How far do you need to be from a nuclear attack to survive the blast?

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Firestar222@reddit

It’s complicated. Probably the best bet is to play with something like this.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Really? I hadnt thought about that 🤔

What about other S American countrys? Would BRICS association be a factor?

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Bacontoad@reddit

The advantage over other South American countries really is that they're farther south geographically from the equator so they won't be subject to the same nuclear fallout swirling around the globe. Neither one is a member of BRICS.

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

What about the other places down there like Uruguay and Paraguay (I hope I spelled those right they look weird to me) are they any good? I'm trying to cross index in my head with places where getting citizenship can be accomplished but maybe if there was a nuclear exchange they might have looser immigration policy? Or maybe tighter if they dont want to be friendly about it.🤔

On BRICS I was thinking about Brazil and maybe Venezuela then if others jumped on board they could be painting a target on themself?

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Bacontoad@reddit

Uruguay is a poor country, but they're also probably the most stable politically, have the best port facilities in South America, and the most renewable energy (hydro and wind make up 97%). They actually have a lot of flexible options when it comes to applying for citizenship.

I wouldn't consider anything farther north like Bolivia or landlocked like Paraguay.

So far as I know BRICS is just an economic alliance. Especially considering two of its members have regular border skirmishes (India and China).

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Don't forget Rad-X! 💊

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Seems like you picked a weird place to hang out? Whats in it for you?

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Entire-Balance-4667@reddit

Nothing whatsoever. It's just you guys are putting so much effort into preparing. I'm prepping. But beyond one year if there's no power grid there's no humanity.

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

Ok?

Its just a hypothetical conversation Its no big deal if its not your jam I just dont know why youd bother to tell us not to bother?

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Entire-Balance-4667@reddit

I didn't mean not to bother. I just mean beyond a year with no power grid in the nation. Or around the world. There's nothing to prepare for.

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SpecialistOk3384@reddit

https://github.com/davidteter/OPEN-RISOP

These are possible targets in an exchange.

Mac_Elliot@reddit

I mean I do get why they did it, but damn at least wait till grade 12 or something lol. It was a quality movie though, it probably should be brought back into the mainstream to warn people again. US is sending long range missiles to Ukraine to hit Russia, we are escelating this war like its a fucking game or something.

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Longjumping_Bid_797@reddit

I'm struggling to think of why someone would target London. DC and moscow are getting most of them

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Anarchyantz@reddit

Ok, as a Brit I will explain.

First part is Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty (NATO) states that if a NATO member is attacked, all other members are considered to be under attack and must assist the victim. We have a duty to respond in kind, and being a nuclear armed country, guess what we are launching? Treaties are a big reason why countries tend to have to skirt around direct attacks because otherwise you end up with WWI and WWII which came about due to treaties of attack and defense.

Second part, as of the 1980s America has many bases here and guess what? They have their nukes here!

Our surveillance and alerts also feed into America for tracking planes and missiles.

Dull_Kiwi167@reddit

It would depend on how much of the detonation is fission. A pure fusion bomb would have just a little fallout. A Neutron bomb would be such a device. After the detonation, just wait for the area to thermally cool down and you can reoccupy.

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tlbs101@reddit

There is an optimum height above the ground for each bomb/warhead type (depending on yield) to cause maximum blast damage. Somewhere between 1000’ and 5000’ above the ground.

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Mesquite_Thorn@reddit

Thst's hard to even picture... 5000', nearly a mile, just to hit the maximum blast radius. That's a big fucking explosion.

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Open-Attention-8286@reddit

There are so many variables, and so little experimental data, that it's hard to get a real answer.

I used to know a woman who was a kid in Nagasaki when the bomb hit. Her school was close to the center of the blast. Students at the desks around her died instantly. She survived until 2015. She never even got cancer from it.

Mediktoe@reddit

A truck carried ground burst by a non-national terrorist group will be much different than an air burst sent with love by a national nuclear power that’s developed multistage thermonuclear warheads on the tip of a ballistic missile. The terror guys will likely be under 10 or 15 kilotons due to tech constraints and access to materials.

