Are there any Reddit alternatives that have neither Marxists nor Nazis?

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No_Cell_9733@reddit (OP)

Bruh https://raddle.me/f/Anarchy/196785/an-open-discussion-on-how-anarchism-and-anarchy-are-taken

I meant with people whose brain matured

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MiniDickDude@reddit

The average anarchist is provably more mature thqn you

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MiniDickDude@reddit

Perhaps we just got off on the wrong foot. What do you think anarchism is?

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Lynched?? The fuck?!? I'm guessing you meant evicted, but still, no, the the law is not often on the side of squatters. What country are you talking about? Also what's so bad about using abandoned buildings? Capitalists are the pests, claiming ownership (a power granted by the state) over places they often don't even frequent, over infrastructure and resources which others use and depend on.

Squatting is just one small example of anarchist praxis, anyways. Anarchism is just the concept of freedom brought to its natural conclusion. Anarchist philosophy is at the root of mutual aid, FOSS, direct / consensus democracy, decentralised organisation (not in the crypto sense)... it's about building the means for personal and collective autonomy, seeking liberation from hierarchical power structures (i.e. systems that operate through domination/power over others).

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No_Cell_9733@reddit (OP)

Yeah I was anarchist too when I was young I guess it is inevitable stage

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MiniDickDude@reddit

It sounds like you never learnt what anarchism actually is and just like the aesthetics of it, or the vague vibes of rebellion.

As a teen I was a social democrat, but gradually became disillusioned with the system which never seemed to clean up its messes and injustices. For me anarchism has very much provided me with a more mature political/philosophical perspective, and a much needed sense of hope that the future doesn't need to look unrelentingly grim.

The idea that power over others / authority / hierarchy is never a healthy basis for human relationships is powerful, and meaningful not only on a political level but also a personal one. In particular, it takes away the comfort of waving away responsibility to higher authorities, but after all, isn't "taking responsibility" (personally and collectively) a sign of maturity?

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No_Cell_9733@reddit (OP)

I was exactly like you, super cringe and thinking I figured out some recipe for betterment of all human race. Thankfully I am now much more experienced

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MiniDickDude@reddit

I think you're projecting your own "anarchist" past self onto me, I don't have any illusions of grandure of having things all "figured out", I've been learning from others and still have tons of questions and worries. If anything, what I'm trying to "figure out" is what to do about my own life that could align with my personal goals and values.

If you're so familiar with what anarchism is, what made you change your mind? What do you think is so much more "palpable" and "down to earth" about accepting the status quo?

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No_Cell_9733@reddit (OP)

It wasn’t a single thing. I wanted to have a family a good career and house. I just moved on from something that was very immature. What we have isn’t perfect but rejecting it all and completely turning it upside down would be like someone stomping their feet because they didn’t get Lego set on birthday.

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No_Cell_9733@reddit (OP)

Imagine an old woman who worked all her life selflessly so that less fortunate have it better.

How can you compare some online economic system debatebro to her? That person looks like a subhuman in comparison who never even lifted a finger besides stroking their ego online. That they have guts to even open their mouths…

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MiniDickDude@reddit

Are you talking about Vaush-types or smthn? I don't watch that kind of content nor would I recommend it to anyone. But I have on various occasions recommended channels like Andrewism, both online and irl, who I think makes genuinely thought-provoking and helpful videoessays.

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No_Cell_9733@reddit (OP)

Jesus you are hard to get to. Ask yourself what have you done for the world? What value you represent? People I describe have zero value.

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MiniDickDude@reddit

I addressed these questions in my other reply.

People I describe have zero value.

The preconcieved strawman you're hacking away at is not the kind of anarchism I've been talking about.

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No_Cell_9733@reddit (OP)

You don’t even know what I am talking about do you? Think about it. There are plenty of tools already if you actually want to help and change the world.

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MiniDickDude@reddit

Yeah, I'm not really sure what "tools" you're referring to, spell it out for me.

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No_Cell_9733@reddit (OP)

Tools to better society: - Being a teacher - Organising help to minorities and homeless - Climate activism - Simple honest work - Caring for elderly or for the young or disabled - Providing necessities for marginalised …. There’s plenty more and always shortage of volunteers. Because all those people prefer to wage debate bro battles online

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No_Cell_9733@reddit (OP)

And not lift a god damn smudge of a finger to actually do something. It boils my blood

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MiniDickDude@reddit

Why can't anarchists have families and homes? Why can't anarchists work hard?

I've already mentioned this, but the anarchism I'm talking about isn't just talking about tearing down existing oppressive systems, but also building alternative, horizontally organised ones to replace them. Only "tearing down" makes no sense, all it achieves is useless power vacuums. Childish antics and selfish hedonism may have been all anarchism ever was for you, but I assure you that there are many anarchists who work their asses off to help others.

All you need is a good will, empathy and hard work and you can already make community around you a better place

I agree

instead of debatebroing online.

Depends what you mean by "debatebroing"? If your problem is just with that particular argumentative/machoistic style of online discourse, I agree...?

This is what we need instead of pointless childish online shows of philosophical superiority we need people who work day by day to make world a nicer place.

I'm not really trying to one up you moralistically, I'm just kinda annoyed how you immediately assumed things based on your own limited preconceptions about anarchism. You asked for a non-marxist, non-nazi alternative to reddit. Raddle is a valid answer.

If you never did it then you have zero right to speak of what systems are better and other detached hypotheticals. Then you are just part of the problem.

I mean, systemically I can't say I've done much, but I do help people around me and am trying to better myself so I can be in an even better position to help others. I care about the big picture of things and I think it's interesting and important to talk about them, but I'm not trying to pretend like I've got the magic bullet solution to everything. As I said, anarchism has just put a lot of things into perspective for me, in a way I've found helpful.

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MiniDickDude@reddit

Why can't anarchists have families and homes?

I've already mentioned this, but anarchism isn't just about tearing down existing oppressive systems, it's about building alternative, horizontally organised ones to replace them. In many cases, the very act of building the new "tears down" the old, e.g. more abstract hierarchies such as the patriarchy can, in part, be torn down by changing how we interact with others and in how we educate the next generations.

Only "tearing down" makes no sense, all it achieves is useless power vacuums. Childish antics and selfish hedonism was all anarchism ever was for you. I assure you that there are many anarchists who work their asses off to help others.

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bad_news_beartaria@reddit

you actually believe that this is an improvement over reddit?

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MiniDickDude@reddit

I'm guessing those topics are too ""woke"" for you?

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TheYearOfThe_Rat@reddit

You have to curate your subreddits, basically and/or get a facebook account a personal temporary Hole of Forgetting/charivary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charivari) for destressing purposes , because by experience of being a "debate-bro" in my teens, one doesn't ask such questions if they don't do such activities themselves.

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boxer_dogs_dance@reddit

Tildes.net might be worth exploring. There are some left wingers there but they don't get in your face about it.

It is moderated for civil serious discussion and run by one guy who built it, so check it out before you decide to join.

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Kholzie@reddit

Do you want social media without censorship? Because that’s what you get on social media without censorship.

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BlazeAlt@reddit

https://lemm.ee/c/casualconversation

https://lemm.ee/c/newcommunities@lemmy.world

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bob_jody@reddit

Just block people you don't want to interact with and don't spend time in subreddits you don't like. This post feels like you're trying to publicly announce that you don't like political extremism, rather than you looking for a solution to a problem you have

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