I still have the tab open
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Anon later confesses that it wasn't a fair comparison as it was beef chuck used in the USA comparison.
It turns out for the US, regular ground beef is $9.30/kg. So they're making fun of Canada instead lol.
Also something that nobody is mentioning is that beef is heavily subsidized by governments around the world. A big part of the price is how much governments pay for consumers to keep prices low
My local supermarket, Fiesta, here in dallas Texas, has beef usually under 4 dollars a pound, regularly in the 2.75 to 3.50 range, usually on the lower side. Fat content about 20-25 percent. Fresh meat daily and prices change daily. picture is probably from like New York or something where prices are naturally higher. Beef and other food for that matter is generally very affordable here.
1 kilogram is 2.2 pounds. If you’re paying ~3 USD/pound it’s around 6.5 USD/Kilo so on par with Europe. How is the largest ranching country paying as much as Europe for beef?
Everyone is giving you cope answers but the reality is because Americans are rich, and therefore costs and wages are both higher. You can’t compare American prices to other countries. The median household income is 75k USD in the US, the median household income in Germany is 47k USD.
That's just not accurate though your averaging out all the people who have literal cancer, also America has socialized healthcare for poor people it's called Medicaid. My wife and I qualified for it when we made under 32,000$ a year which is extremely poor in America.
We paid 0$ a year in medical costs had dental, eye and ear care and all the bells and whistles.
take my grandpa though for example who caught cancer over 13 years ago in 2010 when catching cancer meant you died, he had both Medicaid and great insurance through his retirement plan. He received roughly 1 million dollars in experimental treatments, surgeries, constant MRI's and checkups, he's still walking around to this day cancer free and his total out of pocket a year was like 25,000$/year, but that was only like 10% of his income so no big deal.
They didn't catch it early either it was in the lymph nodes, prostate, and bones by the time they caught it, I think it was like stage 3 or 4 idk exactly.
Yeah the biggest problem i think is the low quality of the food and the extreme obesity rates which overburden our healthcare system.
If everyone exercised regularly and we had no obesity we would have a balanced budget by now.
I found that number for a family of four. Per person most sources cite around $13.5k (the math doesn’t work out evenly but costs are wildly variable). I read other countries are around half that amount, so if you factor in our higher wages I feel like we still come out ahead.
Median disposable income (after adjusting for social transfers including healthcare, childcare, etc) is higher in the US than anywhere in the world except Luxembourg (and comparing the US with a city state is silly for a lot of reasons).
The US is ahead of Germany by ~15k/yr, which is almost 50% more then Germans have at 33k/yr. The closest actual country to the US is Norway, which comes in 7k below the US, so the average American is about 1/6th richer than the average European in terms of annual spending power.
I mean US has had record wage growth outpacing European wage growth since COVID. We’ve also had less inflation. But US median income has been higher for decades.
German households would also be dividing food among the houshold as well. But it’s not just household income. US workers in the same job sectors just earn substantially more.
the average white American doesn't live with their extended family like Asians do for example. They tend to chuck them in the nursing home, or they live separately
Yes but all that immigration must have an impact. The asylum seekers aren't exactly wealthy to afford 2 rooms for each person. It might not even be 3 people per household in germany then. But i gotta wonder
Europe/UK simply has much worse wages.
Senior software engineer UK: £40k - £70k
Senior software engineer US: $100k - $500k
America is just the richest country in the planet and can afford to pay it's workers more. California by itself is like the worlds 5th richest economy.
My guess for why Americans feel poor is high pay disparity between shit jobs and good jobs. But in Europe and UK, good jobs pay shit too.
> My guess for why Americans feel poor is high pay disparity between shit jobs and good jobs.
Also, they work way more than other developed countries The US average work week in hours is closer to middle-income developing countries than it is Western Europe.
That's true. Europe has much better worker protection and holiday hours. There's literally americans in the helldivers subreddit complaining that the devs are taking too many holiday hours when it's state mandated lol.
> There's literally americans in the helldivers subreddit complaining that the devs are taking too many holiday hours when it's state mandated lol.
Probably for the best, if they had fewer holidays they'd be able to suck the fun out of the game even faster.
It is when it’s a tertiary factor. 90% of the time if you “why is X thing is so expensive in the US” it’s for no other reason than because cost of living and wages is so much higher in the US. When people go to Brazil and say “why is food so cheap here wow!” The reality is for Brazilians food is not cheap. Wages are just lower.
Unless you have data suggesting this specific thing is disproportionately expensive in the US (for example, housing in US cities is more expensive relative to earning than in many countries), the reality is 90% of the cost different is because of a higher cost of living in general rather than a specific reason.
