It’s Official: 2025 Chevy Corvette ZR1 Has 1064 HP and Is Poised to Slay Supercars
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Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
I'm really excited to see the nurburgring times.
How baller it would be if they could beat out the AMG One...
"Our $200k Freedom made car beat out a $3 Million snobby European hyper car"
to_the_victors_91@reddit
how the hell will it put the power down?!
also, is this peak ICE? You've got to think so
Ok-Oil5912@reddit
I think it's peak ICE
HOONIGAN-@reddit
The AMG One has a literal F1 powertrain. Putting that in a street car is a whole feat of engineering itself.
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
Sure, but you know what's more impressive, a $200k 1000+ horsepower twin turbo flatplane crank V8 in 2025...
DanielG165@reddit
With nothing but a shit ton of cooling and two turbos. No hybrid assistance, just a giant, super advanced engine, twin turbos, and tons of cooling thrown at the thing to make it reliable.
bestselfnice@reddit
We'll probably have to wait quite a while to find out if reliable is an accurate descriptor here.
carsonwade@reddit
At this level of performance, reliability is relative lol
bestselfnice@reddit
Sure. But it's not like they took their mass production small block V8 and strapped some turbos to it. Ford tried doing the big displacement FPC V8 and it didn't go very well. And this is orders of magnitude crazier.
RodRAEG@reddit
Ford was pretty much limited by the Voodoo/Coyote architecture, namely the shorter bore spacing compared to the LS/LT. Couldn't do big ol pancake pistons and a super short stroke like GM did, which was the smart way to do it.
Suiken01@reddit
Did they say when is zr1 coming to the dealers?
-crackling-@reddit
How did it "not go very well" when the GT350 is arguably the greatest V8 car of all time. The 5.2L V8 is the same engine platform used in the GT500 and the GTD as well...
frosty95@reddit
It wasnt big displacement. It was .2L more. Same as most boosted coyotes and those hold up just fine. Some had issues as with any new engine but many are fine.
bestselfnice@reddit
The Voodoo and the LT6 were each literally the biggest displacement FPC V8 in history when they came out, no?
frosty95@reddit
Oh... You see. The trick with acronyms is that if your going to use them in regular conversation they need to be well known. I took a guess at ford powertrain company but I see now you meant flat plane crank.
The Voodoos had some failures early on from oil filters coming loose (obscene oil pressure on those engines) and from people treating it like an appliance car and never checking oil levels. Ford did redesign the rings and they gained some gt500 improvements in 2019 but they were not fundamentally flawed. Just the usually things you see in specialty low volume engines and owners that dont understand it isnt a camry.
terroristteddy@reddit
The Voodoo had some issues, but I wouldn't say it "didn't go well".
I mean, the LS7 was a universally loved engine, and it had some issues as well.
bestselfnice@reddit
Difference being they built the LS7 in sufficient volume to eventually work out all the kinks. I know the Voodoo got one revision but they still burned oil to an extreme degree after it, no?
xselimbradleyx@reddit
They never worked out the kinks of the LS7 as even the crate engines and Camaro Z/28 had exhaust valve issues
frosty95@reddit
Which is funny considering the aftermarket just slaps stainless valves in and then its fine.
PossibleHero@reddit
It might actually be closer than you think. This engine was developed along side the Z06. It’s very similar with some meaningful improvements to make sure it can handle the power. TBD… but it’s not some crazy new direction.
bestselfnice@reddit
...right. The Z06 engine is a massive departure from traditional chevy small blocks and this is essentially that engine (the LT6) with forced induction added. That's what I'm saying.
DanielG165@reddit
It has though. It’s been racing for years in the C8.R. The Z06 uses the same engine. The LT6 has proven to be reliable for a while now.
PossibleHero@reddit
Ahh gotcha. Yah it’ll be interesting. Can’t be as bad as Toyota’s latest V6 Turbo issue. 100,000 trucks to replace lol. Wups.
TheLittleSiSanction@reddit
I'd put less money than either of these cars cost on the v8 twin turbo being more reliable than a literal F1 drivetrain.
Posting____At_Night@reddit
Tbf, people have been putting out pretty reliable 1000+hp LS builds for a long time. Main difference here is that this probably hits a bunch of arbitrary requirements to pass regulatory standards.
Not to discount any of this, it's just a testament to how awesome LS engines and their brethren are.
bestselfnice@reddit
This DOHC FPC LT6 based engine doesn't have any inherent reason to share in the reliable reputation of their typical cross plane OHV V8s.
Posting____At_Night@reddit
Ah, I guess I missed where they changed up the engine, that's unfortunate. I assumed they had stuck with the traditional LS design, it's not like you can't squeeze 1000+ reasonably reliable horsepower out of a turbocharged LS motor, in fact it's probably the cheapest platform for doing so, and you can get pretty high on NA too with mostly bolt on parts.
bestselfnice@reddit
Most of the Corvette forum users assumed they would either use a cross plane crank version of the LT6, or full on go back to a traditional OHV V8 for the ZR1.
This is certainly cooler, but yeah, a lot more to question about potential reliability.
They also kind of screwed the pooch on the C7 Z, which had some serious heat soak issues on track, so their track record on FI Corvettes isn't exactly impeccable.
KungFuActionJesus5@reddit
Only the C7 Z06 seems to struggle with that. The C6 ZR1 and the C7 ZR1 don't seem to have the same issues.
CWRules@reddit
The LT7 is based off the new DOHC engine they put in the Z06 and the C8R race car. It doesn't have much in common with the LS-derived engine they use in the Stingray and E-Ray.
AwesomeBantha@reddit
The AMG One’s engine needs to be rebuilt like every 25-30k miles, right? I would be very surprised if the ZR1 has anywhere near that maintenance schedule
Pkock@reddit
1000 HP in an factory corvette somehow feels like GM performance engineers FINALLY getting the thumbs up after sharing "1000+ HP Twin Turbo LS/LT on PUMP GAS!" youtube videos in Teams chat for a decade.
In reality everyone that hot rods knew it was possible, these dudes just had to convince someone to let them build it even stronger and warranty it.
nachobel@reddit
It’s the 2025 GT-R, but f-ing RWD!
ukcats12@reddit
God bless America
Turbulent_Bid_0@reddit
It’s not really impressive though. People have been putting twin turbos on LS’s forever. It’s just that prior to going mid engine, the ZR1 wouldn’t have been able to use that power. That and recent price increases have given GM the ability to offer a $200k Corvette without the public screaming that they’ve lost all connection to the average person.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
If the car is being compared to the AMG One in terms of lap times, then yeah they can charge $200k
Turbulent_Bid_0@reddit
The AMG One isn’t a lap time car it’s a technical showcase car. There’s waaaaaayy easier ways to go fast than putting an F1 engine in a road car
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
It’s a luxury hyper car with F1 powertrain and technology in it. It’s quite literally mechanically a lap car, with the Nurburgring being an excellent showcase of exactly that
My overall point is that if GM can beat that for 1/15th the cost, it’s a big middle finger any way you slice it
Turbulent_Bid_0@reddit
So a Model S Plaid beating a demon 170 in the quarter mile for less is a big middle finger to Dodge right?
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I mean, yeah kinda. The Plaid has 5 seats with legroom, a huge trunk, costs $20 to charge fully, and can do 2.5 second 0-60’s every time
The 170 costs more and can only deliver the advertised acceleration on ethanol and a prepped drag surface
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
Find me another 1000+ horsepower production car for <$200k.
coberh@reddit
You need to add the constraint of less than 4000lbs.
Turbulent_Bid_0@reddit
Demon 170 and the Plaid
hi_im_bored13@reddit
The former is on e85 and the latter is an EV
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Tbf the only prerequisites of his statement was
1000+ horsepower
<200k
He passed the assignment
Turbulent_Bid_0@reddit
E85 is available at gas stations near me, it’s no different from needing to run on 93 to make power.
You never stated it needed to be a combustion engine
-crackling-@reddit
I find it kinda funny how much people are drooling over the horsepower numbers. You can buy a flat plane crank V8 GT350 for $50k and slap a twin turbo on it and push 1300 hp (look up itsjusta6 on YT for an example). Total will run you $70k. Upgrade the suspension and brakes for another $20k you can have a 1300 hp track demon for less than $100k otd.
Y33TUSMYF33TUS@reddit
Don't forget about the 8000rpm redline.
Flat6Junkie@reddit
Is that good?
an_actual_lawyer@reddit
For an engine with that power it is amazing.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Arguably a euro emissions-compliant F1 engine is still more impressive but its subjective.
Both cars are equally insane
UltimaRS800@reddit
3 mil vs 200k...
John_Sux@reddit
The bigger price tag stops yokels buying one
UltimaRS800@reddit
Where's your AMG ONE rube?
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Yeah but that misses the entire point. The One uses the same engine that was in Lewis and Nico's cars. Like, that is a powertrain from the pinnacle of race cars, Formula 1, is an actual race car engine designed to only be used within strict racing emissions guidelines which are far looser than those prescribed to normal cars. and there is zero other way to get this engine in a road-going car. You can't just go buy their old F1 cars and register them for the road. And then, they managed to write code to replace an entire team of engineers needed to start the car and operate it. That is insanely impressive as a feat of engineering, coding a pit crew into the ECU.
The ZR1 is incredible, don't get me wrong, but it's a TT'd flat plane crank V8. That's just a 488 Pista or F8 Tributo with more power.
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
Euro regulators are whimps.
There is no replacement for displacement. I should be allowed to take my car $200k twin turbo V8 car that gets 2 MPG down the road constantly revving that glorious V8 to redline while that 6 cylinder makes no sound.
autoeroticassfxation@reddit
I'd rather have the non turb 700hp version.
melodyze@reddit
Get a z06 then. That's why they make multiple models.
anal_bleaching69@reddit
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autoeroticassfxation@reddit
1000hp in a rear wheel drive street car is almost undriveable and unnecessary.
700hp is close to what you could actually use. And it's hard to be the sound and rapid revs of a beautiful non turbo engine. Turbo's badly muffle the real sound of the engine.
I preferred my VTEC Prelude to my Evo 4. And I loved my screaming 600cc motorbikes.
Scary_One_2452@reddit
That is probably more impressive but I think there's more of an intangible attraction to the One's f1 powertrain, for fans of the sport at least
anal_bleaching69@reddit
I’m wondering if the Zora is going to have 2 or three electric motors instead of just the e-ray setup in front.
Chevy engineers got the beancounters drunk on S'more-flavored Schnapps
melodyze@reddit
At this point it's safe to assume the zora will be a zr1 with all of the motors from a model s plaid on each wheel, 2000hp.
There is seemingly no amount of hype they cannot deliver on.
Scary_One_2452@reddit
If that happens we'll have a Corvette making as much power as a Chiron or Koenigsegg lol
What a world to live in
DatPipBoy@reddit
I'm a dodge boy, but God damn. This shit is impressive
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
But doing it for 1/15th the cost would be even more impressive
UltimaRS800@reddit
Yeah but they did not manage to properly to it. It still has tons of problems and will even stop working and need an engineer with a laptop from Mercedes to fix it if you turn the car off "too soon" multiple times.
dannyphoto@reddit
This car quite literally doesn’t have anything that could realistically even bring it close to the AMG One. Hell, I’d be surprised if it got close to the AMG GT black series.
DanielG165@reddit
Lol huh? I’m fairly certain the 1200lbs of downforce, massive Cup 2Rs, carbon fiber wheels, and 1,064 horsepower will make the ZR1 pretty competitive with most of the heavy hitters. This feels like when people said how the Z06 would never touch the 992 GT3 RS, with its massive aero and trick DRS tech… Yet said Corvette very much does, and has been quicker than said Porsche twice now.
