You don't want comments like this??? Then you do a thorough job reporting. You are hiding the fact that the drunk was an illegal. You are the one who need to be sanctioned.
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Good luck with that it's been said many times but it's never gone through alcohol is like a number two behind sugar or something and make too much money off of it
Blowing .08 on a bus is just as illegal as it is in a car, or anywhere in public. It's called Public Intoxication, and penalties are pretty much the same.
Yet weed is illegal still blows my mind how alchohol which is way worse for you and has 0 medical benefits is legal and marijuana is illegal and possess tons of medical benefits and isn't really as bad for you as alchohol.
Say it became legal. How much money would the pharmaceutical stand to lose (rough guess per year). Is it because it's too late for them to get in the game since nows there are so many producers and manufacturers and they can't patent it?
There’s a drug called Marinol (dronabinol) that’s been around like 30 years which is synthetically produced THC. A long time ago I was a pharmacy tech and this drug cost about $35 for a 10mg capsule without insurance.
Compare that to the cost of a joint.
I think it would be hard to quantify.
It's not just how it currently competes with many of their medications as a viable treatment for pain, anxiety and nausea, but also that it could possibly be the center of many un-patentable *cures* for ailments that they currently profit off of treating.
There is 0 money to be had in creating a cure for any disease that they cannot patent the composition or application of. Actively blocking the research into such is honestly the best decision from a business perspective.
This is why capitalism needs to die. When I had regular access to weed, it started reversing my autoimmune markers. There's treatments that can slow down the progression, my doctor looked at my labs and said, "whatever you're doing, keep doing it." Unfortunately, it's really hard to get.
Well just think of how many people on pain meds and anti depressants that would be able to get off and use weed instead. Also companies could start making medicines of weed. So I’d say billions
It’s not too late for them, they can out research anyone in currently in the business to develop better plants and outspend on advertising then if that doesn’t work they just buy the companies that started the market for legal weed. Do not count them out.
Big Pharma will buy it and capitalize on it. Don’t ever underestimate the power of the elite class. So many head shops and dispensaries are positioning themselves to cash in when weed is legalized nationwide and Big Pharma buys it all.
Pain meds stats in 2006-2012
Three companies distributed nearly half of the pills: McKesson with 14.1 billion, Walgreens with 12.6 billion and Cardinal Health with 10.7 billion. The leading manufacturer was Mallinckrodt’s SpecGx with nearly 28.9 billion pills, or nearly 38 percent of the market.
The states that received the highest concentrations of pills per person per year were: West Virginia with 66.5, Kentucky with 63.3, South Carolina with 58, Tennessee with 57.7 and Nevada with 54.7. West Virginia also had the highest opioid death rate during this period.
Pain meds would be replaced with medical marijuana. This would maybe account for $100-200,000,000,000.00 of profits annually or a trillion or so in 5years
Also law enforcement drunk on civil asset forfeiture laws where they seize your car cause you had a vape pen. The state physically sues your vehicle or house or money. You don’t have to even have committed a crime.
Texas got $7,000,000,000.00 from it last year alone.
Then when they jail you for your vape pen (which is just two steps under murder 1 charge) you now count as a voter in the rural for profit prison they sent you to. Now when they get them jails full, the rural area can now say they need another congressional representative because of the population growth.
Illegal weed is system feature not a bug.
I am pretty sure big pharma is alive and well in the many states that have legalized. We can thank our ultra conservative politicians who still believe all drugs are evil.
Is that really the case? A lot of other states have legalized it or have medicinal marijuana. It seems like it's just religious conservative types who want to keep it illegal and most of it is rooted in racism.
It was either Walgreens or CVS who had their rise selling "medical alcohol". It was a situation a lot like the early med days in California where anyone who had $100 for the doctor's appointment could get access to the drug but poor people could get arrested for it.
People that are high drive super fast and don't realize it. They don't have the perception they are driving fast while impaired, My husband works for the ME, so he sees all the cases and deals with the toxicology testing on the bodies.
