People who have simply ignored a major medical bill, what has actually happened?
Posted by Still_File_8160@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 201 comments
I've seen that medical debt can affect your credit and possibly lead to legal action/lawsuits. But I also hear about Americans who have thousands in medical debt they've simply ignored for years and never faced any consequences. Has anyone actually been in this situation and what happened?
anonguy2033@reddit
Had knee surgery. Bunch of bullshit the hospital pulled trying to say I owed $6k or something despite my insurance saying it was in network and $1500 out of pocket- and this was AFTER I payed the dr $3500.
Told the hospital to figure it out with the insurance- it was their contract and I wasn’t getting screwed with fine print
Yeah it went to collections and they threatened to garnish my wages until they found out I was self employed. After a few years it got wiped from my credit
pjdance@reddit
Sometimes being self-employed has it's benefits.
HowLittleIKnow@reddit
I was having some apnea problems, so I went to a sleep clinic, where they gave me a monitor and sent me home for the night. The next day, I brought it back. Two weeks later, I got a letter confirming that I have apnea, and a bill for $1,200. I was so enraged at the cost, which they never warned me about, that I refused to pay it even though I technically could afford it. I told them I'd pay it if they showed me any kind of documentation in which I specifically agreed to pay $1,200 or agreed to pay an indefinite amount. "What stops you from charging me $6,000? Or $60,000?" I argued. They explained that it doesn't work that way, which of course I know, but I refused anyway.
It's been six years. I know it's gone to a collections agency because I still get calls and letters occasionally. It has never shown up on my credit report, and I'm not sure why it hasn't.
pjdance@reddit
I was told once if you get into some medical related emergency like an accident and the take you in an ambulance. When they try to charge for it say you did not authorize that ride and were in head space to consent to it being medically incapacitated. Everybody is try not to pay somebody to play the same game and pass it on.
everyoneisflawed@reddit
I was sued by a collection agency. I still couldn't afford to pay it. They reached right into my bank account and took it. It was a nightmare. I couldn't pay my important bills for a while.
Being poor is expensive.
pjdance@reddit
Something tells that should be illegal for them to just break into your bank account.
SpiderWeb16@reddit
My mom had a lot of medical debts (one that was 40k) before she got insurance, absolutely nothing happened, she got a few calls and letters, that was it, didn't even show up on credit report or affect her high credit score.
AmbulanceChaser12@reddit
Not the debtor, but I represent debtors. If they come to me, it means they're getting sued for it.
kyliekayru@reddit
I had an old medical bill from an emergency surgery. It was the only bit insurance wouldn't cover, so I ignored it for the 7 or so years for it to drop off my credit. I used to get debt collection calls, but after a few years, they stopped calling.
timothythefirst@reddit
It got sent to collections and hurt my credit score and eventually I just ended up paying some random law firm way less than the bill originally was.
Ghic_Chic@reddit
For almost a decade, although on paper I made a decent wage, my wages were garnished due to medical bills (my children's dental and medical) PLUS education (technical school). I had to take out payday loans just to pay rent and buy groceries. This was in Oregon. I should have been living well, but instead was scared where our next meal was coming from.
Technically I made too much for assistance, but I brought home too little to afford the basics. Btw, my son has quadriplegia cerebral palsy w/epilepsy. Luckily they had Shriners and Doernbecher's that were able to help with his constant surgeries and equipment needs although there were long waiting periods but of course couldn't help when I ran out of PTO, family leave, etc. It was a nightmare.
I wound up having to leave a decent job that should have had great benefits so I could be his full time care provider (making barely anything so he could be on SSI) in him aging out of that system years because no one would show up consistently so I could work outside of home. Rarely would a care provider show up more than three times in a row. The pay is crap here (now Texas), so most people quit almost immediately- with my son, all they had to do was just sit with him, I did all the feeding and changing, bathing, housework, etc. He would play video games and amuse himself, I made sure to make it as easy for them as possible.
ibugppl@reddit
I'm broke and don't own anything except my 1500$ car. I just ignore the notices and so far nothing has happened except letters every month or so that go straight into the trash.
panda3096@reddit
The worst case scenario besides going to court or wage garnishment is that it just never goes away. They can harass you for years and if a statute of limitations is coming up, they can sell it or use some other backdoor methods to restart the time clock and now a new company harasses you.
If you have a decent spam block on your phone like Google Voice you will hardly notice it. If you refuse to ever identify yourself before the other person on the phone does, you're pretty good too as they legally aren't supposed to identify themselves and debt collectors until they verify they're talking to the person who owes. It's a fun game of "is this X?" "May I ask who's calling?" "I can only talk to X" "well I'm not telling you if I'm X until I know who's calling" and then eventually someone hangs up.
Some medical debt is currently not counted in credit scores but it's a somewhat limited scope. Paid in full balances are supposed to drop off immediately (at the next refresh). It has to be with the collections company (not including the time at the medical office) for a year before it's reported. Balances over $500 count (which doesn't count in "major" territory for me since I'm usually a couple grand in the hole for medical shit). It drops off after 7 years if it's not backdoor refreshed as mentioned above. And if you use Care Credit and go delinquent on that? It follows regular credit card rules and will count against you in all the traditional ways.
New proposed regulations aim to keep medical debt off credit scores entirely so that worry would be removed, but given the current state of things I would absolutely not count on it. And there's still the other issues. I just love living here
ibugppl@reddit
Ah so I'm not the only one who plays the phone game 😹 yeah I never identify myself on the phone until I find out who it is. I never answer unknown numbers. I'm very on guard this week because my father passed recently so I'm getting all kinds of legit but unknown callers.
Ellavemia@reddit
Someone I know ignored a debt of around $20k that occurred from an emergency kidney stone surgical removal. It eventually went to collections, which eventually sold the debt to a law firm that decided to pursue it. They agreed to make payments and did so until they couldn't, bringing the debt down to about $16k. The law firm eventually took it to court. The person fought the case the only way possible, which was by demanding debt validation, which the law firm was able to provide. The court ruled in favor of wage garnishment, but the person wasn't employed at the time. A couple of years later, the law firm again brought it up in the open case after the payments stopped. The court filed a certificate of judgement for a lien on their house. That was less than five years ago, so I assume it will be brought up again in court before that time runs out.
MoonieNine@reddit
Yeah, this. There's an awful lot of people on here saying they just didn't pay and got no repercussions. But I'm guessing they don't have a house or make much money in the first place. I would never want to risk losing my home.
iswearimalady@reddit
Yeah, I got sued last September for a medical bill that was only $1200. Idk how all these people are getting away with not paying 20k+ worth of bills
ibugppl@reddit
Can't sue me if I don't actually have anything 😅
Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit
Most places they can't actually take your home if you live in it but they can put a lien which makes it harder to sell and they get a portion of it when you do sell it.
pirawalla22@reddit
Thank god that poor firm had the fortitude and perseverance to pursue that rotten scofflaw to the fullest extent of the law. It just makes me sick that people do stuff like that. Forward-slash ess.
