Bombardier Ecojet - expected to be certified and commercially available by 2026
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Daniel272@reddit
Let's hope Boeing doesn't make us Canadians dump this one again... RIP CSeries
Hattix@reddit
Wasn't entirely on Boeing, though Boeing did rightly take the fall for it.
Boeing was in advanced negotiations to contribute to the CSeries and, as part of those negotiations, wanted to devalue the CSeries (this was a massive dick move) by having tariffs threatened against it. Of course Boeing and Bombardier would come to an agreement, Boeing would gain the most advanced narrowbody in its class, and finally be able to fill the hole the MD-8x adn 717 had left.
Everyone would be happy.
What Boeing did not expect was a change in US leadership and a president with little to no business sense. The new president used an executive order to put tariffs on the CSeries, which meant Boeing had just taken a massive punch in the face from its own president. If the tariffs existed, not just the threat of them, the CSeries was indeed devalued, but also now had much less value to Boeing.
Since Boeing had been suing for the tariffs (which it fully intended as just a negotiating chip), Boeing took the blame for it, and rightly so. Boeing then also lost the CF-18 Hornet (which it was absolutely going to win) to Lockheed Martin's F-35 - Trudeau had said he saw the F-35 as unnecessary and wanted the Hornet Extension Programme instead, but now his hands were tied, it was politically impossible to go ahead with Boeing after what Boeing had just done to Canada.
Tsao_Aubbes@reddit
Also worth mentioning is the C Series Bombardier were selling to Delta wwre super cheap. Cost to produce at that time was around 70m USD, they were going to sell them for less than half of that to Delta. Under those grounds I can sort of understand a dumping suit even though it fell through because most of the plane's value (engines, avionics, FBW system) originates in America
pdf27@reddit
Not forgetting the Embraer shenanigans as well.
Broad_Parsnip7947@reddit
More proof Boeing should be done away with
erhue@reddit
hmm, sounds like they played stupid games, and won stupid prizes.
hoppla1232@reddit
Insane what just not being a dick will get you in the aircraft manufacturer industry
Dedwards_est_22@reddit
This is the best summary of these shenanigans I think I've ever seen
Such-Oven36@reddit
It in fact will not be available in 2026. It will scoop up some money from investors.
Falcon_Fluff@reddit
I'll believe it when I see it, that's an incredibly ambitious timeline
AmateurJenius@reddit (OP)
Prototyping began on the 2nd EcoJet design in 2021, and the airframe was built in 2023. Ground testing began and first flight was completed this year (2024). It is ambitious but is progressing forward.
superdude4agze@reddit
Got any links you can provide? All images online of this thing are renderings or of a drone that's about 2 feet all.
Guysmiley777@reddit
What is this, an airliner for ANTS?!?
Available_Sir5168@reddit
How can we expect people to fly if they can’t even fit inside the airplane?
derekcz@reddit
Huge news for the gnome travel industry
InconspicuousIntent@reddit
thereal_ninjabill@reddit
Ha! You knucklehead
whsftbldad@reddit
Better than knuckle dragger
Sullfer@reddit
Gnomes RULE!
Eharmz@reddit
Gnome sayin'?
TemporaryAmbassador1@reddit
JRoc?
Eharmz@reddit
The microphone assassin.
My_useless_alt@reddit
https://www.aerospacetestinginternational.com/features/how-bombardier-is-scaling-up-its-ecojet-research-program.html
I found this article with images/video of a small-scale mockup flying, so they've at least demonstrated the shape of the plane is functional and it won't flip backwards on takeoff or anything.
Still, drone mockup to commercial certification in 2 years isn't going to happen.
I am now realising you mentioned the drone, but still.
erhue@reddit
first flight where? Give us a link to that, haven't seen a first flight of this anywhere.
NedTaggart@reddit
I'm just going to ask, if this is an actual flying airframe, why are we only seeing artist renderings? where is an actual pic?
