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Serpent OS Prealpha0 Released

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Metallic_Madness@reddit

Of course it's another GNOME distribution. It's ALWAYS a GNOME distribution
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tangerine29@reddit

GNOME is just great can't blame them.
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PureTryOut@reddit

So is KDE Plasma but there is basically no KDE-first distribution besides KDE Neon :'(
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Java_enjoyer07@reddit

KDE Linux is a image based immutable arch based distro that is KDE First its in pre alpha but usuable enough on a back up device.
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PureTryOut@reddit

I know, I mentioned this before KDE Linux was announced (check the date of the post vs the announcement at Akademy).
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dustojnikhummer@reddit

Manjaro as an Arch spin?
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PureTryOut@reddit

Manjaro is terrible and is not a "KDE distribution". The owner/main dev even publicly stated that he prefers GNOME.
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Wooden-Opposite3557@reddit

Cosmic is being packaged up already. Already running it with Cosmic in a VM. Once cosmic alpha is released on the 8th, this will follow very very shortly afterwards
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tangerine29@reddit

Yeah, I've tried some of the cosmic apps can't wait!
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djustice_kde@reddit

not always. system-linux(.com) is kde+blackarch by default. it's pure monochrome kde. custom installer, generates an icon set and color-schemes with one button. also lets you pick desktop/pkg groups/third party repos the old school way.
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aliendude5300@reddit

Honestly, I kind of love GNOME, it's a great default. It's well thought-out, stable, and supported.
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OrseChestnut@reddit

Fear not - Serpent OS is more focused on development. The aim is to rebase Solus on Serpent OS which will give users a choice of XFCE, Cosmic, Plasma or Gnome.
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lonely_firework@reddit

Oh.. another one.. Imagine if we could just stick to a few distributions and make them rock solid.
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Kruug@reddit

Why contribute when the fork button is _literally_ right there?
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civillinux@reddit

Because creating something new is always exciting. People who worked on 20 years old legacy code know what I mean
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Kruug@reddit

And then the dopamine hit wears off, and you stop maintaining it, and it becomes another shitty unmaintained distro like all the rest. Bebian, Mint, Hannah Montana Linux, uWuntu, Satanic Linux, Pop, Ubuntu CE, Devuan, etc.
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dustojnikhummer@reddit

Why is Mint on that list?
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Kruug@reddit

Mint came about because Ubuntu couldn't legally ship certain media codecs. So, Mint shipped with them illegally. Ubuntu is now able to ship with them, and Ubuntu has a more competent dev team.
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dustojnikhummer@reddit

> So, Mint shipped with them illegally. That depends on jurisdiction. >Ubuntu has a more competent dev team. That is a weird way to misspell the word "larger"
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Kruug@reddit

That is true. There are a few countries that don't follow Berne Convention and don't care about proprietary things. Places like China and North Korea.
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dustojnikhummer@reddit

Or France r/VLC/comments/1000pc3/why_has_vlc_not_been_sued/
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Kruug@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/VLC/s/gjW3ONah4s And Canonical is based out of London, so they have to follow UK law. Even if it's legal in France, it would be illegal for Ubuntu to distribute it.
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macOSsequoia@reddit

3 of those are maintained, and all if them are forks
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Kruug@reddit

And none of them are good.
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macOSsequoia@reddit

i disagree. pop_os is great for a beginner who doesn't want to mess with nvidia drivers, mint is great if for some reason you don't like snaps, and devuan is good if you don't want systemd
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Kruug@reddit

Ubuntu installs Nvidia drivers during the main installation process. Ubuntu works without snaps after entering two commands. Why avoid systemd? Unless you're conflating systemd the init/daemon manager with systemd the organization that has developed additional modules for the systemd system that aren't requirements...
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civillinux@reddit

So what. It's a hobby nothing more. Software development doesn't have to be philanthropic.
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Kruug@reddit

Then treat it as a hobby. Not every hobby needs to have an unfinished product released into the wild.
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civillinux@reddit

No one is forced to download the images. That is the beauty of free and open software. For some reason the Linux community thinks that they have an obligation.
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Kruug@reddit

The devs also aren't forced to link their senior project here...
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civillinux@reddit