Best believe the ZR1 will be a force to be reckoned with on track.
mikemikemikeandike@reddit
What I find more astounding is that people still doubt GM’s ability to create cars that match or beat competitors that are heaps more expensive. GM has been doing it for decades at this point, so why the fuck would anyone continue to doubt them?
System0verlord@reddit
Because of everything else GM makes lol.
randeus@reddit
The Blackwings are amazing though.
dannyphoto@reddit
Cool. Guess we’ll see.
Related: has the Z06 even done an official lap on the nordschleife? Only asking since that’s the track in question. I know Misha did a lap with traffic and said he could do a 7:10 without traffic but that would still put it at what? 20+ seconds behind the GT3 RS time?
You think the ZR1 is gonna make up potentially 40 seconds and get close to the AMG One? I’d love to see it
BTTWchungus@reddit
You have to be genuinely stupid if you think a C8 Z06 can't do better than 7:00
dannyphoto@reddit
First of all, I am stupid. Second of all, that has nothing to do with this.
Why didn’t they do an official lap? I have no doubt it can do a sub 7, but if it was as fast as a 3RS, they would’ve done a lap. Hell, if it was as fast as a GT3, they would’ve done a lap.
DanielG165@reddit
They attempted a lap, but an accident from another car killed that run, and I think tried again, only to be shutdown by the weather. I really don’t think it’s a matter of the Z06 not being faster than the GT3 nor RS, it’s proven to be consistently. More rather, it’s a matter of GM not putting much stock in ring times, with the Corvette at least. They do their testing, and then bounce.
That said, let’s see if we get one for the ZR1.
dannyphoto@reddit
Z06 is slower around VIR according to car and driver, slower around Laguna seca & slower around willow springs.
In fact, the only track I can think of that the Z06 has been faster at, is the Throttle House test track.
I think people are misconstruing my point though. The Z06 is a weapon, and I’m picking one over a 992 3RS any day of the week and twice on Sunday. My point is that the ZR1 has like 4 other cars to worry about before even considering being faster than the AMG One and I don’t understand why that’s hard for people to fathom lmao.
DanielG165@reddit
TH and Magny Cours are the tracks the Vette’s been quicker than the Porsche at, but I understand where your mind is at, ultimately.
dannyphoto@reddit
That’s all that matters then. I can’t wait to see the ZR1 do its thing. I know for a fact them boys in Bowling Green know how to build a car.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Thought he said that was a 7:10 with traffic, without pushing.
dannyphoto@reddit
No, it was a 7:20~ish with traffic and said he could do a 7:10 or so without traffic.
People at the ring timed the prototype and suggested a 7:12.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Yeah you're right, just checked the video, I misremembered, in fairness that was without the carbon wheels and down 25hp, but I doubt it would've made that much difference.
I think considering this has similar aero to the viper ACR, an automatic, modern tires, and ~400hp more, it could easily do a 6:45, But I'm with you in that its not beating the AMG One. Doesn't have the aero nor instant, linear torque, and its around the same weight.
Insane car but people here are being unrealistic
dannyphoto@reddit
It actually has quite a bit less downforce than the ACR. 1200lbs vs 1700lbs. Not to mention the ACR weighing much less.
I think the ZR1 is gonna be amazing, no doubt.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Was just going off of the looks, didn't know it was that far off
Feel like they might be going for the record with the zora, and as you said the ZR1 is an incredible car, but AMG One fast? definitely not
DanielG165@reddit
Didn’t he say that the Z06 was an easy sub 7 minute car? I’m pretty sure at the very beginning of that video, but I also haven’t watched in a bit.
But with as much raw power and thrust that the ZR1 has, plus the apparent continual spooling of the turbos so that you don’t lose said power nor have any lag, plus all of the other go fast bits… I dunno man, the lap times are going to be immensely quick. If the Z07 can already put down times that make it one of the fastest track cars out there, a ZR1 with 1,063 hp is going to slay a lot of stuff.
dannyphoto@reddit
He did a 7:20 and said without traffic he’d do close to a 7:10. People at the ring timed the Prototype Z06 and suggested around a 7:12.
But hey, I’d absolutely love to be wrong.
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
Americans don't care.
We got FREEDOM to propel our cars. We don't need F1 technology.
dannyphoto@reddit
Oh… you’re trolling. I get it now.
DaggumTarHeels@reddit
And you're just repeatedly insisting that you're right with nothing to back it up.
The cars both have similar power figures, similar transmissions, piles of downforce, etc.
GM has always competed with cars 3-5X the Corvette's price. The ZR1 had LeAF SpRiNGs and a PusHRoD V8, yet it still dumpstered the 599 when it debuted.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
1200lbs at 200mph, it makes a good bit of downforce but definitely not piles, for reference the GT3RS makes 1900lbs at 177mph and the Viper ACR made 1700lbs peak.
Not to mention that is peak power out of a TTV8, a good bit of that amg one power is with electric motors (as well as a motor mounted to the turbocharger itself), all of which is instantaneous
Think the ZR1 will be well into the sub-7 range but lap record is a bit far. Perhaps the zora?
dannyphoto@reddit
okay
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
I'm not trolling.
I seriously think this could potentially get up near the AMG One.
newcalabasas@reddit
no chance
dannyphoto@reddit
yikes.
jawnlerdoe@reddit
Americans care about the value proposition more than anything else. There’s obviously a great achievement for n shoving an F1 power train into a road car, but that doesn’t mean it’s a better car. The ZR1 will likely be much better to live with, you know, as a car, and still have insane performance.
korko@reddit
$200k for a car that feels like a GM quality product would be an interesting financial decision, but to each their own.
melodyze@reddit
Paying an extra $600k for a car with equivalent stats because you want the buttons to feel different seems like a more interesting financial decision.
korko@reddit
Paying $200k for a car that feels significantly worse than most $40k cars is what I find unacceptable.
melodyze@reddit
If you care more about how the buttons feel than about the performance of the car then you are obviously just not in the target audience for the product.
korko@reddit
Why do you keep talking about buttons? When you sit in a car are you just touching buttons? Everything about even “luxury” GM products feels shit. The wheel, the seats everything you touch. It isn’t longingly brushing your hands about the car, it is sitting in a vehicle and feeling like you would have had a nicer experience in an Accord.
alaric_02@reddit
you aren't buying a corvette for luxury, you're buying it for performance.
UltimaRS800@reddit
Brother if you can find any other mid engined 1064hp, DCT supercars for 200K be my guest.
kingfrank243@reddit
GM will be lucky to even go near the 992 GT3 RS nurb lap time, High HP don't mean anything on track
Immynimmy@reddit
Is 200k confirmed? I haven’t seen any price news anywhere
John_Sux@reddit
It had to borrow the snob's Michelin running shoes, at least
Quaiche@reddit
It’s nice to have dreams.
The_SHUN@reddit
America fuck yeah
crozone@reddit
It gives me the same feeling that the Viper did, but the Corvette is actually well put together car
TheDuckFarm@reddit
The new ZR1 is bad ass but without 4 wheel steering it won’t break the speed record, but it will put some impressive numbers for sure.
Overall_Taro8890@reddit
Does not have enough downforce at speed to compete. Now if they make a zora with this turbo setup, a hybrid powertrain up front, and loads of active aero….we might be cooking.
FortuitousAdroit@reddit
1,200lbs at 200mph?
AMG One is estimated to be ~1,500lbs, so not far off.
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/02/mercedes-amg-project-one-almost-700-kg-downforce/
TehFuckDoIKnow@reddit
My understanding is that 1,200lbs figure is just the optional shit you can choose to get on the high trims. I think total DF will be more
FortuitousAdroit@reddit
This is the figure the article states for the ZTK track package which includes the most aggressive aero kit.
zxrax@reddit
Chevy doesn't publish ring times.
dabocx@reddit
Needs more aero to do that
thisisjustascreename@reddit
We'll see. It's got tons of aero.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Mercedes has took near 7 years to make AMG One in production. IIRC, Mercedes introduced AMG One in 2017.
hundredjono@reddit
The C7 ZR1 had 755hp and those were insane numbers and that was just 5 years ago.
Now the C8 ZR1 completely dwarfs the C7 ZR1 which is just absolutely absurd. I don't think we all expected 1,064 horsepower.
lowstrife@reddit
And it's all all through the rear wheels still. 100 horse and 150lb\ft more than the Ferrari The Ferrari, which already was tail happy into the triple digits... I'm sure this will be quite tame and manageable in comparison.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
The ferrari's are pretty intentionally tail happy, variety of modes to calm it down (or artificially increase that rotation), it can baby you quite heavily if you'd like.
I am curious if they'll limit things or do some boost by gear setup, or if you genuinely get all of those horses on tap from the get-go.
FortuitousAdroit@reddit
Up to 1,200lbs of downforce at 200mph and Pilot Sport Cup2s with the ZTK package will keep it sorted.
External-Repair-8580@reddit
Unbelievably cheap of Chevy to not put Cup 2s on the car as standard. The 4S are good tires but don’t have anywhere near the grip. 4S are fine for an AWD E63S or a GR86 (!! - they’re standard on a $35K RWD Toyota with a bit over of 200 hp), but not on a RWD car with that much power.
Beautiful-Fold-3234@reddit
Depending on the aero efficiency, this thing should get up to 230 mph at least, assuming its not gear ratio limited and all that
R0B3RT0_C@reddit
Chevy posted some top speed run vids and the fastest they got up to was 207.
DerekJeterRookieCard@reddit
215*
Beautiful-Fold-3234@reddit
A german sedan will get close to that...
Scroetry@reddit
The lead engineer said "easily 215+" which is what thr C7 ZR1 achieved.
R0B3RT0_C@reddit
Don't they limit them all at 155? 😂
Either way, I'm sure the ZR1 can do more than that.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
1200lbs at 200mph is really not much in the grand scheme of things, that is less than a viper ACR from years ago, and significantly less than the 3rs which has a fraction of the power
HeftyNugs@reddit
You're comparing it to 2 cars that arguably have some of the best aero in production cars and then saying it's not that much lol. 1200lbs is pretty substantial.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
We're also talking about a car here that has some of the craziest engine output in any production car, it's really not much. And adjusted for inflation the Viper ACR was a 153k car, I think they could have definitely gotten a little more aero into the mix at this price point.
FortuitousAdroit@reddit
Have you watched Tadge Juechter's walk through on Car and Driver? He explains the effort that went into the aero in detail.
https://youtu.be/VLHdcIQSC7I
What do you think they should have done differently, or more of?
HeftyNugs@reddit
Yeah that's fair when you consider all of those details.
FortuitousAdroit@reddit
I agree, these two cars top the aero chart so they're easy to point to. They also happen to be referenced in the Throttle House ZR1 video. It may be that this person is just parroting TH. I think TH is intentionally a bit corny, that's their shtick, but unfortunately it can influence this sort of thinking.
Throttle House review: https://youtu.be/Nw02-o04Qho?si=xUkF8SuKO5F90-Yp
IMHO, the Car and Driver video is of better quality as it tastefully covers more technical detail via a walk through with Tadge Juechter.
Car and Driver review: https://youtu.be/VLHdcIQSC7I
franzn@reddit
If I read that right that's additional with the optional aero, I'm not sure what it has without those pieces.
driverdan@reddit
GM's release video says "well over 212mph" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKtjtZIwAEQ
TenesmusSupreme@reddit
My money is on a top speed around 215MPH on a bad day
Jay_Diamond_WWE@reddit
No doubt it'll have torque limiting with that 8 speed. I'm surprised the Tremec 9080-DCT can handle that much torque tbh. I figured they'd be borrowing a dual clutch from ZF Friedrichshafen.
spdcrzy@reddit
The 9080 makes the 8HP look slow by comparison, and keeps up with the PDK at a MUCH higher torque input. I'd really love to see if Tremec would sell the DCT, straight up. It weighs 335lb, but when you consider that it is a COMPLETE package - diff AND transmission in one - it starts to make a little bit more sense. A T-56 Super Magnum, which can handle 700 lb-ft reliably, is ~170lb. A Camaro ZL1 complete rear diff is (allegedly) 110lb or more. A properly rated clutch for said T-56 would be 40+ lb. So now we're up to 320lb and that doesn't include hoses, lines, and fluids. Compare that to the DCT, where all your mass is in one place. This would be a REALLY cool transmission to use for a Pro Touring car, because you know it'll be reliable and handle stupid amounts of power and torque - and being a transaxle, your weight distribution would be SO much better.
diamondpredator@reddit
They built the C8 with this variant in mind and engineered some extra toughness into the trans and other components so the casing is the same with some internals modified by tremec.