BlitzOverlord@reddit
There is no flying air frame. Just go browse Bombardier press releases, it’s a drone. OP has no clue what they’re talking about. If there was an airframe there would be A. Lots of press and B. Plenty of plane spotter photos from either Montreal, Toronto, or Wichita.
NedTaggart@reddit
Yeah. This is what I was thinking. Being less than 2 years from certification means they have been test flying prototypes for a minute.
IlluminatedPickle@reddit
Nope.
Even Bombardier doesn't claim they've built a full size airframe lmao.
God this sub went to shit.
octopus4488@reddit
Ok, that is even worse. The headrest on it won't be certified until 2030.
metarinka@reddit
It took Textron 8+ years to do the Cessna 410 and that's just a 2 engine C208. That seems like a very sporty timeline for a new blended wing PJ.
OrdinaryLatvian@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIWai4acAhw
Maxrdt@reddit
A subscale test model is not an airframe. Nor is it prototyping.
crazy_pilot742@reddit
So for reference, the Global 7000, a completely conventional jet, went from first flight of the production prototype to entry into service in about 25 months. Assembly and ground testing of the first aircraft took two years before that flight happened.
Keep in mind this was done with a massive ramp up of manpower and money and a fully operational assembly line. The Globals are the company cash cow so Bombardier threw everything that wasn't tied up in the CSeries at it.
The Ecojet is, so far, just a sub scale demonstrator. It doesn't have a production line and isn't getting the same financial backing that previous development aircraft have.
FlyingGoat88@reddit
The Global 7000 is based on a certified design that is over 40 years old.
BlitzOverlord@reddit
This reads like you skimmed 3 business insider articles… None of what you have said is accurate. The ecojet is currently a scaled drone mockup. There is no flight test vehicle.
TheBigCheese85@reddit
The Flight test was a scaled down RC model
ackermann@reddit
Was that a full-scale prototype that flew? If not, then 2 years is ridiculously ambitious, very unlikely to happen.
2028, best case scenario for certification I’d say
Adventurous_Pea_1156@reddit
Mad deceiving comment, u made me think this was flying and they just made a drone
KypAstar@reddit
Holy hell, that's lightning speed for jet development.
Bravo Bombardier.
Crazywelderguy@reddit
Unless they are ramping up production 2 years ago, it is unlikely to be available next year. Sure and A320 can be built in a month, but this is a new and very drastically different from conventional airframes.
thereal_ninjabill@reddit
Well the airframe that was flight tested in 2024 was a small 18 foot. Far cry from a full version flight test
iprefermuffins@reddit
Looks like it was an unmanned sub-scale prototype, right? That's still cool, but it seems like they have a long way to go.
syringistic@reddit
Yes, phase 1 was a 7' model, phase 2 an 18' model. Not seeing any news about a full-scale prototype being built yet.
imgoodatpooping@reddit
It won’t be built on time, there will be unexpected costs and Bombardier will be begging Canadian taxpayers for yet another bailout as is tradition. I hope I’m wrong.
Sensitive_Paper2471@reddit
I was going to say the same, even for a bizjet that's super fast
GlockAF@reddit
I would be surprised if the skylights make it into the final design. Actually, I’ll be surprised if this design makes it into the air at all in the next five years
Broad_Parsnip7947@reddit
Why no to skylights?
GlockAF@reddit
They are an unnecessary complication
theemptyqueue@reddit
It needs more winglets, imo.
Jessky56@reddit
If this is flying any time by 2026 (and i dont mean a single small scale prototype) i will drink my own piss, this timeline is way to ambitious
BlitzOverlord@reddit
OP pulled that timeline straight out of their ass. Bombardier hasn’t said that anywhere.
meowalater@reddit
In a climate change sense, there is no such thing as an "eco" private jet.
phoenix_shm@reddit
Using laminar flow and trying to take advantage other BWB benefits with a not too "out there" design - I like it! Hopefully they can follow up with a scaled up version, too!
