valuables not your life and your life is far more valuable than your stuff. If they become intent on farming you, defend yourself with whatever you need.
Honestly, you don't want to kill someone defending your property. It will mess with you. It's worth the mental harm if it's protecting your family's or your life, but it isn't over a few grand of crap that insurance will repay.
Kradget@reddit
What have you done so far to make it more difficult to physically get into your house? Like, as far as your doors, windows, etc.?
That kind of hardware store solution is going to go a lot further in terms of time and money than trying to be ready to fight someone in the dead of the night.
No opinion expressed on the likelihood of that latter situation, just... You can cover more bases with less money and less risk by making this your first stop.
Terkyjerky99@reddit
If you aren’t prepared to defend your home and family with every available resource then ship your kids off to life with your father in law
Jabbott23@reddit (OP)
I am more than willing to defend my family with everything I have but as a 4'11 woman with no firearm what would you have me do? That is why I am asking here what my best options are for protection. I don't mean that to be rude either but if someone makes it into my house I feel like I have very little options at that point, even if I had something like a baseball bat I am pretty sure I could be easily disarmed because of how small I am.
Holiday_Albatross441@reddit
For now, breakins are usually opportunists who'll run away if they find someone inside a house they thought was empty, or pros looking for something specific who'll case the joint long enough to know when the owners will be around and what security measures they have. The former aren't a big threat and there's not much we can do about the latter.
So right now I don't think there's a big risk to worry about. Do basic stuff like lights and locks to deter opportunists and don't have something extremely valuable lying around that pros would want to steal.
As the economy goes down the risk will increase though.
Terkyjerky99@reddit
Get a gun
Unrulygoose415@reddit
They may have to do just that if they defend themselves/ their family “incorrectly”.
Terkyjerky99@reddit
Worth it
corneliu5vanderbilt@reddit
We need to be able to stand our ground within our own damn homes. Ridiculous laws.
jayrdoos@reddit
We have reinforced door jambs and security film on the doors and windows. Doors are solid and the film makes a glass entry take about minute of very loud smashing. Which is enough time to for us to prepare an appropriately.
kirbygay@reddit
What film do you use? This sounds very smart. Criminals want to be quick and quiet. Anything that messes with either or both of those are great deterrants
jayrdoos@reddit
BDF 8 millimeter. It’s not easy to install. Doable with patience. Practiced in the basement and garage windows first.
dhalem@reddit
Adopt a Great Pyrenees.
romanswinter@reddit
What are the legal status of stun guns in Canada? It's a non lethal form of self defense that you can look into.
Holiday_Albatross441@reddit
As I understand it, stun guns are banned but cattle prods aren't.
Might be tricky for someone to explain to the cops why they owned a cattle prod but no cattle though.
KreeH@reddit
Strong doors, door hinges, locks, ... maybe plant thorny plants near windows. Security screen doors are ugly, but they work. Consider setting one room up as a safe room with enhanced wall, door, ...
Papa_Woodie@reddit
Get yourself a German shepherd or 2, and get them trained, not so much as an attack or guard dog, but basic obidenence training and common commands. Have the kids attend the training as well. Treat them as loved members of your family, and if somebody intends to harm any of them, your beloved pet will do what comes naturally to them to remedy the situation. Also reccomend a reliable shotgun for the wife and yourself with a VERY bright light. Go to the range a few times to get comfortable with the safe operation of your firearms. The sound racking a shell should be enough to make anybody think twice about their actions, but above all else, you protect your family by what ever means necessary. The law will not protect your family, but you can.
Aromatic_Flamingo382@reddit
They carry you out or they carry them out.
You pick.
hadtobethetacos@reddit
Theres really no advice i can give you other than leave canada, which i know is probably not an option. When you can be imprisoned for defending your home and your family, its time to go.
JenFMac@reddit
Canadian and fellow Ontarian here. We have a semi detached home. Cameras front, side and back door. The one’s on the side and back have motion activated lights. Those alone are a good deterrent. That said, I have a bat by the doors and “coyote” pepper spray on a hook behind the door.
JenFMac@reddit
Fetch my turd! There’s an intruder who requires dispatching.
canuckbrass@reddit
Following this.
b18bturbo@reddit
Wow they would be shot if this happened at my house but forgot canada banned guns for protection. Are crossbow's/compound bow's illegal as well to defend your in canada?