In theory you could be in a city like DC and in its northern neighborhoods and be ok, but you’d still need to put distance between you and the blast zone after the fact. This is assuming common weather patterns, throw a southern front in the mix and things change.

Take that northern DC neighborhood and change it to a 100 kiloton airburst from NK or an airburst from Russia into the tens of megatons potentially, and all bets are off. Even the hardened bunkers in DC and the metro tunnels are a losing proposition.

Don’t live in large cities, around valuable military based nuclear targets like missile fields (Nebraska, Montana, and Wyoming will get the heaviest saturation of warheads from Russia) or submarine bases or comms facilities, and be ready to survive under very austere conditions. This is assuming a worst case scenario where for whatever reason the US and Russia let em fly.

Read “Nuclear War” by Annie Jacobson if you want to get deep in the weeds on this stuff. You won’t be disappointed.

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

I saw her when she was doing the podcast circuit a year ago... when I posted this

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Wrong_Ad_1039@reddit

Probably nowhere, because the minute one nuke gets launched, 300 more retaliatory missiles are fired

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Shoddy-Dragonfly5133@reddit

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djfolo@reddit

Nuclear blasts are devastating, but they actually aren’t as wide as people assume (at least the fire blast / leveling of everything in existence).

The majority of death will be cause by radiation. Thermal and/or nuclear. Honestly the people within radius of the detonation will be far better off than those not… ie the death will be basically instant.

Not strictly true. Even air bursts have some fallout from the bomb itself, but it is much less than for a ground burst.

Having said that, people did get radiation poisoning and some died from the fallout from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and both were air bursts..

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

How does airburst work? Like how does it know ok I've fallen far enough time to explode?

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I know this because I had to do a bunch of programming for the Y2K thing about 25 years ago, and I was in the meetings where my employer met with the utilities and they discussed the plans. There's about a full day to two days worth of water in the tanks. BTW their plan was they had portable gasoline powered pumps to refill the tanks.

And don't forget if you have a hot water heater, that's another resource. We have a 40 gallon tank. With judicious use, that will last the distaffbopper and I 2 to 3 weeks.

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bonfireusa@reddit

Would the radius of the radiation fallout be dependent on wind direction?

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marwood0@reddit

Yes. If one hits my nearby city, it will be an airburst for maximum damage and a large burst of gamma which should die down over the next few weeks. 3 hours drive away from be are silos, which will be first-target ground burts, but winds mostly blow away from my direction so less worry.

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upsycho@reddit

I was just watching a documentary last night on Hiroshima is that the place where they dropped the first nuclear bomb?

Anyway there were one man and one woman (not related) still alive that were a mile and a half and 2 miles away from the center . they were 80 or in their 80s now and they were remembering their experience of what that day was like.

There was even a guy that was a photographer that was eating breakfast when it happened and he grabbed his camera and went went out and he didn't know if he should take photos or not because they weren't supposed to take photos of things that would make the country look bad.

He did take photos and they showed the negatives. They said the negatives were almost disintegrated from all these years but they restored them and the photos were restored and it was amazing the photographs after being restored all the things that you could see like the different bodies laying on the ground behind the people that were standing on the bridge.

You changed your reply

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YourHighness1087@reddit

The fallout is not of the issue of you survive at all.

Smaller, tactical nukes would give the populace more of a change to surrender then comply with the winning force. Minimal ecological damage sh that resources are all still viable after the event of a war.

Sometime that could take out an entire nation would honestly be the worst possible choice due to the fact that the earth would be poisoned beyond repair, useless for either faction winner or not.

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ResolutionMaterial81@reddit

This is the easiest.... https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

But Nuclear War Simulator on Steam is the best simulator I am aware of available to the general public.

https://nuclearwarsimulator.com/

A simulation on YouTube https://youtu.be/9Md1jeMNo_Q

I have NWS on a dedicated laptop for running scenarios. Combined with HYSPLIT (incorporates current weather patterns into the simulation for fallout mapping) it is a very useful tool for going down the GTW Rabbit Hole.