Levelbasegaming@reddit
I am sure that law firm is hardly making ends meet this day and age.
scarlettohara1936@reddit
Haha! I hate when my speech to text puts the words instead of the symbols that I've asked it to!
creamer143@reddit
Not even a major bill. I had a $25 bill for lab work that I forgot about. Got a letter from a collections agency. They really wanted that $25, lol
link2edition@reddit
They came after me for $3 one time and its still the funniest letter I ever got
evil_burrito@reddit
The rest of us paid it.
slow-swimmer@reddit
This. Agree with it or not, the hospital still has people to pay, facilities to upkeep, and tech to pay off. Refusing to pay just forces that bill on the taxpayer, making me pay for your medical bill
nutella_on_rye@reddit
Your attitude is why any form of a social safety net will be an uphill battle here. It’s giving leech.
Super-Diver-1266@reddit
Imagine Caping for Hospitals.
Melbonie@reddit
or literally any part of this exquisitely broken system that we all just keep shoveling money into without any sign that anything will ever do anything but continue to get worse.
The propaganda machine is terrifyingly effective, isn't it?
mr_john_steed@reddit
Everyone always pays for everyone else's care. That's also how insurance works.
everyoneisflawed@reddit
It's funny that you think people are just refusing to pay, not that we don't have money to pay.
Still_File_8160@reddit (OP)
I meant more like people who literally didn't have the money and just didn't pay it, not people who could pay and refuse to
Congregator@reddit
Not a medical bill, but a buddy of mine did this for a guitar amplifier he purchased for about $600 with a credit card.
The card company served him a writ of summons, and he had to attend a court date but he lucked out because the loan collector was out of the statute of limitations
La_Rata_de_Pizza@reddit
These men in tracksuits came to my house, beat me up, and stole my gabagool
Ahpla@reddit
Had a bill 17 years ago. Got lots of phone calls, letters, and threats. I ignored it all, tanked my credit score, but that was it. I’ve never had any real consequences from not paying it.
SoCal4247@reddit
How much?
Ahpla@reddit
I believe it was around $11k.
ground__contro1@reddit
If you needed your credit score for an apartment, mortgage, or car purchase, those could have been some real consequences. Either rejected out of hand or paying more significantly interest for the loan over time.
Ahpla@reddit
Home and vehicle are both owned outright. Any new vehicle is bought with cash. I’d probably have an issue getting a credit card without an insanely high rate but I’ve never put anything on credit so not worried about it. The original medical debt fell off years ago.
ground__contro1@reddit
Well that’s great for people who have those benefits but I wouldn’t go around implying that consequences for others are unlikely.
Ahpla@reddit
All I did was answer a question.
ground__contro1@reddit
My bad I got mixed up, thought I was still on an advice subreddit, didn’t realize I was back at r/askanamerican. Was thinking in the wrong context when I replied.
If_I_must@reddit
I tried to track down an old medical bill from 2001 not that long ago. There's no longer a record of it anywhere.
ground__contro1@reddit
My medical bills had been sold and resold so much it was almost impossible for me to track down who owed my debt. When I did, several of the companies (the debt was split into many different accounts) couldn’t find the required documentation to prove they owned the debt. Which means they can’t make you pay it 🤷♀️ ULPT: request documentation for every delinquent debt on your credit report and if they don’t send you the documentation within (i think) 30 days, the debt can be discharged.
Innuendo64_@reddit
Whoever you owed it to probably have up. A lot of bill collectors have a "statute of limitations" to unpaid bills. I used to work for a healthcare provider in the finance department and any unpaid bills that we or a 3rd party collections agency couldn't make contact with the client on got written off as bad debt after 5 years, no matter the amount. Small amounts would get written off a year or 2.
Here's the thing - for us, simply answering a phone call would reset that clock, and that's why you should never answer the phone from numbers you don't recognize
If_I_must@reddit
Yeah, I'm aware. It was just surreal to have to try to track it down now and have it just... not exist.
Innuendo64_@reddit
In your case it could have also been a record that was lost to the ether at some point or whoever holding it deleting or archiving records after so many years
If_I_must@reddit
Also possible
macaroni66@reddit
Same
HeyRainy@reddit
Same here. I had a 31k bill after having a baby. It was 2007, economy tanked, got laid off and just had to ignore the bill. I just got a bunch of mail I never opened and eventually it fell off my credit report.
AgentCC@reddit
Same here.
I was making payments until I lost my job. That’s when the phone calls started. I told them that I couldn’t pay because I didn’t have an income. The calls continued for a few more weeks and that was that.
That was about 15 years ago. I never bought anything on credit, so I didn’t even notice if it tanked my credit score or not.
captain_nofun@reddit
Yep, 15 years of medical bills. I've never paid any. I get phone calls from time to time but I just ignore it. No threats, not really anything.
Obvious-Dinner-5695@reddit
I didn't have money.
letsloveoneanother@reddit
About 5 years ago I broke a bone in my wrist had to have surgery and after multiple doctors appointments and the surgery it ended up being like 15,000. I never paid a cent they call me from time to time but they can't validate the debt cuz I never tell them who is on the other end of the line and in a couple of years it'll be gone. If you have medical debt you don't pay the hospital they will sell your hospital debt to a debt collector The debt collector's job is to validate the information that they were sold if you never validate it they can never come after you cuz they don't know where you are. Got a call from an unknown number? Are they asking for you? Don't tell them it's you! Also I had insurance through my job and then the state both of them let me down didn't cover what they said they were going to cover so I figured f*** it not my problem.
ResponseNo6375@reddit
I gave them $10 per month until they stopped asking, never affected my credit 🤷🏻♂️
surprise_b1tch@reddit
Nothing. Fucked up my credit for 7 years or so and then vanished.
Kourtney95@reddit
It got sent to collections, and I got many phone calls from the debt collectors. After a while, they just left me alone. I would have paid my bill if I could’ve, but I legitimately had no money at the time 😅 I was living off government benefits and didn’t even get enough to pay for gas in my car and other basic living expenses. Lived with my family because I couldn’t afford rent anywhere. If I ever have another bill like that, I’ll set up a payment plan before it goes to collections. But really, nothing happened. They didn’t go down the legal route or anything like that thankfully
RebuiltGearbox@reddit
In 2007, I went through a 21 day coma and spent 24 days in intensive care, the insurance I had been paying for years dropped my coverage on day 7 while I was unconscious and I was left with over half a million dollars in hospital bills. I was recovering from head trauma and could barely think but I went to a few bankruptcy lawyers and got turned down because I couldn't make the payments they wanted because I couldn't work anymore, so I was too bankrupt to declare bankruptcy, the hospital demanded full payment, so collections got a court order and cleared out my bank account. The only option I saw open was to ignore the bills. I got countless phone calls and letters from collection agencies for a couple of years and then gradually, the calls got less and less until, after several years, they stopped. I haven't checked it in years but my credit is probably screwed for good.
stewmberto@reddit
I would be going after some kneecaps
RebuiltGearbox@reddit
Private insurance companies are sooo evil.