Holiday_Albatross441@reddit
As others have said, you can use guns for protection here so long as you can convince a jury that it was the only viable choice at that time. Also they have to be stored unloaded and locked up or trigger-locked (or all three for handguns) so you'd need to explain how you had time to unlock the guns, find the ammo and load them before you shot the crooks.
And even if you get away with that after spending your life savings on lawyers, odds are they'll take your firearms license away.
jack-of-all-trades81@reddit
To summarize: you can't use a gun for defense b/c if you do, it proves it wasn't stored correctly. This is a crazy preference for violent criminals over regular people. It's crazy that people like you seem to be defending this standard.
Holiday_Albatross441@reddit
Yeah, exactly. If you can get the gun out and loaded in time to shoot the bad guy, odds are they'll at least charge you with 'unsafe storage'.
Not defending it, just pointing out why most people won't use guns to defend themselves here unless they literally are facing bad guys who want to kill them.
wisbballfn15@reddit
wut....
rstevenb61@reddit
What about Bear Spray?
Tallproley@reddit
You misquote our laws, you aren't expected to just layndown and get beaten up or killed without defending yourself but you need to have a proportional response and show it was your last resort rather than your goto.
For example if you had time to go to your gun locker, grab your rifle then go to your ammo storage, load a few rounds then went hunting a reasonable question is "did you call 911?", "no, an intruder was in my house!" But you had time to access your properly stored guns and ammo, "Yes my life was in danger and those of my kids" ok, but the burglar was in the garage, how was there such an imminent threat that you had 3 minutes to gun up and head out but you didn't have a nite to call 911?
Or didnyou apply excessive force last the point of there being danger, this is when you'll have a burglar get beaten with a bat, then even when he's down the homeowner stomps the guy for another 5 minutes. And GENERALLY, you're getting alot of steps between doing it and ending up in prison.
So with that out of the way, few things:
Light up your house exterior, criminals hate visibility
Keep your doors and windows on good condition, maybe install a kick plate in your doors as extra protection.
Connect with neighbours, be eyes and ears for each other
I am a big fan of using gardening to create no-go zones, a thieve doesn't want to try skulking about through thorns in bright light. You want pain and slowing, thieves like easy targets.
Get a dog, simply putting up a beware of dog sign won't do it if your neighbourhood is scoped out and they notice despite the sign you never walk the dog.
Have reasonable weapons around the house, by this I mean plausible deniabilty things, you heard a noise you grabbed a baseball bat from your gymbag, or a hammer from your toolbox, the guy jumped out the shadows and you hit him with what you had hand
jack-of-all-trades81@reddit
Yeah, that still seems like unreasonable deference to someone breaking into occupied homes.
this_guy_here_says@reddit
Get yourself a backhoe and a crossbow, the rest is easy
Steverino65@reddit
Bear spray. You thought the noise downstairs was a bear, a BIG bear, LOTS of spray.
destrictusensis@reddit
First, breathe, these are usually targeted. Don't have hard currency unsecured, avoid black markets, and if you have it on premises, definitely don't advertise. If you drive a G Wagon or recent Lexus expect added risk of theft, use your garage (you have one for an export theft worthy car I hope) and harden your entrances.
Consider an older practical reliable car, no one is going to steal it for export, and stress is lower.
brew_war@reddit
A barking dog is a great deterrent.
4r4nd0mninj4@reddit
Yep.
Lonelyinmyspacepod@reddit
I'd say the best thing you can do is get a big scary dog, they can protect you even if you can't protect yourself and also alert you to someone trying to break in. You can wedge windows shut with a piece of PVC pipe so they can't be pried open. You can cover your windows in transparent riot film so they are harder to break. There are door stops that let out a siren when the door is pushed open against them. You could put bars on your windows. Have motion sensor lights and cameras outside. You could even install a bar that crosses the middle of the inside of your door making it very hard to bust open from the outside. A LOUD outdoor siren would be great. Keep curtains on your windows so people can look in and see what you have.
arisenandfallen@reddit
Why are you guys so scared of everything?
Jabbott23@reddit (OP)
Wow thank you so much for all of the replies I'm going to go through them & make notes, I really appreciate everyone taking the time to reply.
