Book worth the purchase?

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SufficientAction5070@reddit

I came here with the same question, then looked on Joel Lambert's fb page. He made a video showing many imposter books that tried to copy his. To know if you're getting his book, he has links on his fb page to purchase it. https://www.facebook.com/100044188011213/posts/1097669631715960/

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Practical-Road555@reddit

Thanks for the link to his Verified Facebook account page, and your comments. I ordered his book via the link on his page.

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Jagglebutt@reddit

So the link I selected from the Facebook page eventually took me to "digistore24" seemed a bit sketch. Is that where you ordered from and if so was it an authentic copy of the book?

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Practical-Road555@reddit

Hi, the digistore24 is where I ordered Joel Lambert's book in March 2025 and the book I received is as what you see in his video at his Facebook page (not Xeroxed papers, like someone mentioned elsewhere). The extensive content is definitely geared toward homeowners with yard space, rural living, or homesteading; but marketing materials said information is applicable to urban settings. I'm a city dweller, apartment tenant in a midrise building, living in about 500 sq ft, with a 10x20 foot garden leased elsewhere in a city-owned organic gardening site. There is some information in the book I can use.

A bit later I purchased these two books by John "Lofty" Wiseman, 'SAS Urban Survival Handbook', the companion to his "million copy best selling" 'SAS Survivial Handbook: The Ultimate Guide to Surviving Anywhere', 3rd edition. 2014. Published by William Morrow,an imprint of Harper Collins. On the back cover is a blurb by Outside [Outside, Inc., or their magazine 'Outside'], "Written by John Wiseman, former survival instructor for Britain's elite Special Air Service (an all-conditions strike force considered by some to be tougher than the U.S.Navy SEALs), the book addresses every conceivable disaster scenario....Don't leave home without it."

Hope this helps!

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RogerThat_Tyler@reddit

Came to Reddit because I clicked an ad for this on instagram and ended up on some sketchy website for the payment. Thank you for this!

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theyogidentist@reddit

THANKS!

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3Dcatbutt@reddit

I haven't read either but I think you should be give as much credence to "A SEAL's Guide To Bugging In" as you would give to "A Dentist's Guide To Motorcycle Repair."

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preppers-ModTeam@reddit

Your account is suspended. You’ll need to create another one. Try to be more helpful to earn more karma. Good luck with your next account.

I’ve read A Navy SEAL’s Bug-In Guide, and I got exactly the same impression — it’s more of a book about countryside living. The author isn’t a professional farmer, though.

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Impossible_Ad4205@reddit

Thats just Ignorant. Navy Seals are trained for yrs n Know all about Bug in & Out. I know cause Im Married to one. Later

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Acceptable_Bit2372@reddit

How do you know that if you haven't read either? Joel Lambert wrote the original book and his book is the most complete, with photos and tables.

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LesbianHiker@reddit

Why would and how can you say that if you haven’t read the book?

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Trick_Office_4965@reddit

I agree 100%. Furthermore, a close friend of mine is retired a Navy EOD officer whom accrued several special forces certifications over his career. My point being, every recommendation and piece of advice he has given me is beyond invaluable. I'm gonna check it out, if the author is indeed a retired SEAL; I have no doubt it will have lots of valuable info.

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Cute-Consequence-184@reddit

If you are in the US, download the Libby app and search for ebooks. Download and read and if you like them, purchase.

You can borrow most books for 1 hour on archive.org and see if it is worth buying and that works in many non US countries.

You can also borrow prepping magazines in Libby and book authors often write magazine arrivals you can read.

There are also other libraries like cloudLibrary that does not have apps but you can check out books just the same.

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According-Peace-6938@reddit

Thanks for the tip about Libby my friend!

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Cute-Consequence-184@reddit

It is great you can read them easily on larger screens, especially the prepping and homesteading magazines. And that you get to preview books you might later want to buy the hard copy.

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ash_repeat@reddit

I don’t see the Joel Lambert version (original book?) on Libby :(

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pranaman@reddit

Just saw an ad for this on Instagram https://www.buginguide.com/

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ifnot3@reddit

Thank you for reminding me of resources I really need to take advantage of when I can. Coffee also kicked in. 😊

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robbhurst@reddit

I think the Joel Lambert is the “real” one. I love getting books so would get both if used and cheap. I think they are pretty new.

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rengirlmilli@reddit

A friend who was a former infil told me that this was a good one. Going to buy based on his recommendation.

