American moved to Australia and incredibly homesick
Posted by Westonbury@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 294 comments
I'm an American from Arizona. I'm Native American which is relevant to this post. I've been living here for about a year. I hate everything about this place. I'm living in Sydney, which in it's exterior is a nice city.
I'm stunned at the level of racism in this country that NO ONE talks about. White Australians are in total denial of the racism issues here. I meet other expats who live here (who are almost always white) who love Australia and have no understanding nor concept of how different the experience is for a person of color.
All of my friends are Australians of Asian background who all hate it here and want out. None of them understand why I'm here and why a POC would want to come here.
Did I choose the wrong city, is it more accepting in Perth or Melbourne?
Beneficial-Grand-693@reddit
What does POC mean please?
Beneficial-Grand-693@reddit
As a white mother with a biracial black child I completely understand what you are saying and I agree with you šÆ.
Ever since my child attended school she has dealt with racist and racism and all the white Australians as you say are in complete denial and don't understand because they don't experience it , it's been incredibly soul destroying and sad and debilitating and I'm planning for us to leave Australia for good due to this.
I really feel for you and would say don't hesitate, listen to your inner voice and get the hell out of here asap before you spiral into self doubt and depression..
Easytoremember4me@reddit
Ha! Come to Queensland and youāll know real hate.
PoochMeg@reddit
Perth is officially the worst and most racist state in Australia.
Easytoremember4me@reddit
Yeah, I have heard that itās worse
Party_Goat_6365@reddit
I know your post is old, but I registered just to post here. Australia is incredibly racist and xenophobic and the people here are in complete denial, which makes it worse. You'll hear them say time and time again how egalitarian and multi-cultural their country is, but if you have a funny accent, different skin colour, or a name that they can tell is foreign: expect to be discriminated against. I'm not even brown, I'm a white dude from South Africa, and I have a hard time even getting job interviews because of my name. One or two people casually admitted they thought I was "maybe Indian or something" (I don't have an Indian sounding name at all, but an Afrikaans one they can't pronounce, and they're so racist they can't tell the difference). It's been quite eye-opening moving from a country known for its racist past to one that's supposed to be liberal and finding that where you come from is MUCH more empathetic and tolerant than where you've moved to. After more than 2 years of living here we don't even have Australian friends, hell an Australian won't even ask you where you're from because they think they are superior to everyone else. The only friends we have here are all immigrants from other countries like Brazil, Asian countries, or Mexico. While we were waiting for our PR to come through we were harassed by a guy on a Facebook group saying: "Fuck off back to where you came from, we're full. If you stay here we will make you hate it and we will hate you." Should've listened. Massive disappointment. Don't even get me started about how they all think they're "laid back" while actually being massively anal, rude, and stuck up. They will bore you to death with bureaucracy if they don't kill you with racism first.
travishummel@reddit
My wife is Sri-Lankan Australian and lived in the US (San Francisco) for the last 10 years with me before moving to Sydney.
She always talked about how amazed she was that Australians donāt acknowledge how racist the country is and how the racism in Northern California, while it exists, is nothing compared to where she grew up.
Now in Sydney, itās WILD. Iām white, but noticing how she gets treated differently because of her skin color (despite her having the accent) and people treat me incredibly well.
Wherever we live, our close friends and family from the other country question why we would live where we liveā¦ what ev, Iām living for me.
Sorry youāre having such a rough time. Iāve been in Sydney for 2 months and itās been a tough transition for my wife and I as well, but canāt imagine the difficulties youāve had while being here.
Used_Sympathy_9979@reddit
Glad you noticed that your wife was treated differently. My ex-partner who I moved to Australia to be with gaslighted me that it wasnāt happening despite it happening right in fromt of him. Even from his family that hated me or disregarded my existence all together. Isolated just him and I for nearly 5yrs. No invites to holidays, Christmasā¦etc. despite his family living less than 20mins away, I didnāt see them for 3yrs straight and only 4xs in the nearly 6yrs we were together.
