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People already do it on the time and don't need self reporting cars. They make shit up so the police look for one particular car while they can get away with speeding and passing people around blind corners.

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My_Booty_Itches@reddit

And nobody likes that.

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Poliosaurus@reddit

Well I didn’t need another reason to not buy a Ford, but they gave me one anyways.

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LeadfootYT@reddit

Doesn’t matter what you buy. The tech is to identify, document, and report vehicles around every Ford.

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Poliosaurus@reddit

If ford is the one manufacturing it, then it does matter. You can not buy a ford to keep these off the road. This is state surveillance no matter how you spin it, and it is being made possible by a private corp. the simple answer to stop it, is to have no one purchase cars with the tech. Logically, what you said makes no sense.

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LeadfootYT@reddit

How many brand new Fords do you buy per year that your consumer strike would matter to anyone? Are you outpacing Budget Rental Car and your local municipal vehicle fleet purchases? This system is still going to take all the photos it wants of your license plate, no matter how many Fords you continue not to buy.

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Poliosaurus@reddit

Then don’t rent fords from those buyers…just laying over and accepting this is insane to me… why does everyone just accept this shit now??4”remember when Americans had a spine? I guess that is pre patriot act when people valued independence over safety, but ticketing more for speeding is more about money. But that’s cool let’s all just roll over and let them have their way.

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LeadfootYT@reddit

Did we read the same article? This is an external feature and so much worse than “your Focus ST reports you driving 59 in a 55”. If this is implemented, you driving your Honda next to a Ford means it’s been photographed and documented. The only thing you can do to avoid this is never drive next to a Ford ever. Good luck with that I guess.

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Poliosaurus@reddit

Again if the owner of the car who takes the picture wouldn’t have bought the car in the first place said report never happens. Your argument is all over the place. Point being I don’t give a shit if this was Honda, Hyundai, gmc whoever, the only way this doesn’t happen is to leave those cars unsold. You seem to have a problem with me stating not to buy a ford, when in reality I’m saying people should not buy any car with such a feature.

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Common-Path3644@reddit

I’m with you man. I’ll walk before I’ll buy/rent a narc car. It’s pretty Orwellian that this is even being suggested. It won’t make the roads safer, it will generate income for the state

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Poliosaurus@reddit

Thanks man. I think it’s insane how many on here want to argue on this… when did this shit happen that people are pro big brother?

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Common-Path3644@reddit

It’s weird. Many people claim most engagement is by bots now. I really don’t want any more cameras in my life than are needed. Especially ones that are linked to outside parties lol

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HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit

Didn't read the article bro, they are talking about using the cameras on Fords to report OTHER drivers to police, with the idea being that they use it on a self-driving fleet.

So even if you are driving your 2014 Altima, a 2028 self-driving Ford Uber vehicle, subsidized by the government for being a narc, would end up getting reported to the po-po.

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Shatophiliac@reddit

You can’t fine a vehicle though, you can only fine the driver. And good luck proving X person was driving that car.

I got out of every single speed and red light camera ticket I ever got by simply claiming it wasn’t me driving. Open and shut case. Unless your window is down and the camera catches your face, it’s pretty much unenforceable.

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HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit

You can’t fine a vehicle though, you can only fine the driver. And good luck proving X person was driving that car.

Not true for camera systems already used for speeding tickets, parking tickets, toll road violations, and so forth.

See it on judge judy all the time, the owner of the vehicle is responsible for the bill, and they can then sue the driver in small claims court if not reimbursed.

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tomcat91709@reddit

Big Brother has arrived. Welcome to 1984...

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Aprice40@reddit

I can't wait for a world where all manufacturers adopt this and all the cars are fsd, mass reporting each other for things the owner did not do.. and at whose expense? Ours.

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MRB102938@reddit

Unless they have some new tech miles ahead of the rest, that's not what they mean. They can only know the speed of Ford cars. No way to report another car if you don't know their speed.

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HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit

You can calculate the speed of an object just using a camera by seeing how long it takes to move frame by frame.

With high resolution 360o cameras, you have a LOT of frames to get a pretty good average speed.