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No_Ambassador4259@reddit

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

The antibiotic advice was comically bad.

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paddycakepaddycake@reddit

What does it say about antibiotics?

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Mentions three antibiotics if I remember correctly. Two of which should not be used by people who are allergic to penicillin. The third antibiotic was ciprofloxacin I believe which has limited use.

Basically if someone has a penicillin allergy they are screwed if they were depending on this for information.

I’d have to reread it, but I don’t recall it mentioning medication allergies at all.

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LesbianHiker@reddit

Cipro is a broad spectrum antibiotic effective for many types of deadly bacteria infections.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Depends on what you call broad spectrum. I wouldn’t call it broad spectrum. Either way, in the context of developing a supply of antibiotics to treat commonly encountered infections that can be treated with oral antibiotics. You will be really limited with just ciprofloxacin.

Its usage for skin infections, so cellulitis, is sub-optimal with high risk of treatment failure. It has poor coverage of strep pneumoniae for pneumonias and ear infections like otitis media.

It’s useful for UTIs and pseudomonas coverage, but in a SHTF scenario pseudomonas is going to be an uncommon encounter. A UTI could be more easily treated with other antibiotics that will also cover other common infections more easily.

If I’m in some society collapsing scenario and all I had was ciprofloxacin I would take it, but it would not be my first choice to stockpile for an antibiotic reserve.

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johnnyrc48@reddit

Could you make a list & uses?

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Been busy, but at some point I want to make a SHTF antibiotic guide with the caveat that it really is meant for a society collapsing event and should never be referenced otherwise.

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EasyKick66@reddit

Cipro is a fluoroquinolone antibiotic and those are extremely dangerous. I know one person who had spontaneous rupture of his Achilles tendon after taking cipro and another who had psychiatric disturbances after taking Levaquin, another fluoroquinolone antibiotic

Google cipro + floxed.

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paddycakepaddycake@reddit

Ahhh I see. I remember something about cipro being contraindicated for people with some sort of connective tissue disease because it might cause aortic swelling and chances are people don’t even know they have that sort of disease. Also how would the regular Joe Schmo procure antibiotics if things go to shit? Like is he telling us to grow fungus to get penicillin?

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

It had natural herb advice, but idk how the average Joe would do anything with it. SHTF ,and we all are going to turn into herbalists and botanists with the snap of our fingers. It just wasn’t realistic.

In terms of getting antibiotics, you would need to have them beforehand or salvage them from a pharmacy or abandoned medicine cabinets.

While not to meant to be medical advice. Ciprofloxacin is safe for the general population to take.

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EasyKick66@reddit

Google cipro + floxed. I wouldn't take it or any other fluoroquinolone antibiotic.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

I’ll stick to my medical degree, my ABIM certification, and the numerous times I’ve given ciprofloxacin without issue.

Everyone go talk your physician about what antibiotic is best for you. Reddit isn’t for medical device.

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EasyKick66@reddit

Well, my friend had spontaneous tendon rupture on his Achilles tendon after taking cipro and another had serious psychiatric disturbances after taking Levaquin, but you do you.

I wouldn't risk it.

Honestly, if I were you, I'd research it more. You have the background necessary to understand what you're reading.

It's not like you or any medical professional knows everything. Maybe you'll learn something new and helpful.

Would you take Larium (mefloquine), knowing everything we know do about it now? That's a quinolone, too, I think.

I don't think the UK or US militaries use it anymore.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Side effects aren’t immediately contraindications. If we had that criteria, we couldn’t use any antibiotics.

This is a common problem amongst laymen doing medicine. Every mole hill is made into a mountain.

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EasyKick66@reddit

When my friend had spontaneous rupture of his Achilles tendon after taking Cipro, he told his doctor, who immediately started researching it.

That's what a good doctor does.

One thing you can never say -- that you weren't told.

Btw -- I noticed you dodged my Larium question.

Smh.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

I'll let you in on a little secret. I already knew about that side effect for cipro. We avoid it when we can, in the elderly. Even then, its not contraindicated. See how you dodged addressing side effects not being an immediate contraindication.

Mefloquine is not a fluroquinolone. It's not commonly used now. Not sure what the point of brining it up was. Like I said earlier, you are making mountains out of mole hills.

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EasyKick66@reddit

I'll let you in on a little secret. You are a terrible doctor.

You've been nothing but rude and arrogant while all I've been trying to do is help people.