For context Iām Latina and half white, look more Latina, Puerto Rican to be exact. I find the behaviour in Australia to be similar to psychopaths. My ex was sure one.
Professional-Bee4181@reddit
Exactly the same situation Latino with an Australian had to leave cause here family was racists towards me.
Throwaway243474@reddit
Itās collective narcissism. Like I started losing hair and I started to look gaunt. I refused to leave the house for nearly a year at one point by myself. I had people, try to attack me mostly women, white Aussie.
Then when we were in a store, this man that was like 1.5ft taller than me (Iām petite and tiny) nearly knocked me over because I took a second to look back down the aisle to make sure I hadnāt forgotten something. This mans didnāt even say excuse me nor sorry. My ex, sided with this man by saying that it was my fault and that he couldnāt take a side. This man he didnāt even know.
Had his family mostly his sisters bf saying āborder n*rs f-ing salsa n*rsā indirectly to me. I was the only Latina person in that house probably in the neighbourhood. His sister never friend requested me on facebook but the moment my ex got with a white Aussie less than a week theyāre friends on Facebook.
These people are psychopaths! This country full of them. It will do you in and you will need therapy to feel normal again.
GlitteringDisk347@reddit
My experience is that white Australian women are particularly racist towards latin or hispanic women. It feels like a disturbing primitive instinct takes over them. It's dangerous, like they hate your own existence. Most of the time they will be trying to get a reaction from you by being petty/unfair, bullying and gaslighting you. For your safety, just document everything but do not engage with them. Don't try to reason.
travishummel@reddit
Fricken yikes. Iām so sorry.
We have a bunch of discussions about interactions that we think constitute racism and the other will be devils advocate. In SF we were often on opposite sides because there was plausible deniability. Now in Australiaā¦ weāre always on the same page.
From what Iāve seen itās not like someone will come out and overtly say something racist, itās more that they will suggest that my wife always wants curry (despite me liking it more than her), or acting like she is a nuisance in a store while treating me like a hero.
m00z9@reddit
Acknowledging a problem means you have to contemplate sitting quietly and working on yourself.
SeanBourne@reddit
Neither of which are a strength for aussies.
LyleLanleysMonorail@reddit
Australians, do you need therapy? Are you guys ok?
travishummel@reddit
Ummmm what?
SeanBourne@reddit
Think heās giving a reason as to why Aussies donāt acknowledge how racist the country is.
jszly@reddit
lol yeah I live in the Bay as well. And find NorCal and Aus to be similar amounts of racist. I grew up in the south and never experienced the level I have in SF
SeanBourne@reddit
Iām a white, (Canadian-)American living in Sydney. Itās not in your head. Australia is shockingly, casually/unconsciously racistā¦ Canada was the same when I grew up as a small child there. Itās not any better in Perth or Melbourneā¦ though itās worse in small, remote towns. Iām sorry youāve had to experience this and wanted to validate you.
The landscape is beautiful, but the people can be ugly. It takes a while to realize this, but an additional factor is that many Australian people have a hate-boner for Americans/America. This comes as a shock to many as we think of Australians abroad as friendly, and think of Australia as an ally (but thatās at the government level).
EaglesFanBoy86to95@reddit
I mean I am Australian. Born & raised in Melbourne, I may hate the U.S. domineering aspects, but I don't hate America for subjective dogma. It's exactly true with that last thing you said, Australia has this strange Anti Americanism, while they say their not, when they embody and copy America, but then don't aspect other aspects to American's. It's more if they go, they want to see superficial celebrities and clichƩ famous places, but it's definitely more of the government ally, than a strong mutual citizen bond.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Very true. Imagine being an American and a POC in Australia. Fun times.
Used_Sympathy_9979@reddit
I am an American and POC in Australia and I hate life here. Itās like a nightmare at times. So isolating
sisyphusgolden@reddit
I know right? Lately, I've been dreaming about home and waking up to the sad realization that I'm still here. I'm doing my best to fight the homesickness. Can't wait to leave though.