Beef in the US is relatively cheap, it’s heavily subsidized and we eat a lot of beef. People in the US just earn a lot of money
>Unless you have data suggesting this specific thing is disproportionately expensive in the US (for example, housing in US cities is more expensive relative to earning than in many countries)
I...what? Perhaps in the most major cities in the U.S. I can sorta see that,[ but the U.S. arguably has some of the better housing:income rates in the world](https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp)
Sort of. We have good housing income rates, because we have some of the highest income in general. The issue with housing in the US isn’t that it’s impossible to afford, it’s that we are so prosperous we’ve come to expect an incredibly high standard of living (compared to say, Italy where it’s normal to live with your parents well into adulthood). Therefor, it’s relatively normal for 18-21 year olds to have to swing housing on their own (something kind of weird globally).
There’s also an issue of truly affordable housing being difficult to build. This is the issue in cities, which in somewhere like Japan 1 room apartments are common, in most US cities they are (to varying degrees) illegal. There should be shitty housing for young people to get their start, the market wants it, people want it, but laws don’t allow it.
That’s not how money works. If everyone makes more but everything costs more you aren’t rich, you have an inflated currency. Indonesians are multimillionaires and pay tens of thousands for a kg of mince, they aren’t rich though.
On an equivalized disposable income basis after adjusting for social transfers (i.e., giving Europe back in cash the benefit of socialized healthcare/childcare/education that they don't have to pay for), the average American has at least 18% extra spending power than every other country on earth except Luxembourg, who doesn't really count since they're a city state that simply imports literally all its low skill labor. That 18% widens out to nearly 50% by Germany, and nearly 100% (i.e., almost twice as much spending power) by the time we get down to the UK.
Taxes and regulatory guidelines means they can’t really cut corners.
Most of the cost is is processing and shipping and not growing(Ranchers don’t see the profits when prices go up)
Certain food commodities, definitely have a more global pricing.
the youngest you can work in this country is 15/14, the youngest you can work fulltime is 16/17 depending on states. this isnt an issue lmao. (there are exceptions and you can work much earlier if its for your parents)
very astute observation sherlock. Did you know that if you dont care about the statues and laws of man you can do whatever you want? why even make this reply, what does it add.
i live in southern oklahoma, i understand the issues with illegal child labor in the ag industry, however both of my original points stand, the age at which you can legally work is fine and the outrage surrounding it is weird, and illegal things are a whole separate issue that wasn't the focus of conversation.
I was wrong about you not knowing agriculture shit, shoutout to OK I drive a truck and it’s beautiful out there
Respect to two dickheads knowing how to have a conversation lol🫡
Because we have a stronger economy, so people can pay more for things. Why would you choose to be a rancher in America if you were only going to make europoor wages?
If everything costs more and everyone makes the same % more you don’t have a stronger economy, you’ve just artificially lowered the value of your currency. A european making 400 euro and spending 40 on 10kg of beef vs an American make 4000 USD spending 400 on 10kg of beef is the same level of rich, just the US value is needlessly inflated (ignoring the small difference in currency value)
That's not true in a global economy, because the stronger economy can purchase more foreign goods than the weaker one. Think about all the things you use that are made overseas or with materials from other countries. You are probably typing this comment on one right now...
Doing the quick math using numbers from google, it looks like ground beef costs about 33% more in the US than in the UK, but the average American makes 38% more money. So in terms of percentage of wages, it's cheaper for Americans to buy beef than for the British to do so.
Now you might say "What's so great about Americans making more money when their stuff costs more?" And when it comes to food, that's mostly a reasonable point. Richer countries do spend less of their paycheck on food, but it's not that big of a difference. Still, an average American could retire in a poor country and eat like a king forever just due to the exchange rate.
The major reason that food is more closely tied to a local country's economy is because so much food is locally made. It makes perfect sense that farmers in India take some percentage of each Indian person's pay to feed them and that American farmers need to take a similar percentage of pay from Americans to feed them.
The advantage for the wealthier country comes from any kind of product that isn't locally made If you want rice, you pay the local cost of rice. If you want an iPhone, it costs more or less the same thing to everyone in the world. The average American can afford a new iPhone every couple years if they really wanted it. The average person in a poor country is certainly not able to do that. So even if people around the world spend a somewhat similar amount of money on food, how we spend our money on luxuries is very different.
38% wage increase with a 33% CoL increase is effectively a 5% wage increase. The average US family of 4 spends 23 thousand USD on medical costs a year. You’re ending out behind on the CoL conversion, not ahead.