I have a migraine disorder and weed changed my entire life and made my migraine attacks go from daily to maybe once a week. There is no reason it should be illegal.
A nursing student once told me that smoking pot does more damage to the lungs than cigarettes (because it's usually not filtered) but that alcohol does more damage to the body than both of them combined.
Decades of weed use is bad. I've seen it. They're brain processing is slow as fuck and they talk like some sort of zombie almost slurring words together.
And thus far, studies have not shown an increase in vehicle accidents or deaths in legal states.
My pet theory is that it's specifically alcohol's "inhibitory" effect that makes it so dangerous. Drunk people are more likely to lose their inhibitions against driving drunk, while stoned people are more aware that "oh yeah, I'm fucking high man, I'm not driving... anybody sober enough to work the Doordash app?"
Make it so so can only legally consume alcohol at your residence. So, drinking and driving is cut back. Even with Federal Prohibition revocked, wheere and when alcohol can be consumed publicly is under governance.
Yea kind of fucked in In Texas in that regard, Can’t buy packaged alcohol to take home after midnight but ok to drink at a bar until 2am. I guess the intent is a bar will not over serve but it’s forcing you to drive home from it
You don't really get how insane it is till you take a step back and realize just how pervasive alcohol is in our society.
A good example is that a drug dealer who sells drugs to addicts is a criminal. When one of those addicts ODs, the drug dealer is held criminally responsible.
On the other hand you go to a liquor store about 5 minutes before they open and see a bunch of people shaking from DTs waiting for them to open. If one of those guys walks in, buys a 5th of everclear and then goes out in his car and drinks himself to death, we don't hold the clerk responsible.
She sold a toxic substance to a visible addict which resulted in his death but we as a society say she is blameless because it's legal.
> we don't hold the clerk responsible.
Actually we do... the business gets a slap on the wrist while the employee gets fines, jail and possibly a criminal record.
A long, long time ago a friend of mine got in big trouble for selling beer to a big guy with a heavy beard, didn't check the guy's ID. Turned out he was 17 and it was a sting. A good rule of thumb is to always check ID, no exceptions, no matter how old they look.
Legal age to purchase or possess alcohol is 21, but people younger than 21 can drink alcohol under certain circumstances, such as being given alcohol by their parents or legal guardian.
He made an incorrect claim, I was merely clarifying what the law is in Texas.
https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/underage-drinking/state-profiles/texas/95
First two topics.
It's not the alcohol - people are irresponsible and don't accept responsibility for their actions. "I'm sorry I didn't mean to do it" doesn't cut it when others are negatively affected by your actions.
I've stopped lots of things cold turkey, alcohol felt like I was gonna turn inside out. But everywhere you look, ads for beer, beer arcades, beer pubs, beer beer beer, final 5 minutes of your favorite show? They're chilling with a beer. It's wild.
Alcohol withdrawal literally put me in the hospital. Stabbed with ketamine after I attacked a nurse thinking those grippy socks were then breaking my bones.
Fuck Alcohol.
The bar would be liable regardless because he is a minor plus Dram laws
The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code (TABC) §2.02, also known as the Texas Dram Shop Act, holds businesses that serve alcohol accountable for their role in alcohol-related accidents. The law applies to all parties licensed or permitted to sell or serve alcohol in the state, including commercial establishments and social hosts.
The law states that a business can be held liable if they serve alcohol to an intoxicated person who then causes injuries. To establish liability, the injured party must prove the following:
The business knew or should have known that the person was drunk and a danger to themselves
I am TABC certified, working at a liquor store that takes these sorts of things very, very seriously. We've called the cops on people who've come into our store drunk.
Personally, I ALWAYS look for signs of intoxication when I'm selling. Their eyes, breath, demeanor, voice, stance. It's stressful on Friday nights and Saturdays, but I've had my managers deny sales because I've called them over.
I'm saddened to see this story and hope that whatever store that he potentially bought from is held accountable.