Then you just have to compare that speed to the known speed of the vehicle, which can be measured by the speedometer and GPS.

There's certainly a possibility for margin of error, but I'd think you could be accurate to within a mph or two. So if they wanted to err on the side of caution, they could say "your speed was measured at 90mph + or - 5mph, and then write you a ticket for 85mph.

But laws would have to be rewritten to allow that, as others have said right now you can send footage of people running red lights and the police do nothing with that.

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Leafy0@reddit

They better be installing larger doors on the courthouse. I’m facing my accuser, they better haul that random soccer moms exploder into the court room or dismiss the charges.

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HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit

You can face the Hal 9000 Kiosk (Powered by Microsoft^tm) at your local courthouse.

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bigguy1045@reddit

I’m not worried it’s protected by CrowdStrike!!

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Poliosaurus@reddit

Like I said another reason not to buy ford. I don’t give a shit who or what drives it, Ford is building and profiting from it, so another reason not to buy a ford.

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HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit

Not only is my Ford going to report you for speeding, I just forwarded this snarky anti-state comment to the CCP internet police. You just lost 5 social credit score points.

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Bitcoinforthatoneguy@reddit

This is literally about an American company profiting off advancing the Police state in the US and somehow you still find some stupid way to spew brain dead propaganda

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jacketsc64@reddit

r/woooosh

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HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit

< bot >Stop talking. Elevation in heart rate detected, would you like a pill? < bot >

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Furthur@reddit

Buddy if you think they're the only ones doing this you need to just cut the cord and give up your digital life

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Poliosaurus@reddit

If we don’t buy the fords then others will follow. Money talks, if people show they won’t spend money on a narc car they will stop making them… this whole attitude that big brother should be welcomed, is insane to me.

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GoGreenD@reddit

So you're saying we shouldn't have a civilian lead militia aimed at these subsidized cars. Right?

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HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit

Constitutionally, we have a right to arm the bears.

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GoGreenD@reddit

I've got mad 🐻 💪

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Kingseara@reddit

lol the police will not care at all. You can send them dashcam footage of people being wild and they won’t do anything about it

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augustusgrizzly@reddit

for a few years yeah but if this becomes prevalent i can imagine the government coming up with an automated system to give people tickets with this tech.

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crozone@reddit

How to get your car vandalized 101

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regularbastard@reddit

I mean an appropriately placed sticker should do the job, right?

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zipzoomramblafloon@reddit

God, if only there was some way to have a clue as to how fast you're travelling while driving, so you could avoid speeding.

it's too bad such a technology will never exist.

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RentalGore@reddit

Can I report all the altimas only?

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SnaxRacing@reddit

Won’t be happening in Wisconsin, thank christ

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E8282@reddit

Going to be hard to film other drivers in the woods.

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buzzhuzz@reddit

The problem is that other (if not all) manufacturers will do the same in a few years if you just shrug this one.

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Brutally-Honest-@reddit

This is something that islikely going to happen industry wide, regardless of what Ford does/wants.

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sl0r@reddit

I foresee a new set of stickers in my future.

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GuairdeanBeatha@reddit

There was a group in, I believe, England that would rent a car like the one someone they didn’t like drove. They’d then print a fake license plate and drive at high speed past a speed camera. Something like that would wreak havoc on those Fords if they passed themselves well above the speed limit.

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richd7717@reddit

If you got a ticket resulting from one of these Fords’ reports, I wonder what would happen if you demanded to face the accusing “officer” in court and to have the equipment examined for calibration and accuracy.

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aFreeScotland@reddit

They won’t rpeort me to anybody

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MrTacoMan@reddit

Damn bro you sound super tough

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aFreeScotland@reddit

The toughest. Ask my wife’s boyfriend.

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Brandonusuck@reddit

Can confirm, am the wife’s boyfriend’s boyfriend.

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Trebekshorrishmom@reddit

Also confirmed, wife’s boyfriend’s friend here who manages a fantasy football league.

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OnlyFuzzy13@reddit

Can you fix my trade? I totally meant to pick all those winners last time…

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Necessary_Medicine35@reddit

Easy, don't buy ford anymore.

