Is this worth it?
Posted by Particular_Record269@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 57 comments
I keep seeing bug out books written by navy seals to make your home a “safe house” are these books worth the money or are they just another ad trying to get me to buy more useless shit????
Thanks in advance
depressed_panda49@reddit
any book recommendations on Prepping 101 if SHTF?
LowBarometer@reddit
WTF would a Navy Seal know about home security?! LOL! I'll buy the book written by the guy who just got out of prison for breaking into 150 houses.
Shot_Violinist7709@reddit
please tell me that is a real book
Ready-Bass-1116@reddit
Facts...
xseirrowonx@reddit
the entertainment value is, I suppose, worth the money but the reality is if you live in the modern US type neighborhood how exactly can you and your wife defend all the avenues of approach???
arthurkehl@reddit
I bought the book, A Navy Seal's Bug-In Guide, by Joel Lambert. Good book.
MCtogether@reddit
One thing I learned is that if you want to know anything about anything, a Navy SEAL will be more than happy to tell you all about it... right after he's done telling you he's a Navy SEAL.
btbmfhitdp@reddit
IIRC All the military survival manuals are available for free if you download them.
One_Garden2403@reddit
Good luck obtaining new ones without a military ID.
Electronic_Camera251@reddit
They are often not applicable for civilian purposes because the assumption is that if you are being offered the training you will have the requisite resources (ie equipment ,qualified personnel, access to military databases, command and control capabilities and structure ) required to fulfill the mission… you see a possible problem here . Some of them offer very good information others not so Much and at $20 or more a pop that becomes a significant gamble, however many of them are available on databases the significance of that would be 1.they are free 2. Having them as pdf files would allow you to compile a document that you could customize with only the information useful to you then simply print and collate . All killer no filler
selldivide@reddit
Snoop Dog has a cookbook. Does anything about being a rapper, tv personality, and/or notorious pot smoker give him special qualifications for being a chef?
There are endless books that pander to identities with which people want to relate -- Christian stock tips, vegan electronics repair, a black man's journey into film editing, an LGBT approach to birdwatching...
In every case, there are two components: one is the identity of the author, the other is plot of the story. In every case, the story is just a vessel in by which the author has an excuse to be writing to you about what you're really looking for -- stories, anecdotes, opinions, and commentary about that identity.
We don't expect Snoop to have an amazing new take on lasagna, but we're looking forward to the accompanying story about how he was hanging out with Dr Dre and they came up with this recipe while making your favorite song.
Sure, a Navy Seal will probably have a few good insights on the topic of home defense, but only by looking at things from the opposite side of their training -- Seals are all about invasion, strike, and extraction, they don't train for how to indefinitely defend one location. But I guarantee that anyone who's really into Navy Seal stories will enjoy all the stories and anecdotes, and images of bad-assery while they're reading it.
TrekRider911@reddit
Navy Seals are really good at being sneaky, blowing stuff up, jumping out of airplanes and disappearing into the night.
Preppers stockpile food, resources, learn skills, and prepare for power outages.
I'd argue a Navy Seals skills, while valuable in a SHTF environment where people are shooting at each other might be valuable, for all the other disasters that occur on Tuesday, stick to the Wiki, FEMA's guidance, and other preparedness resources.
Ready-Bass-1116@reddit
Agreed...I'm ready for about anything...gotta fuckton of ammo in addition...if tactical groups set out to steal people's shit, I'd just be goin' through the motions..my property is "bfe", so I could be a literal target for such a scenario...
warrior_poet95834@reddit
Fortunately, or unfortunately, life outside the teams is difficult for most.
Careful_Shine6586@reddit
Safe from what? Common burglars? Antifa types of mobs? Gangs? Zombies? Some pretty good advice on here on some fairly easy but effective ways to make your house safer. Look up door lock and jam reinforcement. Lights. Window alarms. Take a step back and look at your house from outside and ask yourself, How would you try to get into it? then use that strategy to make it defendable from the inside. Nothing is perfect unless you’re in a bunker in a compound. Have a good defensive plan and rehearse.
WhiskeyFree68@reddit
They just want you to buy useless shit. SEALs receive no special training in establishing safe houses. Most of the teams aren't even combat focused. Former SEALs use the cool-factor and mystique of the SEAL name to sell just about anything. A common joke about SEALs is that when they retire, part of the process is deciding whether they want to sign a book deal or sell workout equipment and supplements.
DannyWarlegs@reddit
I mean they kind of do. They'd set up secure perimeters around buildings they'd establish sniper nests in/on. Or setting up observation posts to study targets locations.
Some of those skills can transfer over with the defense of the location aspects.
WhiskeyFree68@reddit
That's certainly true, and I would agree that alot of the skills transfer over. But if you don't have a team of operators working with you, I would argue that the very specific skills they have don't translate well to daily home protection.
DannyWarlegs@reddit
Yeah that's true too.
But wouldn't you also agree that they have the skills for securing a solo perimeter? They do take a ton of survival training classes and programs. Let's say you have another Operation Redwing scenario go down. The whole team gets taken out except one man who must hide and defend his position until the cavalry arrives.