SeanBourne@reddit
I honestly donāt know how OP puts up with it - mentally strong dude right there.
Klutzy-Concert2477@reddit
I live in NZ, and I noticed some mild dislike of Americans, among my acquaintances. My take on it is that it's a cultural misunderstanding; The kiwi social etiquette is to be humble, almost self-depreciating in interpersonal interactions. So they perceive Americans' style as 'bragging and self-promotion' (which to me and other immigrants, is not). Dunno about Australians, from reading this sub it seems like some are quite insular.
SeanBourne@reddit
The difference is the Kiwis are much closer to the British so will be the opposite of vocal. Aussies arenāt vocal by our standards either, though much more than Kiwisā¦ and way more when drunk. And they get drunk easily and often, haha.
In Aus or NZ Itās a mix of:
-Their āmore British sensibilityā (outwardly polite, fear being rude/aggressive so are indirect to the point of passive aggressivity, more collectivist) is seen as a virtue over American affect (individualistic, bragging/self-promotion, direct seen as aggressive/rude) - leading to a (rationalized) belief of superiority
underpinned by:
Repeat to yourself and your children for generations, and you get the mindset weāve got now.
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
Oh yeah I don't really get that either. Lots of Anti-American sentiments that seem childish in nature.
Camelgok@reddit
It only seems childish to Americans. Itās anti American cultural hegemony, and well understood around the rest of the world. People who havenāt left Australia only see the bad sides of the US from mass media, not the best (read: the American people).
In addition, Australia has always had an identity crisis. Being a vassal state of the US for protection doesnāt sit well with many people, especially those older who remember Australia having a more proud sense of cultural independence. Obviously the further back you go the more problematic it gets, but Keating and his embrace of Asia in the 90s was at least a conscious sense of identity.
Theraminia@reddit
Oh crap. I might start a PhD in Australia soon (Melbourne) and I'm Colombian and kind of brown. Ambiguous enough to pass as a local for most Italians and Portuguese fellows, but brown enough to be immediately seen as Latino in the US. Plus I have an accent that might be confusing enough, but does not pass as native English speaker I believe. Do you think I might have a hard time there too?
itsdyabish@reddit
Academia is very different. I am doing my PhD and 80% of people are international.
Most student and staff (at least in my faculty) is not Asian, South European, or Latin.
mr-louzhu@reddit
I have a Colombian friend whose sister moved to Australia for law school. She's got a whole life there now, a husband, and permanent residency status. Seems to be doing great.
Klutzy-Concert2477@reddit
Greeks were called "wogs" not long ago in Australia. In Eastern Europe, when you see Greeks you think The Odyssey, Plato, Pythagoras.
Theraminia@reddit
Just in case, I look like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ethnicity/s/AzsfJr2tQw
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
You'll have no issues fitting in over here.
mr-louzhu@reddit
Dude, you look pretty white. I mean, obviously there's a little something else going on in there. But definitely you're in the white passing side of the aisle.
Theraminia@reddit
Well two cousins of mine live there! One in Perth the other in Sydney. Both married to Australians and with children. One is 5"10, looks indigenous or Indian from India, the other is 5"0 with light brown hair and green eyes and a very Iberian look. They're full blooded sisters (something I love seeing people confused about). So far they haven't mentioned anything regarding their looks but definitely comments about their accents. They seem to be quite happy there
Willing_Program1597@reddit
Well a lot of Colombians are white so..
javelin3000@reddit
Don't worry, there are plenty of Colombians in Melbourne. You will be fine.
crazyabootmycollies@reddit
Thereās been a noticeable influx of people from Colombia, Argentina, & even a bit of Venezuela over the last year or so. Iām white so I hear what they say when you leave the room. More than skin color, you might catch resentment towards immigrants at a time when we have fully employed local families going homeless because our landlord politicians havenāt been investing in public housing for the last decade and change so now we have people being told to use witchcraft to manifest a house for them and their severely disabled child. Iām in Adelaide, but Melbourne is generally much better about acceptance. If anyone gives you any grief, immediately tell them that if immigrants like you werenāt paying 300% tuition, the local kids would have over hell of a time with tertiary education fees. For better or for worse, foreign students are waved through so long as they can afford their fees so youāll definitely be getting your degree.