Different_Mud_1283@reddit
Well, fortunately we are clearly headed in the right direction on that one.
jk
jst4wrk7617@reddit
A similar situation (losing insurance while unconscious in the hospital) almost happened to a friend and former coworker of mine. I was actually handling some of the health insurance stuff for payroll, and I confronted these people. How in the world can someone be paying for insurance, have a medical event while covered, then lose their health insurance while they are hospitalized for said medical event unable to work (which pays the premium since it comes right out of your paycheck). I already loathed insurance companies, but damn that whole experience really solidified my view that insurance is a fucking scam. It should not be legal, you were covered when you had the medical event. The medical event incapacitated you, so you lose your insurance and get stuck with a bunch of hospital bills. Should. Not. Be. Legal.
nvkylebrown@reddit
Credit isn't screwed "for good". Everything drops off eventually.
MattieShoes@reddit
Head on over to creditkarma -- you can check for free. There's a long timeline on some of this stuff, but it may have disappeared by now.
kogeliz@reddit
Had kidney stone followed by kidney stone surgery. Had about 6 different providers (ER, urologist, radiology, surgeon, anesthesiologist, labs, etc) that all wanted minimum or full payments due. Total of about $45000. I was making $13/hr with no health insurance at the time. I was sued by two providers and then I decided to claim bankruptcy.
RelativelyRidiculous@reddit
It depends on the state and who you owe.
I work for a company with several locations in states where it is legal to garnish wages for any bill, including medical bills. In one of those states [Oklahoma] the local hospital will send a bill about sixty days after service and a lawsuit is filed around 120 days after service approximately. We have multiple employees in that state having the maximum garnished which is 25% after taxes and social security have been deducted. So in other words once we are ready to cut them a check, we have to send 1/4 of it to the hospital's collection agent instead.
Texas specifically states in their constitution you can only garnish wages for specific types of debts and medical debt is not one of them. However there are certain other things they can do to collect. Usually they won't because it costs money for the court cases, and then you have to try to collect.
Either way it tanks your credit, often for longer than it should. There is a federal law a debt can only tank your credit for 7 years. However, what will happen is at that point they'll sell the debt to a collection agent who then reports it for 7 more years as a new debt. If you report it to the credit agency they'll take it off but there is no punishment of any kind for the collections company.
Dragonman1976@reddit
Credit score bottomed out, phone rang at all hours, got sued, got garnished, they threatened to take our car and the shitty trailer we had too.
We filed for bankruptcy, and it took 11 years for the bankruptcy to finally fall off our credit score.
The good thing is that after 15 years, both my wife and I have a credit score of almost 800, and we own a very nice house on a quarter acre of land in a good neighborhood on the upper east side.
Curmudgy@reddit
Tangent alert: Are there really quarter acre lots on the UES of NYC? I’m just not that familiar with that area. My only friends and relatives from Manhattan lived on the UWS, and I’m used to thinking of that area as solid upper and middle class apartments.
Dragonman1976@reddit
I live on the west coast.
Curmudgy@reddit
Where else is the phrase “upper east side” used?
Dragonman1976@reddit
On the other coast.
stewmberto@reddit
Seriously lmao I'm like what NYC is this dude living in
Still_File_8160@reddit (OP)
Can they actually take your property such as your car and home for medical debt? That is insane. Glad you and your wife figured it out.
Dragonman1976@reddit
So they can't take your home or domicile if it's where you live, but they can put a lien on it. They can take vehicles, but they must leave you one- which they can also put a lien on.
We're glad we got past it.
The medical debt was because I have bad kidneys and ended up in the hospital for several days a few times. I couldn't afford insurance.
toTheNewLife@reddit
Some states allow for a forclosure on a home to satisfy debt. I think they are called homesteading states. NJ is one such state.
My sister f*ked me out of about 100K of estate money - she just happened to live in NJ.
Had a coversation with a lawyer in Trenton who told me it would be easy to forclose on her house assuming I got an estate juegement.
Well, through some nasty legal wranging I never did get that judgement. Had I got it, all was set up to immediately get her out of her house if she didn't give me what i was entitled to.
Still_File_8160@reddit (OP)
Interesting. Sorry for the dumb question but what exactly happens when they put a lien on it?
Crazy that something totally out of your control like your kidneys failing can lead to such hardship.
Dragonman1976@reddit
If there's a lien on property, the money from the sale goes to pay the debt that caused the lien first, and whatever's left, if anything, you can keep.
Sometimes, you can't sell the property without getting the lien removed.
MarcusAurelius0@reddit
My man, hospitals have been writing off medical debt or offering payment plans/reduced costs for decades. All you gotta do is prove you're broke lol.
Dragonman1976@reddit
It depends on when. If it's near the end of the year, a write off doesn't always happen.
I was $104,000 in debt for medical bills, so the payment plans they offered were always more than I could afford.
What happened to me happens to thousands if not millions of Americans every year.
Almost 85 percent of all bankruptcies in America are due to medical bills.
MarcusAurelius0@reddit
There's a reason insurance has an out of pocket maximum. Even bad insurance I've never seen the OPM higher than 14k dollars, and again, these days if you prove you can't pay they will significantly cut the cost. I paid back child birth expenses over a 2 year period, they would have allowed for 5 years.
Is our Healthcare situation great, no. But you're a product of sticking your head in the sand, declaring bankruptcy, and you're doing well now. Lmao
ProperRoom5814@reddit
My OOP Max was 18000 at my last job lol
Dragonman1976@reddit
I couldn't AFFORD insurance. I thought I mentioned that.
MarcusAurelius0@reddit
You did not.
Dragonman1976@reddit
Well then I apologize.
No, I couldn't afford insurance at the time.
It happens all the time. You make too much to qualify for whatever state insurance your state has, but too little to get insurance on the private market.
tangledbysnow@reddit
My father filed bankruptcy twice, both times because of medical bills. Which didn’t matter in the long run because he died so broke I paid for his cremation (he had COPD and caught COVID). We need universal healthcare.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
Did collections attempt to shake you down after he passed?
BiclopsBobby@reddit
You’d have to be pretty stupid to fall for that.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
I hear they usually try it anyways.
hivemind_MVGC@reddit
They tried hard with my MIL after my FIL died. :(
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
I'd call them buzzards, were it not for buzzards being a vital part of the ecosystem.
PikaPonderosa@reddit
Or you know, they are predators preying on a vulnerable person who just lost someone. Grief can really mess up a person's decision making.
tangledbysnow@reddit
Nope. Nothing. Only died 2 years ago though so still waiting to see if anyone attempts anything.
gugudan@reddit
Misleading stat.