Capital_Sherbet_6507@reddit
Make your home harder to break into in the first place. I have hurricane windows with laminated impact glass in them. I bought them because I live in a hurricane zone, but they are great for security. (PGT winguard is the product name) I had one attempted burglary through my french doors about 15 years ago. They were unable to break the glass using a bowling ball sized rock. They were similarly unable to pry doors open with a crowbar. The french doors have 5 point locking and when locked from the inside, picking the deadbolt does no good.
My other exterior doors are all fiberglass with a three-point locking system, and all exterior hinges have 3 inch screws into the door frames. You'll break your leg before you kick any of those doors in.
Even with a strong door, you can beef up your door with products like these. https://doorarmor.com/collections/exterior
I use their "Night Lock" product on the front door for extra security. Picking my front door lock while I am home is also useless because of it--the door is physically blocked from opening. https://doorarmor.com/products/night-lock-door-barricaide
I have two infrequently used doors--basement and garage. Those doors have additional security--internal cross bracing, i.e. a 2x4 mounted in a frame on the inside of the door. I also never open those doors from the outside, so the outer facing deadbolt cylinders are filled with epoxy resin.
Nothing keeps a determined attacker out forever, but by the time a typical burglar gets into my house, the police will have time to finish their coffee and donut before heading over. Which is the rosy scenario for the criminal. Because if I am home, I am not defenseless.
No_Wonder_4997@reddit
Cameras, a large dog, a rod on my patio door and a hammer under my bed.
Someone once tried to enter my last apartment during a 3 day power outage and my dog is the only thing that scared him off, because obviously no lights or cameras were working. If I were to have kids I’d probably train him as a personal protection dog though.
k0_crop@reddit
At this point just try to permanently injure the intruder and don't call the police.
nousefulideas@reddit
I have a doberman, works well. Cost of maintenance isn't too bad and worth every penny. Plus you can take it with you if you're going out for protection on the go. 🐶
kingofthesofas@reddit
I would invest in other deterrents personally. Upgrading your door to a stronger security door with long screws and locks that cannot be forced make it very hard to force entry without the right tools. Security cameras that are visible and a big barking dog also help as well. Make yourself the least appealing target and criminals will always go for the low hanging fruit.
crazyredtomato@reddit
The best way to prevent burglary is to be a difficult target with being obvious about it. The fact i, they will choose the easy targets first. And if they try with you and it doesn't succeed in a short time, they will move on to you neighbors (sorry, but my family first)
So a strong door (where the reinforcement is on the inside) with proper locks (with those safety hooks), Unbreakable glas, light on the outside / good visual from the street.
A big dog will also help to deter (in some regions a small dog is enough, because it's all about alarming you as owner or the neighbors)
A camera could help, but is easily broken or covered. And they signal that you are protecting your home, and thus signal that there's something to get.
I don't live in Canada, but have still some "questionable" defense utensils in my home.
As a Canadian, you probably have a ice hockey stick and puck (black thingy) in you home? I've heard they hurt quite bad if you catch one with your head.
Vesuvius99@reddit
Glad I live in the US. 12 gage 00 buckshot aimed midcenter no questions asked.
celtickerr@reddit
It is not actually illegal to defend yourself with lethal force in Canada. You should just expect a trial after you do. It is also legal to use a firearm for self defense, that just can't be the reason you buy it. You can use a gun like you could use a baseball bat or knife.
The best defense is making yourself an unappealing target. Have a large or medium sized dog that barks aggressively at anyone who comes to your door. Have cameras. Have a deadbolt.
Why ar they going to rob you instead of your neighbor if you have an 80lb German Shephard barking aggressively at them and they're on camera? They'll go next door.
MaxInToronto@reddit
You've gotten a lot of good advice in the comments already - I'd just add to not stress too much about it. Yes, our cops in Toronto have a bad (deserved) reputation. But the chances of a break and enter happening are very, very low. In Toronto, 2023 there were 7,643 B&Es in total. 3900 were residential. There are 1.16 million households in the city. Less than half of 1 percent of households experience this in the last year. The odds of any violence happening during a rare B&E is exceedingly low in Toronto.
Stay safe and secure, but don't stress the small stuff.