I don't want to see another person with spontaneous tendon rupture because of cipro and I have seen it. I don't want to see another person with serious psychiatric problems because of fluoroquinolone antibiotics and I have seen it. I know quite a few people who have been floxed -- the two I mentioned are the worst.

I do not know of any other drug that has affected as many people.

I want to tell people the little I know so they at least are informed of the possible dangers. That way they can make an informed decision when it comes to antibiotics.

If you don't need a fluoroquinolone, if it's not a matter of life and death -- don't use one.

I'm trying to prevent some terrible things that I have seen and you?

You don't care about people at all.

I've seen this with doctors many times, this uncaring arrogance, this contempt for "little people" like me.

Again, shame on you.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Go learn about public health and anecdotal evidence. Like I said earlier, making mountains out of mole hills.

Everyone please speak with your physician regarding your healthcare needs, thanks.

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EasyKick66@reddit

Have you read Bitter Pills: Inside the Hazardous World of Legal Drugs, by investigative journalist Stephen Fried? His wife was destroyed by one fluoroquinolone pill.

One.

Is it anecdotal evidence?

Yeah.

But do I know many people who have been damaged by fluoroquinolone antibiotics, two of them terribly?

Yeah.

Can I say that about any other antibiotic?

No.

So, why get your panties in a bunch when I advise that people NOT take fluoroquinolones if it's not life and death, if other antibiotics would do the trick?

What is your problem with that?

I'm sure it has something to do with you thinking you're better than ordinary people like me. You're basically proving you couldn't care less about ordinary people -- you know, your patients. In fact, you actively dislike us, hold us in contempt.

These are not good qualities for a doctor to have. That combined with your stubborn refusal to learn -- man you're going to hurt A LOT of people.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1EdDj5vqgP/

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

This is a prepper forum dude. The whole idea of the forum is dealing with situations where resources are limited. Meanwhile, cipro is the boogie man because of my small sample size of experiences is your viewpoint on the issue.

Are you going to suggest alternative antibiotics? Or just scare people away from ciprofloxacin? Oh wait you wouldn’t know how to actually treat anything because you likely never have before.

Once again, everyone talk to your physician regarding your healthcare needs. This guy is just going to scream cipro is scary because his limited life experience is equivalent to the reality of the entire universe in his eyes.

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EasyKick66@reddit

I know it's a prepper forum. So if people are going to prep, why not recommend antibiotics that are far less risky than fluoroquinolones?

You want me to recommend other antibiotics? I'm not a doctor. Why don't you recommend other antibiotics?

A decent doctor would have acknowledged that fluoroquinolones have been known to have terrible side effects and would have suggested other antibiotics instead.

The difference between you and me is that I put the information out there to help people make a decision. I don't claim to be a doctor. I'm just someone who saw two people crippled -- one physically, the other psychologically -- as a result of Cipro and Levaquin. I have known many others who had negative effects that weren't as severe. Again, I have never seen this with any other class of antibiotic.

I want to prevent those terrible things from happening to anyone else.

Can you imagine that happening in a SHTF situation? It's bad enough now.

You, on the other hand, want to both shame and silence me. You aren't concerned about anyone. You don't want to help anyone.

You just want to announce to the world that you're a doctor while you insult those who aren't.

I find it funny that you recommend talking to your physician. You're a physician and talking to you is awful. You're arrogant, rude, and insecure.

I would not recommend anyone speak to you. I would recommend they find another doctor, one who listens and who doesn't think he knows it all.

I'd also recommend everyone google "Cipro + floxed" or "Levaquin + floxed" or "fluoroquinolone + floxed."

Unless it's a matter of life and death and only fluoroquinolones will help -- don't take the risk. Request an antibiotic that is NOT a fluoroquinolone.

https://katiecouric.com/health/bobby-caldwell-death-floxed-antiobiotics/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amandagardner/what-does-it-mean-to-be-floxed

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Top tier argument. Ciprofloxacin is too dangerous to take, but you are not a doctor so you aren’t qualified to say anything else. Do you not see the flawed logic in that?

Talk to your physician regarding your healthcare needs everyone.

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EasyKick66@reddit

I never said cipro was too dangerous to take.

Why are you lying about what I said?

I said because Cipro (and Levaquin and other fluoroquinolone antibiotics) can be dangerous, can have side effects that can destroy your life -- terrible side effects I have personally witnessed in people I care about -- why take it if you don't have to? Why take it if there's a non-fluoroquinolone antibiotic that will knock out your infection without risks like spontaneous tendon rupture,psychiatric disturbances, etc.?