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
I can only speak for my experience living in Sydney, but most natives here are not that friendly, unless they're POC people as well. If you're white passing though the experience might be different for you. Most White Australians do not seem interested in confronting the social issues in their country. It's not like in the U.S where you can't escape it. Americans are very loud about the issues affecting the home front. Perhaps I'm just in cultural shock.
brezhnervous@reddit
I was born here (Anglo heritage) and Sydney people are not friendly, or only superficially so. I tend to keep away from people as much as possible.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
American POC. It's not just cultural shock. Your observations are spot on.
DrLaneDownUnder@reddit
Iāll caveat by saying Iām a white American living in Melbourne who works at a university, and acknowledging the racism here can be very bad. That said, the city of Melbourne, the universities, and the primary school that my kids go to are all very multicultural and welcoming. There are lots of Latin Americans - Brazilians, Colombians, some not at all white passing - and Africans where I work and in my Department who seem to get on fine and are quite happy here. I canāt promise you wonāt experience something unpleasant, but I think youāll be fine.
Silent_Slip_4250@reddit
Second this. Come to Melbourne
Dry_Personality8792@reddit
as i read your post i was thinking, did i set up another username and write something on reddit while i was drunk last night. POC from Latin America. Racism is off the charts here. i'll dm you.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Same here. I feel this post in my soul.
Dry_Personality8792@reddit
100%. AS a POC dont live in Mosman or Easter S, they wont hold back at their dislike of 'your peoples'. Sure they will tell you how much the love PA Le LALA or tor - T-LAA but stay in our lane your brown person. God forbid you were successful in your country.
SeanBourne@reddit
Add in their weird āTall Poppy Syndromeā... And just god forbid you were successful.
rainmace@reddit
Whatās that?
SeanBourne@reddit
Basically, a successful person is not celebrated here, but rather is ācut down to sizeā / actively made to feel bad for their success so āthat they are like the rest of usā. Only way itās āokayā to be successful is to basically apologize for it, make fun of yourself, and claim it was just all luck.
This is true among Anglo Australiansā¦ goes double if youāre not Anglo. (Which reminds me - there is a much narrower sense of whoās āwhiteā than in the US. Itās like the 1950s here.)
TL;DR, in the US, success is (or at least used to be) celebrated, and a personās background didnāt matter; here, a personās background matters significantly and success a) doesnāt āmake upā for it and b) if anything is held as a mark against, e.g. āhow dare person not in our in group have the TEMERITY to succeedā.
Even as a well accepted Anglo (My parents were from the UK, I grew up in Canada for a few yearsā¦ so I know how to āplay the gameā and not be ātoo Americanā), the culture is a far cry from the US and not easy to deal with. I cannot imagine how difficult it is for any POC, let alone a successful one like OP to deal with it.
Throwaway243474@reddit
Donāt be an attractive woman of colour either, those white Aussie women will treat like you donāt exist and will be harsh to you for no reason. Donāt be an attractive, fit, successful, well-traveled, woman of colour that has a lot going and many hobbies.
Example Iām about to leave my job because Iām finally leaving Australia in a few weeks. Well when an Irish girl left back to her country, the job had flyers up wishing her well. On her late day they set up the breakroom with food and a party. They got her a Pandora bracelet. Oh Iām leaving? Nothing. No flyers no little get together. Itās fine because I donāt like the attention anyways and living Australia has done a number on my self-esteem maybe thatās why I donāt like attention. I just want to leave in peace. Iām a scientist btw.
Latter_Tank5344@reddit
"attractive, fit, well-traveled" Do you have trouble fitting your giant head through doorways?