BurntGhostyToasty@reddit
Lights that are motion-detected, ring doorbell, alarm system that’s registered with the city so you get the government police sticker for your door
RastaFazool@reddit
post "beware of dog/ security cameras in use" signs. if you have an alarm system, post the alarm company signs too. little things like this won't stop crime, but they make your home less appealing to potential burglars looking for easy targets.
use extra long screws in all exterior door hinges and locks. make sure you lock all windows even upper floors.
have a radio and lights on timers when you leave the house to make it look like someone is home.
come up with a family emergency plan. explain it to your kids in a way that wont scare the shot out of them and practice regularly.
buy a shotgun, learn you local self defense laws, and practice shooting regularly at your local range. if you have neighbors close by, load #4 buckshot to reduce overpenetration. if you don't have neighbors nearby, use 00 buckshot. do not use birdshot, it does not have enough stopping power. study the layout of your home including egress routes and firing lanes, etc. if you choose to get a gun, make sure you are not firing in directions where your family may be. buckshot will penetrate multiple walls and still be deadly.
mount a high output flashlight to it so you can see what you are shooting, you do not want to kill an innocent person by accident. there are secure storage solutions you can buy to allow you quick access, but prevent your kids or anyone else getting to it.
onedelta89@reddit
https://youtu.be/vyTp1CH3p3c?si=NiJai_lUCVP0pj3H
stu_pid_1@reddit
Dig a deep deep well. When they break in, kill them and drop them in the well. They can't sue you if they are not alive
onedelta89@reddit
Door armor kits are a very effective way to secure doors. I don't know about Canadian statistics but in the USA about 85% of burglars enter homes by forcing doors open. If you can't afford the kits, you can still strengthen the doors with 3" deck screws. One in each hinge and to replace the door frame screws in your deadbolt and door knob. No lock or kit is 100% effective. Think of securing your home as slowing them down rather than stopping them.
Ordinary-Ad-5814@reddit
Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6...
No-Ideal-6662@reddit
There are sometimes I wish I was Canadian and other times I love being an American. In my state if someone breaks into my house, my wife and I are unloading ARs on them and asking questions later.
Firstly an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. I recommend a security system that is very visible with signs by the front door. Next have a big and “talkative” dog. Since Canada is not Stand Your Ground or Castoe Doctrine, I’d say keep a plethora of less than lethal options. Pepper ball guns would be my go to, a baseball bat would work well too. Definitely still have a gun, and I personally would still use the gun and not risk my families lives in trying to preserve the life of some thug, that said I do understand it’s a hard and personal decision. If you go to prison for defending yourself, how would your family survive? What are the risks of a thug breaking in and harming your family vs what are the risks of you using deadly force and getting sent to prison? I don’t know, that’s a decision you’d have to make.
knifepartyjc@reddit
I feel for ya bud, having laws that are restrictive to the homeowner trying to protect his family. A friend's home was broken into 2 years ago. They weren't home at the time. The burglar took all the electronics, tools, and some furniture. There were cameras on the wireless network with one camera having a slot for an sd card onboard. The burglar ripped all the cameras down off the wall and took the computers, networking equipment, etc... Unfortunately at the time, my friend hadn't set up cloud monitoring on his Reolink cameras.
The burglar entered through locked windows. Turns out, a small crowbar easily overcomes vinyl window locks. I now have additional locks on my windows due to this. In the end, I think the best thing to do is minimize the risk of being surprised without a weapon. This is hard to do 100% of the time,... bug I advise keeping a weapon on your person at all times. If a gun doesn't work then a knife at the very least with a few hidden that only you and your wife know about depending on your kids age....
Cheers legend,
triggy_cosineberg@reddit
I planted very thorny, very pretty rose bushes under my windows. I have two large dogs, one of whom has a deep bark and the other will not hesitate to bite (cattle dog, they're bred with the opposite of "bite inhibition"). The reinforced doors mentioned in other posts are a good idea. Window locks can be helpful.
Potential-Ad2185@reddit
Floridian police chiefs had different advice…don’t know if you ever saw that.
I’m not sure. What weapons are allowed? What dogs are allowed?
WasabiParty4285@reddit
Depending on your situation there are certainly modifications you can do to your home that can help prevent break-ins. Typically, you can think of three levels of security, warning away people, stopping them from breaking in, and dealing with them once they are inside.
The warning is obvious cameras, security system signs, barking dogs (even beware of dog sign), etc. The idea being that someone would look at your home and decide it would be too much work and then go find an easier target. These methods are less effective against people not thinking clearly or that are specifically targeting you. Many of these methods are cheap so there is very little harm in doing them (fake security system sign).