There's nothing flawed in that argument. It's just basic common sense.

And obviously people should talk to their doctors. I never said they shouldn't.

I have no idea why you're so hostile, rude, and obnoxious.

I know you think you're better than little people like me but really man -- this attitude of yours is going to wind up hurting you and your patients.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Reread your comments. Your point is basically cipro is horrible take something else. Which means don’t take cipro.

If you want to keep shaking your fist at the sky, then go ahead.

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EasyKick66@reddit

Yes, that is my point -- why take a dangerous antibiotic if a much less dangerous antibiotic would work just as well?

Tell me why this upsets you so much.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

You don’t know what other antibiotic to take, and you don’t know the risks of the other antibiotics. You’re taking very rare side effects and portraying the risk as being much greater than they actually are. Someone who doesn’t know any better, which is basically the entire population, will have an incredibly exaggerated fear of an antibiotic with no alternative to know to go towards or the risks associated with other antibiotics.

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EasyKick66@reddit

You don’t know what other antibiotic to take,

So? That's what doctors are for.

and you don’t know the risks of the other antibiotics.

I've never heard of spontaneous tendon rupture or psychiatric disturbances as a result of any other class of antibiotic -- just fluoroquinolones. And I've seen if first hand.

You’re taking very rare side effects and portraying the risk as being much greater than they actually are.

Am I? Prove it.

Someone who doesn’t know any better, which is basically the entire population, will have an incredibly exaggerated fear of an antibiotic

You think the entire population both doesn't know any better -- your arrogance is off the charts -- and is also listening to me?

Okay, then....

with no alternative to know to go towards or the risks associated with other antibiotics.

Again, they can just ask a doctor. But I wouldn't recommend they ask you.

Anyway, troll, have I given you enough attention? Do you need more?

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

This argument has gone in circles because you are ignoring any refute by repeating the argument that was refuted.

Go to UpToDate and learn about ciprofloxacin. You can search ciprofloxacin and read about systemic drug information for cipro. I’d post a link, but I’m not sure if that is against their terms of service.

You calling me a troll is like the kettle calling an egg black.

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EasyKick66@reddit

Looks like you want more attention!

You haven't proven my argument to be false.

My argument is this -- I've seen people suffer terrible side effects from cipro/Levaquin/fluoroquinolone antibiotics.

Therefore, I recommend people use non-fluoroquinolone antibiotics unless it's a life and death situation and fluoroquinolones are the only antibiotic that will work.

To prove my argument false, you'd have to prove I didn't say and/or think that.

But I clearly did and do.

You calling me a troll is like the kettle calling an egg black.

You're definitely a troll. I'm not sure if you really have a problem with idiomatic expressions mixed metaphors or if you're faking that.

you are ignoring any refute by repeating the argument that was refuted.

I don't know if that's a typo or if you think that's grammatically correct.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Wow this part of the conversation sounds familiar. It might be because you are going in circles.

You don’t even know the side effects of the other antibiotics you are telling people to use. You don’t even know what alternatives you are telling people to pursue.

That is one of the many problems with your advice.

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EasyKick66@reddit

Wow this part of the conversation sounds familiar. It might be because you are going in circles.

So? It can't bother you that much. You're doing the same thing.

you don’t even know the side effects of the other antibiotics you are telling people to use.

So? Their doctors will.

You don’t even know what alternatives you are telling people to pursue.

Yeah, you keep saying that. So what? Their doctors will know what other antibiotics can help.

That is one of the many problems with your advice.

No, it's not a problem.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

“ Therefore, I recommend people use non-fluoroquinolone antibiotics unless it's a life and death situation and fluoroquinolones are the only antibiotic that will work.”

Pick an argument. You keep moving the goalpost. Now your argument is basically talk to your doctor, but never take cipro.

What if their doctor says cipro is okay?

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EasyKick66@reddit

Therefore, I recommend people use non-fluoroquinolone antibiotics unless it's a life and death situation and fluoroquinolones are the only antibiotic that will work.

Yes, that is my advice.

Pick an argument.

I did.

You keep moving the goalpost.

No, I haven't. But even if I had, so what? Why do you care?

What if their doctor says cipro is ok?

What if she does? Who cares? As long as the doctor prescribes a n<

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

People might actually believe your nonsense based on your research that includes a sample size of two people.

You’re creating an unwarranted level of fear for an antibiotic that is commonly used.

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EasyKick66@reddit

People might actually believe your nonsense based on your research that includes a sample size of two people.