OD_Emperor@reddit
Bombardier took a decade to bring the CS into commercial viability and even then they needed help from Airbus.
To think that they could bring a completely radical and clean sheet design to flight in two years is ludicrous.
BlacksmithNZ@reddit
I am also skeptical, but I believe they have been working on this for 3-4 years with scale models and computer models.
Even 5 years, is unrealistic, but in theory these days you can integrate COTS engines, flight control systems faster and air-frame should be all CAD-CAM (assuming carbon) fibre so could still be relatively fast for first flight. I would pick 10 years minimum
OD_Emperor@reddit
Scale and computer models are radically different to one that flies people though.
One-Internal4240@reddit
Are you denying the glory of the buzzword that is DIGITAL TWIN!? Heresy!
Wait, now there is also DIGITAL THREAD. Also glorious!
We need a third to create a proper trinity to genuflect in front of.
OD_Emperor@reddit
lol basically yeah
BlacksmithNZ@reddit
True, but at least Bombardier have built airworthy aircraft that have be certified for carrying passengers, so have some credibility
How many renders do we see from start-up companies promising advanced aircraft next year, who have only ever built the render or a model at best?
Even 18-foot-wide test vehicle built and flying last year, is the size and weight of a useful reconnaissance UAV.
So if they can keep momentum and scale up to a manned vehicle in the next \~5 years, it might be viable to produce a small business jet/civil aviation passenger carrying aircraft
ckrichard@reddit
2017 Boeing said the same thing and look how that turned out.
OD_Emperor@reddit
You could also say that just about every manufacturer that sells aircraft to the public. Unless it's a one seater, they're pretty much all certified to carry passengers.
tmandell@reddit
Don't forget AI will do all the hard work, so it should be ready by next week!
BlacksmithNZ@reddit
Yeah, nah.
But Airbus, SpaceX and BAE at least (and I assume all the bigger aerospace players), are putting lots of work into CAD systems that are pretty smart, so reduce cycle time for design, build and test.
I know an engineer who did a bit of work on Rocket labs, and with 3D-printing (sintered titanium) parts, they can model something like a new bracket, valve or connector, print and test within days. It used to take weeks to request a machine shop to make the new design, then do acceptance testing of the structure being returned from a third part contractor.
It's not like you can ask ChatGPT to print you a new supersonic airliner, but all the incremental improvements add up so that a new fuselage or wing design should not take 20 years these days.
tmandell@reddit
I guess I missed the /s on my post.
ComeGateMeBro@reddit
Looks sick, now make a bigger one that replaces the 737/a320 size jet. It's time to move past the 60+ year old jet designs.
SniffMyBotHole@reddit
Bullshite. 2036 maybe.
flyingscotsman12@reddit
How do you become a millionaire in the aviation industry? Start out as a billionaire.
wrongwayup@reddit
Basically what Laurent Beaudoin’s kids are finding out
wrongwayup@reddit
Bombardier’s last clean-sheet design was the C Series, which took ~5 years from launch to first flight and another ~2 years to certify, and it was a more conventional configuration. I wish them luck but I am not holding my breath for 2026. My over/under is 2030.
NMi_ru@reddit
[i know almost nothing]
USSR’s TU-154 had an alarming crash rate with the engines in the back, afaik it was because when the plane exceeded some (presumably small) angle (of attack?), the wings impeded the air flow into the engines.
Wouldn’t this plane suffer from the same problem?
narwhal_breeder@reddit
The TU design team didn’t have the luxury of modern CFD tools to catch and iterate on these issues early
erhue@reddit
yeah 2026 my ass, that thing ain't even flying yet.