The next level is actually preventing someone who wants to come in. A lot of this depends on who you're trying to prevent and what your level of showing your paranoia is. Razer wire topped security fence with armed guard patrol probably will stop your kids from having friends come play at your house. On the other hand a simple schledge lock from home depot will stop your drunk next door neighbor from coming into the wrong house. Most thieves are looking for crimes of opportunity and aren't going to even be carrying a lock pick set so unless you're worried about a particular type of criminal at most your going to be dealing with a couple of guys with a prybar.
Getting a good deadbolt and lockset that actually fit your door is an easy first step. From there you can look into reinforcing the frame to make them harder to force. I'd add weather stripping just to ensure no one comes under the door and it'll help with home heating bills. Make sure every door is secured that way and have a motion sensitive light pointed at the door with a camera just so anyone trying to pick doesn't have time to sit there in the dark. It's probably worth adding hinge pins since they're cheap and don't make you look crazy. Windows are the next most common point of entry. Bars are the easiest thing to add though again at the risk of looking crazy or lowering property values. Depending on the type of window and house you have adding storm shutters and just closing them at night can functionally be similar without quite as bad of a vibe. You can also upgrade your windows to various levels of shatterproof/Buller proof glass at a higher cost. Also make sure you have good heavy curtains you close at night so people can't see in.
If you're actual worried about a 5 man squad of armed professionals (Hi Aurora) then your upgrading to solid doors or even flood doors and reinforcing walls because most of the time going through siding and dry wall is easier than going through a locked door. You'll also want protection from tear gas, smoke and fire. Most of the time at this level you should be doing a safe room since it's easier to secure than a whole home.
Lastly, what do you do when they get inside? If they really want to, it is almost guaranteed that someone can breach your home security. Of course of 5 dudes in bodyarmor kick in your door and know what they're doing. There is really very little you're going to do by yourself. A gun or a bat or a dog are just in their way. Delaying them so you can get away/some where safe is your best bet. So don't sleep directly by a door, make sure you can get to your kids without crossing the path of someone coming from an exterior door. Having a bedside gun and knowing how to use it won't hurt but mostly have a plan for getting out without coming across them.
But, if you're actually worried about squads of armored and armed goons caring about your house in particular to overcome your security measures before the cops come, maybe its time to think about moving and take the money your going to use to build your fortress and go somewhere safe.
OnTheEdgeOfFreedom@reddit
Can you cite the police statement? I like to track such things. Also, I thought Canada had laws on proportional force. If someone breaks in, you can, I believe, legally point a gun at them and tell them to leave. If they are so stupid they keep advancing, you should be within your rights to shoot them in the leg.
I've never had a break in, either in the Northeast US or Costa Rica, but then I've always had dogs. Everything I've read suggests that thieves don't want to deal with dogs and will skip you. While I've never lived in a high crime area, my limited evidence suggests that dogs do work.
I'm disappointed in your police. They're admitting they can't do appropriate patrolling, and are throwing a societal problem back on individuals. You pay enough in taxes that you should be able to demand better, and maybe your town should start considering elections as a way to get more attention on the topic.
DeFiClark@reddit
First step is to make your home harder to get into; in the US most local law enforcement have an officer who will come round and advise on better securing your home. Canada may well offer the same, or there’s always private security consultants.
Common means include:
window sash locks Steel frame doors Solid core doors Deadbolt (Medco) and police locks Kick resistant door chain Alarms with panic button by doors and in bedrooms Cameras Sliding door security bars Dog Motion activated lights
Vs dogs, multiple neighbors homes were broken into one night some years ago. We only lost the change in our parked cars; our German shepherd clearly deterred the thieves from even trying to enter.
zaraguato@reddit
I'd day three points:
Deterrence: cctv, automatic lights
Strengthening: reinforced doors and windows
Defense: weapons and the will to use them to defend life and deal later with the consequences.
New_Village_8623@reddit
I read on another subreddit to have your Alexa play “Welcome To The Jungle” at max volume as a deterrent if you hear an intruder. Makes sense and would scare the crap out of anyone sneaking around inside, especially if you could turn on all the interior lights through smart apps.
Calm_Historian9729@reddit
Just remember if the government and Police do find out about a break in to your home the first thing to be said is " I feared for my life and thought I was going to die" make sure they write that in the Police report!