Over_engineered81@reddit
The article says that Tremec modified the transmission to handle the extra torque, including using gears that are physically wider
lowstrife@reddit
Yeah car & Driver says that torque (boost) is limited in the first two gears.
carsonwade@reddit
Good, full boost in 1st gear would be suicidal with how much power this thing is supposed to make.
shartymcqueef@reddit
Wouldn’t be suicidal in the least. It’d have no chance at hooking up and you’d just have a sill burnout gear
Threedawg@reddit
Which, because its a corvette, will be a $90 mod.
Robots_Never_Die@reddit
Realistically probably like $349 for MPVi3, $1200 ECU unlock service, $300-600 in HP Tuners credits.
frosty95@reddit
Refreshing seeing someone who actually understands how expensive its getting to unlock modern gm stuff.
spdcrzy@reddit
But the value for money considering the price of the car is absurd. 1-2% of the value of the ENTIRE car for that upgrade is unreal.
spdcrzy@reddit
So basically for $2500 you have a monster burnout machine. 800+ lb-ft of torque from a factory warrantied V8 going through a dual clutch is absolutely absurd. I don't think anybody else's DCT comes even CLOSE to handling that much torque - because remember, it's the torque shock that kills gearboxes, not power.
driverdan@reddit
Corvette mods haven't been cheap since the C6. Cheaper than German brands but not cheap like they used to be.
WhetBred14@reddit
That’s how I feel in my car. 1st gear is absolutely useless for serious launches I launch in 2nd
Viperlite@reddit
To protect the transmission.
Previous_Composer934@reddit
wheelspin is less load on the trans that hooking and accelerating
flapsmcgee@reddit
Unless it really does handle like a race car I don't see it either.
GhostriderFlyBy@reddit
This car will easily out drive the stock Pilot Sport 4s. Even Cup2s will get shredded by amateurs with TC on.
Ceramicrabbit@reddit
Didn't M division say they had to go AWD because the power was just way too much for two wheels? I know they still have a RWD mode but people only use it for messing about
rwdstickshiftfanboy@reddit
This is also mid engined.
Ihate_reddit_app@reddit
Yep, game completely changed going to mid engine. Chevy said they maxed out the front engine rwd config in the C7.
KungFuActionJesus5@reddit
Mercedes clearly had other opinions.
Ihate_reddit_app@reddit
With which car?
KungFuActionJesus5@reddit
AMG GT Black Series
Ceramicrabbit@reddit
That isn't 1,000+ horsepower though
Chevy didn't go mid engine because they hit the limit with the base C7 it was probably because the last ZR1 was already at that limit
KungFuActionJesus5@reddit
What is the relevancy of the horsepower? Chevy moved to the mid engine because they felt the overall performance of the FMR layout was reaching it's limits on the C7 platform. The AMG GT Black Series, another FMR car, set a production car lap record on the Nurburgring recently. Clearly the FMR layout is still potent for performance applications.
I'm not saying they were wrong to make the C8 mid engine, but if they wanted more performance out of an FMR layout, it's hard to deny that it is actually possible.
Ceramicrabbit@reddit
The horsepower is relevant because applying 1,000 hp to just the rear wheels on a track car would be basically impossible with front engine. They knew after the last ZR1 they were going to have crazy power for this generation, the FE layout would have been a mess
KungFuActionJesus5@reddit
Perhaps. I know that MR cars have an easier time putting their power down and that's a fair point. The C7 ZR1 and even the Z06 seem like a handful, but with insane potential if you have the talent. The AMG GT Series Black has similar horsepower to the C7 ZR1, with 720 hp and 590 ft-lbs of torque, and weighs pretty similarly. I'm willing to bet that with gear ratios and final drive ratios in consideration, both cars pretty put pretty similar torque to the road too. I love the C7 ZR1, and I'm fully convinced that it is a sub-7 minute car if it's not competing with traffic or weather, but for Mercedes to weasel a 6:43 with the AMG GT is unreal.
MR cars are conceptually the superior layout, and Chevy's decision to move to that was valid, but considering Mercedes' achievment, I don't think it can be said that the C7 ZR1 was at the limit of FMR performance. Tire tech, suspension tech, chassis matierials, active damper tech, ediffs, etc. all advance. If nothing else there's always room for more power on long straightaways.
Ceramicrabbit@reddit
Okay front engine cars will continue to get faster as you said technology advances I think the point here is with the C7 ZR1 they realized they couldn't push the performance envelope as far forward with the next ZR1 as they wanted without switching to the mid engine. The Mercedes is not a counter argument to that because it's marginally if anything faster than the C7 ZR1 and definitely not in the caliber of performance the C8 ZR1 will be which was obviously the objective. Maybe eventually you'll get a front engine car that is the same performance level as the C8 ZR1 but that wouldn't be possible at this point in time.
KungFuActionJesus5@reddit
The Mercedes is absolutely a counterargument. I already stated, it set the lap record for production cars. With a time of 6:43.6, it was faster than the 992.1 GT3 RS (6:44.8), faster than the Aventador SVJ (6.44.9), which makes similar power, weighs 300 lbs less, and has AWD, and faster than the 991.2 GT2 RS, which set a 6:47.2.
The AMG and C7 platforms are comparable in layout, weight, and power. The C7 ZR1 was merely aiming to get a sub-7 minute time. The Mercedes literally set a record. You're bonkers if you think that's an insignificant difference.
Ceramicrabbit@reddit
I don't think Ring times are a scientific test that really means that much and I do believe the C7 ZR1 and AMG are similar performance levels and the C8 is clearly a big step up
Cha-Car@reddit
Yes, for several years BMW M has been very public about their direction toward AWD. You can keep adding power but at some point performance returns become diminished by staying with RWD.
Ceramicrabbit@reddit
Hopefully the arms race of power starts to plateau here and they transition to an arms race of weight savings...
A man can dream!
NaN03x@reddit
Does anyone know how much it will weigh?
Part-TimePro@reddit
Like 3700lbs, I think they said it in the car and driver video, might be elsewhere as well.
NaN03x@reddit
That's not too bad. It might be quite a monster on the track as well then.
Disrupt_money@reddit
Reminds me of the first C6 I ever saw in person … was body panels spread out along the concrete wall on a curved highway off-ramp.
Quatro_Leches@reddit
put that power in the M5, it's mass can tame it
bittah_king@reddit
You can just say the La Ferrari, no need to try and be cute with it.
lowstrife@reddit
It's still a dumb name. The Chassis Code is F150, which is infinitely better. Even Raffaele agrees with me:
https://youtu.be/GaAQW8lVaRM?si=iPW8Uxt-7MnKrhvr&t=116
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Isn't it just "The ferrari" though? Personally feel like thats an insanely good name.
MisterSquidInc@reddit
Indeed. "This new car is designed to be the definitive Ferrari, what shall we call it?" "How about The Ferrari"
CuddleTeamCatboy@reddit
Most of the rumors pegged the C8 ZR1 in the 800hp range with the Zora being the 1000+ horsepower model. Breaking 1000hp without hybridization is truly insane.
caranddriver@reddit
We couldn't agree more. Now what are they up to with the Zora?!
BannytheBoss@reddit
I think its pretty insane for a mid engine car. That's a lot of heat to get rid of.
gimpwiz@reddit
The dirty secret of a thousand horsepower small block chevy is that not a single one can sustain power output for very long before it has to back off to cool off. Not even in buggies without bodywork or with lebenty oil coolers and radiators. I don't expect this car to be able to put out that power for very long at all. But of course, you wouldn't really expect it to anyways - where can it run under full load for more than maybe fifteen or twenty continuous seconds or so? And where can it do so repeatedly?
an_actual_lawyer@reddit
Do you have a source for this claim?
gimpwiz@reddit
Talking to engine builders who make 1000hp LS engines.
I seem to recall that super excited tuner on the smoking tire podcast saying the same thing. What's his name again?
an_actual_lawyer@reddit
None of those are published sources and none of them are building the ZR1, so their opinions really have little value.
gimpwiz@reddit
I should note I am not making claims that an OEM like GM cannot make it work. There has not yet been an OEM SBC making 1000hp stock. Every single one to date has been built on a lower budget than GM would have spent.
That said, GM had issues with cooling for both the LS9 and LT4 (C6 ZR1 and C7 Z06.) Those are quite a lot lower horsepower than 1000hp. Also, note that people had issues on track - on tracks near where I live, like thunder hill and laguna seca - both of which do have some straight sections where you can put power down but, again, you have nowhere to put full power down for more than a bit over ten seconds.
an_actual_lawyer@reddit
I appreciate your well reasoned response.
gimpwiz@reddit
Yeah and I truly understand that what I wrote reads as "trust me bro." It is good to be skeptical. People talk about big builds so much that they usually don't mention downsides. Sometimes they are obvious. Other times they are hidden because it's really hard to use full power for more than some seconds. I mentioned buggies because people build TT SBCs and actually slam full power for climbs and shit; on track you are usually on power, off power, maintenance throttle, etc, so they don't see the same stresses. I am curious to see what GM does here.
an_actual_lawyer@reddit
Solid posts. I agree with your reasoning.
Cheers.
Dey_EatDaPooPoo@reddit
Chevy said it has a total of 15 heat exchangers to keep it cool. Yeeeesh.
gearabuser@reddit
I dont even equip that many on my laserboat 100 ton assault mechs
Mjolnir12@reddit
Yes but these are single heatsinks, not double heatsinks.
gearabuser@reddit
Ah that's a great point. I wonder if theyre using an XL engine
bazbloom@reddit
But aren't those heat exchangers bigger so it needs fewer? Asking for an assault mech modder.
BannytheBoss@reddit
That is .... a lot.
I'm just trying to guess what it would have... 2 engine radiators, oil cooler, dry sump oil cooler, transmission cooler, differential cooler, 2 intercoolers for the turbos.... I can only come up with 8....
trism@reddit
Coolant x2 Air to water Intercooler x4 (2 for the charge air itself and 2 for the "water" Engine oil x 2 Power Steering Diff Gearbox
And I mean, depending on size of them for packaging restraints, diff/gearbox could have 2 each as well, just to split it up and have one each side.
That's 13 possible.
Then maybe they're counting the A/C condenser as well. So we are still one short. Maybe the heater core under the dash??
anal_bleaching69@reddit
The new ZR1 makes 44 more hp than a Tesla Model S Plaid and weighs roughly 1,000 lbs less. The Lucid Air Sapphire, another high-performance EV, makes 170 more hp than the ZR1—but the Corvette (dry) weighs a shocking 1,666 lbs less.
just insane
RepresentativeAd2704@reddit
Doesn't weight 1000lbs less than a Plaid. A Plaid weighs under 4800lbs and this will wrigh over 3900lbs. Probably around 850lbs difference.
thumpernc24@reddit
Dry weight is nonsense, but yes it will still be MUCH lighter than the Lucid.
the_cajun88@reddit
this made me imagine a lucid with a empty battery racing a vette zr1 with no gas
no one wins, but we all get pictures i guess
justgoaway0801@reddit
Zora will not be 1,200-1,300 crank, which is nuts.
axc630@reddit
I think your argument loses validity considering the ZR1 is already at 1064, which is nuts too.
justgoaway0801@reddit
Are you saying it will be more than what I said, or saying that Zora cannot be nuts since the ZR1 is nuts?
axc630@reddit
Im saying there is a real chance it can be more than 1200-1300.