Linux enforces User responsibility. That is basically one of the Root principles. If you aren't mature enough to decide if a software package has a lts future or not just don't download it. Especially when you think about using it in a productive environment
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Wooden-Opposite3557@reddit

But this isn't a fork?
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djustice_kde@reddit

i've been on linux for 20+ years. shit happens. "rock solid" is just a perspective and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. every install is rock solid until it isn't. gotta fuck around and find out. if you don't break it, you won't learn nothin'. my left arm is tattooed with the various distros i've grokked over the years. redhat, debian, gentoo, suse, arch… done by a tombstone etcher, they use the same equipment. i'd rather read the arch wiki than the rpm spec or debian reference again tbh. hell, i'd rather read lfs backwards than have to read the deb ref again.
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Wooden-Opposite3557@reddit

For anyone interested: https://forums.serpentos.com/d/80-how-to-install-serpentos
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vancha113@reddit

What's the selling point of serpentos? I've seen a couple posts about it so far, but can't remember hearing about it before recently.
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Wooden-Opposite3557@reddit

Building from the ground up so it isn't just a re-spin of something else. They posted this earlier today: https://x.com/Serpent_OS/status/1819668538145026281 They are building on a rust first basis, it has a brand new package manager that is honestly rapid. It's designed in a way that any install can be reverted if there is an issue and without reboot. They are first building with gnome but already packaging up Cosmic. It's called PreAlpha0 to really highlight this is more of a technical preview and not ready for daily usage. Proper version numbering will come later.
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HermeticPurusha@reddit

So it’s not really trying to solve any real life use case. None of what you list are really good to try it. Not enough user base to troubleshoot the alpha package manager. It’s fast now, who knows if it will be when it scales to 20k packages or so… No community either. It’s a pass for me.
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Wooden-Opposite3557@reddit

Okay
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NaheemSays@reddit

Those seem to be the same talking points to his previous two distros?
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joebonrichie@reddit

Atomic package manager that works like a traditional package manager instead of layering, forced reboots, relying on filesystem features, etc. Check out how 'moss state' works in a VM if you're inclined. Additionally, It'll be minimal work to lock down /usr to make it immutable as well.
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pcs3rd@reddit

Why this against ostree or nix based installs?
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Wooden-Opposite3557@reddit

So for expectation management, the short answer is you wouldn't use SerpentOS/Moss over ostree or nix right now because they are production ready solutions where SerpentOS/Moss is very much in development. SerpentOS is no way near production ready. I would encourage you to spin up the OS in a VM and give it a try. You will need to create a 1gb ESP partition and I would recommend at least 30GB for a second partition. Since it was first launched like two days ago, cosmic is being packaged, gnome has been updated to 46 from 45.3, flathub repo is added as standard so it's already seen some decent movement from the new launch articles that have been written about it. Make no mistake though, this is not even an alpha so whilst it's surprising useable (with flatpak) it's got a long way to go. As such, why this over ostree or nix, time will tell because that can't be answered right now.
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AsexualSuccubus@reddit

Last I saw this it was all D based. Ikey pls.
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Wooden-Opposite3557@reddit

They originally were doing down the Dlang route but issues on that side, they pivoted to Rust and the pace has massively increased and they are able to do more
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TuxTuxGo@reddit

Congrats. I wish you the best. The distro looks promising and interesting. I'm looking forward to the beta
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aliendude5300@reddit

This looks really interesting from an automated transaction rollback point of view. I've been using the universal blue images for a while now, and I definitely appreciate how hard it is to break anything
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HermeticPurusha@reddit

Ah another distro, anyway…
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SaltedPaint@reddit

New flavor different disaster
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Born-Slippery@reddit

Sounds like they don't understand semantic versioning so I wonder what other components of their project are amateurish as well.
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skivtjerry@reddit

The guy behind it is a very capable pro but he tends to lose interest after awhile. But pre-Alpha? That's like, "I had a thought this morning".
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Born-Slippery@reddit

No, it's preAlpha0, the dreamstate release. preAlpha1 is for morning coffee thoughts.
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Wooden-Opposite3557@reddit

Fire up a VM and give it a try. It's surprisingly usable with flatpaks already
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Wooden-Opposite3557@reddit

He has been working on it for four years in the background already so even if he did drop it today, it couldn't be stated it was done on a whim.
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skivtjerry@reddit

True enough; we will see where it goes.
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