Th3LonelyBard@reddit
Generally, in Canada, you're allowed to use force to defend yourself or others, and while it's illegal to apply for a firearm license for that purpose, you can still use firearms to defend yourself or axes or bear spray or etc.
Where it gets tricky is if you are carrying something for the purpose of using it in self-defense against a human, then you are carrying a weapon for a purpose dangerous to the public peace and that is illegal. If it's in your home, that's a different story cuz you're not carrying it in public.
Intent matters as well. Pepper spray is illegal because it is designed to be used against humans. Bear spray or coyote spray is not illegal to own, it's illegal to carry it with the intent to use it on humans.
Runkle of the Bailey is a Canadian YouTuber and lawyer that has a number of videos on it most recently
https://youtu.be/u2mRiW8fF5E
Calm_Historian9729@reddit
Isn't it great to live in a country where the government and Police are on the side of criminals! Lots of recourse if someone breaks in the trick in to hide the break in well enough that no one finds out lol! Try the usual camera's sensors alarms etc... make sure camera's are hidden and low enough to catch a face clearly!
SamWhittemore75@reddit
What can you do?
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Trygolds@reddit
Is your home a your house or do you rent. If it is your home a simple way is to buy solid interior doors. Have some way of locking them. Harden the outside as well. Heavy screens hard to breakdown doors.
RhodesianOG@reddit
Shatter-resistant window film on first floor windows (caveat; in the event of a fire, could make rescue/exfil more difficult).
Upgrade your door hardware with kick-plates, extra deadbolts. Disable garage doors each night. Upgrade your master bedroom door, and add deadbolts so you can safe haven while waiting for emergency response to arrive. Visual security on the exterior like cameras, to dissuade. Home alarm system. There are lots of options, depending on how much you want to spend.
LowBarometer@reddit
Look at your neighbors' homes. Make sure your home looks more difficult to break into. Your home shouldn't stand out... like you're wealthier. It should blend in but look more difficult to break into.
yung12gauge@reddit
The 5 D's of Security is relevant advice here. You don't have to make your house impossible to break into, but the more barriers you put between a criminal and your goodies is going to make your house a less attractive target, and will probably steer them elsewhere.
However, we also have a saying here in the US: "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." Sure, Canada might prosecute you for defending your home... but I'd rather be alive in jail than dead. Defend is the last of the 5 D's and so it should be your last option to use lethal force on an intruder, but if it does come down to it, you should absolutely do so. I'm not a lawyer but I feel like if you've done due diligence on the other 4 D's and someone still insists on breaking in, you have a pretty good argument for self defense.
AAAAHaSPIDER@reddit
I fenced in my front yard and added "beware of dog, keep gate closed" signs. I have two large dogs so it helps that people see them sometimes. We also have visible and hidden cameras. A solid old wood front door, and padlocks.
HornedRectomy@reddit
Fuck that. The safety of myself and Francine’s before the law in our home. I’ll throw an axe, or knife at the intruder without hesitation and follow up with more aggressive attacks until neutralized. If the police have a problem with this afterwards a lawyer will be used.
lucianspy@reddit
A dooricade or similar product would prevent anyone from breaking in through your front door while you are home. This is of course provided A) they don't pick your locks B) they don't enter through a window and C) your exterior door(s) are exterior home fire doors and not the ornate mostly glass ones.
aegisone@reddit
Make your property well-lit, I have my outdoor lights on a timer so they're on at night. Also when I'm away, I have wifi lights that randomly will shut on and off during certain times to mimic occupancy. Replace door hinges and locking hardware screws with longer screws. You can get break-resistant film to go over glass at your points of entry. Other than that, I'd be locking myself in my room and hoping they don't come in and something bad has to happen.
Shrimp_Titan@reddit
Make sure you have a strong door ‘steel is best’ and at least 3” screws securing the frame. If you have glass or windows by the door get them coated with smash proof film.
Consider getting a dog that is well trained and will alert you to potential intruders.
A-dub7@reddit
God has laws, the 10 commandments. Society has multiple laws depending where you are at. Then there's my laws in my home that supercedes Societies laws, anyone force their way into my home, that threatens me and my family's well-being and they will be turned into hamburger meat and fed to the gators. I will deal with the consequences afterwards.
DannyWilliamsGooch69@reddit
Rather ve judged by 12 than carried by 6