Most aren't due to medical bills. Most are due to job loss or divorce. The stat people like to repeat is actually most bankruptcies include medical bills. If I owe two million dollars after a divorce and $1 to the local doctor when I file bankruptcy, that's considered a "medical bankruptcy" despite the medical debt not being the breaking factor.
matahari3274@reddit
One good thing is that your credit score is no longer affected by medical debt. But yeah, our healthcare system is complete trash.
sleepyboi08@reddit
This comment genuinely made me sad. The last thing anyone deserves after a medical emergency is to get sued and get threats of having their assets taken. I’m glad you’re doing better now.
Nkechinyerembi@reddit
Honestly my experience as well. Glad you are doing better.
blitzzo@reddit
I still owe some MRI/CAT scan place like $10,000 mostly due to an insurance error on their part, at first I tried calling and mailing letters so they could bill the right insurance but after 3 months I said screw it these people are incompetent. Every 6 months or so I get a letter from some bill collector saying I owe money and to pay blah blah blah. It's been like that for 5 years now, absolutely nothing happens they don't even call me which is great.
Tommy_Wisseau_burner@reddit
If you suspect it’s an insurance error call them to check the claim with the hospital and/or your insurance company. Happened to me because I had 2 insurances at the time and the hospital submitted my primary and secondary backwards. The hospital and/or debt collector would fix it and got no more calls after about 1 month. It’s annoying but no more annoying debt collector crap
Burden-of-Society@reddit
So is it just me or is the idea of not paying your bills acceptable to all of you? No, I believe medical care is a right but still, pay your bills dammit!
Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit
I think for a lot of people it's not so much that they won't but that they can't.
If you're living paycheck to paycheck barely making ends meet and you have an emergency and get a bill for $10k, what are you supposed to do? Can't get blood from a stone.
Burden-of-Society@reddit
I get it. But a lot of people here don’t even attempt to call the finance department of the hospital, that’s wrong. You at least need to see if repayment options exist. I understand universal healthcare is what’s needed. But until that becomes workable, don’t strap me with your balance simply because I have good insurance.
Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit
You realize that by paying for insurance you're already "strapped" for other people's healthcare, right?
I think you're looking at the issue all wrong here. Once again we're mostly talking about people in poverty or close to it. Even if they set up a plan paying $60 a month on a $60000 bill is it really making a big difference?
Burden-of-Society@reddit
There’s lots of ways to look at this. Is $60.00 a make or break payment with respect to insurance or homelessness? No, in either case, to me it’s more a morality issue that I have a debt that must be paid, ignoring it is not the right answer.
SJSsarah@reddit
It depends on the state and how the bill was issued/with what previous financial agreements. If you use something like CareCredit to agree to payment first before services, then it’s tied to your credit. If you used insurance with the bills allocated after services rendered, and your state of residence doesn’t count medical debt against your credit….then nothing will happen. It will drop off after 8-11 years. I frequently ignore my medical bills. Without consequence. Obviously taking into order certain practices or forms (like LabCorp or Quest Diagnostics) that I will use frequently… those bills I do pay.
Sithyonreddit@reddit
Literally nothing. I’ve had bills just in the couple thousands but they went to collections. My credit score used to be 824.
Strong-Piccolo-5546@reddit
I Had a $5 bill medical bill I forgot about sent to collections. tanked my credit for years. I went to buy a car about 10 years later. One of my credit reports had a really low score, but did not say why. No details. I saw some news reports that sometimes your credit will be low and they won't tell you why. I switched to another credit report agency and got the car loan with perfect credit.
i paid the $5 bill as soon as i got the collections notice. i had forgotten all about it.
SquashDue502@reddit
I have regular ultrasounds on my heart and one time the bill was an extra $5,000 than usual which was absurd and the hospital refused to tell me what the extra charge was for. So we just didn’t pay it. Lost some points on my credit score but eventually they gave up and just took the charge down to what it usually was. Hospitals are absolutely disgusting in the amount of shit they’ll throw in that they KNOW insurance won’t pay for. Ask for an itemized bill or do not pay. Likely it’s some bullshit fee
Revenge-of-the-Jawa@reddit
I had a $300 medical bill from the doctor’s office not properly billing my insurance and likely breaking a law about surprise billing policies in not disclosing they outsourced medical equipment.
They played hot potato with me for weeks and refused to tell me who I so was supposed to contact to get it billed correctly. Eventually they revealed it was a third party and that company was 1000+ miles away and their customer service was even in the US.
That company was unreachable and the one time I got a person they barely spoke English and they hung up on me.
It was bad enough I thought it was a scam, especially after getting a redirected and old bill with my name but half a missing address, my name misspelled in edition to more misspelled words inside.
Not long after I got sent to an aggressive debt collector.
All for a piece of equipment that was covered by my insurance and terrible/a black hole of customer service.
earthspirit1147@reddit
I had a bunch from my early 20s. I didn't care about my credit back then. It tanked. Once I turned 30 I started getting more serious about my credit. I joined credit karma and they had a tool on there to dispute everything on my credit report, so I did that. Over half the stuff disappeared that way. The creditors had like 90 days to prove I owed or it was removed. The rest I let sit and eventually after like 7 or 8 years, they just fell off and I never heard about them again. I am now in my late 30s, bought my own house on my own and my fico score is 805!
Blu64@reddit
I had a medium sized med bill in 2013 when an office refused to wait for the accident settlement. I refused to pay it. It was on my credit report for 7 years and then just dropped off. No other consequences.
notreallylucy@reddit
A friend had like $100k in bills due to being uninsured and having a medical emergency. She spoke to an attorney, who advised her to not pay any of it. It eventually fell off her credit report.
I had a $400 bill from a car accident. I got an auto insurance settlement that would cover it, but there was some kind of specific documentation they needed to provide to the insurance. The hospital wouldn't provide it for some reason. When I called they'd either refuse or claim they couldn't locate the bill. They were glad to send me bills and put it on my credit report, but they wouldn't help me get it paid.
Finally, they passed the law that health debt can't go on your credit report, and I dissappeared. I haven't heard anything about it in ages.
PinchMaNips@reddit
I have, twice. Both times I had no insurance, both bill’s multiple thousands of dollars…never paid. I received a few letters telling me what I owed, never paid. Nothing ever happened after that.
I’m not sure if it depends on state or what if it goes on your credit report, but I’m sure bigger bills than mine they are more inclined to try and get.
Dragonman1976@reddit
It'll come back to haunt you eventually. It always does.
BiclopsBobby@reddit
Until it falls off your credit report in 7 years.
Dragonman1976@reddit
It's actually 11.
It's supposed to drop after 10, but sometimes it still shows for an additional year.
BiclopsBobby@reddit
What’s your source that accounts in collection drop off in 10/11 years and not 7?
Dragonman1976@reddit
A bankruptcy stays for 11 years.
Without filing bankruptcy, an account in collection can't go after you, and will not show on a soft credit pull, but will absolutely show up on a hard pull- like when you go to buy a house.
We might have gotten our wires crossed on communication here. I probably mixed it up with another response on the post.