I don't drink alcohol, but there definitely needs to be more control over alcohol sales. But that's my own personal opinion.
What if he stole it or used a reasonably good fake? Why are you trying to hold storefronts responsible for an individuals decisions and actions.
Check out staff at the local grocery store aren't paid enough nor trained well enough to be able to identify I well produced fake. In fact you can purchase scannables now which even further complicate things.
> Why are you trying to hold storefronts responsible for an individuals decisions and actions.
I believe distracted drivers (i.e., people.on their phones) kill about as many people as drunk drivers.
And I'm not saying this to absolve drinking and driving, but that's also a bad choice done by individuals daily and yet you don't see any uproar about it.
We don't know how he got access to the alcohol, but if the driver had been two years older, he would've killed them just the same. Let's not act like getting under the influence is that difficult. They made the choice to get behind the wheel. That's the point.
Texting and driving is also illegal. Something people do everyday without considering the consequences of the risks.
Remember, *people* commit crimes and make bad choices. The tools or enablers are just that.
Before assuming he stole it, first let's investigate how he got it. Maybe he raided his parent's liquor cabinet? If that's the case that opens the parents to a lawsuit. There's lots of ways someone could have illegally provided the alcohol that led to this death, so let the investigation proceed and charge as guided by the facts of the case.
Why are you defending this perp? If someone broke the law by illegally providing alcohol to a 19 year old, why do you want them to get away with that? Weird...
So, if someone willingly supplied the alcohol to this teenager, do you think they should be held accountable in any way for the deaths of the five innocent people that resulted from that alcohol?
You’re asking a different question from that which relates to the chain OP’s point. In more ways than one. For example, the chain OP said “stole,” not willingly supplied. And, in any event, the chain OP wasn’t defending the bad guy. So I don’t know why you keep building up alternative scenarios to use to argue with us—it’s quite transparent and obvious.
In any event, to answer your tangent of a question, if someone willingly supplied alcohol to a teen and the teen kills people, sure, there is likely liability exposure. Of course, that would depend on the nuance of what the supplier ultimately *knew* under the circumstances.
My opening sentence:
>Hopefully whoever supplied the alcohol can be prosecuted, or at least sued into ruin.
No reasonable person could disagree with the idea that if someone supplied alcohol to a teenager they should be held both criminal and civilly liable, at least I would hope no reasonable person would disagree. Since nobody actually knows how the teenager got the alcohol that led to this multi-fatality crash yet it's just speculation to assume that he got it in such a way that absolves anyone else of responsibility, which is what OP seemed to be wanting to do.
Dude, you're *strongly* implying that someone gave this kid booze and should be prosecuted. This whole comment chain you started is only saying that there's a chance he wasn't given it and instead got it by other illegal means and thus the only culpable body is the kid. You even admit nobody, including yourself, knows the details of the crime, yet you insist that someone else needs to go to jail or in your words be "sued into ruin" despite no evidence of wrongdoing by anyone but the murderer.
Nowhere did I defend him lmao.
You are immediately jumping on suing s store, shopkeeper or parents for supplying the alcohol.
YOU are passing blame on to a third party, not me.
I only ever said that whoever supplied him the alcohol should be punished. You're the one jumping in with all the pointless hypothetical scenarios as to why there should be no punishment or consequences for those that supplied the alcohol. Fact of the matter is that it's illegal to supply alcohol to anyone under age 21 in this state, with very, very limited exceptions. His parent(s) or legal guardian can give him alcohol, but they're still legally liable for the results of that.
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I think the point was that sometimes, particularly with 19-year-olds, the alcohol might not have been willingly supplied. If this murderer stole the alcohol, do you feel that the original owner should be punished?
