[Handgun] STI Staccato XC 9mm Optics Ready CS Frame DLC Compensated Barrel 17+1 - $4199 + Shipping (Add to Cart)
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Any_Performer5759@reddit
CS frame?
bradsredditacct@reddit
This or 18,000 rounds of 9mm?
JustCallMeLube@reddit
18000 rounds of 9mm or a staccato p with an atlas trigger and thousands of rounds
Bobathaar@reddit
you know that the trigger is literally just a shoe and a now right? One that you have to self fit into the plastic grip channel. It's not like buying an apex trigger kit for a glock or m&P.
The trigger pull and break on a 1911/2011 is mainly an issue of the hammer/sear/disco/3 leaf spring relationship.
The only thing the trigger bow determines is travel/overtravel and trigger pull length.
PaleR1der@reddit
The stock staccato P trigger is plastic, with the atlas trigger you get a fully adjustable trigger and it's metal. Not to mention you can change the length on it as well as the shape. It's totally worth it. Changing out the stock trigger is a must unless you like shitty plastic triggers lol
BaneTra1n@reddit
What’re your plans with all the stock staccato parts? 👀
PaleR1der@reddit
Only thing left is the trigger and the grip. Might sell the grip at some point, or keep it for fitting purposes. During the last custom build it was a lifesaver using it to handle the gun while I was working on it, the Cheely aggressive grip would have torn my hands up while I was trying to still work on the gun lol. The sear I ruined when I experimented with some jigs, the hammer is in my Mac 9 DS. The trigger is worthless but I've been using it to test fit stuff since I know how it fits the grip and what the measurements of are.
Bobathaar@reddit
Eh like I said, it's the least impactful thing you can do to the gun. The plastic staccato guns are also adjustable. There's a tab inside that you bend (same as on the atlas vario triggers) to adjust the pretravel and there's and overtravel screw you turn to adjust overtravel. The only things you can really do with the atlas triggers that you can't do with a staccato trigger is screw in the shoe deeper/more shallow or swap to different trigger shoes to adjust for trigger reach.
Plastic/metal is vanity and doesn't affect the pull at all for the part. While I don't like the flex in hinged plastic triggers, I haven't felt any flex or extra friction from STI/staccato trigger shoes so it's not something I'd care about from a performance standpoint.
So yes, while it's nice to have a trigger you buy that will get you the ideal trigger reach for your hand, on a list of things I'd "fix" on a stock staccato... it's pretty far down the list.... like pretty much at the bottom of the list. First, the actual trigger pull of most staccato's is pretty lousy... I'd throw out the internals and get an egw or extreme engineering ignition kit and hope staccato didn't fuck up the frame enough that it doesn't drop in. Second, I'd toss the shitty stock grip module and either get an extreme shooters grip module if I was being cheap or a pt evo metal grip module and fit it to the gun if I wanted to spend money. I'd get wider and maybe shielded thumb safeties... and then and only then would I even look at replacing the trigger bow/shoe.
Anyone who buys a staccato and immediately buys a trigger shoe just doesn't know what they're doing... pretty much money down the drain.
Electronic_Green2953@reddit
Have a P and C2 with plastic trigger shoes and a new C with aluminum trigger shoe. per staccato they moved to all alum triggers shoes. I don't notice a difference actually shooting the gun the only time I notice it is when I think about it when I dryfire. So agreed it is a vanity thing.
Chuynh2219@reddit
Thanks, as a new 2011 owner this provided me with a lot of insight.
Snoo76929@reddit
jeez how the hell do they get away with plastic triggers on $3,000 pistols and still have suckers lined up to buy them?
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PaleR1der@reddit
One of my points exactly, It's one of my biggest pet peeves with the guns for the price. Didn't like plastic triggers or grips. that XC has the same plastic trigger although the trigger pull on the XC is a lot better than on the P pull weight wise. But You can adjust all of the trigger characteristics with the stock components. When I got mine it wasn't bad but I did a lot of aftermarket work to it, including trigger, new grip, and new ignition system. The stock ignition system was fine the only reason I changed it is because I wanted a different hammer and I wanted all matching parts so I went with Harrison design. Buying wind with the stock system. I did feel pretty resentful knowing how much I spent on the gun and then dumping that much into it to get it where I wanted it.