DeathToTheFalseGods@reddit
Yep. No one said anything about bankruptcy.
BiclopsBobby@reddit
Right, I see, the OP wasn’t talking about bankruptcies but just outstanding debt in general, which I was assuming was in collections.
timeywimeytotoro@reddit
It was 5 for me
qu33nof5pad35@reddit
Before I had insurance, the hospital charged me 2k to pop a blister on my stomach from second degree burns. I never paid it and nothing ever happened.
butt_honcho@reddit
I'm ignoring one right now - I'd love to pay it, but I simply can't. So far my credit score has only gone up. *shrug*
National_Work_7167@reddit
I paid them 20 bucks and they stopped calling. My bill was for 14,000 for a one night stay and follow up group therapy
CrimeFan365@reddit
We didn’t ignore it but in 2009 when i was 16 i broke my tibia and femur in a car crash and had to have surgery and months of physical therapy my parents had good insurance and paid for most of it but still left us with 25K because of the physical therapy my dad negotiated down to make $50 per month for the next 25 years we learned recently the hospital used as a tax write off so no more debt.
nvkylebrown@reddit
Insurance complexity is part of the problem. The provider bills you for the whole amount with the disclaimer that insurance hasn't paid yet. The provider sends a bill to insurance, insurance decides they'll pay for this but not that and reorders the bill accordingly, paying their part. The provider then ignores the insurance and bills you for the remainder regardless of contractual obligations. You might actually legitimately owe that, or you might not.
And if you have Medicare in addition to private insurance, you go through 2 stages of insurance recategorizing the bill and paying for things. And they'll blame each other for who covers what as well, so that's fun.
None of the numbers ever match, and it's essentially impossible to figure out. So... i expect there are dutiful people who send a check whenever they're asked, and cynical people that assume it's all made up double billing.
I've definitely ignored bills when I thought the provider was overbilling. Nothing ever comes of it.
Melbonie@reddit
Not crazy big money, I had a couple thousand in medical bills go to collection some years ago; other than a few letters and phone calls, nothing ever happened. I did eventually crawl out of the hole my life was in and tried to make it right, but there weren't any unpaid balances on my account at the hospital I had owed by that point. I keep up on my credit reports and those bills have never been on there, but I'm in Massachusetts and medical debt can't be counted against your credit here. I don't expect that's the case in many states. Especially those states where a troubling percentage of people tend not to have health insurance at all.
On the other hand, my best friend lived in shithole South Carolina and developed colon cancer at 45. She didn't have insurance because she was getting too sick to work more than a couple shifts a week anymore but wasn't quite poor enough to be eligible for (unexpanded) medicaid until things started to get bad and she couldn't work at all. Then she wasn't "sick enough" to expedite (again, unexpanded) medicaid until a couple of days before she died. Of course she couldn't and didn't pay, so they tried to go after her younger brother looking for any "estate" passed to him to cover the many tens of thousands owed. Womp womp, her "estate" consisted of $317 in savings, a 99 Pontiac Bonneville and a couple of sewing machines.
So... I'd say it's a mixed bag.
SnowOverRain@reddit
My debt was sold to a creditor who sued me and took me to court. I didn't show up and lost by default. The creditor was authorized to withdraw the amount from my checking account. They randomly drain it a few times a year.
Should have just done the (very expensive) payment plan instead.
Kencleanairsystem2@reddit
I was unemployed with no health insurance which I made abundantly clear from the ambulance to the emergency room and all during my hospital stay. I got a bill for $80,000 and wrote back to the hospital saying I can’t pay this. I sent a check for, I think, $50 as that was all I had at the time. I received one more letter demanding payment which I ignored. That was 19 years ago. Haven’t heard anything about it since. There is a federal law that you can’t be turned away during an emergency, which this was, so I think that’s what happened with me. I mean I had my own private room at the hospital for 5 nights!! I think the hospital used it as a tax write off or something.
CaedustheBaedus@reddit
I wonder if emergency needs to be more precise. I had a seizure (I'm an epileptic) literally IN my apartment building. But it wasn't in my apartment so someone else saw it happen and called 911. Now, not sure how much anyone knows about seizures, but when you awake you're in what's called a post-ictal state where you're basically...groggy as fuck, kind of drunk.
So I wake up from my seizure and don't remember the first 2-3 minutes of consciousness, but eventually I "come to" and am talking to the paramedics in the lobby. I'm telling them and asking them to just let me get into my apartment so I can sleep it off but I'm also not sure what my job is (they try to ask questions to determine brain damage and stuff). I knew my apartment number, my name, birthday, family names, etc but again you're crazy fucking groggy post seizure. This happens even if I have a seizure in my own apartment. I'll sometimes wake up from my post seizure nap and be like "Oh...I'm in different clothes than what I was wearing this morning" and realize that in the few minutes after my seizure to my 'consiciousness' moment I must have changed clothes.
Anyways, they almost FORCED me to go to the hospital with them. I got a 3K bill for them literally just hooking me up to a saline drip in the ambulance and hospital and giving me a pill bottle of about 5 pills to take (that was literally my prescribed medication up in my apartment). 3,000 dollars for them to hydrate me and give me the medicine I already owned. I literally walked back to my apartment building a few hours later becuase I was so close to it.
So I think emergency is kind of a catch all term that might need to be specified or at least allow ME to turn them away if they consider it an emergency. But obviously that opens up all sorts of liablity issues I'm sure
batteryforlife@reddit
Would a medical bracelet explaining your condition help in this kind of scenario?
CaedustheBaedus@reddit
You'd have thought considering I was wearing one but NOOOOOOOOO these paramedics were acting like they got commission off my hospital bill or something. Nothing againt paramedics, most I've had have been fantastic
batteryforlife@reddit
Oh damn!
BM7-D7-GM7-Bb7-EbM7@reddit
That's an interesting one. You know what happened, it's a part of your life, how can they force you to go when it's normal, it's not like it was the first time? No one can force you to do anything except maybe a law enforcement officer when you're under arrest / detained? Have you ever looked up the laws on this?
A lot of ambulance services are for profit now, as in the city no longer provides the service they contract it out to for profit businesses. These for profit businesses pay the medics comically low wages for the job (think like $10-15 hour) and benefits and then charge thousands of dollars for the ride.... it's not a good thing.
Ananvil@reddit
They can force you if they can't determine that you have capacity to understand and make medical decisions for yourself, and during the post ictal phase, that can be touch and go. In the medical side we don't know your history, we don't know if you're on blood thinners and seized, fell, and smashed your head off the sink.
If we let you go and something bad happens we open ourselves up to substantial liability, especially if the injury is major.
let-it-rain-sunshine@reddit
Or some charity picked up the tab. 80k for 5 nights is way to pricey.
kippersforbreakfast@reddit
I was billed $39K for 36 hours in a regular room and $66K for 24 hours in the ICU.
let-it-rain-sunshine@reddit
Wake up with salt in your wounds? Robbery.