In C7 gen, the ZR1 made 16% more power than the Z06. 755 vs 650. In the C8, it's 59% more. If the Zora came out with 10-20% more power AND had the name Zorw, imagine how much of a letdown that would be. It's supposed to be the pinnacle of Corvettes.
My assumption is that since the platform and engine architecture are now good enough to handle truly absurd amounts of power AND people are willing to pay top dollar for hipo versions of Corvettes again, GM is just swinging for the fences like FCA did with the Hellcats.
Keep adding power, keep making then more expensive, profit.
Chevrolet is not Ferrari, they don't care about exclusivity. They care about profit. So if they can keep making more bonkers cars and sell them for less than the established Euro super cars while maintaining a high margin, they will.
If the new ZR1 came out with 850hp, it would be along the expectations of the people who already wanted to buy it, be a meaningful thing, and they would sell a bunch.
Now, at 1064hp, they made something people can't stop talking about and has increased the buzz around the car, therefore increasing their potential customer base. Ex. Rich people with other super cars who would have written off a 850hp Corvette because they have ~800hp exotics now take notice and are probably highly considering adding one to their stable. This coupled with GM saying they wont limit production, equals profit.
So if there is more juice to be squeezed from this fruit with the Zora, I'm pretty sure they will squeeze it with something even more outrageous to keep that buzz alive.
justgoaway0801@reddit
After talking with engineers in the "know" with GM Performance, Zora will utilize E-Ray's electric drive units. E-Ray currently has 160hp from those units, so if they increase it to 200, or even 300, that is right around 1,200-1,300. WIth the space constraints due to insane cooling on the ZR1, not sure they will re-engineer that system.
anal_bleaching69@reddit
Zora may be 1350ish HP+ under 200K that’s insane
CWRules@reddit
Assuming it uses the same hybrid setup as the E-Ray, it will have a but over 1200 hp. They might dial up the electric power a bit, but I'd be surprised if it's much over 1250 just from that. And a sub-200k price tag seems very optimistic.
caranddriver@reddit
We sure didn't expect 1,000+ horsepower either! We got to ride shotgun in a prototype vehicle and the 200 mph run came very quickly and with hardly any drama. We're excited to drive it and see what kind of time it can do at Lightning Lap.
caranddriver@reddit
We sure didn't expect 1,000+ horsepower either! We got to ride shotgun in a prototype vehicle and the 200 mph run came with very quickly and with hardly any drama. We're excited to drive it and see what kind of time it can do at Lightning Lap.
MariosMustacheRides@reddit
So even though it has similar output to the demon 170, that mid engine mount is going to mean it’s easier for it to plant its feet . Crazy that number is on pump gas.
WestonP@reddit
The C7 ZR1 automatic was a turd. Engine was super strong, but that transmission made it very uninspiring to drive.
With the C8 having a proper performance transmission, I'd say this is not just a supercar killer, but a supercar itself.
Zcypot@reddit
ON PUMP GAS. 91knocktane, it has to be compatible with this gas, insane.
driverdan@reddit
It'll be really interesting to see what it can do on ethanol, assuming it can push enough fuel.
IncompatibleMeatbag@reddit
Meanwhile, the Nissan Z needs octane booster to (maybe) make it's advertised 400 crank hp 😆
bazbloom@reddit
Always here for the Z shade. Nissan fucked up.
vagabond139@reddit
And what's really crazy is that this is still not the fastest trim. The zora will add electric motors on the front for probably about 1200hp.
zhiryst@reddit
I was gonna say, its been confirmed that all C8's have the front suspension hardware to accommodate for the front e-axle so there's nothing stopping adding the e-awd in the front on any model... so how long before that gets added to a ZR1
anal_bleaching69@reddit
Zora. You just described the Zora
Slimy_Shart_Socket@reddit
Then you gotta think they are making the Zora, an AWD Hybrid version of this. I bet that will be like 1300hp.
KoreanSeats@reddit
They said they aimed for 800. When they tested the 5.5 flat plane with turbos and wastwgates OPEN it made more than that
wsdmskr@reddit
Apparently the new ZR1 makes the old ZR1's hp at 4700 rpm (thanks, Throttlehouse), and it redlines at 8k.
Prior-Logic-64@reddit
Nope. 800hp was the expectation and that was stratospheric. Over 1000hp is incredible
aw_goatley@reddit
Definitely did not. Especially from a single ICE source.
graygh0st999@reddit
And then one day we’ll have the Zora, which will be even more insane and my just brain can’t process that right now.
ebicat@reddit
MSRP - 200K
Dealerships - Best I can do is 700,000$
Suiken01@reddit
msrp 200k is that confirmed?
BannytheBoss@reddit
If GM just makes a bunch of them then the dealers won't be able to do this.
ebicat@reddit
I argue you may underestimate the immense wealth gap that’s been created and the amount of people that will pay those prices.
Twigler@reddit
After the big demand cools off it will be attainable. Who knows how many years that will take though
StevoJ89@reddit
"Well you see, this seat stitching color, with this color sport stripes on the outside, with this sun visor screw that is missing some thread locker from the factory makes this a one of a kind, on - off rare model and it'd be utterly irresponsible to let this go for under $500K"
Ornery_Translator854@reddit
Will 3rd parties come out with hoods and frunks like the ZR1 coupe for the zo6 coupe? Will they be expensive?
El_mochilero@reddit
How are they find space for a shit load of extra radiators?
jakinatorctc@reddit
No frunk
WillHeBonkYa47@reddit
Love that flair
to_the_victors_91@reddit
how the hell will it put the power down?!
also, is this peak ICE? You've got to think so
WillHeBonkYa47@reddit
It actually limits torque by limiting boost in 1st and 2nd gear. But I agree, definetely peak ICE!
Mental_Turtles@reddit
Gotta be
DanielG165@reddit
So we literally have a near 500hp base Corvette.
A car with a race engine inside of it, producing the most horsepower of any production N/A V8 ever, and one that is already one of the fastest track focused cars ever built, trading blows with 992 GT3 RSs.
A plushy GT hybrid with performance far superior to that of an NSX.
And now, a Corvette that will compete with SF90s, Revueltos, AMG Ones, and likely 800+ horsepower GT2 RSs.
And we may still have an ultimate Corvette with TTs, hybrid assistance, and AWD that’ll make even MORE power, after the ZR1.
Like… What lol. The Z06 is still the best looking C8 to me, and it’s the darling sweetheart as well imo. You just can’t argue with that engine and the sheer emotion it brings. That’s the one I want more than anything else, but fuck me if the ZR1 isn’t a dragon. 1,064 hp is just bonkers, and over 820 lbs of torque just for good measure. The Mustang GTD is now kind of… Weird to me with the ZR1 here lol. This is literally now the most powerful production American performance car ever, no?
Suiken01@reddit
Did they say when is zr1 coming to the dealers?
0mbreBlanc0@reddit
You're also forgetting the All electric Corvette with a potential quad motor 1000hp setup, as well as the potential grand sport. The Zora is going to be absolutely bonkers. It could have potential Koenigsegg Agera HP numbers, it will be unlike anything we've seen from GM before.
rawmar@reddit
The E-ray is the Grand Sport
spdcrzy@reddit
And a perfect Grand Sport it is. AWD, has the body, geometry, and carbon ceramic brakes of the Z06, and the ride quality of the base car with zero understeer and instant electric torque on the front wheels. It's basically a recipe for getting into AND out of trouble very, VERY quickly.
ajlexis@reddit
If you look at the tq and hp "dyno" they released. It's 820ftlb flat from 3k to 7k with it starting to dip to 8k, Which means there is more in it. They are torque limiting the turbos and the turbos have more to give but would peaky in the mid range. Just wait for tuners to unlock the ecu on stock turbos, I would be surprised with another 100hp and torque from it in the mid range, albeit not linear as it is stock.
bestselfnice@reddit
Yes. Dodge maxed out at 1,025 HP with the Demon 170.
thumpernc24@reddit
That was on e85 or race gas, this is on pump gas.
salsa_rodeo@reddit
Dodge will now probably backpedal on their word and create another, more powerful Hellcat.
bestselfnice@reddit
That's already what the Demon 170 was. There was a lot of strife from folks who'd bought the original back when they publicly said that it would be the best and baddest they'd ever make and then did it all over again 5 years later with the 170.
jordonmears@reddit
That's the problem with such claims. You can never rely on em. It's like farewell tours for bands. It ain't the last show they're doing unless they die or become enfeebled.
alper_iwere@reddit
Given how many "last calls" they had, i believe so too.
GettCouped@reddit
Demon cheated and used E85.
The ZR1 is pump gas!
penisthightrap_@reddit
S7 is so underappreciated
therestruth@reddit
I and many others have fond memories of that car from media and video games throughout the early 2000's. I can't forget it. Was one of my favorites that became a standard to try in any game with it. Twin turbos really harden my crankshaft and that slick sharp but smooth body with that booty makes for a dream car on paper but in reality there weren't that many made for street use and they weren't especially reliable, obtainable or practical enough to put serious miles on over time. Compared to many moms and teens driving around in Corvettes that would not be found in an exotic supercar.
bestselfnice@reddit
Not gonna be a lot of teens in C8 ZR1s ;)
But yeah you're not wrong. Production numbers are lower than I expected (and I didn't expect much) for how represented that car was in media, as you said. You can drive it upside down! For some reason the S7, Dodge Tomahawk, and that silly turbine motorcycle have all stuck with me. The ME Four-Twelve too. Probably just the age where I was most into silly nonsense exotics like that.
mikemikemikeandike@reddit
Let’s also consider the fact that roughly 97% of the engine’s torque is available at just 3,000 rpm…
DanielG165@reddit
It’s nuts man. That means the engine is barely awake, yet you’re still getting punched in the face by gobs of torque.
jordonmears@reddit
I can't wait to see the drag videos. If only this version of the car could compete at le mans.
hahabighemiv8govroom@reddit
I know this sounds insane but the GTD is still a tad bit cooler to me just for its insane rear inboard suspension.
rather_be_redditing@reddit
Possible grand sport? Z06 parts base engine
420idolmaster@reddit
Dodge has to bring back the Viper cmon 😭
truthdoctor@reddit
A mid engine TT 8.4L V10 Viper would be even crazier. One can dream...
Lower_Kick268@reddit
1064hp with a warranty for likely under $180k is insanity.
Threather19@reddit
Street price will probably be $300k. But it has hypercar performance.
dbmonkey@reddit
Shh. GM is reading this and will set the price way too high.
truthdoctor@reddit
"I will only buy it if it is under $150k!"
olmoscd@reddit
Whoever has $300k to pay for this car is a damned fool to write that check. You know these will be produced in unlimited quantities and not sustain that value. It isn't a GT3 RS.
StonkRizz@reddit
Except it'll bend over a GT3RS; no spit, no lube, sandpaper finish. Hell, the Z06 w/Z07 already takes care of the GT3RS.
olmoscd@reddit
No argument about that here. I’m strictly speaking of sustained value. $300K on a ZR1 is incredibly stupid.
StonkRizz@reddit
You think the folks who buy this car care about sustaining value? Who knows, maybe they do. For me, I wouldn't give a damn, I'd want the best overall car for the money.
I have a C7 Z06 and I bought it because it was the best stock performance car I could get for under 100k CAD. I drove a 911 GTS that was thousands more and it was a great car but the Z06 would have blown its doors off and was far more addicting to drive.