MaybeVladimirPutinJr@reddit
but it's another name brand that i can list in my instrgram 'build' post.
DanGTG@reddit
Buy a Red Dirt trigger, at least you won't have to butcher your grip.
DonArgueWithMe@reddit
Or an alien laugo or something actually cool and unique
Milksmither@reddit
That thing better suck you off twice a month for $4.2k, jesus
Excellent-Feature-42@reddit
I’m just saying I pay a lot more than that to be married
notorious_hdc@reddit
You don't get sucked off when your married, we know that's all lies 😂
Snoo76929@reddit
get yourself a Filipino, I can't get her off me!
albinogorilla2000@reddit
Same bro…. Same
CannaChemistry@reddit
If it fits…
Bobathaar@reddit
mine doesn't chamber in 9mm :(
Mkilbride@reddit
.22 LR?
FartBoxActual@reddit
.... ^^^.22short ^^^:c
Bobathaar@reddit
almost fits in .959 JDJ
AdFeeling736@reddit
😂
DisciplineOrnery3490@reddit
You can tell that most people here aren’t 2011 people lol. $4,300 is pretty middle of the road to cheap for a quality 2011. The XC is actually a pretty good value for cost too.
Bobathaar@reddit
It's totally not. It's probably the WORST value you can get in the 2011 space. If you view the $2k price point as the entry level 2011 where you get a production gun with production level fit/finish, you see that for around that pricepoint you'll get like a staccato P, or like, a platypus or a 2311. All production, machine made guns with minimum man-hours put into it for fit/finish.
If you move up to like $6k, you are into the realm of semicustom guns where you get top of the line, "someone spent 15+ hours under magnification making this thing perfect" fit/finish. And if you move up to the $9k+ range you're into custom guns where you get to order features and aesthetics that are off the menu".
But the XC is a $4300 gun that is PRODUCTION. That is, you're getting the SAME quality in fit/finish as the $2k gun but you're almost paying semicustom price. So no extra attention to detail... no super special sauce trigger job... no one to make sure your parts wear evenly so your gun feels the same at 20k rounds as it did at 2k rounds. You're only about a grand short of the cost of being able to buy a semicustom gun where you WOULD get all those things, but you somehow choose to forgo all of it and instead get a $2k gun with a fairly ineffective comp (as far as comps go). I'll never understand why ppl think this is anywhere near "good value".
For the same reason that someone willing to drop that $2k on a gun and wants performance and quality is probably better off getting a staccato P than throwing the same amount of money tricking out a gucci glock, someone looking to spend XC money is MUCH better off saving another grand and getting a semicustom build from a 2011 maker that isn't churning guns off a production line.
Silvernine0S@reddit
Dude. Whenever posts about 1911/2011s show up, you almost always show up to show your fanboyism and the amount of great knowledge you share regarding these platforms. Great stuff! 😎
But yeah, I bought the XC and had it for a few months. Previously also had the Limited ICE Comp variant as well as the P. Greatly enjoyed the XC but still can't get over what you get for the price. So ended up selling it and using the cash to get my hands on a rare German-made Sig XFive P226 stainless with enough cash left over to partially put it towards nice glass for a future long-range rifle. Had the P226 over a year now and I have no regrets for that decision.
Also looking at the Platypus, the Oracle Arms, or save up further and go for the Nighthawk Sandhawk because I love how it looks and the FDE color palette.
Since I had the P, ICE, and the XC, I think the P is probably the most I would go for in Staccatos. Still shoots really well and more affordable. However, I have a ton of Glock mags and a decent amount of P320 mags so that is why the OA and Platypus is attractive too right now. But the Sandhawk looks so good...
Kiemaker@reddit
So this is the 2011 equivalent of Kimber?