If they got the alcohol at a party or social event, then yes, the providers should be punished either criminally or civilly, or both. If the parents supplied the alcohol then they should be fully exposed civilly since it's not criminal for a parent to give alcohol to their child. If the teen got the alcohol from any kind of bar or establishment that sells alcohol then the servers/bar should be prosecuted criminally and sued civilly. If the teen shoplifted the alcohol from a store then the store owner should not be exposed to criminal liability. For sure if anyone gave or sold him the alcohol they should be held liable. Given the horrific death toll I strongly suspect that how he got the alcohol is going to be thoroughly investigated. I find it hard to conceive that the police will simply ignore that line of investigation. It's for sure that the teen didn't just magically find himself drunk all of a sudden.
Ok, let's play this game. First, I'll answer your question the way you wanted me to:
> If this murderer stole the alcohol, do you feel that the original owner should be punished?
The answer is yes.
Now my turn. I just want a yes or no answer, any other answer won't count:
If someone gave the alcohol to this teen, do you think they should be punished?
Remember, this is a clear and concise question and is a test of your ability to communicate clearly.
My question was "what if he stole it"
Why are you getting your pantys twisted?
Technically yours is a hypothetical as well because you are assuming it was provided willingly.
Why do you think I'm defending anyone? Are you slow or something?
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> YOU are ***passing blame on to a third party***, not me.
Weird, what do you call this?
>>Check out staff at the local grocery store aren't paid enough nor trained well enough
A statement of fact.
They aren't. And therefore should not be held hypothetically liable in this hypothetical situation about a hypothetical crime committed with a hypothetical scannable fake ID.
Hypothetically of course.
If he was somewhere where the alcohol was left out for anyone to drink, would they be responsible in any way? Or it it more of a case of immunity all around?
That’s not how any of this works. He was 19, and such will be responsible solely for his own actions. Note I am responding only to the comment about alcohol being left out. Now days store employees are largely barred from interfering with theft, and as such, virtually all stores that sell alcohol have it “left out for anyone to drink”. It simply wouldn’t pass muster in a court case that a store that “allowed” him to take and drink alcohol without paying or an adult that left alcohol out in their private residence would be responsible for another adult taking it without permission.
Note this works the same way with weapons. Leave a weapon out and a minor gets ahold of it without permission? That’s on you. An adult gets your weapon without permission it’s on them, that’s theft.
So the comment you cherry picked from was " if he stole from someone". So the victim mentioned in my comment would be the victim of the crime of theft.
It helps to read the whole paragraph and not cherry pick 14 words and invent a new narrative.
That’s not what they are saying. They are saying if he stole the alcohol - the person/business he stole it from should not be in trouble because they were the victim of theft. It’s clear the family who lost their lives are victims.
> It’s clear the family who lost their lives are victims.
That's clear to some of us.
There are others in this thread who are more concerned about hypothetical alcohol-theft victims and poorly trained store clerks.
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No one said they are “more worried” about that. Just that it may not be a clear cut case of placing blame on whoever provided the alcohol if it was stolen.
As someone who managed some high profile bars during my 20s, let me just say that your sentiment means absolutely nothing.
No matter what, you had better use your absolute best judgement to decide if someone should be served alcohol and that means checking IDs at every chance and, frankly, doing your due diligence to avoid these issues.
Why are we trying to hold storefronts responsible? Because they legally are.
Just because you think staff at a store aren't trained well enough to sell alcohol doesn't absolve them of any guilt. Common sense very clearly dictates that you don't sell alcohol to minors.
The fact of the matter is that the shop owner and whichever employee sold this little piece of crap his alcohol will be seeing serious consequences including jail time, high fines, and more.
The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code (TABC) §2.02, also known as the Texas Dram Shop Act, holds businesses that serve alcohol accountable for their role in alcohol-related accidents. The law applies to all parties licensed or permitted to sell or serve alcohol in the state, including commercial establishments and social hosts. The law states that a business can be held liable if they serve alcohol to an intoxicated person who then causes injuries. To establish liability, the injured party must prove the following: The business knew or should have known that the person was drunk and a danger to themselves
Yeah this is where it gets hazy, and similarly with guns (another charged issue), and why going after manufacturers for individuals' misuse is wrong but why it makes sense to go after the accused and the server. We wouldn't sue Ford for drunk driving deaths with a F150. If there was a bartender that intentionally overserved and knew the patron drove there, they should be on the hook. A gun store/employee who knew it was a shady dude and sold the gun anyways? They should be looked into. Going after Glock for that store employee's decision to sell a gun to someone who shouldn't have it? Glock should not be held accountable there. In our litigious society today it's really tough to have the line drawn to what is "fair".