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RequirementFormer875@reddit

Read nuclear war a scenario by Annie jacobson, awesome well researched book on nuclear Armageddon. The short answer is 11+ miles to stand a chance short term. But then you’ll die in a nuclear holocaust within 2 hours anyways…

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HazMatsMan@reddit

No. That book is full of technical errors. It is not an authoritative source on nuclear weapon effects. It's a work of fiction and nothing more.

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RequirementFormer875@reddit

What errors? I’m reading it now, I haven’t fact checked all of her sources, but so far it seems very logical and well researched?

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HazMatsMan@reddit

The escalation is wildly contrived. Jacobsen uses asinine conditions to achieve her desired outcome... because something more plausible or realistic might not result in the outcome she intends.

Since you're still reading it, I don't want to go too far into it, but this isn't exactly a commonly understood topic so Jacobsen can say she "talked to the experts" then say whatever she wants. The people who know, are few and far between and many can't say anything because debunking it may brush up against classified information. If you dig around the r/nuclearweapons subreddit, which is populated with experts, the book was not well received.

Bottom line, by all means enjoy the book as a piece of fiction. But leave it at that. Don't try to assign some greater meaning to it or fool yourself into believing that what she says is what will be. It's not a technical manual.

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RequirementFormer875@reddit

Fair enough, I completely understand your point. I think she does state things as very definitive as a selling tactic. I don’t by any means think that it is the one true outcome of a nuclear war. But it’s interesting as a thought experiment on the worst case scenario escalation at the very least.

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

I saw shes been on tour going on lots of podcasts so I've heard of it but it hasn't made its way to the method I use to obtain ebooks I dont know if I would like it bc its supposed to be more like a story than a straight up non-fiction book?

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What do you think Nuclear war is? A tickle fight? Why have 6000 bombs and only use less than 10%? If it goes down it then there are no winners. Be happy you are near a blast zone.

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simonsurreal1@reddit

The same distance away to survive the blast radius of any large bomb

F.also E.evidence A.ppearing R.eal

Ya ll are literally cowards that can’t stop talking about this nuclear thing - look into it more and maybe you wouldn’t be so afraid

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

Ppl often fear what they dont understand thats why I ask questions

Getting answers sometimes is really helpful but you seem to busy calling ppl names to be helpful

Thats ok tho you dont have to be helpful

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simonsurreal1@reddit

I think people believe they are going to be exposed to like x Ray level radiation for months after something like this happens

There’s that’s show on tv what’s it called fallout 😆 no propaganda there !!!

If you want to be safe though the product to have for radiation scares is iodine. I bought some and I don’t even believe the bombs are what they say.

Get some iodine and hopefully get out of the big cities that’s your best bet to stay safe during an attack

Sorry again for the negativity

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simonsurreal1@reddit

I can help and thought I did I was being honest. Sometimes weak men need to be told so that they step aside and let the strong ones lead, but you are right name calling has no place in this shift of consciousness that is happening

I ll go into though if ya want - tough to see who’s a real person on this Dead Internet, luckily I have notes so this shouldn’t take too long also my source is a phD in physics…

What I is meant by nuclear energy? Nuclear fuel is from an ore called pitch blend. This is a gray black rock which contains heavy metals such as lead, uranium, thorium, and radium. Uranium is extracted from the pitch blend in Rich and refining into a fuel rod placed in the steam, and it drives turbines creating power. Charged uranium is hot to the touch and stores and releases heat.

Galen Windsor designed and operated many nuclear facilities and was in charge of the inventory of all the fuels in the United States. He talks of extracting the plutonium by hand with no shielding. Windsor swam in the pools where the waste was kept and ate uranium live on stage.

As far as Hiroshima Nagasaki, we are told that one had uranium fuel and the other bomb used plutonium fuel. However, they could’ve just been napalm and mustard gas, We don’t know.

The bombs were dropped and cities destroyed 💯 . But did we split the Atom and release radioactive particles? that is the propaganda behind the bomb.

Again, YES! the cities were burned to the ground. However, it is also crucial to realize that there was no nuclear fallout. The cities were rebuilt again, right after the war.