I'll be upping my budget to 200K CAD within the next couple years and I'm sure I'll just end up buying the C8 Z06 because it's just a far better performing vehicle than anything that comes close to it. If a GT3 RS or Turbo S was attainable near the same price then I'd consider them but they're far more expensive so it doesn't make sense for me since I'm not tied to a certain brand.
Just remember the C7 Z06 and the C7 ZR1 are holding their value incredibly well. I imagine the C8 ZR1 will as well.
olmoscd@reddit
I’m not sure if they care but i’d wager the majority of people would not pay 33% over sticker and then not care about $100K evaporating within a year.
Also remember to disregard the valuation of corvettes and cars in general for the past 4 years as that is historic inflation and supply chain issues. Reversion to the mean seems to be happening now.
Motohvayshun@reddit
I mean Z06 have sold for near that. People have money.
221missile@reddit
I don’t think $180k is possible with all the inflation.
CharmingTranslator@reddit
Have to admit that, even as a car enthusiast who has driven many 500 and 600 horsepower cars, my driving skills will be woefully inadequate something with almost 1100 bhp.
Will be the same for 99 percent of owners
SupermarketSecure455@reddit
Remember the Cadillac hypercar? The makings are here. Also don't look at this a. It seems a lot though and care went to the implementation of the turbos. There's technology that would make high end supercars brands jealous .
DiscoLives4ever@reddit
I absolutely loved my XLR, despite the Northstar. I would love if they brought that back alongside the Zora built in Bowling Green again
F-18EBestHornet@reddit
This has nothing to do with the Cadillac Hypercar. Nothing in that Cadillac is even related to what GM/Oshkosh Pratt Miller do. All of this is coming from the GTE program and GT3 development with the flat plane engine.
Motohvayshun@reddit
Woosh but he’s most likely talking about the Cadillac Cien
F-18EBestHornet@reddit
Irrelevant from then to now given that was done with prodrive.
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snail_forest1@reddit
but can it beat my na miata with a stock 1.6 L around the track???? we always catch up in the corners ....
F-18EBestHornet@reddit
It's a track based Corvette..... Miata isn't doing anything
pickurbooger@reddit
Give me a Kenworth with a C16 Cat,18 spd and road gears for triple digits.Plus 80k gross weight.thats impressive.
QuestionSeven@reddit
My initial reaction to 1064HP was, “ugh”…
My initial reaction to 755HP (and all the 700+ HP cars coming out a few years ago) was, “we’re pushin it”…
I get it if you’re definitely running the car on track. Fun as hell I’m sure. I’ve only ever tracked a Porsche 991 911 GT3. That’s ‘round about 500HP. After that experience, I learned that high performance cars like the GT3, Z06, ZR1, any of the Hellcat cars… They are VIOLENT. Enough power and grip really get your attention. 1064HP? C’mon! Too much for a street car.
Nawf_gravedigger@reddit
1000 hp is not too much for a street car when Koenigsegg and Bugatti exist. This is probably a 900 whp car which a lot of kids are driving around these days
John_Sux@reddit
A Koenigsegg or Bugatti does not cost in the millions just because it has more leather (with quality stitching, too) or carbon fiber in it. You need a shit ton of computing power to put that amount of power into the ground effectively and with any amount of grace.
Pretentious words like "sophistication" don't come to mind when thinking about American cars. Not that it's necessary, the Corvette people must be getting the power down somehow.
Nawf_gravedigger@reddit
Lmao you mean the same computing power that’s in my 25k GTI? I promise you that a Bugatti is not millions of dollars because of corrupting power. A 500 dollar aftermarket ecu can be programmed to have boost by gear or advanced traction control systems. Strike two for you not knowing shit about cars 😂
John_Sux@reddit
That only makes me wonder why the C8 isn't faster. Since the ICT stuff is cheap and easy.
Nawf_gravedigger@reddit
The C8 is a supercar though, by every definition you can come up with it is a supercar. And I don’t know what you mean when you say that you wish the C8 was faster. Again, this shows your absolutely limited level of car knowledge. The base C8 doesn’t even have 500 hp and it goes 0-60 in 2.9 seconds while being rear wheel drive and NA. No other car in the world can do that from the factory. The C8 ZO6 is one of the fastest track cars in the world and it’s an NA V8. I would stop speaking about things you clearly don’t know shit about, you’re making a fool out of yourself
Mygaming@reddit
A lot of kids are definitely not driving around 900whp cars...
900whp restricted by a computer is also not... 900whp.
I can't stab my gas pedal until I'm in 4th gear or on a prepped track and r compound tires. Sometimes I'll think I'm fine in 4th gear to floor it and I still get the surprise puckaroo.
People flooring a car with advanced traction control and then claiming they're driving around with 800whp is just stupid. Koenigsegg and bugatti are also not very quick vehicles in general but they are fast. Even when my cars are running at 700-800whp I don't have much traction until 60mph.
1000whp in a street car is absolutely a lot and the majority of people cannot handle it...which is why corvettes and other high powered cars have so many different modes and levels of traction control.. so you aren't actually getting all that potential power.
Modified 1000whp car without traction control? See ya in the bushes. From 182whp shitboxes to 1400whp street cars I've shit bricks in everything
Nawf_gravedigger@reddit
Factually incorrect. There are tons of kids that drive 900who mustangs and hellcats. This is 2024 lol. And you’re an idiot if you think Bugattis and koenigseggs aren’t quick. They run 9s stock, they are the fastest gas cars in the world. And it seems like you don’t know how tuning works. Most of these street cars that make 800, 900, 1000 whp do have advanced traction control systems or boost by gear built in to the tuning programs. You have shone your very limited knowledge of all of this lol
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verdegrrl@reddit
No insults thanks.
Jamaican_Dynamite@reddit
It's definitely not the safest thing off track. But I am throughly, throughly invested. First thing to make me actually want to go back to college lmao
I like the feeling you get where it feels like the thing wants to take your arms off while you're still holding the wheel.
DH64@reddit
Yeah exactly. I’ve found something new to motivate me to make a shit ton of money be it by going to school or learning some trade that earns very well lol.
ASV731@reddit
Okay, so don’t get one
NothingCreative1@reddit
And yet I still can’t get a base c8 in Ontario from the dealer
randeus@reddit
Insane car, but do the twin turbos muffle the exhaust? It doesn’t sound as wild as the Z06.
spdcrzy@reddit
Not as wild because the tune is actually pulled back considerably. But the actual SOUND. It's wild how loud it is, even WITH twin turbos.
F-18EBestHornet@reddit
It's the flat plane in general. The C6R/C7R had a very loud chest rumble when they drove by and the C8R/z06GT3 aren't close.
Ihate_reddit_app@reddit
It's got a lower redline. "Only" 8000 instead of 8600 in the Z06.
DanielG165@reddit
So this car, according to Throttle House, produces the C7 ZR1’s 755hp at 4,750 rpm… And the C8 ZR1 revs out to 8,000. What in the hell kind of demon did GM build here?
aisyz@reddit
begs the question of what type of power it would make on e85
JaredsBored@reddit
On a turbo car like this, where you can put a lot more timing in it at the same boost because of E85's higher octane, probably mid-1100s if not close to 1200. Probably doesn't have the fuel system pump or injector wise to do that from factory, though.
spdcrzy@reddit
But it DOES have 76mm turbos. From factory. NUTS.
Gizmo45@reddit
It has both port and direct injection, so maybe?
JaredsBored@reddit
I mean never say never, and this is just my best guess, but E85 needs ballpark 30% more fuel system and 30% extra on an already 1064hp capable fuel system is A LOT
fadedspark@reddit
Yeah but you always leave a little room. Buffer space if something is underperforming so you don't run out.
E30 is basically guaranteed, e85 is probable. You've already spent the money on a crazy fuel system, why not overbuild it?
Even e30 would add some significant power.
GTOdriver04@reddit
I love this.
And I can’t wait to hear the Europeans whining about how this American icon is somehow less refined and sophisticated than their cars because it costs less and comes from the colonials.
New_Inside3001@reddit
Unfortunately if it wasn’t for the whole green wave bullshit here in Europe the traditional German rivals would have definitely created something to compete
Pre Covid bmw was making a M1 supercar, the engineers definitely have the will, it’s just governments and bean counters impeding these crazy cars
This corvette just in Italy would cost 15k a year in road tax and in most Euro countries there’s some form of tax or extra cost for enthusiast cars, no one gonna buy it cus just too expensive
wolfpack_57@reddit
It's DOHC now so they don't even have that excuse. Crazy how this thing is competitive on power with the SF90's total output. I think this is the point that we can finally call Corvettes supercars.
Ihate_reddit_app@reddit
I think the Z06 was the point it was a supercsr. This is pushing hypercar now.
boomheadshot7@reddit
-The troglodytes that refuse to consider Corvettes supercars, even though they've been putting up supercar numbers for 25 years...
Merry_Dankmas@reddit
The definition of what qualified a super car seems to be debated among members of the car community. Personally, I'd absolutely consider this a super car. 1064 HP in a production car without electric motor assistance is honestly ridiculous. Like, idk what GM was thinking when they whipped this up but they're clearly trying to make a point. And it's working.
jordonmears@reddit
It really is. It's an absolutely bonkers car. I can't believe they actually delivered 4 digits on power. It's damn near a game changer of a car.
dbmonkey@reddit
Is the corvette really a supercar? Maybe if it had 1065 hp. But it only has 1064. /s
Lone_K@reddit
Base trim at 500 HP was already supercar territory lol, the ZR1 at 1000 HP with max speed at 215+ MPH is 100% hypercar
bazbloom@reddit
They have a point, if their version of "refined and sophisticated" means adding hundreds of pounds of weight to each model iteration.
SmokeyDokeyArtichoke@reddit
if this thing didn't look like a 10 year old's drawing of a Ferrari there'd be very little reason to buy anything European it seems
I really wish it was more elegant
Knuda@reddit
It's a big v8 with twin turbos. I love it but it won't happen in Europe because we have to engineer around emissions. It's not a level playing field.
I can't wait to see a nurburgring time though.
driftking428@reddit
I'd be interested to see a comparison of the emission laws. I know there are plenty of diesels we don't get in the US due to them not complying with our laws.
TenguBlade@reddit
US emissions laws are more strict on stuff that’s proven to harm you, like NOx, SOx, and particulates. European laws are more strict on stuff only environmentalists care about, like GHG emissions.
Anxious-Wind-1978@reddit
Every german manufacturer still makes halo cars with V8's. Really the only ones dead at this point are the V12's
bl0odredsandman@reddit
The US has plenty of states that have strict emissions regulations. Even the feds have had emission regulations on cars for decades.
Mend1cant@reddit
In fact the US went harder on emissions than Europe, but went less for efficiency. Been in plenty of big cities around the world, European cities smell mostly of car exhaust.
bl0odredsandman@reddit
We can't forget the Clean Air Act and emissions stuff of the 70s. Cars were being made with big blocks, 454s, 455s, etc that only made like 200hp. 200hp from a big block is so sad.
thisisjustascreename@reddit
Bruh what
CarbonPhoenix96@reddit
American cars must still meet California emissions which are incredibly strict
Knuda@reddit
Strict for America. Not strict for Europe.
BriarsandBrambles@reddit
Still strict.
Knuda@reddit
When you have to pay €155k for a m3 we will call it strict.
rsta223@reddit
Emissions regulations and taxation are two separate things.
Knuda@reddit
The taxes are based on emissions. They effectively do the same thing.
BriarsandBrambles@reddit
It's pass fail. We can't get the AMG one. It's not restricted if you just gotta pay a tax.
samiam0295@reddit
Mercs been using twin turbo V8 and V12 for years lol quit the excuses
ThroatGoat71@reddit
Also the same Europeans saying this unrefined shit drives a $35k BMW M3 and have never even sat in a Corvette of this caliber and price and is basing their argument solely on a logo 💀💀💀.