Not really sure how you jumped to that conclusion from what I said.
It is Olympic season I guess. So silver metal in that mental gymnastics performance right there bud.
> silver ***metal*** in that mental gymnastics performance
Guessing you didn't win any spelling medals.
What did your state rep say when you demanded better training standards for grocery store clerks to spot fake IDs?
Metal is a word and appropriately spelled.
It's not misspelled. Just misused.
Therefore, not a spelling error.
Voice to text did not differentiate, just misused.
>It's not misspelled. Just misused.
So when you spoke those words, you intended to say "silver metal," meaning the metal, not "silver medal," meaning an award? Only to discover you were using the wrong homophone?
Because if you meant "award" but used "metal," that's spelling, not grammar.
Lol, you realized how off base your original point was so now this is your fixation?
Medal/metal are easily confusable from voice to text interpreter.
The words are pronounced nearly exactly the same. What is the point you are trying to make here?
>What is the point you are trying to make here?
The point is, you're unable to admit you're wrong. You didn't mean to say "metal," you meant to say "medal." Which makes it a spelling error, not grammar. But you wanted to "gotcha" me so you brought up grammar vs. spelling, and you can't let it go. Like a fixation, almost.
Right?
I did intend to use medal, but used voice to text without proofreading. Nowhere was that denied, and infact was what I said in the first comment.
However it is still not misspelled. Just inappropriately used. So none of my points change.
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Only if you're too lazy to proof-read before submitting.
Now let's get back to how you think store clerks aren't trained well enough and what you're actually willing to do about it.
Alright,
Well they aren't. And I am not really going to do anything about it as I am not an employer nor in charge of writing training catalogs. In addition we have asked for a raise in minimum wage rates for years and it's slapped down over and over again.
If you expect above minimum efforts then pay above minimum wages. Until then I see no reason a store clerk should be held liable for alcohol purchased with a fake ID.
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Yeah you’re right. The updated articles have better info now.
Still, I want to point out that a 2,4, and 9 year old were out at 12:30am. Nothing good happens for kids that age that late. That poor family.
More importantly though, why did it burst into flames?
I know I have wondered this too. One thing I read is that due to the intoxication their bodies are looser, in a way, that makes the drunk person less likely to sustain injuries. It’s so fucked
I think it’s also because the drunk driver is typically slamming into their victims head-on, meaning that they have the benefit of air bags, their vehicle’s massive frontal crumple zones, and basically the ideal body position to absorb the forces that a vehicle collision exerts on their body. In theory, they might also have a split second to brace for impact if they’re coherent enough to see the impending collision.
Meanwhile, the victims could be facing any random direction, could get hit from any random direction, and likely won’t have any idea they’re getting hit. So while the drunk driver has all of the benefits of their vehicle’s superior head-on collision serviceability, the victims might be getting t-boned while they’re in all kinds of awkward positions, reaching over their back seat to tend to their children for instance.
It’s kinda like how people who are really irresponsible with firearms only ever end up hurting people around them. It’s easy to survive an incident when you’re the one pointing the weapon (i.e., your out of control Camaro) at an innocent family.
In this case they likely got hit so hard from behind that I ruptured the fuel tank and burst into flames immediately. I doubt there was enough time for anyone to do anything to save them.
I looked up his name to see his mugshot and there was *another* underage Eduardo Gonzales that ran over a pregnant woman while drunk in El Paso just this past October. Jesus.