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Recent_Speech6628@reddit

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Karl5583@reddit

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Confident_Access6498@reddit

Relocate to Argentina

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

Really? But that guys hair? He looks like he was into the Beatles and then things got weird 😄

1,550 nuclear warheads on deployed ICBMs, deployed SLBMs, and deployed heavy bombers equipped for nuclear armaments (each such heavy bomber is counted as one warhead toward this limit);

That's 1,550 warheads on a grand total of 700 ICBMs, SLBMs, and bombers, or roughly 2.2 warheads per missile/bomber.

If you launch 20% of your launch vehicles, no matter what the mixture, that's only about 700 * .2 = 140 missiles/bombers and an average of 308 warheads.

The US has 450 Minuteman III missile silos alone. And given the need for each target to require at least 2 warheads, that only gives you 154 targets.

Sure, nuclear strategy can be a complex and deadly poker game. But at the level we are discussing, it's just simple grade school math.

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No_Character_5315@reddit

I honestly believe it's would be a Russia and China vs usa and allies so you have those numbers to compute either we are getting away from a point even if they land 2 nukes per state and yes I know some states will be targeted more the united states will not be habitable with any kind of quality of life for probably a decade. So IF you survive the initial attack your life expectancy would be short and very very unpleasant to answer op question.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

I'm not certain China would be willing to go down that hole with Russia. Right now, there is a bit of a marriage of convenience, but there are some serious cultural and ideological barriers between the two that are long standing and have lead to fighting in the past. As in, actual skirmishes.

China has its own goals aside from what Russia has, and in fact is kind of the senior partner having a much larger military and much, MUCH larger economy. According to Wikipedia, the Russian Armed Forces have a budget of $86.4 billion, and the People's Liberation Army* has a budget of $293 billion, over 3 times more.

Yes today's munitions are multiple times larger than what we're used during ww2. And there is really no way to avoid the fallout from the explosion(if you are on the surface), and ya that would cause plenty of medical problems. That being said, we have much better logistics now, so being able to find treatment in such a situation would be much easier in today's world. The hard part would would be getting far enough away from the blast center to find help. Today's treatments for radiation poisoning are much improved, so if you survived the blast and were able to receive treatment for radiation poisoning, I would say you could live a fairly normal life after, albeit on medication for the rest of your life

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

I was imaging in the case of complete collapse

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freyja2023@reddit

Even in that case, my previous response is accurate. If you survive, other people will be a major threat. And getting far enough from the epicenter to find help is key. Just because of a social collapse due to atomic war does not mean doctors and medicine will fail to exist. Finding them may be hard, but they will not just vanish.

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

I'm thinking infrastructure and power grid are gone as well as 75%ish of the population gone

Alot of things stop working when the electricity stops running the pumps that deliver fuel

Once existing medication ran out thst would be virtually the end to anything like 21st medicine

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Efficient-Damage-449@reddit

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Knock yourself out

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OnTheEdgeOfFreedom@reddit

A few miles, and a week of shelter to deal with any fallout, will usually do.

Well I quite enjoyed reading it if 'enjoy' is really the right word?😁

I've taken a keen interest in 2 different rodent studies and I wonder if you have any thoughts on them?

The first is John Calhouns mouse utopia experiments the most "famous" being universe 25 (overcrowding and Hyper social stimulation) the other Bruce Alexanders Rat Park which studied addiction

Heres Wikipedia links if you like: Rat Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

John Calhoun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

I feel like your prob already familiar and wiki links are so week but also if you didnt know but wanted a quick idea it would be stupid of me to expect you to go Google what I can easily provide

I wish school had been interesting like this I might have payed attention 😄

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OnTheEdgeOfFreedom@reddit

Don't do rats, sorry. It's hard enough keeping up with what humans do.

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

No worries 🙂

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Rbelkc@reddit

Live 100+ miles from a major city

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

Actually cities won't be targeted, per se, and 100 miles is *WAY* farther than you need to be.