Oh, stop lying. You know the word "floxed" exists for a reason.

The fact that a new word was coined to describe this phenomenon shows how severe and widespread it is.

I am very close to two people who were severely floxed. That doesn't mean I know of only two people who were floxed -- and you know that.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP825rSvP/

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP82PvqDu/

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP825LLfV/

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP825jYkv/

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP825MBvc/

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8252xTS/

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You’re creating an unwarranted level of fear for an antibiotic that is commonly used.

It's warranted.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Oh wow, TikTok the height of thoroughness for medical research and decision making.

Meanwhile based on this, you want people to completely disregard an antibiotic even if their doctor wants them to take the antibiotic. However, you want people to depend on that same doctor to decide what antibiotic they should take instead. So people should trust an expert with medical experience, until they disagree with you. You being someone who is not an expert nor has ever treated anyone with antibiotics?

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EasyKick66@reddit

Oh wow, TikTok the height of thoroughness for medical research and decision making.

You said something about a sample size of 2 people. That was dishonest and manipulative of you.

Meanwhile based on this,

And you continue to lie.

you want people to completely disregard an antibiotic even if their doctor wants them to take the antibiotic.

I never said that.

Do you ever tell the truth?

However, you want people to depend on that same doctor to decide what antibiotic they should take instead.

Sure. Why not?

So people should trust an expert with medical experience, until they disagree with you.

I never said that.

You being someone who is not an expert nor has ever treated anyone with antibiotics?

Yes, I'm not an expert nor have I ever treated anyone with antibiotics.

So? So what? What's your point?

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

“Therefore, I recommend people use non-fluoroquinolone antibiotics unless it's a life and death situation and fluoroquinolones are the only antibiotic that will work.”

How does this not equal disregarding what antibiotic a physician recommends for them to take?

“What if she does? Who cares? As long as the doctor prescribes a non-fluoroquinolone antibiotic, it's all good.”

You sure that you don’t have a problem with a doctor prescribing a fluoroquinolone, and that you want them to pick something else? Does it not seem odd that you are ok with the doctor deciding what antibiotic is used so long as it fits whatever criteria you’ve chosen? Yet, you don’t have the knowledge to pick anything else? You don’t know the risks of the other antibiotics, but somehow you know they are less risky than a fluoroquinolone. Can you seriously not put these thoughts together?

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EasyKick66@reddit

I said, "Therefore, I recommend people use non-fluoroquinolone antibiotics unless it's a life and death situation and fluoroquinolones are the only antibiotic that will work.”

You heard, "you want people to completely disregard an antibiotic even if their doctor wants them to take the antibiotic."

Either you're lying and you know how ridiculous you sound or you're so broken you don't get it.

Either way, I can't help you.

But the second issue has me wondering if you're actually a doctor or not.

You said

Does it not seem odd that you are ok with the doctor deciding what antibiotic is used so long as it fits whatever criteria you’ve chosen? Yet, you don’t have the knowledge to pick anything else?

No, that's not odd at all. And any doctor would know why.

I don't think you're really a doctor

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

“What if she does? Who cares? As long as the doctor prescribes a non-fluoroquinolone antibiotic, it's all good.”

Are you just going to ignore this comment that you made? It shows that you want people to disregard a doctor’s recommendation to take a fluoroquinolone.

The longer the conversation goes the more credibility you are losing.

How much money do you want to bet that I’m not a physician? It will be the easiest money I’ll ever make. Don’t act scared now and offer a low number.

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EasyKick66@reddit

I said, "What if she does? Who cares? As long as the doctor prescribes a non-fluoroquinolone antibiotic, it's all good.”

Yeah -- and a doctor would immediately know why I said that. It would be obvious to any doctor.

Are you just going to ignore this comment that you made?

You're really getting desperate for attention.

It shows that you want people to disregard a doctor’s recommendation to take a fluoroquinolone.

No, it doesn't. Where in that exchange does a doctor recommend a fluoroquinolone?

I recommend that people ask for a non-fluoroquinolone antibiotic that does the trick. People may make that request before a doctor recommends anything.

If no other antibiotic exists, and it's a matter of life and death, then take the risk.

Do you see how that's different from telling people to just "disregard"?

Of course you do. Typical troll. _

The longer the conversation goes the more credibility you are losing.

What credibility? I'm just some guy whose friends had a bad experience with Cipro and Levaquin.

You're the guy pretending to be a doctor.