LSDTHCShrooms@reddit
I've been told while inpatient from doctors that medical bills absolutely do not affect your credit...
TackYouCack@reddit
I just settled with an actual real life law firm, not a collection agency, for an ambulance bill from two years ago that was sent to the wrong insurance. I was being sued over $800. The lawyers would not discuss anything with my correct insurance, and hardlined everything.
Still waiting on that reimbursement check from my insurance.
Any day now.
Sure.
jgeoghegan89@reddit
You get a lot of calls from debt collectors
The_Bastard_Henry@reddit
So far nothing. Had a breakdown in early 2021 that ended with me spending nearly 2 weeks in a home for the bewildered. It also ended with me getting FOUR separate bills from four different medical providers, totaling about $9,000. I just ignored them, because I will never have that kind of money, and where I live even if they get a judgment against me, you can't take money out of someone's bank account if their bank balance is below a certain amount. I literally never have even close to that much money in my bank account, so it would be a judgment they could never collect.
PleasedPeas@reddit
Wait 7 years and it “magically” disappears.
mibonitaconejito@reddit
Biden just recently got it passed so that medical bulls can no longer be reported to your credit.
In America you're worth nothing if you don't have good credit. You become the maimed fish that gets attacked by predatory sharks. All while Republicans scream 'bOoTsTrApS!'
Sinaenuna@reddit
Sued by the hospital. Twice. Dropped my credit score.
That's it. No other issues.
CoherentBusyDucks@reddit
I had one in 2012, I think it was. I don’t even remember how much it was, but I know I couldn’t pay it. I completely ignored it. Didn’t call the hospital, didn’t call insurance, nothing. It literally just never came up again. It never showed up on my credit, I never received another bill, etc. I have no idea why. I think I just got extremely lucky somehow or something. I held my breath for a long time, waiting to be screwed over by it, but it never came back. I never questioned it. Someone was looking out for me.
blackhawk905@reddit
Years ago my brother cut himself bad when we were working with some family and they paid for his stitches and medicine and stuff from urgent care and they said we were good, everything paid for, they called me a few days later saying I had more to pay and I told them to fuck off and nothing happened, if they sent it to collection and they called me I probably didn't answer since it shows as spam or hung up if it was a spam sounding call
RedditSkippy@reddit
No direct experience, but the woman who had my cellphone number before me must have lost it for non payment. When I first got the number 13-14 years ago, I got dozens of calls from collections agencies. That went away after a few months. Then every year or so I’d get a call or two. Then they stopped many years ago.
Just this year I got a call. The caller ID usually says “Debt Services” or something like that and I know whom they want, so I always pick up the phone to tell them they have the wrong person (if I don’t, they just keep calling.)
pirawalla22@reddit
I am about 18 months in to ignoring a $10,000 surprise bill I received after my insurance company decided, after the fact, that it wasn't responsible to pay for a prescription I had ordered about a year prior. I initially tried to figure it out, spent hours on the phone with people from the insurance company, a second insurance company, and the pharmacy. Eventually I decided I wasn't going to waste my own time anymore and I've been ignoring it for more than a year. I have no idea what the current status of this dispute is. I am absolutely not going to pay it and if I start getting demand letters again, I will absolutely go to court over it.
RunsWithSporks@reddit
When I was growing up we were very poor. I wanted to play football but we didn't have health insurance so I got the awful option through the school.
My senior year I ended up tearing my meniscus, and I need an ambulance to the ER from the game. Had orthoscopic surgery and healed up in a couple of months in time for the end of the season.
10 years later we are buying our first home and I get a pull on my credit, and we see a bill that was never paid from years ago in my name. Tracked it down because it was negatively affecting my score, turns out the ambulance ride was never paid for(like $400 something dollars). Told them I'll settle it for $100 right now over the phone and that was that.
Crimsonfangknight@reddit
Nothing happened. The hospital sold it to a bill collector who called a few times and gave up. Never went on my credit report or anything
ChocolatePain@reddit
I took an ambulance while out of state in January and have received a bill for $3k every month. Even though my insurance covers ambulance rides the hospital said they don't bill either my insurance company or companies based out of state?? Even after ignoring it beyond the date it said I had to pay, nothing has happened.
Heavy_Outcome_9573@reddit
I had 63k in emergency room and hospitals bills, never paid. It went to collections and then was sold to another collections, etc. Cut to 12 years later, I found about debt validation. Turns out the debt had been sold so many times that they couldn't validate plus I found their company listed on the BBB site and filed a complaint. Had the debt removed from credit report as well.
gioraffe32@reddit
I had a $1000 bill from the oral surgeon for wisdom teeth extraction. Before I went it and under, I asked them a few times how much I'd have to pay. It was like $600, which was fine. And I kept asking them, "this is it right? It should be nothing else?" And they kept saying, "Yes, this is it, that's all." So I paid them right before the procedure started.
A few weeks later, I got the bill in the mail. I guess part of it was deductible, but another part was them sending some questionable tissue they extracted to a lab (report came back negative). This wasn't part of what they told me they'd do beforehand. Of course, I had already signed something that said I'd be responsible for additional costs incurred. Also, for all I know, they sent it to an unapproved lab.
Anyway, I just ignored it for a bit because I was mad. After by the third bill, they offered for me to pay like $600. So I took the offer.
Given that they knocked $400 off, I might've been able to have them knock off more, but I wasn't in the mood to negotiate.
Aint_it_true@reddit
I went through state system for an emergency about 12 years ago now, and since I was in a part of my life where credit wasn't a factor, (early 20s getting out out of a bad living situation and renting privately) any credit consequences didn't matter. I did get letters, phone calls (changed my number over it) but never did anything. And after 7 years of no contact, it doesn't matter anymore. I think I barely started building my credit by 2017.
MyUsername2459@reddit
I nearly had my house seized by the Kentucky Department of Revenue (i.e. the state tax authority). I had to borrow \~$2,000 from my father to keep my $300,000 house from being seized and sold at auction over a medical debt worth less than 1% of the value of the house.
What happened?
In late 2017, my wife slipped on the stairs and took a tumble. She thought she'd broken her ankle. It was in severe pain. It was late in the evening, and I drove her to the emergency room at the University of Kentucky hospital.
The attending physician also thought it was probably broken, but ran an x-ray to be sure. The x-ray said it wasn't broken, so it was just a severe sprain. The doc gave her prescription ibuprofen, crutches, and instructions to rest, elevate etc.
The problems began when our insurer decided unilaterally they weren't going to cover that emergency room visit, based on the final diagnosis being a sprain. They said that was "abusing" the emergency room and a visit to a primary care physician was the proper response. Of course, there was no way to know it was a sprain without an x-ray and even the attending physician thought it was probably broken.
I was going through the appeals process with the insurance company, which they were always denying the appeals and insisting I'd "abused" the ER by not taking her to a primary care doctor. At the same time, the hospital started to demand about $2000 in payment for the ER visit. I told the hospital I was dealing with the insurance company. The hospital went from dunning letters, to internal collections (that I ignored), to "external" collections as this all wended its way along.