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_Eucalypto_@reddit

The patent is for Fords using external cameras to photograph and report other speeding drivers

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wheelstrings@reddit

Wooooooosh!

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My_Booty_Itches@reddit

No, you.

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brendan0127@reddit (OP)

Lmao I just realized I misspelled it in the title 😂 guess it’s staying that way lol

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Geod-ude@reddit

Lmao that's crazy 🤪🤪🤪😜😝🤑

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No_Clock_8744@reddit

imagine at 1:02 pm accidentally doing 25 in a school zone and then getting $350 ticket

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CommodoreAxis@reddit

Wow, I used to say Ford was the only USDM manufacturer I’d consider buying but not anymore.

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FleshlightModel@reddit

Tesla is more USDM than Ford.

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ProofHorseKzoo@reddit

I’m sure as shit never buying a Tesla as long as Elon Musk is involved.

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FleshlightModel@reddit

I'm not buying one with him in place either however I have a friend who works there and confirms that everyone there hates him. He also says the Tesla today is very much the employees, not musk. But I'd still like to drag my feet before getting the Tesla roof

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That-Ad-3525@reddit

Ford doesn’t want to report anyone to the police, necessarily. Ford does want the patent for a vehicle that can detect and report speeds and of course it would other applications.

A quick look at some of the other Ford patents includes a cylindrical mobile office on wheels, and a deployable motorbike stored on board. I’ve seen neither in production.

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TheAutoAlly@reddit

are the conspiracy theories don't sound so crazy now do they

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JSmooVE39902@reddit

This is probably for the ford cop cars... They sell pursuit variants.

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Liam_M@reddit

Ford = Federal Officer Responds Directly

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hind3rm3@reddit

lol, good one

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Dexter_Adams@reddit

It's ok, because it's a Ford, the system will break shortly after it is used the first time anyway

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Qaz_The_Spaz@reddit

This is why drive around without license plates on my vehicle.

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bob88c@reddit

Ford has so many problems, they should focus on real issues, their issues!

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acorn_cluster@reddit

Get all those fucking dickheads in those useless fucking trucks to learn how to not drive like a piece of shit

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CapnTreee@reddit

The sad part is that Ford is not alone. Our control freak big brudda gubberment has been encouraging ALL automakers to do this in the next few years. Zero privacy. Zero rights but safety. Orwell? Can you still hear me ?

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YellowThirteen_@reddit

I finally stopped driving 90s shitboxes but if shit like this happens I might go back. At least for now I can disconnect the modem to stop insurance tracking, a few years down the road a disconnected modem might disable the ecu.

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leanmeancoffeebean@reddit

I’m curious how you were able to disable connectivity. I love my shit boxes but a new job has me eyeing newer cars likely loaded with all manner of privacy violating equipment and protocol.

Did you just find a wiring diagram and pull fuses or was it more in-depth? From what I understand most connected cars will disable or throw warnings if you mess with that stuff

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NO_AI@reddit

Cellphone and radio frequency jammer plus UV LED spot lights in your back windows.

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leanmeancoffeebean@reddit

So you constantly run a jammer in or near your car, which are expensive, not easy to get, and are prohibited by fcc regulations and most state laws? I was hoping for a serious answer

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Tumble85@reddit

Oh so federal crimes. Good advice

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NO_AI@reddit

Only two of them were illegal in some jurisdictions. The lights are perfectly legal.

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Tumble85@reddit

I don't think any U.S jurisdictions allow cell phone and radio jammers.

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DHR-2018-00@reddit

Insurance tracking? What?

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YellowThirteen_@reddit

Car companies that have modem equipped cars sell location and telemetry to insurance companies. Everything from locations and routes traveled to telemetry like braking/acceleration force and turning speed.

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DHR-2018-00@reddit

Jesus fucking Christ. Isn’t that like a huge infringement on our right to privacy?

What car companies do this? I’d like to try to avoid them like the plague, if I can.

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YellowThirteen_@reddit

Nearly every car company does this these days. Pretty much all cars come with modems for ota updates of the infotainment systems and app connectivity.

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DHR-2018-00@reddit

Damn. What in the Big Brother type shit is this?