How much money do you want to bet that I’m not a physician? It will be the easiest money I’ll ever make. Don’t act scared now and offer a low number.

You're not a doctor.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

“What if she does? Who cares? As long as the doctor prescribes a non-fluoroquinolone antibiotic, it's all good.”

If you look at what statement the above comment was in response towards then your argument falls apart.

You going to keep dodging the offer to bet money since you seem so confident that I’m a doctor? To a reasonable person you look like you lack confidence if you refuse to do so with a meaningful amount, or you look like a typical Reddit troll. Either way you are losing credibility.

Keep playing dumb if you want. Any reasonable person who reads this exchange will obviously see that you lack credibility.

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EasyKick66@reddit

“What if she does? Who cares? As long as the doctor prescribes a non-fluoroquinolone antibiotic, it's all good.”

If you look at what statement the above comment was in response towards then your argument falls apart.

No, it doesn't. And any doctor would know why.

You're not a doctor.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Keep playing dumb. You losing as much credibility as possible is a benefit towards public health.

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EasyKick66@reddit

You're not a doctor. You are very worried about losing credibility, though.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

No matter how much you say I’m not a doctor. The reality isn’t going to change. Still waiting to see how much you are willing to bet that I’m not a physician.

You are continuing to lose credibility.

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EasyKick66@reddit

You're not a doctor.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

You’re not credible.

Have fun screaming at the sky.

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EasyKick66@reddit

There are many other people besides me who are speaking out against fluoroquinolone antibiotics

If you don't think I'm credible, that's fine. Plenty of other people know how dangerous fluoroquinolones are and they are happy to share that information.

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

If they defend their ideas with flawed arguments in the same way that you have, then your idea will be exposed again and again as being unreliable and exaggerated.

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EasyKick66@reddit

What do you think is my idea?

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

We’ve had this conversation already ,and you conveniently played dumb.

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EasyKick66@reddit

Well, that's one way to dodge admitting that you can't answer mostly question.

Fluoroquinolone antibiotics are dangerous. If you don't believe me, google cipro + floxed.

Never take a fluoroquinolone antibiotic if you can take a different, non-fluoroquinolone antibiotic instead. Why take risks you don't need to take?

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GreatPlains_MD@reddit

Anyone who has read this far into this exchange knows this has been debated already.

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EasyKick66@reddit

No one other than you or me is reading this. The facts you think anyone is shows how delusional you are.

And I noticed you still can't answer my question

Fluoroquinolone antibiotics are dangerous. If you don't believe me, google cipro + floxed.

Never take a fluoroquinolone antibiotic if you can take a different, non-fluoroquinolone antibiotic instead. Why take risks you don't need to take?

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Broad-Rub4050@reddit

I read this far and Easykick gives me serious negative antivax vibes despite both sides' arguments and presentation of assets. There seems to be heavy manipulation and name calling from easykick's side and as much as I want to be unbiased in reading this argument it seems true that Easykick's arguments are derived from an experience of a friend/someone they know and the internet. You realize these conversations live for as long as the servers they live in are physically present. This argument I will have to hand to GreatPlains for staying less angry and having more cohesive and legible arguments though both got heated understandably.

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EasyKick66@reddit

Well, you'd be wrong. I'm fully vaxxed. I got vaccinated as soon as I could and I get all the boosters, so, yeah, maybe you don't interpret things that well.

My experience derives from 2 good friends and then casual acquaintances. I was shocked at how many people had problems with fluoroquinolone antibiotics.

Again, why take the risk if another class of antibiotic would do just as well?

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Broad-Rub4050@reddit

I don’t give two shits what you think. I’m a god damn referee so let me be free. Really your attitude overwhelmed your argument and really lost its merit so, in my (the public’s) opinion, you lost. Sorry to hear about your friends’ horrific experiences though. 😬

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EasyKick66@reddit

I don’t give two shits what you think.

Uh...okay.

I’m a god damn referee so let me be free.

Um...all right.

Really your attitude overwhelmed your argument

My attitude??

You're really triggered over nothing.

and really lost its merit so, in my (the public’s)

You think you're the public? I think you're a sock puppet.

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Broad-Rub4050@reddit

What do you have against sock puppets?? 😤

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EasyKick66@reddit

It's cowardly.

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EasyKick66@reddit

I didn't call anyone names. But Great Plains called me dumb a few times. Nor am I manipulative. I'm very straight-forward.

Again, if you want to take the risks fluoroquinolone antibiotics present, go ahead. I don't see why you would, when another class of antibiotic would do just as well, but you do you.