Current nuclear arsenals limit potential targets to counter-force strikes, and strikes at command, control, communications, and intelligence targets. So yeah, Washington DC and the surrounding area is going to get hammered, but I don't expect Chicago or LA to be hit.

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CuriousKitty6@reddit

I live in LA so I’m curious- why do you think cities won’t be targeted? Wouldn’t that kill the most people and therefore be a target in a war scenario?

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

Because the number of deployed warheads is around 1,600 for both sides. Just taking out the US Minuteman III infrastructure is going to require 996 warheads, *MINIMUM*.

Basically, the number of deployed warheads is only barely adequate to go after your opponents nuclear war capability (ICBMs and associated facilities, strategic bomber bases, SLBM bases), along with command, control, communications, and intelligence facilities. Some cities will be hit of course. Washington DC and surrounding communities like Langley, VA, Fort Meade, MD, etc. And any city that has a significant military presence.

Now, Vandenburg AFB is a potential one, but it appears that their nuclear weapons storage facility is no longer used, as it's overgrown with vegetation. Might still get hit, though.

Next closest site I can think of is San Diego. The nuclear weapons storage facility on Coronado Island appears to be intact and in good repair, with the vegetation kept down, fences seem intact, and the anti-helicopter poles are still in place.

So San Diego is gonna get hit. Even if they don't actually have nuclear weapons there, it *LOOKS* like they might.

Beale AFB is a potential target as a dispersal field for strategic bombers, but that's up north of Sacramento.

I might be missing some, but I can't think of a major target of importance close enough to LA that LA would be collateral damage.

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CuriousKitty6@reddit

Thank you for all that info. I agree that San Diego would be a likely target for sure.

I think if anyone hit LA it would be to hit our culture and entertainment industry. But now a lot of it has spread to other areas of the country so may not be worth it.

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MarionberryCreative@reddit

I fully expect all port cities to get hit, just for shock and awe, and infrastructure crippling. So that includes LA and Chicago. I would say if there is a international Airort it's a target, because it could be utilized for counter offensive. Considering military bases are targets. I presume port cities are too.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

There aren't enough deployed warheads for "shock and awe".

For example, there are 450 Minuteman III silos, 45 Launch Control Centers, and 3 main bases that comprise our ICBM leg of the nuclear triad. That's 498 targets, and with the requirement that you target at least two warheads at each to assure destruction, that's 996 warheads just for that.

With deployed numbers as low as they are, and stored warheads ignorable because they're going to be targeted in the first strike, there just aren't enough to attack random cities. It's got to be strictly a counterforce strike along with C^(3)I targets.

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MarionberryCreative@reddit

Maybe 100+ miles from Military base/installation especialy if it has nukes?

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Main_Ad_5147@reddit

Unless you're looking for a sweet origin story and a sick glowing tan, I would say as far as possible and preferably up wind.

It depends on what type of bomb is used.

In the Mil they taught use to be at least 24 hrs drive away from the point of impact. That's ok if you know the impact site.

2nd option is they taught us to get as deep underground as deep as possible, I had tables and scales you could use but their somewhere in the garage, I think.

All pointless however as the Reds have about 5-7 MIRVS allocated for our medium and major cities so the fall out from that will be horrendous and with a flight-time of less than 30min any Nuke attack on the Mainland US will be almost inescapable.

Our only hope is a miracle or if our THADS or Lasers score 100%

The only consolation prize is that if you get caught in one you wont feel a thing as you will be dust in less than a few sec

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

Grim

So are you saying population centers would be targeted with the intent of making civilian casualties? Wouldn't that be the worst war crime ever? I get there wouldn't be many ppl writing down the history of how it happened bc anyone left would be to busy looking for food and stuff but still if anyone remembered that would be the worst thing to be remembered for

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Patrick1441@reddit

!“Let’s fire ICBMs over Russia and not bother to warn them ahead of time! What could possibly go wrong?”!<

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HazMatsMan@reddit

This is a perfect example of how Jacobsen uses asinine conditions to achieve her desired outcome. SLBMs wouldn't have had the overflight problem... so Jacobsen has to include ICBMs to "make the story happen."