In Kentucky, a State Law lets any state agency set up an agreement for any debt owed to them to be referred to the Kentucky Department of Revenue for collection, where it will be treated as legally the same as delinquent taxes. As the University of Kentucky Hospital is owned and operated by the state, it's legally a "state agency", and they have that agreement.
Sure enough, I got a letter from the tax authority saying that I owe over $2000 in delinquent taxes, and records show I owe a house worth over $300,000. . .so clearly I have assets that can pay this "tax" debt. Thus, unless I pay the $2,000 to the tax authority within 30 days, the house will be seized pursuant to state law due to delinquent taxes and sold at auction to cover the tax debt.
I didn't have $2,000, but my father loaned me the money so we could keep our house from being lost over going to the emergency room for a suspected broken ankle WHEN WE HAD INSURANCE.
This was when I became rather a zealot on supporting universal healthcare.
(as a postscript, the insurance company only did that "we refuse to cover any ER visits if technically it could theoretically have been treated by a primary care doc" was literally a Trump-era rule, they started doing it during his administration, and quit when he left office. . .they did it because the lax enforcement of ACA rules under Trump meant they could do crap like that.)
joshbudde@reddit
What this says to me is 'Kentucky is fucked up internally'. In Michigan we can just annoy people about paying their bill, we can't seize their homes.
Still_File_8160@reddit (OP)
Someone else told me it was illegal to seize a home over medical debt. Is this a state by state thing?
gidgetstitch@reddit
It depends on the state. Some states have laws protecting the house you live in and car you drive for work. Also each state has a statute of limitations on how long you can take a person to court after a debt. In my state it's 4 to six years. But you have to not responding to anything during that time period and hope they don't sue you.
MyUsername2459@reddit
I'm not aware of any law that makes it illegal to seize a house for medical debt. Federal law requires they take other collection actions first, and in practice it is very rare (what they did was an unusually aggressive bill collection, probably because I actually own a house and having a large medical debt while owning a house is fairly uncommon).
Also, legally this wasn't "medical" debt. Under Kentucky State Law, when they referred it for collections it went from being medical debt to being treated the same as any other tax debt. A Federal court might have objected to them recategorizing my debt from "medical debt" to "tax debt" like that as a way to get around any protections around medical debt, but that would have required a long and costly legal battle in the courts.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2023/sep/state-protections-medical-debt-policies-across-us
dumbandconcerned@reddit
Before I left the country for three years, I had a medical bill that I thought insurance had already covered. Apparently they changed their mind or something and I was apparently getting mail from bill collectors to an old address and phone calls to a canceled number and had no idea. I came back home had a horrible time getting an apartment and I was like “wtf??” Apparently my credit was absolute GARBAGE. As someone who never missed any payments and didn’t even have a credit card, I was distraught. I paid it off and my credit has pretty much recovered over the past 3 years, but it made it really hard to get anything in my name without a co-signer.
iAmAmbr@reddit
Got some calls for a few months and that was all
The_Lumox2000@reddit
Got sent to collections. Negotiated a payment plan, nothing happened with my credit score.
PurpleAstronomerr@reddit
Got a $500 bill when I had insurance. Collections guy admitted the hospital didn’t put my insurance information into the system. Said he’d take care of it. Turns out he did not. I was hounded with calls for years but didn’t pay it. It dropped off my credit score and I’ve heard nothing else from them as of yet.
disapproving_cake@reddit
I was taken to court over $1500 after ignoring for years. I have to pay a monthly amount until it's paid off and my credit is tanked.
reasonarebel@reddit
I didn't "ignore" it as such. I'm epileptic and when my husband left, I lost my insurance which was paid for through his job. So, when I would have a seizure, sometimes people would call an ambulance and I couldn't afford it. I had thousands in medical bills I couldn't pay. I tried to make payments, but I got behind and eventually they were sent to collections. Then they started garnishing my wages. Then I had to declare bankruptcy. That actually helped. I've been slowly rebuilding my credit. That was about five years ago. Things are a lot better now. I work for the state. I've worked my way through school. It all has a happy ending, but it wasn't great there for a while. I definitely don't recommend ignoring bills.
-Ixlr8@reddit
I got a medical bill for almost $3,000 for an “eye infection” about 6 years ago that I refused to pay. My primary doctor said it was Bells Palsy.She only charged me $30.00 copay. That hospital closed down.😆😆
_haha_oh_wow_@reddit
Messed with my credit score, but I didn't care because I don't use credit cards anymore.
Couldn't afford the bill anyways though, if they tried to sue me it would've been a waste of their time and money as I had no money and was/am pretty much living paycheck to paycheck thanks to student loans and other debts I had to take on because the working class is grossly underpaid while a few make exponentially more money than any of us could ever make in an entire lifetime.
By the way, we are all working class: If you have to go to work or you will starve and/or become homeless, you're working class too.
DOMSdeluise@reddit
depending on what state you're in losing a debt lawsuit could let them garnish your wages
_haha_oh_wow_@reddit
This sort of crazy bullshit is why people become homeless.
LikelyNotABanana@reddit
More than just credit cards are impacted by your credit, since it seems you weren't aware. From your homeowners or car insurance rates to if you have to put a deposit down on your utilities or cell phone contract, let alone when you buy a new car, or don't get that new job you applied for when your employer-to-be saw your poor score.
tldr: credit score impacts you way in life than just those that use credit cards regularly.
ArnoldoSea@reddit
Yep, I had this issue with trying to rent an apartment. My credit score/report has no concerns. However, my spouse's score is low because of a lack of credit history. It's not horrible, but it's below 700.
We were denied 2 apartments that we really liked because of his credit score.
_haha_oh_wow_@reddit
Sucks for me but there were no other options, I'm not going to let my family starve because insurance companies and healthcare are a dumpster fire in America.
iridescentnightshade@reddit
I knew someone who ignored about $500,000 in medical debt. It was a gruesome suicide attempt. He required an airlift flight, was in a coma for a time, and required extensive brain surgery.
He threw away all bills and ignored it all. The bills were sold to collections and eventually he was pursued in court. He ended up declaring bankruptcy.
To put an even finer twist to the tale, I Googled him a few years ago and found he didn't survive his second suicide attempt. He was a pretty disgusting human being, so I don't feel too bad.
brock917@reddit
80 Comments / 32 upvotes. This is one of those posts everyone wants to share their story.
Lots of good information here. It would benefit the post and add visibility for others to read these stories and learn, if everyone upvoted the post also.
JeddakofThark@reddit
I had an uninsured hospital stay ten years ago. I paid every other bill, but somehow the doctor's bill ended up in collections. They refused to send me an itemized bill and tried to convince me that I wouldn't understand it anyway, so why bother looking at it? I laughed, hung up, and never heard from them again.
robbbbb@reddit
I got a dentist bill once for over $300. I hadn't been to that dentist in over three years, and I knew I had paid it anyway. I ignored it and never heard anything else about it again.
intothefiretox@reddit
Phone calls and letters. Never really impacted my credit score.