They do train for that too.
I'm also just playing devils advocate here btw.
MrHmuriy@reddit
They could probably write a decent book about raiding safe houses, but their former employer would probably be against it. So they have to write books on any other topic or sell supplements.
David_Parker@reddit
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Graffix77gr556@reddit
Save your money and buy nonperishable items
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
No they're not actually preppers and are going off their experience of breaking into people's homes to kill them at night.
I met a navy seal at gun show 2022 and I couldn't believe how arrogant he was about everything and how he was so wrong about shit.
He claimed .308 was never gonna be replaced by the creedmors because it was a better round even the guy who's booth he was at was like well not exactly and he got so angry I couldn't believe this guy was a seal with the ego he had.
DeafHeretic@reddit
I have to wonder how many SEALs are really out there?
It seems like everybody and their dog is/was a SEAL, especially those wanting to sell me stuff.
Electronic_Camera251@reddit
The more important question is how many were on assault teams because even though all of them go through the buds course not all of them are boots on the ground high level operations teams and much of their actual operational capability is because they have the ability to infiltrate hostile environments unseen rather than any intrinsic superiority visa via other special operations units (doesn’t seem like a super applicable skill set to speak on home defense)
DeafHeretic@reddit
I have no idea what the percentage would be.
I did spend a couple weeks (USCG training on outboard maintenance/repair) with some SEALs in Newport News. While I certainly had no exposure to their operations (they did show us a film of their BUD/S school) - they seemed like people I would not mess with.
OTOH - as I said, it sure seems like there are a lot of people out there claiming to be a former SEAL, wanting to sell stuff.
Stangwanger68@reddit
Buy nothing.
You can download almost everything you need online. I have terra bits of manuals on external hard drives packed away.
Vegetaman916@reddit
Just trying to get you to buy shit.
No soldier would ever recommend staying barricaded in a static position surrounded by hostile forces which both vastly outnumber and outgun you. It wouldn't matter if you are a Navy Seal or Chuck Norris, and urban or suburban area is going ti become a lawless warzone populated by the desperate, starving, and likely crazed denizens of the area, and they will overrun your defenses.
They will overrun the police stations, whatever part of the military bases or government buildings that survive the blasts, malls, hotels, factories and *every single other building which may contain either food, or other people, which are also food at that point.
There is no such thing as a safe house once global civilization ends forever.
BackRowRumour@reddit
If a lion wrote a book on home defence would you buy it?
No, because it will tell you to be a lion.
You are also not a SEAL.
Electronic_Camera251@reddit
I would take a seals advice if I lived in a submarine, or underwater research station or even a pirate cove
Particular_Record269@reddit (OP)
This what Iv gathered as well just making sure I’m not wasting my family’s money on useless information.
WhiskeyFree68@reddit
I would listen to advice from a beat cop or an old detective about securing my home before I listened to a SEAL. Someone who deals with break ins regularly would have much more knowledge on the matter than a guy who, at best, raided some compounds in Africa and the Middle East, or at worst was a diver or a cyber warfare specialist and has literally no experience with B&E.
MarinatedTechnician@reddit
Best advice I've ever gotten was from an ex-con.
He told me the following:
1) Make your place look as poor as possible, no super-well cut lawns, wait with trimming the bushes, don't worry about cosmetics, just make sure your house is in good condition, you can leave the paint flaking on metal terraces etc, the poorer you look the less you'll be a target.
2) Lights, lights and even more lights. People don't realize how cheap of an insurance having lights on at night is, yes it cost a few $ extra, but not much, especially today with led lights, but people STILL turn off all the lights, bless those - we'd not be able to score without those.
3) Make it uncomfortable to penetrate. For example, rose bushes under windows, people who like to sneak in hate those, there's nothing quite as annoying as getting bleeding scratchmarks all over your body while trying to enter a window.
4) Don't put up survelliance signs, fake alarm signs. This only signals that you have stuff worth taking.
5) Look for signs on your walls, mailbox, door. Anything unusual, we like to memorize our targets, see some unusual scratchmarks, mess those up or remove them.
6) Spread rumors about your badass levels. Even if fake, rumors spreads like wildfire amongst us, we don't like to be a victim either, so if we know there might be a potential maniac behind those walls, we'll choose the house next door.
7) Don't ever advertise how much stuff you got, even to your best friend, they blabber, and we're nice face-to-face, and we're awesome listeners, and we have a good memory too. We might smile to your friends face, but rest assure - we're taking notes!
8) Everyone knows you're prepared, so do we! The less we know, the better it is - for you!
9) We're easily spooked. Show up outside when you see someone who's a stranger, don't be talkative, we are so we know if your'e an easy target. If you just stare, we spook easily too, and you probably won't see us again.
Etc.
My entire neighborhood had been burglarized during one point, most of my next door neighbors too, except my place (knock on wood). Because I followed his advice.