This isn't 2008 breh, American cars are very well built. I'd argue better than the Japanese now.
AlwaysStayHumble@reddit
Not even m3, maybe a 320d.
Source: I’m European.
jordonmears@reddit
The highfalutin in their Mercedes acting special when it's a base model a220 and not an s550
DatPipBoy@reddit
They can drink tea and take a hike.
WTFBEES@reddit
They'll have to settle for just the hike after this car throws all their tea in a harbor.
rds060184@reddit
😂😂
RedShenron@reddit
A car like this is unfortunately a dream in Europe. Many manufacturers would probably do the same but they're not allowed to do so.
If anything, we should be happy companies like Chevrolet still come up with cars like these.
ribble42@reddit
I read that the quarter mile time was hinted at sub-10 seconds (which is insanity that is up there with the Ferrari SF90). What do you all guess the 0-60 time will be like??? I’m dying to know!
3xot1cBag3L@reddit
Meh
Still a Chevy
Id take a 25 year old 911 turbo any day over it
StonkRizz@reddit
Lol; spoken like a true Porsche jock sniffer.
Who cares what it is, it's an engineering masterpiece for the money and will walk every 911 out there.
Hater.
the_cajun88@reddit
the article says that there is an extra you can get for more pizzazz
who the hell is buying a car like this without the pizzazz option
why would you even do that
spiketeam@reddit
GM performance is really something else.
Also routinely underrated considering the cars they have been consistently pushing out over at least the last decade.
ukcats12@reddit
I'm convinced that when not held back by corporate cost cutting GM's engineers are the best of the best.
Push_Lash_LeRoux@reddit
Even their basic consumer cars are looking up. The new Chevy Trax/Buick Envista are some of the better deals at their price-point.
VinylRhapsody@reddit
I'm an engineer for a different OEM, but have taken a number of SAE classes taught by current and retired GM engineers. They really are the best of the best from what I can tell, just with a really aggressive accounting department.
DanielG165@reddit
Indeed. Look at the kind of black magic they did with the 6th gen Camaro platform.
ImSoSte4my@reddit
Love my SS 1LE, and got it brand new with a manual for $44k. Insane value, even if it didn't have the best chassis and transmission in an under $100k car.
spiketeam@reddit
The alpha platform is really something. The blackwings, Camaro and the ats-v and CTS-v are all amazing.
Lastminutebastrd@reddit
Absolutely. I see you have a zl1, I had a 2018 SS 1LE. Amazing car, and the fact that new it cost me $41k was just bonkers.
Santa_Hates_You@reddit
Speaking of, how do you like your Blackwing overall vs the RS3?
spiketeam@reddit
Apart from the engine and interior space(physical space/packaging not quality of materials) the blackwing is more special in every way.
Santa_Hates_You@reddit
Interesting to hear. That I-5 sure is special in the RS3, too bad it is facing the wrong way. I am 18 months away from needing something to replace my S4 lease, and so far I am thinking M2, maybe M3 Comp or S/RS5, will add the Blackwing to my list.
spiketeam@reddit
My blackwing is a manual though. I don’t know if my opinion would be the same if it was an automatic blackwing vs an rs3. It would be much closer imo
Santa_Hates_You@reddit
Makes sense. You have 2 of the coolest compact sedans in the world. I have to go auto, I suck at driving a stick to begin with and my wife completely refuses to learn.
spiketeam@reddit
Thanks! We almost got an s4 instead of the rs3 but we like small-ish cars.
Santa_Hates_You@reddit
They both offer different things, S4 has a better platform, but RS3 has a better engine. I didn’t fit comfortably in the S3 I test drove(I fit, but felt less like luxury and more like a cockpit, it was tight), so the RS3 unfortunately isn’t on my list.
coberh@reddit
I found the S4 to have an actually useful back seat.
Rzymatic@reddit
Don’t even worry about getting manual, you’ll love the 10 speed in the Blackwing.
MembershipNo2077@reddit
Finding the blackwing in manual was a huge part of me buying it, honestly.
synkal@reddit
If you need any feedback on the M2 vs M3:
I got the M2 in Manual about three months ago, and my buddy has the M3 Comp (and a 2002 E46). And both of us feel like the M2 is a better driver engagement car. The M3 is a better track car, and a better family car if you need the rear seats.
Also both of us prefer his E46 M3 over my M2 in terms of overall dynamics and driver engagement.
In hindsight, I wish I got a chance to try the Blackwing before purchasing my M2 for a reference. Try all three if you can.
Santa_Hates_You@reddit
I am gonna test drive every car dealers will let me drive. I have always wanted an M3, but the M2 is such a good deal for so much car. I still have about 12 months to choose if I am going to order, which I plan to. I am afraid the RS5 won’t be available when I am looking, but we will see.
synkal@reddit
Problem is dealers wont let you try things out. Maybe go to car meets and ask people for a passenger ride, so you can see it for yourself.
Or Turo. Agreed on the M2, they've packaged a lot for that money. Also suggest getting an allocation ~3-4 months ahead of your delivery target so you can get it on time if you go with the M2.
MembershipNo2077@reddit
Yep, BMW dealers won't let you try a car out unless they are absolutely sure you're buying that car, basically. You'd think the M-series cars were limited edition super cars with how they treat them.
Hokie23aa@reddit
Another option, is BMW M School in Spartansburg of Thermal Springs. Expensive, but oh so worth it.
And now I want an M5C.
Hokie23aa@reddit
I’ve heard great things about the G80 M3C. The G87 M2 was a hoot to drive too.
DanielG165@reddit
More than that, honestly. GM has been making gnarly performance cars for decades, it’s just that the last decade has seen us getting a ton of refinement with said crazy performance.
JollyToaster@reddit
I bought a 2005 C6 Corvette earlier this year as my daily driver and the refinement on this 19 year old vehicle amazes me. So much car for the money
newtonreddits@reddit
Saving up for a Porsche 911 but numerous times I've told myself "fuck it just get that C6 Z06"
jaydeeEx@reddit
That’s what I did, wanted a 996 Turbo, ended up with a mint C6Z that destroys it in every category. I still want a 996 Turbo…
newtonreddits@reddit
Porsche is like Kobe beef and Vettes are like a fat cheeseburger.
I want both.
redsyrinx2112@reddit
I absolutely love this description.
kraken_enrager@reddit
One is a a Jason statham in a sophisticated suit, the other is the rock with 4 shotguns.
Both are good.
halotechnology@reddit
I always would like to bring the cobalt SS one day I will get to test one !
spiketeam@reddit
True, that’s why I said at least the last decade. The last decade of gm performance cars is truly nuts.
5tudent_Loans@reddit
While they delivered, the dealers and factories fell short. Dealer markups and factory strikes prevented things like the Camaro ZL1 variants from ever getting built and bought while customer orders sat there piling up
We can only pray GM does everything they can on every front to allow the corvette to produce the way they need and we want them to
Leave-A-Note@reddit
Seeing your flair - I agree. I’d love a Blackwing or a Chevy SS
RaspberryHappy8358@reddit
With that said I'm wondering what the future of the Camaro is... Probably will just plop the LF4 twin turbo V6 (your car's engine) into a redesigned chassis? 🤔
spiketeam@reddit
Next Camaro is going to be a Chevy blazer ev based suv. To compete with the Mach e.
Agreeable_Recipe_469@reddit
Absolutely insane the 2025 ZR1 makes 1,064 horsepower on just 93 premium. How much Horsepower do y'all think it would make with E85?
e___r___s@reddit (OP)
Technically minimum 91 premium. Not all states offer 93.
-ZeroF56@reddit
What a time to be alive when a factory Corvette pushes over 1,000hp. Damn.
thumpernc24@reddit
with no hybrid or electrification.
anal_bleaching69@reddit
Alive and over 16 with 3 working limbs.
AntaresHiS@reddit
I wonder what V-max it can do. For reference, the 1st gen Veyron had 1001 hp and was the first production car to surpass 400 km/h, iirc
e___r___s@reddit (OP)
Very curious as well. Even the engineers don’t know yet. Tadge openly said on the StarightPipes video (16:27) the car isn’t finished with testing and validation.
thepunnman@reddit
“Poised to slay supercars” bro this is a super car. This car goes toe to toe with a GT3 RS (maybe even GT2 RS), Ferrari F8, the new Lambo Revuelto, etc
Every single one will be bought for $250k by collectors and then never driven.
CWRules@reddit
The Z06 is a supercar. This is veering into hypercar territory.
crozone@reddit
I don't know if it can be considered a hypercar, it's still a fairly normal vehicle. Hypercars are supposed to be stupidly expensive, special, and compromised. You could daily drive a Corvette to work.
watduhdamhell@reddit
You mean uncompromised, not compromised. They have no compromises: performance is the goal. Regular sports vehicles are compromised- they have to be practical, efficient, and fast in order to be attractive.
crozone@reddit
I'd say they're compromised in order to achieve a given vision at all costs. Whatever the car is attempting to achieve, it has to do it in a way that justifies the pricetag. At the end of the day, all engineering is a compromise, a hypercar is just a situation where money isn't one of them.
Many hypercars aren't actually that comfortable, for example, maybe with the notable exception of Bougatti who kind of market themselves as the "comfortable and fast in a straight line" hypercar brand.
watduhdamhell@reddit
You can make whatever point you want here, but I'm trying to tell you the common usage of the phrase is "uncompromised" or "uncompromising."
Like, in common parlance, one would say "the SF90 is an uncompromised hypercar." Meaning it made no concessions to be anything but a hypercar.
CWRules@reddit
It's got the looks and the performance, I think the only thing stopping it from being a hypercar is the prestige. At the end of the day it's a Chevy with a sub-$300k price tag.
crozone@reddit
Look, it's good, but it doesn't have either the looks or performance of a hypercar. It's firmly right in the middle of the supercar realm, and that's a good thing, because if it were a hypercar it'd literally be 10-20x the price and nobody could afford it.
Looks wise, it's definitely getting to supercar territory, but it's still nowhere close to hypercar territory, it just isn't. This thing is not even in the ballpark of Pegani or Bugatti in terms of styling or quality.
Performance wise, it's also a mile off. The thing only makes 1064HP and weighs 3700 pounds. In the current hypercar segment, that's bad. The Koenigsegg Jesko makes 1280HP and weighs 2910 pounds, the ZR1 has to make over 200 more HP and shed 800 pounds, it's not even close.
Gundamnitpete@reddit
crozone@reddit
The entire point of the "hypercar" segment is that it's an insane exercise in excess, it consists of cars that are at the boundary of what is physically possible to build with current technology, and the cost obviously reflects that. A hypercar is basically the definition of "spared no expense". It's reserved for vehicles like the Aston Martin Valkyrie, Koenigsegg Jesko, Bugatti Chiron, Mercedes-AMG One... crazy shit like that.
The ZR1 is a supercar. It's a very fast Corvette. It's not some insane exotic carbon fiber monster with a titanium engine that costs 7 figures just to build. It's a vehicle designed to be mass produced, relatively affordable, reliable, and serviceable. It still has an aluminum frame, with some carbon fiber panels bolted on. The engine is powerful, but at the end of the day, it's not that exotic. And the car nearly weighs a whopping 3,700 pounds. It's heavy. Put simply, the ZR1 isn't even close to hypercar territory, because for 10x the price it could still be a whole lot better.
John_Sux@reddit
Yes, that's the whole point
Gundamnitpete@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4aRyeun7Iw
StrikeouTX@reddit
I believe the term you are defining is exotic. The ZR1 fits every definition of a hypercar.