As someone who lives in New York, I can confirm. This state has awful laws, mediocre pay, is one of the least American feeling states ever (feels more like Canada), and uses prices to keep people from leaving. Get me outta this shit hole! 😭
That beef price is outrageous and beyond normal, but also you can inflate on Americans hard, because they won’t push back. You could raise beef to 30 per lb, gas to 40lb, healthcare to 2k per month, and they’d all shrug and say “guess I’ll get a fourth job, it’s just a bad spot”.
That’s just a marketing strategy. Doesn’t mean anything.
I have a friend whose family owns a cattle farm here in the UK. The majority of cows here eat grass throughout the summer and their diet is supplemented with feed in winter. Our weather here is wet enough that’s it’s actually cheaper to let cattle just eat grass. The vast majority of land where I live is for livestock to feed.
Where the fuck is this guy getting these prices? The most expensive grocery store in my area has 3lbs (~1.3kg) for $9. Ground Angus and sirloin is about the price he has, but who's buying that normally?
That’s just what it says on Walmart’s website
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I mean, that's California prices for ya.
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its 7.99 all the sudden at albertsons and safeway and thats what whole food used to fucking charge for beef the fuck is going on? used to be 2.99 and 3.99 pretty consistent here....
Yeah I literally just picked up a pound of 85/15 organic grass-fed beef from Aldi for $3.99 ($8.81/kg)
Is UK-Anon not aware that America has a wide range of stores in different states with different costs of living and average incomes?
Its weird that US shops don't have the full price range in one chain. So in Australia we'd have cheap mince, fancy mince (grass fed/organic), then some Australian wagyu mince or similar - maybe dry aged. It seems like in the US the stores that'd sell Wagyu mince drop the budget mince for reasons
Most absolutely do. The more "upscale" store I go to has the following:
* Standard quality 73/27, 80/20, 85/15, 90/10 ground
* USDA Choice 73/27, 80/20, 85/15, 90/10 ground
* USDA Prime 80/20, 85/15, 90/10 ground
* Grass-fed organic 80/20, 85/15, 90/10 ground
* Wagyu 80/20, 85/15, 90/10 ground
Some "upscale" stores (e.g. Whole Foods) may be missing the cheapest options, just as "budget" stores may be missing the premium options like Wagyu and dry-aged, but most have pretty wide selections.
Wym letting in an unsustainable amount of immigrants to suppress wages in tech/engineering sectors and drive house prices sky high is bullying? Won’t you think of the landlords and CEOs that are now making a killing?
It’s neither, it’s a mixture of public knowledge and theory. I suggest you look up Trudeau’s notoriously promiscuous mother, and her feelings towards the Cuban dictator.
Also, a comparison image of Trudeau and Castro. Come back and they’ll me what you think
And do what? Fuck Trudeau? What do you think I've been trying to do this whole time? I didn't plaster my lifted pickup with F🍁CK TRUDEAU stickers for no reason
That's not a slab you foolish grass seed that's a noodle packet. The unholy slab is the 11lb rectangular prism of pork matter slapped onto the deli counter.
The more interesting thing is I can *easily* find 5% fat mince in my lidl/aldi in Ireland but it was near fucking impossible to find in America. I think the majority of our mince sold is probably 15% or less but I imagine it's way higher in America.
The taco bell 7 layer burrito used to sell for 85 cents, adjusting for inflation it'd be about 1.35 dollars or maybe 1.5 but they sell it for 5 dollars now. It's all corpo greed.
corpo greed? tell me you don't shop for your own groceries without telling me you don't shop for your own groceries. under our current regime everything is up hundreds of percent. and 15/hr minimum wage comes with a cost of $5 burritos.
> everything is up hundreds of percent
Do you mean compared to 50 years ago?
And do you actually think that our "current regime" is responsible for the inflation that began before the administration took office and was happening literally all around the world? If our current administration has made any difference at all, it's done better at reducing inflation quickly than basically any other wealthy country has been able to do. Our leaders can't control every problem that comes their way, but they can make decisions on how to best deal with those problems and they've done a great job at that.
And do you actually think that doubling the minimum wage would make burrito prices go from 89 cents to $5? Labor is one small part of the cost of that burrito, but even if it were the whole cost to produce that burrito it would only increase the price by at most 100%.
I'm pretty sure the answer here is that the 89 cent burrito was just a loss leader meant to get people in the door and now that times are tougher they got rid of that deal. I'm pretty sure that nothing else on the menu has gone up by 6 times in price over the same time period.
Bro literally every western economy suffered massive inflation. There were these little events called COVID and Ukraine Russian war.
How can you call someone else an NPC when you are afraid to read the "world news" section of a website in case it tells you something you don't want to hear?