And again, I'm fully vaxxed.

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Broad-Rub4050@reddit

I hope I never have to take fluoroquinolone and if I do I will be asking my doctor first about it and what they think. If they insist it’s fine I will resist and show them this thread.

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EasyKick66@reddit

You're not a 5+q

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EasyKick66@reddit

Therefore, I recommend people use non-fluoroquinolone antibiotics unless it's a life and death situation and fluoroquinolones are the only antibiotic that will work.

Yes, that is my advice.

Pick an argument.

I did.

You keep moving the goalpost.

No, I haven't. But even if I had, so what? Why do you care?

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EasyKick66@reddit

Google cipro + floxed.

A friend of mine had spontaneous rupture of his Achilles tendon after taking cipro.

Another friend had psychiatric disturbances after taking Levaquin, another kind of fluoroquinolone antibiotic.

They are very dangerous.

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Delicious-Job-7239@reddit

I ordered mine from Amazon. I just recieved it from China ( 30 days later) and the book is a bootleg. You can tell someone obviously put a copy on a printer and made another book. I tried to tell Amazon and they don't care. I'm sending it back for a full refund. HOWEVER, the information is a good read. I will be purchasing another just NOT from Amazon.

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Munro_McLaren@reddit

Di you read the reviews and see if anyone got a real one?

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johnnyrc48@reddit

I bet the one on Amazon doesn't have the bonus books

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LesbianHiker@reddit

A lot of sellers on Amazon will sell the real product to get good ratings then start selling counterfeit junk while still using a photo of the real thing. I have read reviews on this for books like these as well as electronics and even good name brand stainless steel water bottles. My son was taken with a fake Bose Bluetooth speaker that sounds like crap. I couldn’t even find one single legit seller for a battery for my Canon camera on Amazon because they had all done this. I couldn’t find a seller online at all so I had to drive 60 miles to the nearest camera shop.

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Still-Duck-4618@reddit

Stop using Amazon

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WastingMyLifeOnSocMd@reddit

Who do we use?

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MrsClaire07@reddit

Bookshop.com

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WastingMyLifeOnSocMd@reddit

Thanks

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Numblittlebicho@reddit

Thirftbooks is also good

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FagaBefe@reddit

Amazon has made shopping so much easier. Why stop using it?

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icannothelpit@reddit

Well, Bezos for starters but the main reason was listed above. The site peddles garbage from China. Almost none of the products are worth having these days. A few minutes of looking will net you a higher quality product from a smaller company that treats its workers better. Lots of companies are offering quick 2-day shipping these days.

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Abby_n0rmal_af@reddit

I have found with other books if the seller and shipper are both listed as Amazon, they in theory should be the real thing and easily returnable.

However…(and this is usually the case with a variety of products, not just books) sometimes people who buy the fakes will then order real ones and return the fake in its place for a refund of the full real purchase price.

It’s a pity Amazon doesn’t pay people enough and give them the time to verify that someone didn’t just swap a sticker or packaging.

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Aggravating_Map_2902@reddit

In your opinion,where is the best place to buy a legit copy?

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LesbianHiker@reddit

You’re lucky the scammer seller is letting you return it. There is so much of this on Amazon.

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Cindyshine999@reddit

Just following

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wasteland-wanderer52@reddit

Joel Lambert IS the author of "A Navy Seal's Bug In Guide;" whereas Josh Lowell wishes he was.

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Responsible-Scale-26@reddit

https://buginguide.com seems legitimate from all of the content on the page. It would be a lot to reproduce for someone to sell counterfeit I would imagine.

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Abby_n0rmal_af@reddit

This website is one of the ones in ads on FB. And while it does look more legitimate than the rest, proceed with caution.

As much as it sucks to play full cover price, I’m starting to think the best way to go would be to order books that are commonly counterfeited directly from places like Barnes and Noble in person and see if they still ship directly to the store.

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Responsible-Scale-26@reddit

As I dug through the terms on the payment page it looked concerning and was through a random site and terms are for “Digistore 24”… I did not choose to continue

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Sue1213@reddit

I purchased some other books on that site. It is a legit site.

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MrsClaire07@reddit

Actually, that IS the legit website, connected to Joel Lambert’s personal page.

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Abby_n0rmal_af@reddit

I can’t blame you there. My (now deceased) elderly parents bought books from sketchy sites like that and ended up getting slammed with different charges to the same credit card for months after, including a newsletter and subscription like membership fees to some online prepper group that was trash.