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These accidental are getting statistically significant. Two hits to stopped vehicles by drivers not paying attention within my friends in past 2 weeks.
Needs some strong messaging for a while so people are reminded.
In this specific case, likely he wouldn’t. However, it would prevent many others from doing the same with a potential outcome that could be similar. So many people drive insanely and drunk as shit on the interstates within DFW, because they know there will never be a cop behind them or in front of them.
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Good job bud. You got yourself shadow muted in Dallas lmao.
Seems like tried to make a comment about me needing to read better but it seems that you didn't understand what was even going on lol.
Of course I know what's going on.
You talk about projection and lack of communication skills, but it seems that you are the one struggling not me. I get a feeling that you didn't follow the whole comment chain and got lost along the way.
Accidents like this are the main reason people buy larger vehicles with more mass for their families, like full size trucks and SUVs. There are definitely safety tradeoffs like rollover risk, but there’s also a reason iihs crash test compare like-for-like class of vehicle, and not what happens when your 3200lb Camaro hits a 7400lb super duty.
> Also any lifted truck,
That's what I said that you replied to. Since you didn't exclude lifted, dually, oversized trucks, your contention to me was that they were purchased for "safety".
No biggie, just thought I'd clear it up.
Only confirming you had cherry picked lifted trucks out of your basis, which included “pretty much any truck.”
Tbh I didn’t even read your comment at first, I only saw “you know what’s worse truck truck truck truck!” Lol
And that I'm itself becomes a problem because when those heavier vehicles cause a crash, they're more likely to cause a severe injury or fatality to pedestrians, those in smaller vehicles, and even those in other large vehicles simply because there's significantly more force at play.
I don't blame people for choosing vehicles that ensure safety for their own family, but on a broader societal level ever heavier vehicles isn't the solution to ensuring safety on our streets and roads
#I KNOW THAT PICKUP!!
Lol, I'm a Ford fanboy. Every car I've ever purchased has been a Ford. I've been lucky to avoid problems too, except on my first car which was also my dad's first car, not unexpectedly due to age and crazy mileage on it.
I may buy another brand some day, because I've liked tons of others. My guess is my first non Ford will be a Shelby Cobra Kit though with a Coyote or whatever's current in it.
Supposedly the 2500 model is the worst (or whatever the mid one is).
They want the 3500, but can't afford it. I remember reading that somewhere, lol.
I will say this, I did like having a truck the few years I had one (bought it for my building/construction job, and to piss off the ex wife, which it did O:-).
The amount of reckless driving I’ve witnessed from college aged students when I was a college student…
The worst is when they make fun of you for being scared of “everything”.
I had a drunk douche in a tesla almost hit me 3 different times Friday night. Oh, and he tried to race me twice with the windows down screaming and hollering. No one is immune to being a dumbass.
Alcohol is a controlled drug. One of the items put in place for the repealed 19th amendment was that there had to be beer and alcohol distribution to track and control the amount sold to any one place. While it is controlled by states and wholesale, they can only do so much. Just like any drug, if someone wants it bad enough, they are going to get it. Then something like this happens. It's incredibly sad.
This is 2nd incident within 10 days that a family is killed becuase of an idiot in an overspeeding camaro/challenger. 75/635/35 it doesn’t matter, this city is filled with dumbass good-for-nothing pieces of sh*t behind the wheel.
DFW and surrounding areas have shit enforcement compared to other states. Patrolling on highways is near non existent, majority of the idiot driving being talked about on this sub on a daily basis can be prevented by enforcement, tailgating, speeding, erratic driving, street racing.
Just have cops on the roads should lessen this type of bullshit driving.
Fuck drunk drivers, fuck cars, fuck that our cities are designed so we have to depend on these deadly vehicles to move around and we’ve made it so easy for idiots like this kid to have access to these death machines. These kind of news always fill me with so much dread and hopelessness. We may be too far gone in this state.