Electronic_Camera251@reddit
Here is a good one that is especially pertinent now don’t fucking telegraph your information by having your lifestyle spelled out in political signs,bumper stickers , pithy joke warning signs those are all symbols to me of whether or not you are an armed and informed and worth the risk unknowns are the enemy predators they clock that shit effortlessly
Ilike3dogs@reddit
It’s just trynna get you to buy useless stuff
QuantumAttic@reddit
I'm picturing David Goggins. "Send me $100 or you'll die!"
warrior_poet95834@reddit
I enjoy supporting our nations war fighters. Most are well intentioned and well informed but one not need be a SEAL to use common sense.
WinIll755@reddit
The SEAL to author pipeline is real.
BigJSunshine@reddit
Very true. I have a seal-adjacent family member, whose written 2 books!
thunderblade95@reddit
It honestly annoys me because you're supposed to remain professional and keep your tasks quiet. Like unless it's a major fuck up like benghazi, then you shouldn't be bragging out certain things. Like the guy who shot bin laden. Why expose yourself? You keep that shit confidential. Benghazi, we lost an ambassador which hasn't happened in years because Hillary Clinton didn't send reinforcements immediately. The raid on bin laden is highly classified and shouldn't be openly discussed about
Backsight-Foreskin@reddit
I heard you can't be a SEAL unless you have a book deal in place.
Far-Significance2481@reddit
Or a strange , dark and mysterious podcast
WinIll755@reddit
Honestly wouldn't even surprise me at this point
-echo-chamber-@reddit
You only need 2 bullets to get someone out of a typical house.
Shot 1, shoot gas meter, vehicle gas tank, etc.
Wait 5 mins for it to spread.
Shot 2... anything with a spark.
Safe house my ass...
DiezDedos@reddit
Pick one
djfolo@reddit
My brother is a retired Navy Seal. Can confirm he’s amazing in a fight, raiding compounds, abducting terrorists and blowing shit up. Can also confirm none of the training they’re provided involves securing a personal home.
moon_lizard1975@reddit
Why useless?? There will be preps you may be using now or soon and rotating them like your food stock piles.
Ever since I started prepping I started see the prepping potential of everyday things. Like carrying a first aid kit in your vest's inner pocket.
I have a solar rechargeable flashlight & a USB no battery rechargeable radio with NOAA which I may take if "It hits the fan" but if it's an EMP the way disaster occurs, they'll get fried.... reason I have another solar rechargeable flashlight but altogether w/radio 📻 NOAA etc all in one, in a Faraday bag.
Every flashlight, every solar panel and other elements for emergencies are preps even if they are everyday elements and we Preppers also learn about EDC or everyday carry is also prep and it's good to view and see what is actually a prep & to have them ready and have a back up reserve for if it hits the fan.
my point, we need all the ideas we can get because they won't only be useful for them but also for now. You'll be the one who got people out of something being ready because you were carrying something useful.
I remember going out to eat with my mom & she didn't take enough warm clothes and I'm the one who had a bandana (always in my EDC)so she could put her on her neck and it helped to keep her warm.
Prepping is for now and then and everybody should prep the way everybody learned to brush their teeth to prevent oral issues and thus oral health; prepping is to help prevent some impacts thus helping to minimize the impact disaster may bring to the life of an individual and their immediate peers.
LastEntertainment684@reddit
Anyone can write a book. Doesn’t always mean it’s good or useful.
snuffy_bodacious@reddit
There are broader concepts from some of these books that are useful, but I would say buying more than one book isn't worth the money.
Resident-Welcome3901@reddit
Joel Skousen, an architect interested in fortified homesteads, has written books about defensive architecture. Impact resistant windows and window-films, Dooricade door reinforcements, cameras, motion detectors, strobe and siren alarms are all available commercially. Chemical area denial Devices are available for installation on vehicles and homes. .22 rf blank and pistol primer perimeter alarms are available for camping. Instructions are available from Government sources on construction of a safe room. Buying books is not a solution. Reading books, implementing the ideas in them, consulting Security professionals, implementing their recommendations is a solution. More important than any of these is developing a neighborhood response, neighborhood watch or mutual assistance group. The key to security is always people and not things.
Abject-Impress-7818@reddit
This is why libraries exist.
MojoVibes@reddit
If you want to ensure your home is properly protected, secured, and “safe” you would do better consulting a private security company who specializes in property checks and providing security to client properties. Maybe try ADT or even Reddit r/homedefense can answer most of your questions
Ghostbunney@reddit
Really, your only safety in an urban setting is complete secrecy. If a group of heavily armed folks want to come in, they'll literally come through the wall if need be. And if there are enough of them (wouldn't take as many as you might like to think) there's nothing you can realistically do to stop them. Nothing you build can't be unbuilt.
Particular_Record269@reddit (OP)
I realize this I would like to keep people away as much as possible. The closer the target the more of a threat
battery_pack_man@reddit
Skills, tools, community and useful books are head and shoulders better preps than ammo stockpiles and level IV NIJ plates.
MrHmuriy@reddit
They just another ad trying to get you to buy more useless shit
Cute-Consequence-184@reddit
If you are in the US, go into Libby and borrow them from a library. Ready them first then buy later. You can also use archive.org