You might have better luck checking to see if there are any legitimate looking purchase review videos on YouTube and consider reaching out to the YouTuber to ask where they got it.

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-rwsr-xr-x@reddit

https://buginguide.com seems legitimate from all of the content on the page.

I'm going with a hard "No" on that one:

Domain Name: BUGINGUIDE.COM
Registry Domain ID: 2885351715_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Updated Date: 2024-05-28T12:03:06Z
Creation Date: 2024-05-28T12:03:06Z        <======
Registry Expiry Date: 2025-05-28T12:03:06Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 146

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Ok-Gap3629@reddit

Following

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Ok-Gap3629@reddit

Following

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Electronic_Milk_3719@reddit

I saw that book too!

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Remarkable_Cow_9064@reddit

I was wondering the same thing

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Bitter_Put8237@reddit

The one by Joel Lambert is the original book. Anything else that looks similar is probably a fake written by AI and poorly at that. Stick with Joel Lambert. That's the real deal.

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Ianto39@reddit

Per TT, the original/real version is by Joel Lambert, which has all the photos and illustrations. This is the one that amazon sells (for $38). There are other versions by various J L's, at places like Ann awhich apparently are what some AI program spat out after the original had been fed it, so no photos etc, ie useless.

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Brilliant_Log_1375@reddit

I’d like to know more. . .

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summmerwho@reddit

Looking as well

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eekay233@reddit

My wife bought me this book from an Etsy seller and it too was counterfeit.

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LesbianHiker@reddit

The seller probably photocopied it just like the Amazon sellers do. Or maybe sold the copy they boo from Amazon.

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Beautiful-Ad-4145@reddit

If it came across your feed, it was a scammed selling a forgery and what you will get will have a different title and the inside a bad forgery of the real book by Joel Lambert. If you really want to buy the book, buy off Amazon or a real bookstore. All the adds that come across Instagram and Facebook are scams. Pay pal is no help getting your money back and if you used a real credit card that would have kept charging large sums on the card. So buyer beware.

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LesbianHiker@reddit

Amazon is the best place to find forgeries. This is the second book that I have read reviews on Amazon saying it was a cheap photo copy. There are so many counterfeit products on Amazon, and Amazon isn’t policing it. It has destroyed my confidence in the company.

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LesbianHiker@reddit

I want to know too. Why can’t I see the comments?

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Vacuumseal4eZ@reddit

gang

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rabbittarius63@reddit

There are many Navy Seal's (This and That) available by different authors. It's hard to know who's the Original.

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Isis_is_Osiriss_sis@reddit

Looked at the preview info online and skimmed a scribd (or some similar site) text only pdf that purports to be it (same title and author, copyright info from 2023), but isn't consistent with previews. I'm generally skeptical of these guides, so this will be pretty critical. It doesn't mean the guide is necessarily useless or won't be good for someone else.

When I look at these kinds of guides, I ask whether it would be better than simply printing the information off of the internet (in this case, this sub's wiki section).

Previews The food section seems to spend significant space on budgeting, price, and nutritional value by serving size. That kind of info can be outdated within a day. (Prices fluctuate, and adjusting serving/package size is pretty common).

Because the food section appears to read as a cookbook/meal prepping guide, it may be a waste of space for some. Much of it seems to heavily focus on Walmart's in-house brand (great value). While generally cheap and available to many, it may prove problematic.

The section on DIY home concepts seems to have QR codes for sales info. I hate paying for ads, but that's a personal thing.

PDF I found the file version appeared to be organized differently, and only lightly covered the subjects. No illustrations or prices like the previews.

There were around 14 chapters with about 30-50 specific topics per chapter. Each specific topic was covered in about 2-6 generalized sentences. There appeared to be some overlap between topics as one chapter was devoted to home security, 2 chapters were devoted to home defense, and a 1/3 of another chapter was devoted to self defense.

The pdf didn't have necessary reference materials for the topics. For example, the subsection on alternative energy sources doesn't cover peak vs running wattage or basic electrical concepts that drive the advice and become very valuable during any implementation. That may have just been in some illustrations that were left out of the specific format.

Overall Nothing seemed blatantly false or misleading. The info seemed very general, like in an introductory course on the topic.

If you have no baseline for the subject or the topics within and absolutely want something physical and professionally bound, it might not be a waste of your money. Some people here may have advice on better or worse guides or topics that weren't covered or weren't adequately covered.

Hope it helps