It would be amazing to live in walkable cities with better public transportation, I see stories like these popping up and I fear for my family and myself
Well, except for the 4M people in the USA that would instantly lose their jobs, likely throwing the USA and the the world in to a global recession that would probably last a decade or more.
The human species has had a relationship to alcohol that predates Christ by at least seven thousand years. We tried prohibition and it not only failed, it created even worse problems like industrial-scale organized crime in this country. Did you know that the US government killed thousands of citizens by deliberately tainting barrels of liquor with methanol? The idea was to make people afraid to drink because their government might have poisoned their illegal booze.
Like it or not, the vast majority of people who consume alcohol do so responsibly and don't abuse it. It has its place in our society and culture. If you truly want an alcohol-free experience there are countries whose dominant religions controls their governments and ban alcohol outright.
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Under Texas law he can't be tried for murder because that requires proving intent to kill. If he was charged with murder the jury would have no choice but to acquit. They're charging him with intoxication manslaughter.
I know nobody here seems to have empathy for the 19 year old, but I do feel sorry for him/her. 19 year olds aren’t known for making good decisions and it sucks that they ruined their life and the lives of the people driving in the other car in the span of a night.
My little bro was drunk and got into a wreck didn’t hit anyone else but his friends got hurt all had pain, bruises, and what not, all were drunk and underaged. I asked him where he got the alcohol from he said he had gotten it from one of the drive thru where the girls wear bikinis smh
People are not competent to drive around in 4-10,000 lbs weapons, there will always be idiots, fools, and mistakes. How many more people have to die from avoidable causes before we quit wasting time and money by building more and bigger car infrastructure instead of public transportation?
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This is a binary decision: more cars=more unnecessary death, more public transit=healthier, happier people with less costs and emissions.
Part of the challenge to sell people who know very little about how a good public transit system works is to disabuse them of their preconceived notions. But I can't do that quickly in a reddit comment when I gotta get out the door and into doing traffic instead of chillin on public transit while I bs around on my phone like I would if we had good public transit.
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You're going to walk around in the same weather, bub, the difference is where. I thought Texans were supposed to be tough?
> more cars=more unnecessary death, more public transit=healthier, happier people
Do businesses make more money from accidents/deaths or happy/healthy people?
Like it's going to change anything. Idiots under 21 will still obtain their driver licenses and drive like teenage idiots they are. And drunk driving will still be a 'TX culture bro'. Just look at any bar/restaurant and 90% of visitors getting in their cars tipsy or drunk all over TX.
I am in no way excusing drunk driving, but if we had more public transit around here, maybe people wouldn't feel like they need to involve a vehicle when they go out drinking.
In cities with public transit, you never have to worry about getting home. The train or bus will always be there.
I don’t blame alcohol, I don’t blame whoever he got it from and I don’t blame the cars. I hold the person responsible who was intoxicated behind a steering wheel of a deadly weapon. Same goes for the people driving while watching Netflix or whatever they are doing on their phone which is apparently more important than their own lives and those around them.
The worst part is DWI’s only start out as M/Bs per Texas law. I think first offenses should be a M/A, and then any subsequent offenses should be felonies. Drunk drivers are not punished proportionately to the damage they cause
There's a lot of idiots out there from the drunk drivers, the phone lookers, no blinker lane changers, under the speed limit passing laners, road ragers, swervers, rubber neckers, and the cut you off just to fit in the tiny safe distance between you and the car in front of youers. This is why my family drives tanks now. Not risking dying in the Texas thunder dome!
How rotted and riddled with holes is your brain to think a situation where 3 adults and 2 children lost their lives needs to be pivoted to guns and politics?
What was the goal of this hack troll job? To convince people that this guy wasn’t parroting an obvious pro-gun talking point? To announce to everyone that you have extremely weak reading comprehension?
Once again - if you read "assault cars ban" and think someone is threatening your precious guns, that's on you. You got trolled and bit hard. Because the word "gun" was in your head, not in what you read.