Snoo_63187@reddit
I ignored the one from me getting committed. Sure they called a few times but I kept telling them I would never be able to work again and that I would never be able to pay them. This went on for a few months then they just wrote it off.
That_One_Girrrl@reddit
I’ve had a few bills sent to collections, I’ve gotten things in the mail to pay them. It messes with my credit for a bit but eventually falls off. So no serious consequences that I’m aware of yet
orangeunrhymed@reddit
I’m currently getting my wages garnished to the tune of $800 a month. I have health insurance and rarely go to the doctor and I still can’t afford to pay my medical bills.
theproestdwarf@reddit
They never sued me and after a number of years (like 10 or so?) passed, it was dropped and I now owe nothing. It was around $100,000, due to being a dwarf (considered a pre-existing condition) in pre-Obamacare times I could not get insurance for a price that wasn't ludicrous, and my gallbladder + pancreas teamed up and almost killed me on Christmas 2012.
AmerikanerinTX@reddit
Luckily I live in Texas, so nothing has happened. After four years, they can't sue you. In some states, hospitals have been successful in seizing property and assets, but recently those tend to be extenuating circumstances.
As for my credit report, even when they do appear, IME no lender has ever cared, though sometimes I've needed to go through manual underwriting which takes a bit longer. I have a 750 credit score despite having two decades of unpaid medical bills. This is a new development though: previously my score was in the low 500s only from medical debts.
It's also been my experience that small debts (less than $2000 or so) don't matter much to hospitals, but private practices may be especially diligent on even very small amounts (like $10). With a couple very large debts I worked with the hospitals to reduce it, then entered extremely low repayment plans ($5/month) until the statute of limitations ended.
Bad things definitely can and do happen. That just hasn't been my personal experience.
BigPapaJava@reddit
Usually not much.
However, there is a hospital monopoly in my area that will sue people for collections.
Usually the person being sued doesn’t even show up in court or tells the judge they owe the money but can’t pay, which leads to a default judgement against them.
Once they have that court order, the company can garnish up to 1/3 of their wages until the debt is paid off, but usually they try to work out some sort of settlement/payment plan first.
The last resort if they start garnishing wages and won’t agree to anything else is to file bankruptcy.
Mountain_Air1544@reddit
It will lower your credit score
WritPositWrit@reddit
It tanks your credit so good luck getting a car loan, but otherwise nothing happens. And (still speaking from experience) if your situation improves and you call the collections agency YEARS later to pay up, they are super friendly about it.
InksPenandPaper@reddit
It takes your credit score and depending on the amount, they will come after you.
People have a misconception that hospitals are on the whole state or federally run, they are private businesses. They will come after you for services rendered.
Now, they would rather get some money than no money, so when you look at your bill that appears astronomically high, talk to their billing department in question the majority of the charges. In all likelihood they'll remove a nice chunk to get you to pay. After you got the bill down some, call or go directly to the financial aid office at the hospital which every hospital has and tell them you can't pay the bill in its entirety. They will work with you. For them, some money is better than no money and walk away with paying just a fraction of the bill or even nothing at all.
You do have to be persistent and on top of this however and while they do give preferential assistance to low income or poor people, even middle class are well-off individuals can still talk down the price during that first stage of questioning the bill by requesting an itemized version of the bill to clearly see what they charged you for and what you did not request to approve. Question everything.
CommitteeofMountains@reddit
I missed that there was an insurance issue on a couple minor charges and then forgot. When I got around to calling the hospital they told me they'd already sold the debt off to a collections agency. When the collections agency reached out it was for only of the charges and they agreed to get back to me when I could pay both in one go and then forgot it so long they wrote both off.
mamatobee328@reddit
I had an ER bill for about $1000 that I couldn’t pay. I didn’t really have any money to pay anything towards it at the time. It eventually got passed off to collections and I got letters but I don’t recall ever getting phone calls. It did go on my credit report and lowered it quite a bit. I couldn’t get approved for anything for a long time. It’s been 5 years now and while it’s still on my report, it doesn’t seem to have an effect anymore. I have good credit and I don’t have an issue getting loans/credit. Supposedly it will fall off completely in 2 more years.
matahari3274@reddit
Medical debt can no longer affect your credit score. That was recently changed. I’ve seen some answers mentioning it will ruin a credit score so just wanted to weigh in on that.
ArnoldoSea@reddit
This is untrue if the debt is over $500. The change made in 2022 means that once a medical provider sends the debt to a collections agency, they have to wait one year before they can report any delinquency to the credit agencies. After that one year, if the debt has been paid, then it cannot appear on the report. If it has not been paid, and if it's over $500, prepare to see your credit score drop.
Expat111@reddit
Pretty sure that’s true only for bills at $500 or less. But I think Biden is trying to change that to all medical debt or much higher amount.
Jakebob70@reddit
Depends on the amount. Some eventually might be just written off, it isn't worth their time to go after relatively small amounts. A larger bill might trigger a lawsuit and you'll get a summons.
It will impact your credit score either way, but if you have good credit otherwise, it won't keep you from buying a house or a car.
jennyrules@reddit
Nothing. Nothing has happened to me.... yet.
Temporary_Light2896@reddit
The biggest mistake I see here is people freely giving their SSN to healthcare providers. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THIS.
Dr_Girlfriend_81@reddit
It was my husband's, but...credit score tanked and we couldn't buy a house or get a car loan or credit card and it even limited our renting options to shitty trailer parks that don't check credit. Then it FINALLY dropped off after about a decade and he was able to get his credit score up enough to do all the things we hadn't been able to do in our twenties and thirties.
Expiscor@reddit
Currently doing so with a $500 bill. Doctors office told me that I wouldn’t have any co-pay or anything then sent me that bill a few weeks later. They also never filed anything with my insurance correctly so I couldn’t even get the medication I was prescribed. Definitely not paying it since I didn’t get services rendered appropriately.
prombloodd@reddit
I’ve never paid any medical bills and I’ve yet to be dragged to court over it
Hulks_Pastamania@reddit
For 20 years I’ve worked in a large hospital with a large cross on the side of the building and lots of signs around talking about Jesus’ healing mission. Theres no talk about Jesus’ bill collectors, but nonetheless they’ll immediately sick them on your asses if you don’t have their money when they demand it.
Because, y’know, Jesus.
ElectionProper8172@reddit
My father in law got really sick at the end of his life. He was on Medicare. When he died, his home had to be sold and Medicare took all the money. It was about $200,000.
DancingFireWitch@reddit
You can be sued. If a judgment is obtained against you it could lead to a wage or bank garnishment.
Tricky-Wishbone9080@reddit
Can be. In my case if had a few bills that were more than a years wages and they eventually just disappeared. The smaller stuff though that definitely gets you.