John_Sux@reddit
You can build a mad car, as here, with the US style fixation on the price/performance ratio. But you can't build a supercar or hypercar like that. Look how cheap it is inside and out. Value is never the point. You might as well call a Toyota a "value Lexus", that's not how that works!
crozone@reddit
It really doesn't.
newtonreddits@reddit
The world's first six figure hypercar. You cannot not afford to buy one!
blue_bomber697@reddit
GT3 RS is not in this category. This is upper tier of Supercar level. Matching the higher end Ferrari’s, Lambo Revuelto, 750S, etc. GT2RS can be in the conversation sure, but GT3RS doesn’t reach this level.
__erxck@reddit
Price wise the GT3RS is absolutely a direct competitor
AkiraSieghart@reddit
Yeah, but the whole point of the Corvette is that it punches above its pay grade, so price comparisons are kinda moot. The Z06 already outclasses the GT3RS is practically every category. The GT3RS is not a competitor for the ZR1.
That said, I'd still take a GT3RS over a Z06, personally.
DanielG165@reddit
Okay, but performance wise, it isn’t. The GT2 RS will be competing with this thing; the GT3 RS is being handled by the Z06 already.
UsernameAvaylable@reddit
I mean, by HP numbers. Lets wait for the lap times, because going by hp numbers, a tesla model S should also slay a GT3 RS.
C_J_W@reddit
Well no, practically it isn't. Everyone knows by now that the "MSRP" of Porsche's GT cars is a red herring. A regular person will need about 3x more capital to buy a GT3RS than this ZR1, and they will not be able to just walk into a dealership and buy one.
mrnealboy@reddit
Is this is a supercar lol
Threather19@reddit
The C8 Z06 is a super car. This is a hyper car.
mrnealboy@reddit
Imo it does not have the “flare” of a hyper car. It’s still a corvette.
fadedspark@reddit
Bad take IMO.
What flair is it missing?
It's got the performance in every measurable category. And they got there with the same engine philosophy as super cars and hyper cars do now.
You don't like that it's got an American nameplate.
John_Sux@reddit
It needs a proper interior. Rather than just something ancillary, "good enough" for the purposes of maximizing performance per dollar. It shouldn't be a crass value-oriented Hot Wheels porta-potty on the inside.
Alec_NonServiam@reddit
I think a car crosses the line into "hyper" when literally no expense is spared. Interior, exterior, wheels, crazy engineering... And no hypercar is mass-produced. This is a supercar imo.
mrnealboy@reddit
There’s more then just performance. Theirs history and looks as well. I don’t think this car is comparable to Bugatti, Pagani, or Koenigsegg.
It might be faster performance wise but it is not comparable to any car ever made by one of these brands reputation wise.
John_Sux@reddit
Nah, that requires the full package, a better interior and shit like that
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MonkeyManJohannon@reddit
This will be the bar for some time to come I feel. I’m not even a huge corvette fan, but special is special, and this car is a monster. I cannot wait to see what it does on the various race tracks around the world.
youra6@reddit
Imagine pulling a ZR1 and Zora to the same dealership that services Chevy Aveos.
Mental_Turtles@reddit
GM making me proud to be American bald 🦅
Swagsturbate@reddit
This car will do to supercars today what the Nissan GT-R did to them in 2009.
lifesaplay@reddit
What did it do? Genuine question, I was like 12 back in 2009 lol
Initial-D-and-GuP@reddit
The GT-R recalibrated the entire supercar world when it dropped. The way it launched, the immense mechanical grip and the insane AWD. R35 GT-Rs handing Porsche their own ass back, blitzing other much more expensive cars on the Nurburgring.
I can totally see this ZR1 doing a similar thing. With cars like this and especially the super EVs like the Plaid and Lucid Sapphire, power and speed have been democratized, accessible to the common person for the first time.
Supercars can no longer rely on just power alone to differentiate themselves. See the Bugatti Tourbillon as an example. The engine itself is a masterpiece. So are the fully analog gauges.
John_Sux@reddit
What does this ZR1 differentiate itself on, besides the power figure?
yantraa@reddit
Which is equally really cool and terrifying.
to_the_victors_91@reddit
I just don't see how this thing will put the power down. 2wd and significantly less downforce than a gt3 rs.
I hope it can, because what GM achieved with that engine is a miracle and peak ICE
TS040@reddit
they’ll probably use boost by gear, Ferrari have been doing it since they reintroduced turbos to their cars. IIRC basically all their turbocharged cars only produce peak torque in their final gear
bouncy-castle@reddit
Mid engine
AdventurousDress576@reddit
Massive tyres.
crozone@reddit
I remember seeing lots of discussion about how Nissan had to add extra beading to the edges of the GT-R's rims so that the tires wouldn't be torn off off under the enormous turning loads. Apparently it's actually a bit of a pain to deal with when changing tyres, but it was excellent marketing and really conveyed just how monstrous the grip was.
lifesaplay@reddit
Are the new GT-Rs still carrying on that legacy or was it just a one time thing? I think C8 Stingray alone is one of the most revolutionary cars and people were comparing it to 200K+ cars.
Initial-D-and-GuP@reddit
The GT-R started the trend. Unfortunately the rest of the world has left it behind.
Back in 2009, people complained that the GT-R was far too computerized to be an authentic drivers experience. It was too sanitized compared to the howling Ferrari 458 and brutal Dodge Viper.
Nowadays the GT-R is one of the most raw and mechanical driving experiences out there.
TwoMuchSaus@reddit
Amazing performance for 70k back then. Think 0-60 was under 3s.
lifesaplay@reddit
Under 3s for 70K in god damn 2009 is mid boggling! Lol.
StraY_WolF@reddit
The best thing is that isn't even the most impressive thing about it. In handles better than almost anything back then.
TwoMuchSaus@reddit
Yeah it even won Motor Trend car of the year!
crozone@reddit
And it had their latest ATTESA system which was very advanced and hugely effective at maintaining grip and stability. It felt space-aged at the time.
Quatro_Leches@reddit
I was like 12 too and I still remember how big it was, I never seen one driven at that time but it was huge on tv and car shows etc. biggest car launch that I could remember, it absolutely destroyed every supercar around a track and it launched for like 80K or something.
YouWillHaveThat@reddit
No. It won’t. Because dealers wont take less than $500k for them.
gainzsti@reddit
People downvote you but it's fact. This car will slay supercar be ause it is one; no common mortal will be able to buy one or afford one. It will rot in instagram and influencers garage and be bought for clout.
thisisjustascreename@reddit
Meh, typically Corvette performance trims don't really languish on dealer lots because you can order the same exact car from the next dealer over and get it in 3 months.
PandaDentist@reddit
I think this is the part people fail to understand about GM and the vette in general. It is a production car in every sense of the word. The bowling green assembly line doesnt care about the trim level, they will continue to roll out car after car. Sure it might take a bit longer for some trims if they order special parts in batches, but your not waiting a year or two for your top trim corvette in most cases.
GM is a powerhouse of manufacturing.
gainzsti@reddit
It doesn't stop dealer not selling at msrp. Go try now to buy a z06 in canada.
thisisjustascreename@reddit
People who haven't been to Bowling Green and gone on the tour never understand this. The ZR1 and the C8 base model will get assembled one right after another as if they're just different trims of the same car, which they are. The only thing that's different is some people will believe their sales guy saying he can only order one with all the options.
PandaDentist@reddit
Well yeah, imagine the resale value if my corvette is the same as yours. Everyone knows every corvette is a one of one. There was no other 2009, in yellow, with a manual, chrome valve stem covers and with piss stained seats.
probsdriving@reddit
This doomed ass pessimistic viewpoint is so prevalent and beyond annoying.
Z06s are under MSRP at this point. GM is in the business of making as many cars as possible. A year or two after production this car will be pretty easily obtainable at sticker.
So tired of the constant whining and crying on this sub
gainzsti@reddit
Not everywhere. In Canada no. Only in the US maybe.
5tudent_Loans@reddit
The only saving grace is factory strikes are resolved instantly so they can keep punping them out
michaelalex3@reddit
I dream of the day we can have one thread without this comment.
It’s also not limited at all, there will be markups initially but they will lessen like they did with the Z06.
anal_bleaching69@reddit
Maybe for the Zora but not the ZR1 and even the Zora will probably be unlimited
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Bad dealers*
StockAL3Xj@reddit
I doubt it. Anyone who wanted and could afford a GTR could easily get one. I doubt these will be nearly as accessible.
thisisjustascreename@reddit
Why? It's a Corvette, there's thousands of Chevrolet dealers competing for your order.
LAXBASED@reddit
So many European boutique car companies are going to rebody the C8 and tier them off GM’s success. I’m not a fan of the C8 over the C6/C7 but these cars are fucking sick on what’s achieved. Now if only GM can get their shit together and start brining back more V8’s.
John_Sux@reddit
Anyone with taste would take a C8 to a coach builder
chandy_dandy@reddit
Honestly they should get Pininfarina to rebody the cars to be less practical but keep everything else the same to be more exotic and they could sell it for 4x the price, make one for Z06 and a separate one for this
It would also turn those into the collectors editions instead of the regular cars.
KEENMACHlNE@reddit
I'm sure like the C8 the price/performance will be unmatched but man I just can't get down with the looks of this generation of corvette. Just seems over-designed to me.
John_Sux@reddit
You can have a good price/performance ratio, or money and attention spent on the looks.
natesully33@reddit
Line up all the 'Vettes in a row, and you notice each generation gains more vents and other styling doodads as you go from 1-8, and the C8 is all funky since it's mid engined. Dunno which I like best, It's a battle between the clean looks of the older cars and the "serious track business" styling of the 6-8 for me.
Hmm, I'll go with the C4 just to be different.
221missile@reddit
I think the wider body and the aero perfectly complement the Z06 and ZR1, but the stingray definitely looks over styled.
swampfox94@reddit
For me it’s the stupid golf club holder. Throws off the proportions. Wish they got rid of it and shortened the tail
LA-ncevance@reddit
Just think of it as a McLaren long tail
Ihate_reddit_app@reddit
As somebody that owns a C8, I love the extra storage space. Gives me a bunch of extra excuses to drive the car. I'd hate for them to remove functionality just for looks.
to_the_victors_91@reddit
Thats what def kills the proportions. It's got Kardashian butt
anal_bleaching69@reddit
They should kill the golf club trunk on the Zora, because screw driving a Zora to the course
Speeedrooo@reddit
Well now that the frunk is gone for more aero and cooling, I appreciate the storage space they left in the back.
Suspicious-Visit8634@reddit
This is it. I was looking at mine the other day and it hit me like “oh.. that’s why it looks a little odd” - while I use and appreciate the trunk space, it does change the proportions quite a bit in the back
driving_for_fun@reddit
C6 is peak corvette imo
tmothy07@reddit
For pure beauty I don’t think one can beat the C2 coupe, even though I’m partial to the early C3 convertibles.
PlantainNearby4791@reddit
Love a good metal bumper C3
lifesaplay@reddit
I think the Stingray is best looking out of all of them, Z06 front fascia is extremely overdone and looks strange. There’s even a thread on the Corvette forum about this lol
opeth10657@reddit
It's like chevy turned over corvette design to Hot Wheels after the C6
bl0odredsandman@reddit
I honestly didn't care for it a whole bunch when it first came out, but it's really grown on me and I'm really liking the ZR1 look. Probably my favorite of the C8s so far.
2nuki@reddit
It is a supercar now.
John_Sux@reddit
I think you'd need a proper interior and such to qualify as a supercar. Something like that, not a "value oriented" one with wonky stitching
onlyslightlybiased@reddit
215mph from 1064hp, come on guys, be imaginative
John_Sux@reddit
It's a lot harder to apply that power, after wrenching it out of an engine.
luvvshvd@reddit
Nice numbers but it's still ugly.