Stellar_Starfish@reddit
Not sure how "eco" it is really going to be..
all_is_love6667@reddit
how much eco is this ecojet?
if it saves about 20% or 30% fuel that is not going to be enough
friedrice33@reddit
They’ll build it then end up selling it to airbus for $1
pusclemutal@reddit
That's great news! Can't wait to see if it actually takes off... *wink wink*
Boeing-777x@reddit
Damn that’s badass!
chromatophoreskin@reddit
Slightly Rutanic, no?
91361_throwaway@reddit
Remindme! Two years
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CaswellOfficial@reddit
lol expected in 2026 by whom?
TheManWhoClicks@reddit
2026? No. 2036? Also no.
ManaMagestic@reddit
Looks like a...possibly easier to build BWB?
Ruin369@reddit
2026? Do they mean 2036?
girl_incognito@reddit
DOUBT IT.
shockadin1337@reddit
yeah idk about that but it genuinely looks really cool, like a supervillians private jet
UW_Ebay@reddit
op just engagement farming…
FlyingGoat88@reddit
Yea right, maybe 2036 and that’s a big maybe.
Impressive-Work-4964@reddit
Like a flying manta ray
richdrich@reddit
Do the engines have a reheat option? I know it wouldn't be very eco- but it starts off eco, so the afterburners would just take it back to "regular".
whrbl@reddit
That engine placement really says "my spouse left me for a mechanic and took the kids"
richdrich@reddit
I'm assuming it's stealth, so that global
criminalsbusinesspeople can enter and leave countries undetected.Nora_Walkuerie@reddit
Honestly that looks like way less of a pain to work on than a traditional tail engine setup. Obviously underwing is easier still but like, you can absolutely stand on the stabilizer
LightningFerret04@reddit
A-10 maintenance
just_anotherReddit@reddit
How long till this image is posted on r/noncredibledefense as a future A-10?
Bismuth84@reddit
Looks good.
Guysmiley777@reddit
2026? Oh ya. Sure, sure.
TinKicker@reddit
“Commercially available” = Taking non-refundable down payments on future production at some non-specified timeframe.
CrazedAviator@reddit
Can't wait to see the first prototype roll out in 2040
TaskForceCausality@reddit
It’s a realistic timeline. I’d expect the PowerPoint presentation to be certified and ready for public distribution in 2 years.
As for the aircraft? If it ever sees production, our descendants might see it fly.
ThePenIslands@reddit
Oh cool. Anyway...
buddahsumo@reddit
So 2033?
Turbo_SkyRaider@reddit
2062
Domspun@reddit
I like your optimism.
forzaguy125@reddit
Welcome back beech starship
Mysterious-Hat-6343@reddit
Canadia Eco-Jet. Twin turbo fans are lubricated with bacon grease, wings and fuselage kept clean and efficient by regular cleaning with Molsen Golden.
thinkscotty@reddit
Would you like to wager money on the 2026 date? : ) I'm guessing 2030 is more likely.
Max-entropy999@reddit
I'm all for aero innovations but I'm surprised anyone thinks this one will have a market. People who fly bizjets don't like the attention they get due to the jets carbon emissions. Even if you cut its emissions in half, it's still a huge emission rate per passenger.mile. flying around in this thing would be like painting a target in yourself, displaying how out of touch you are if you think the airplane makes it ok.
It's very pretty tho.
dragonlax@reddit
People who fly biz jets don’t care about their carbon output.
Idontevenlikecheese@reddit
No, but higher efficiency makes them cheaper to run for companies who lease them out. And a lot of people who fly private don't own their own jet.
AntiGravityBacon@reddit
Less emissions is highly driven by fuel efficiency. Better efficiency means longer range and/or lower fuel cost. Both things are highly desirable by private jet people.
Engines behind the passenger compartment are much quieter inside too.
No one is buying any jet that they can brag about efficiency on but it can make a great bonus platitude in addition to the benefits you care about.
onebronyguy@reddit
X doubt
mikeeginger@reddit
Super cool looking tho
Throwaway1303033042@reddit
https://youtu.be/0N5nAGZnDUk?si=3b84UG03UT9KlvsL