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PreparedForZombies@reddit

It's other (Ford) cars reporting your speed, not your car self snitching (for this article at least)

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Xylamyla@reddit

Lmao I remember joking about this when I was a kid. Honestly can’t believe it took this long for a company to actually try it.

Nobody will be buying a car that will snitch on you.

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RenZ245@reddit

Well, new ford f150 is off my list

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spocktalk69@reddit

Is it illegal to take the GPS out of your car when you have a bank note?

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Antique-Dragonfly615@reddit

Another reason NOT to buy a Ford. At least not new.

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px1azzz@reddit

Is this even enforceable?

If it is just a picture, then it doesn't actually show any evidence of speeding. If it sends a video or some sort of lidar analyses, you might be able to argue that the source cannot be trusted. What if the owner of the car modified it to send incorrect reports? What if someone modifies the car to frame you? There would need to be regular calibration, testing, and verification that it is recording data correct.

Of course this sort of shit impacts low income people who do not have the means to fight back. But on its face, this seems very problematic to implement on the legal level, let alone the engineering level.

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KillaBeave@reddit

Not a tough problem to solve. License plates are a known size. The car knows the speed limit on the road it is travelling on and how fast the vehicle with the camera is moving with high precision. Cameras have a high enough frame rate that is consistent enough to know exactly how long it is between 2 frames.

2 frames, call it .25 of a second apart License plate shrunk by x % License plate moved by x feet relative to camera car equating to a 15mph speed differential Camera car is travelling at the speed limit Car in question is travelling 15mph over ... Send both frames, their timestamps, geolocation and current vehicle speed to law enforcement

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px1azzz@reddit

The theoretics of the engineering are not hard, but how do you prevent tampering? How do you make sure everything is calibrated correctly? How do you detect when something isn't collaborated correctly or that the data is wrong?

These are all problems that can be solved but then you need to be able to prove in court that the system is calibrated and functioning correctly. That puts the responsibility on the owner of the car. So now your car is a narc and you're responsible for making sure it is narcing correctly when you probably don't even want it to do it in the first place.

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That_Ad1423@reddit

They can do that but can’t figure out how to stop the rampant theft of F-150s??? So odd

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BrokenforD@reddit

I really need a few dates to decide if I’m comfortable getting rpeorted. Especially with cops to. Not even sure I’m into that.

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atlienk@reddit

I’m actually surprised that insurance companies haven’t already done this with their mobile apps.

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FordsFavouriteTowel@reddit

Did anyone bother to read the article?

Ford DOES NOT HAVE a patent on this (yet, if ever). Simply applying for a patent does not guaranteed the patent gets issued.

There are also legal and privacy matters to be considered (by multiple levels of government, in multiple countries) before the tech is put into production and loaded into vehicles.

This is clickbait and piss poor journalism and you’re all falling for it.

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buzzhuzz@reddit

Nowadays legal concerns are solved by adding full screen EULA saying "we own all your data, press accept to start using your vehicle" with a single button "accept".

And this article says Fort already sharing your data with third parties https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driver-tracking-insurance.html

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blindseal123@reddit

To be fair, 3rd party includes dealerships, which can access diagnostic data. Not all 3rd parties are bad.

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FordsFavouriteTowel@reddit

This article actually doesn’t say Ford is sharing your data, it says GM is.

Worth reading the article in full before you try and use it as evidence.

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Clipper24@reddit

It's unlikely to stand up in court either, if it's used. There is a reason that cops are supposed to calibrate their radar at the beginning of every shift. You would need to have Ford owners regularly bring their vehicles to a dealership to ensure correct calibration. Essentially, you would need to require drivers spend their own time and effort to ensure that they could be appropriately fined if they sped. The whole idea is beyond absurd.

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juttep1@reddit

Welcome to the dumbing down of America. Nobody reads anything. It's all reactionary. So much hyperbole to just Garner clicks en route to ad revenue. It's wild.

Reminds me of my favorite Carl Sagen quote from his 94 book, Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark.:

I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance

Highly recommend it.

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Iliveatnight@reddit

Did anyone bother to read the article?