I hear a lot of people say the current administration has done a great job of curbing inflation and raising median household incomes, could you point me to some examples of policies they’ve passed that would effect these numbers positively?
That minimum wage used to buy you A LOT more than it does now. I get that we're facing an inflation. But you can't deny that corpos used it as a reason to double or triple prices more than it should've been for profit.
i can, and will. the profit/earnings aren't any higher than they were before $15 minimum wage for quick service and restaurants. certainly not for grocers either. increased overhead (wages) equals increased costs on goods. there's no way around that unless you deny reality.
It's a good thing all of those economic geniuses out there keep reminding me that everything would collapse instantaneously if we tried to limit price gouging on necessities because of all of these 'razor thin margins.'
None of those numbers communicate how thin or wide Taco Bell’s margins are
“Price gouging on necessities” if Taco Bell is a necessity to you and you’re a magic player, I’m certain your ass was featured in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/202wd3/i_participated_in_one_of_the_biggest_magic_the/
I don't know if you know this, but this is a thread in response to beef prices, and I was talking to the person about corporate greed. But I am glad you were so butt torqued that you decided to profile surf me for my interests instead of actually engaging with something else besides 'lol fat.'
You criticize me for not engaging with anything else besides ‘lol fat’. I did say that none of these numbers, the cost of beef or the price of Taco Bell menu items, don’t communicate how wide or thin the margins are. Guess you just totally ignored that part huh?
If you compare it to the people's wages, it's easy to see. Minimum wage is still legally 7.25 in some places, and you're meant to live off of that. Working for an hour at the lowest possible minimum wage doesn't even cover a combo meal at most places.
I went through their drive thru last month for the first time in years to get my old favorite, the 7 layer burrito. They acted all confused, turns out it got discontinued. Once again I see why I quit going there, that and the ridiculous prices.
I use Chipotle as my corporate greed meter. The cost of their food has risen 2.5x in the last 10 years, which is more than double what inflation should have caused in that time.
Taco Bell use to be my go-to dirty bulk after the gym. $10 and you’d eat like a fucking king. In-N-Out is substantially better quality and at this point much cheaper.
That is what run away spending does. And now that Fed gave a clear dovish signal that is extremely rare that rates will come fown...well now inflation wave #2 is coming. Good for stocks but inflation generally was not tamed and in round 2 they ewont even try.
Houses prices were not tamed and stocks were not tamed. But consumers were by the high interest rates. Next step is despair and more crime.
Beef is a very inefficient source of food. The only time it's cheap is when governments subsidize it with billions - but most of the time it is expensive despite that.
hate how whenever there’s discussions on the price of meat, there’s always someone who’s like “just get together with your neighbors and buy a whole cow from your local butcher!! you save $.03 per pound!!
You don't need much more than 16 cubic feet of freezer space for a full cow. The pressing issue is consuming the 600lbs to 800lbs in a calendar year. Not because it goes bad in the freezer but because the flavour starts to go off after being frozen for too long.
Maybe some grass-fed organic shit, but not [the regular stuff](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/577864/woolworths-beef-mince)
$11 AUD per kg, which is ~$7.50 USD
Bill Gates wrote in his book we needed to make traditional food more expensive to close the gap between green alternatives. Then he bought up all the farmland and is now the #2 farmland owner in the country. And what a coincidence the cost of traditional foods has increased!
So we're not going to talk about how Britanon is highly regarded and thinks the lbs:kg ratio is 1:2 instead of 2:1, causing him to quadruple the American price?
It’s because U.S. beef producers are caught in a stranglehold by the processors who have a near monopoly and jack up prices to the detriment of farmers and consumers
None of those numbers communicate how thin or wide Taco Bell’s margins are
“Price gouging on necessities” if Taco Bell is a necessity to you and you’re a magic player, I’m certain your ass was featured in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/202wd3/i_participated_in_one_of_the_biggest_magic_the/
Two butchers in the northern parts of New Hampshire sell ground beef like 4 to 4.75 a pound. To get the real lean stuff you have to order ahead of time but even then it's only like $5.50 a pound
1. Greed
2. Oligopolies
We just eat turkey now anyways. I thought about skirt steak yesterday, saw it was $10/lb and just walked back to poultry where my peasant ass belongs. also, it’s less common, but the ground chicken is actually really good and regularly like three dollars a pound
Yeah beef is usually that pricey around NY because we don't have alot of meat cows. We do make alot of milk and eggs so all dairy is much cheaper here than vs Texas, as well as alot of fruit. We're 3rd Largest in Dairy, 2nd in Apples, 3rd in Vineyards. Texas meanwhile leads in things like Cattle, Sheep, Goats, as well Cotton and cereal crops, so Meat is usually very cheap there.
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