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
Genuinely curious if this is ugly what's good looking to you?
luvvshvd@reddit
I like classics, give me an E type Jag, Gullwing, Miura, Original Cobra, some muscle cars - but the super/hyper car does nothing aesthetically for me. The original NSX and some Aston Martins I find very appealing but give me a convertible 57 Chevy and I'd be a happy man.
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
That makes sense then. Less is more to you and this type of car could just seem like too much.
John_Sux@reddit
Most American cars are quite crass looking like that. But that's what the buyers like, or don't care about.
luvvshvd@reddit
Everytime I see a newer Vette I picture the 63 - 67 and wonder what exactly are they trying to achieve.
Needsbiggerturbos@reddit
Agreed the c8 is fugly. It looks like two different design cars because of weird b pillar to rear of car transition. Regardless I may still have to pick one of these up lol
instagigated@reddit
New dream car.
rope_6urn@reddit
It's still a Corvette. Dime a dozen
PrpleMnkyDshwsher@reddit
Already weeping for all the Jorts that are going to be permanently soiled when deliveries begin.
PreacherSquat@reddit
the question now is what kind of dealership fuckery are we going to get with this
CmanderShep117@reddit
So does this official make Chevy the horsepower house of America not that Dodge has given up?
ledzep14@reddit
Yes. Demon 170 made 1025hp but only on E85. The ZR1 makes 1064hp on regular 93 octane.
happyevil@reddit
Stellantis in shambles.
I mean they have been for the last 20 years, but also now.
JonRadian@reddit
Is Zora necessary?
(was '25 ZR1 necessary)
ledzep14@reddit
The ZR1 is still RWD so yes, a Zora is necessary. C7 ZR1 pushed the limit of FR Corvettes. I want to see the limit get pushed for the MR Corvettes
DH64@reddit
Yes.
Odd_Weather9349@reddit
A hypothetical Zora, with probably 1,100+ hp from the ICE alone, plus just the standard 160hp from the E-Ray. An unthinkable amount of power for a car of this price.
Imagine a guy who owns 8 Pizza Hut franchises wielding power you had to pay $5 mil for 10 years ago
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Still got room for an electric motor, it this is insane I don’t even wanna imagine the Zora
olmoscd@reddit
Apparently they weren't targeting such high horsepower but when they made the engine, they said on the dyno with wastegates WIDE OPEN, the engine was making 850hp lol
olmoscd@reddit
also: the idea that this car has more power than a fucking LS7 going PER DRIVEN WHEEL is just incredible. outstanding work, GM. Thank god the government saved you.
Tom_Woods@reddit
Best fiero ever!
Loud_Dumps@reddit
Can’t wait for people to buy them and tuck them away. Or flip them thinking it’s going to make them filthy rich
olmoscd@reddit
Which is annoying because it's not some limited production car that you wanna baby. Buy it and drive the shit out of it please. If Rowan Atkinson put 40,000 miles on his McLaren F1 and crashed it TWICE, please just buy the ZR1 and drive the wheels off.
TheBeesSteeze@reddit
"Pointing speed sensors at the turbos allows the blowers to spin faster, with the compressor blade tips traveling up to 1.7 times the speed of sound. The turbine wheels are made of Mar, a nickel-based alloy with even greater heat tolerance than Inconel to withstand temperatures as high as 1,900 degrees Fahrenheit. At full chat, the engine runs on 20 psi of boost with so much air pumping through the cylinders that the exhaust exiting the four tailpipes pushes the car with 37 pounds of thrust."
Jesus
Gundamnitpete@reddit
37 pounds of thrust just from the tail pipes
Insane.
Merry_Dankmas@reddit
I watched Throttle Houses video on this last night and I gotta say: This car makes me feel some kind of way. And by some kind of way, I mean aroused. I've always been mid ground on Corvettes. Didnt love them and didn't hate them. My dream car has always been a Hellcat Challenger because I could still get my ridiculous power output with a manual. But after learning about this ZR1, I think it has taken the place of the Hellcat as my dream car. This thing is just absolutely insane in the best of ways.
Will I realistically ever be able to afford this ZR1? No. As someone pointed out above in the comments, dealers are gonna slap a $150k+ dealer markup on top of the already 6 figure base price. So the Helly is infinitely more affordable. But gawt damn does this spike my interest in Vettes.
notataco007@reddit
Legitimately talking about Mach speeds and thrust in your budget hypercar is insane
LordZeus10@reddit
I read this in Jeremy Clarkson‘s voice and now I have a tingling sensation down there.
TaeAdams@reddit
Nah this would definitely be Richard Hammond reading here.
SRTie4k@reddit
Jeremy would try to say it in that awful American accent, given his disdain for American cars.
Lionkingjom@reddit
And I'm fully erect.
Used_Guidance7368@reddit
Dodge is fucking seething right now
CompetitionFalse3620@reddit
The world has to end at some point. I'm 48 and remember the ZR1 having 375hp and thinking that was insane.
uber_neutrino@reddit
It's pretty cool, maybe I'll trade in my Z06, we'll see how I feel next year.
hondajvx@reddit
Remake the "we still build rockets" ad with this please
GlockTwins@reddit
Just wait for the hybrid version, that will truly make heads explode
Higher_Math@reddit
They should make it part of NFL rookie contracts that they are forbidden to buy these.
Hrmerder@reddit
Am I the only one who thinks it better because it's already a supercar with supercar money?
BitOfDifference@reddit
You can get a GT500 over 1k HP... the vette will probably handle it better though. HP isnt everything, its the handling at speed that matters. Also, Lambo/ferrari are about name dropping.... rich people dont care that the vett is faster and if they do, they just buy it to stick in the garage next to the lambo's and ferrari's then talk about it like a joke car that attempts to give their others a run for the money...
AggravatingZone991@reddit
Whatever helps you sleep at night bro 😂
dam_sharks_mother@reddit
Another performance monster from Chevy. But it's a Chevy that is going to be sold way over MSRP, require the owner to take it to a Chevy dealer for service, and honestly just isn't an attractive car, inside or out. Shoppers who can stroke a check for $200k are far and few between - we have now left the typical comfort zone of Corvette shoppers.
AggravatingZone991@reddit
lmao
Jabin04@reddit
keep in mind that the new ZR1 is also going to probably be 3800 pounds. It's still very impressive though, just wish corvettes would dial back the weight
V48runner@reddit
Doug DeMuro will complain about the cheap interior.
MichiganGeezer@reddit
It'll be interesting to see how the transmission holds up.
SweetTooth275@reddit
Just drop the corvette nameplate, seriously
Tumbleweedwhacker@reddit
Breaking GMs dyno setup several times is one of the most impressive things I heard about any engine development in recent times.
Agitated-Comfort6277@reddit
Dang. I hope they put a lot of effort in reliability. Engine is stressed for sure.
Comprehensive_Dog651@reddit
Lightning lap time for this might not be as large a gap as between the zo6 as the horsepower figures might imply. Apparently the damping is set up to be more comfortable than the zo6, which in my opinion is the right move as the customer base is less welcoming of a barely street legal track monster as compared to exotic brands
MrRedVsMrGreen@reddit
modern day dodge viper
leTrull@reddit
They've been doing a lot of testing on the nordschleife.
I finally want to see official lap times for both the Z06 and this.
anal_bleaching69@reddit
THIS. GM engineers watched Ford vs Ferrari and said “hold my beer”
F-18EBestHornet@reddit
Except GM has won Le mans more times than Ford did
Thelifeofnerfingwolf@reddit
Seems Like chevy is finally responding to the mustang gtd.
F-18EBestHornet@reddit
The GTD is a boat compared to a standard Z06 lmao.
MyGrandmasCock@reddit
I can’t wait to see one in my part of town doing 120mph up the bike lane at 8 am in rush hour traffic being driven by a 16 year old middle eastern kid.
Fun times!
ThroatGoat71@reddit
Incoming "BuT iT's StiLL a CoRvEtTe i'D rAtHeR hAvE a NsX".
These badge snobs always be driving something like a $19k WRX or a $35k BMW M3 while pretending to know everything about these $150k -> $300k cars based off the badge...
Smokey_the_beer@reddit
Oh good Lordy the split window 🤤😍
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t33po@reddit
Daily drive-able twin turbo 1000hp V8 with anti lag from GM? My brain cannot process that. Obligatory ‘back in my day’ those kinds of stats were from insane tuners like Koenig with lol reliability.
gdnws@reddit
Motortrend has a more in depth article on the engine. Development sounds as though it was interesting and, although they don't give overall dimensions and weights, it seems like this would be quite power and weight dense.
jeffh19@reddit
1064 HP? So much power they advertise that they have to limit the power in the first two gears?
RWD??? When they literally have AWD on that platform already? (I get thats weight from battery/motors+this car but still)
wwwhhyyyyy?!?!?
I'm a lifelong Corvette Fanboy. My dad started a Corvette club 50 years ago that has grown into a huge club, He's had double digit Vettes, I've had a few etc...and I want basically nothing to do with the C8. Especially this car. I'd literally rather have a stock GR86 because I'm only going to street drive it.
Farah talked about how the C7 ZR1 was too fast. In the video he was driving it on...VIR or Willow maybe and he said its so fast he has to use 100% of his concentration on driving and everything was happening way too fast that he really had a hard time mentally keeping up with what the car was doing, and he's not a noob to driving fast cars on the track.
anal_bleaching69@reddit
Buy a base C8 or e-ray. There is a C8 for everyone, though I dislike the busy styling
Intrepid-Working-731@reddit
1064 hp to the rear wheels with no hybrid assist. Just insane.
somedude456@reddit
I'll skip the aero/wing package, and dream of JSB coming back as a color... and dreaming I can afford one.
Intrepid-Working-731@reddit
1064 hp to the rear wheels is insane.
Intrepid-Working-731@reddit
1064 hp to the rear wheels is insane.
ALaLaLa98@reddit
Man, this thing is fucking nuts.
4by4rules@reddit
the day they make a vette without a cheap azz T top is the day i may buy one
imjoeking69@reddit
Bro HATES the option to get wind in their hair
4by4rules@reddit
this bro prefers the option of a non removable roof
imjoeking69@reddit
Then don’t take it off 😹 you won’t even know it’s removable unless you look for it
4by4rules@reddit
just like all the other “super cars”
Bigringcycling@reddit
So did you buy one yet?
4by4rules@reddit
hee the “coupe” has a TTOP
bestselfnice@reddit
They haven't made a Corvette with a t top for 42 years grandpa
4by4rules@reddit
well grandpa calls anything that pops out like a t-top, rattles and whistles like a t top a t top……..
RumpleHelgaskin@reddit
Say hello to your new F1 engine design!
tmothy07@reddit
S P L I T W I N D O W P L I T W I N D O W
Spooky_Pizza@reddit
Now THIS is how to send off a supercar legacy. What a beast. Can't wait to see it driving and set some lap records, and oh my the Zora is gonna be insane
Iron_1200@reddit
I can’t find a definitive answer on this, but is it AWD or RWD?
e___r___s@reddit (OP)
RWD.
hyteck9@reddit
AND available as a converible !!
akaneel@reddit
I’m ready to sell everything fuck me I will own one
Pinarb1@reddit
Something about the new corvettes I just don’t like. Back light reminds me Camaro. I had 2019 ZR1 and loved it. But this one is not my thing. Look is way too much and ugly to me.
orhantemerrut@reddit
I can't seem to find how much this weighs. Anyone?
BlueSpruce67@reddit
I believe I heard 3750lb convertible, 3700lb coupe
orhantemerrut@reddit
A little bit higher compared to 3,434 lbs. of the Z06.
therestruth@reddit
Sounds like it's more than ready to make up for that bit of extra weight/traction with the big bump in power.
carsonwade@reddit
I'm just glad it's under 4,000.
dreadnought_81@reddit
James from Throttle House quoted a 3670lb (\~1665kg) dry weight, presumably for the lightest configuration.