DisciplineOrnery3490@reddit
I need to get off of this app. All of you chronically online motherfuckers arguing over everything possible at 1 in the morning. No matter what I say, “well AAActually” fuckin dorks all over the place
dmar4455@reddit
Even with my LE discount I’m not sure why I paid what I paid for it. That being said, I do love it an it’s insanely smooth.
GremDingo@reddit
Just don’t drop it.
LockyBalboaPrime@reddit
If you don't know shit about 19/2011s there are easier ways to admit it.
GremDingo@reddit
And tell me you’re a fudd without telling me you’re a fudd.
https://youtu.be/RMTe87kATmU?si=jGAhwJdtfWtyD9jp
gargle_le_balls@reddit
Tell me you can only afford glock without telling me you're poor
GremDingo@reddit
A fitting response from someone with a name involving gargling balls.
gargle_le_balls@reddit
Which sounds like what'd you have to do to buy the gun lol
GremDingo@reddit
Based on your intelligence level and lowbrow responses, it’s a strong probability that you don’t make enough to buy a Hi-Point. I don’t think you can put that on your EBT card either.
gargle_le_balls@reddit
K
LoadLaughLove@reddit
Holy shit you cited a literal shill as a source of objective information
LockyBalboaPrime@reddit
GT is trying to get your clicks and nothing else.
Everyone with any resemblance of 19/2011 knowlowge knows it isn't drop safe with the safety off. That is how the design works. That is how it has always worked.
GT "discovered" something that has been know since 19 fucking 11.
Only people who don't know anything about the platform were surprised by this.
NEp8ntballer@reddit
they aren't drop safe with the safety on either. On an OG 1911 firing system there is nothing stopping the firing pin from letting inertia take over and detonate a primer. It wasn't until the series 80 that a firing pin safety was implemented. A lot of high end 1911s forego a firing pin safety because it's borderline impossible to get a series 80 firing system to be as smooth and crisp as it was when JMB designed it.
GremDingo@reddit
Which is why everything you’ve said is so surprising.
CallsignFlorida@reddit
Touch grass and let people live their lives. It’s a great gun.
GremDingo@reddit
Sick burn, bro. Florida man strikes again. Work on those reading comprehension skills and you too can one day touch grass.
I never said it wasn’t a great gun. They are phenomenal to shoot. I said don’t drop it.
GremDingo@reddit
Show me where the 2011 discharged after you dropped it and it touched you.
Electric_Sal@reddit
Honest question, do these really worth $4.2k? Like what makes them better than a CZ?
RedBearded-RapedApe@reddit
You hit the nail on the head with that question. I have a shadow 2, Staccato P, and and XC. I have always told people that the shadow is the best return per dollar for performance. It's 90% what a P is and that is 90% what an XC is at half the cost. Now the XC is the nicest gun I own and it is extremely flat, but holding it and shooting it I put the price point of 3k in my head. That's what I believe an XC should be going for when a shadow 2 can be had for 1.2k optics ready
OccasionallyImmortal@reddit
It's a double-stack 2011 with a comp and a very good one at that. Whether that's worth $4,200 or not is not something that can be answered objectively. Staccato's either scratch an itch you have, or they don't. If you don't care for 1911 triggers or a comp, you'll be happier with a Shadow 2 and over $2.5K in your pocket.
If you don't care about the comp, something like the Dan Wesson DWX will scratch the 1911-trigger itch as well as a fantastic fit and finish for $2K.
You can find CZ and Staccato comparison videos and it often comes down to preference vs objective reasoning. The only negative to the Staccato is the price and that their $70 magazines need to be tuned occasionally because they don't like being dropped.
LockyBalboaPrime@reddit
To me, no. But to me, the P isn't worth what it costs either.
CallsignFlorida@reddit
Integrated island comp is fucking rad and very effective.