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

Hmmm... I might need to poke around and see what I can find😄 I dont have the money for another subscription but I've listened to aLOT of books and I never pay anything I know that sounds kinda shitty but they really arent losing money bc I wouldn't buy anyway and if I get a little bit smarter thats like a net good for the whole world right?🤫

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WartHog-56@reddit

I don't know if its true, but if you can cover the blast with your thumb you're far enough away that you can live thru it.

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WxxTX@reddit

If you can see it you will likely go blind if you look at it, Its duck and cover, Not stand and hold your thumb up!

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Some of those buryed shipping containers look pretty claustrophobic 🤔

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RedneckMtnHermit@reddit

I live 30 miles west of Colorado Springs. I expect MULTIPLE groundbursts, and at least 3 or 4 airbursts. I guess best case, I'd catch a near-miss to the west and it'd be lights out instantly.

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

Well this party isnt for you we all decided to survive 🙂

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RedneckMtnHermit@reddit

LOL! Yeah, but man, every one of those sunsets when Pike's Peak turns orange and purple, between now and the mushrooms... <3

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Overall-Tailor8949@reddit

There are a myriad of factors to consider.

How big is the "flashbulb"

What sort of terrain is between you and ground zero

Airburst (and altitude) or ground burst

Kind of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atomic_Cafe?wprov=sfti1

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It is absolutely possible..... That simply breathing in contaminated air could be deadly after 2-3 min. The flash burning of EVERYTHING can not be reasonably considered.

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mmaalex@reddit

Depends on the size. Immediate blast radius is fairly small (in a relative sense) then there's the part where you get a lethal dose of radiation and die within days, and then there's the fallout of radioactive dust down wind.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

Damn... I can only picture it like a movie and things just feeling like shtf is kicking off and you can feel in your gut that the wheels are about to come off and you have to protect your family but f***k you didn't expect it to happen today!

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Miserable-Contest147@reddit

Canada, nobody is nuking Canada, or Africa!

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djfolo@reddit

If we HAVE to get outta dodge, Canada is my destination. I've already got routes planned avoiding major highways and cities. (Including forest roads / no roads at all if needed) Food, water, currency, fuel calculated.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

the problem with sites like nukemap is that neither we nor our adversaries will launch a single warhead at an intended target.

No negative vibes were all going to survive were working it out right now you do want to survive with us right? I came to a prepper reddit bc I know ppl here want to live

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real_psymansays@reddit

Sorry buddy. Hug your peeps

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harbourhunter@reddit

12 miles for a 1mt, assuming you can get/stay inside for a few days while the fallout decays

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

Thank you!

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Rick-burp-Sanchez@reddit

Anyone else notice the uptick in noobs here since Trump's almost assassination?

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Key-Candle8141@reddit (OP)

I'm not a noob I'm a tourist there's a difference 😆

But rly I've been thinking about this for awhile and I want to live so many genz are depressed or anxious or whatever but I feel like I've shed all that and I want to be alive and get married and have kids something just kinda clicked over in me and I think me and my bf could survive

So I'm just curious about these things but I'll probably wander off in a day or 2😅

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less_butter@reddit

There have always been people posting stuff like "I feel like something really bad is about to happen". Like even before the internet, in the BBS days. There will always be people who read too much into what's going on in the world and start to get anxious that WWIII is going to start any second. And they're almost always wrong and the solution to their worries is to stop doom-scrolling.

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HazMatsMan@reddit

There's an uptick anytime a high-profile event occurs.

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Rick-burp-Sanchez@reddit

fair eough

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SunsetApostate@reddit

As others have mentioned, it’s complicated. The yield of the warhead, the altitude of the explosion, the layout of the terrain, and your location (outside, inside, below ground) all determine your likelihood of surviving. I’ve played around with NukeMap alot - with the highest yield warheads used by China (5 Mt), you have very high survival odds >30 km away, and you have very low survival odds <5 km away. If you want good survival odds, get underground, and try to move away from any power plants, factories, military bases, critical infrastructure, and urban centers.

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MrBrawn@reddit

Depends on the facility and the wind.