(and by "you" I don't mean "you" necessarily, but it's pretty obvious that if I change it to "one" instead of "you" there are people in here who wouldn't understand)
The person was trying to make a comment saying "assault cars" should be banned like "assault weapons". They were trying to strawman and attack gun control. I think you are just confused.
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I honestly have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
You think I’m defending guns. I am not. I am calling the guy actually defending his guns (the assault car ban commenter) a lunatic. He is invoking the talking point to defend his guns. You somehow think I took his comment as an attack on my non existent love for guns.
My bad, I hadn't entertained the thought that there would be more than one idiot arguing that "assault car ban" was a threat to their precious emotional support AR.
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You joke, but I’m honestly appalled by the size and performance of a lot of modern vehicles, especially considering the smooth-brained walking catastrophes that drive them. The Hummer EV comes to mind (even if it’s relatively rare); with a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds and a gross weight of almost 10,000 lbs., crashing one of those at high speed is like dropping a small precision guided bomb on whatever you hit.
My ex wife almost killed someone in a head on collision. She was going the wrong way on 35 and had a .2BAC. This was in the summer of 2022.
I’ve gone no contact, but following her court case has been infuriating as her dad throws money at some scummy defense lawyer to draw out her consequences as long as possible….
Ex wife resentment aside, I can confidently say that anyone who injures another person driving drunk should be put away for attempted murder. Full stop.
Most likely NOT just a slap on the hand. Yes, some DUIs result in relatively minimal sentences. But typically DUIs that involve significant injuries, or in this case, multiple intoxication manslaughter charges result in pretty serious sentences upon conviction. VERY unlikely this will result in just a "slap on the hand".
Keep in mind that "intoxication" or DUI for someone under 21 in the state of Texas is \*ANY\* amount of detectable alcohol. Or DUI is also the charge for being under the influence of other substances. Based on the facts listed in this article alone, and the charges filed so far, the 19 year old could have had half a beer and pinged a .001 on his blood draw at the hospital or even just admitted to smoking marijuana earlier in the day. Or he just as well could have been shitfaced drunk and ripping cocaine lines while doing 130mph. The facts of this case are not clear from the information presented, other than the unquestionably tragic loss of life.
Why do the drunk drivers always survive. For those that believe in god, tell god it’s doing it wrong. Also, as I’ve said in another post, intoxicated manslaughter isn’t strong enough charge. This person murdered a family.
Drunk drivers tend to hit their victims head-on, and head-on collisions are easier to survive. Meanwhile, getting unexpectedly rear-ended or t-boned by an out of control Camaro deprives the victims of most of the benefits their car’s safety features would otherwise provide. Side crumple zones are minimal, side/curtain airbags can only do so much, and vehicle frames in general are much worse at absorbing impacts at any angle other than a perfectly square collision to the front or rear of the vehicle.
That's not what that article is saying at all.
> There is a folk belief that drunken injuries, especially those incurred during car crashes, are likely to be less severe, due perhaps to increased relaxation or limpness at the time of an accident. But Friedman says his research has convinced him that this belief is "probably grossly overestimated and false."
> His findings don't show that a drunk driver's injuries during a car crash are likely to be less serious than those suffered by potential sober victims, just that if all parties suffer the same injuries, the sober ones are more likely to die.
> "You don't die from the injury itself, you die from the subsequent physiological response, things like inflammation and rapid fluid loss," Friedman told Life's Little Mysteries. "If you get shot by a gun, it's not the hole that kills you."
> And it's when a person's body goes into emergency preservation mode — tripping a cascade of physiological panic buttons that can ironically end in death — that alcohol seems to help most.
People always say it’s because drunk drivers body is so relaxed but I also think the inertia caused by speeding always gives the victims the full brunt of the impact.
Geez, this is why I take the “Nothing good ever happens after midnight” saying to heart. It’s not you but others you have to watch out for that late at night.
My theory on this is that we know several of the breathalyzer companies like smart start, etc are owned by or heavily invested in by several lifer Texas politicians.
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