BeneficialClick6776@reddit
Foreign consumer: Go to Africa you can but an automatic rifle for 300$ American consumer :Come to America and get a staccato for 4000$ .....Forign consumer: what's so special about this staccato must have a built in otf blade and a digital round count for that much. American consumer: nope but hole my beer foreign consumer : wtf for !!!American consumer: [air racks slide] wooooohooooo!!!! Did you see that shit did you you see it Abdul Americcca Baby!!!!!!. Foriegn Consumer: You gotta be fuccccccin kidding me
Frankly_Im_Tired@reddit
I know the quality is unmatched, and the drip is real. But the value just isn't there.
1B3AR@reddit
This or 42 high points ( at the price the lord intended).
DigBarsbiggestfan@reddit
I've seen some 380s, mostly used but maybe a new one or two lately for $90 or less
episodick@reddit
No free shipping? What a deal breaker.
Jack_Mehoff3@reddit
Heard some concerning rumors that these were not drop safe, never dropped one to find out for myself though.
LockyBalboaPrime@reddit
95% of the 19/2011s ever made aren't drop safe. This isn't news. That is how the design works. That is how it always worked. A drop safe 1911 didn't exist until the series 80 and those suck and that's why no one makes them. Because they suck.
You're being sucked in by "rumors" from people that don't know what the fuck they are talking about and just want your clicks.
Jack_Mehoff3@reddit
If they are not drop safe why do they advertise them as “duty” pistols? Wh would people carry a pistol that isn’t drop safe?
MasterWarChief@reddit
"You're being sucked in by "rumors" from people that don't know what the fuck they are talking about and just want your clicks."
Yet go look at a thread about P320's just going off on their own and see the how many people refuse to get one because of rumors or incomplete info.
LockyBalboaPrime@reddit
They weren't drop safe for two world wars and the cold war. Pretty sure it's not that big a deal.
Keep the safety in. Not complicated.
Silvernine0S@reddit
They can still go off due to the floating firing pin even with the manual safety on, don't they? The floating firing pin does have a spring, from what I understand, to reduce the likelihood of it igniting the primer when the gun is dropped. However, if you drop it hard enough, you can still overcome the firing pin spring and have it go off. 1911 70s series don't have a firing pin block which would completely stop the firing pin from hitting the primer unless intended by actuating the trigger with all safeties off.
Please correct me as I am genuinely want to know.
Xx69JdawgxX@reddit
They’re drop safe if you have the safety on.
Bobathaar@reddit
Back in the day when they were STI and "Staccato" was just their low budget line of guns, I got simply walked into a store and they were all too happy to knock almost $600 off the sticker price. Back then the DLC on the barrel was standard, the gun came with an extreme shooters hand stippled grip module, and rmr and dpp plates were included with the gun in the "duo" optics ready package.
When they went to Staccato as a company, you lost the coating on the barrel, now you have to pay separately for plates, you get a worse grip module, and the lifetime warranty is now a one year (I think) warranty. On the bright side, you get the dawson tool-less guide rod included now where before you had STI's stupid recoil-master do-hickey.
Enzuncino@reddit
Don't worry this is still their low budget gun it just costs the same as the dvcp that was actually good
killadocg23@reddit
Staccato still offers lifetime warrant if you don’t mod the gun.
fagoosh@reddit
This or 42 Glawk 40 problem solvas?
Fluffy-Suit9207@reddit
Been in the market for one of these for a long while, but even with 10% Military discount or 5% Scheels discount the price keeps me away.
mreed911@reddit
368 / hero deals direct no good?
Local_Seaworthiness9@reddit
These things have gotten high! I should have kept mine!
85Pena@reddit
Gun“deals”
Phyraxus56@reddit
Where cocaine and hookers?
itsjustkris01@reddit
Isn’t this the normal price?
TooEZ_OL56@reddit
$4,299 is the usual price, so this is an "amazing" $100 cheaper. But Staccato is famously anal about not having any flexibility on their prices or sales.
BigTex would strip and Glock parts in defiance of Glock, but even they didn't fuck with Staccato lol
3900Ent@reddit
Cause that’s their biggest seller and they meat munch Staccato. They wouldn’t dare fuck that deal up lmao
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