This is reddit, we skim half of the post's title and either pledge our life to agreeing with it or devote our lives to defending it. Everything else is superfluous details.

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NoReallyLetsBeFriend@reddit

I don't think it matters if it's currently implemented or not. Click bait or not. The fact Does it's even considering this tech is absurd. I suppose an argument can be made in case the limit is 70 and you got some dude doing 100+, but still. Just because the tech is there or could be there, doesn't mean we should use it. Ford will not only patent it, but sell it to other OEMs, that's what we should be worried about. It won't just be Ford, I bet!

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thisonedudethatiam@reddit

I think I speak for everyone when I say “we did not…”

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Themodsarecuntz@reddit

So am I responsible if my deep state speed monitoring equipment isn't up to par and can't be used to do a government entities job? What if the lens is dirty and doesn't take a good picture?

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blahyawnblah@reddit

Hopefully they're just trying to patent it so no one can do it

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TeamMountainLion@reddit

1 in fleet sales especially gov’t vehicles. For narcs, by narcs.

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NoReallyLetsBeFriend@reddit

Yeah good luck with that... Govt money is guaranteed money. And why not charge a ton for it? Police will make bank of the tickets

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No-Lingonberry-2468@reddit

I live in Texas so I’ll just print another fake paper plate anyway

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knuckles_n_chuckles@reddit

bUt mAh fReEdUmBs!

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frosty95@reddit

Lol. People will just immediately disable the internet connections on their cars if anything like this happens. Like the stupid EU system that just passed where itll nanny your speed. People are just going to disable the gps / antennas that enable it to work. A clear case of lawmakers not understanding how impossible some of these laws are to enforce.

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marke24@reddit

Every day there’s another reason why I’d never buy a new car.

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OnlyCommentWhenTipsy@reddit

Snitches get stitches

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sammeadows@reddit

People see a new patent and automatically believe it's going to be rolled out is the most smooth brain shit I see.

Reminder of Sony's 2009 patent of the advertisements you must acknowledge and interact with to get the ad to go away. That's one in a long list of crappy anti-consumer patents that have never and likely won't be implemented.

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Defiant-Giraffe@reddit

Almost every day I read another reason to buy something from 1968 and maintain it, at a probably ridiculous cost, forever.

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Any_Palpitation6467@reddit

It's been bruited about for years, mostly in blue states that have annual inspection programs, to have a part of the 'inspection' be a reading of the vehicle's electronic recording system to see how many times the car has exceeded the national speed limit, and to issue citations and fines accordingly. This is well within the capabilities of the automotive industry even today. Such a program might go hand-in-hand with the capability of recording the miles driven separately from what's shown on the odometer (which is usually electronic, now, anyway) and arrange for the vehicle to be taxed on the miles it drives, getting rid of one of the advantages of EVs in that they are not subject to a fuel tax [Gasp!]. this idea is gaining popularity in California, along with other blue states. Ah, our Elites. . . always looking out for our well-being, and all.

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Alaviiva@reddit

ACAB includes Ford

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Testacc4321@reddit

Why would anyone buy their car after that? How would this ever be a good business decision? Like what?

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TheDutchTexan@reddit

Clickbait. But man would it suck…

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i_hate_shitposting@reddit

Braindead article. Companies patent tons of stupid shit that never gets developed into real products. Mostly to build giant patent portfolios they can leverage for countersuits if another company tries to sue them for patent infringement.

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tysonfromcanada@reddit

Ford sells lots of law enforcement and other gov't vehicles - wonder if they are thinking it may be good for police cars

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ReflexMaths@reddit

I’m gonna bet it’s this. It would be really hard to sell a car that snitches to police.

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Ok-Half8705@reddit

It should at least also snitch on its self. If someone is going to be high and mighty driving one of them on purpose then they should be held to the same standards.

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Travel_Dreams@reddit

Every Ford is going to have cameras spray painted blind in less than 30 seconds of being parked outside.

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brendan0127@reddit (OP)

Now that’s not a bad idea. I wouldn’t feel bad if that happened to anyone supporting this kind of stuff lol

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brendan0127@reddit (OP)

Idk anyone that thinks that lol