I think I know why they didn't get you a farewell gift š
rainmace@reddit
Damn, you know what? I think you just about described my entire experience being American in Europe. It's how it is in basically every country here. Netherlands, England, Ireland. They all HATE you if you show yourself as succeeding. There's a natural instinct to want to bring you down to size, to make you feel ashamed. Never realized it until now. Success isn't celebrated lol.
SeanBourne@reddit
TPS is pretty broadly across the EU (ethnostates) /CANZUK (wannabe ethnostates that need immigration as a bailout for their demographic bombs). It covers a lot of territory lol.
rainmace@reddit
Damn. Preach
Used_Sympathy_9979@reddit
Yep Latina America here that grew up in the Deep South yet Australia far exceeds even the smallest town in the south in my experience. I hate this country and I hate most Aussies
Theraminia@reddit
You're in Australia too?
littlefishinbigpond@reddit
Iām an Australian who now lives in America with my husband. Leave that hell hole and get out asap. It doesnāt matter where you live in Australia itās the same. I bonded with the Asians too - they are better people.
We are a convict island - they tell us it was innocent crimes they were convicted of but I believe thatās now bullshit. It has to be violent crimes. Thatās why they took our guns away. They want perpetrators everywhere. No one is straight which means they will root anyone and call them āmateāā¦ lol
Throwaway243474@reddit
They were psychopaths and mentally ill that bred for a few generations and now the psychopath gene is strong and apart of the dna. These people are crazy, dangerous, and when around them I feel unsafe and like I need to take a shower. Dead eyes and perverts too
Warm-Influence-3463@reddit
Just chiming in. I'm Asian. Moved to Australia a few weeks ago. Today my landlady casually dropped some racist remarks along the lines of the "Asians are bad drivers" trope. Disgusting. That said, I think Australia has a reputation of being racist, at least in my circle. So I can't say I didn't expect it but it doesn't mean it's less shocking when I witness it.
Throwaway243474@reddit
My exes sister said āAsians are only good for scrubbing my feetā in front of me a Latina and her brother. I was shocked never in my life have I hear such things. She used go drive and just stalk Asian people minding their business. Like why are they wearing masks, look at them etc
Useful-Librarian-512@reddit
Iām a black woman American -Australian dual citizen that was born in America and partially raised in Australia. The first and only time I was EVER called the n word was in Australia. People would constantly ask me inappropriate stereotypical questions about America and black culture. A guy at my job who was in his 40s asked me if my vag was pink or brown and everyone laughed. I have so many stories like this. Once they start drinking it gets worse . They have this bullying culture that they swear is just jokes but itās not. Although I grew up in Australia I never truly felt like I belonged because of the constant questioning and othering. Australia is a safe, clean place with good food the culture is DOO DOO. The only way I survived Australia was to grin and bear it, but my self esteem and identity paid the price! America can be crazy but I find the people more respectful, down to earth, and genuine.
Throwaway243474@reddit
Iām so sorry you experienced this. That behaviour is that of cluster b, itās very psychopathic and bullying is just normal but they treat you like a test subject or an object and only deal with you to entire insult you or because they have no choice.
Coming from a Latina thatās half French, with light eyes and very light brown skin, I always imagined how bad it is far people who are black or darker. I did know an American black girl who was asked weird questions, āif black girls had big and deep vagina because black men have large penisesā I was disturbed
However I worked in a cafe here and had a man ask me if had a tiny bit of n-word in me (Iām half Puerto Rican so we have a bit of African) but it was hard r and I was taken aback. Canāt see why anyone would want to live here if theyāre not white
midlife-crisis-actor@reddit
The further you get from the city centres of Melbourne or Sydney the worse it will get. Perth is probably the worst
safadancer@reddit
I lived in Perth for 2.5 years and was shocked at how incessantly racist white australians are. Also sexist and homophobic, to be fair, but mostly racist.
Throwaway243474@reddit
Haha when a pile of white people looked at me, a half Latina half French American like I was disgusting trash, while a guy in a dress with joker makeup on was able to walk past not even a stare I knew I had to get out of there. When white Aussie women would see me as more of a threat then sitting next to said male I knew I had to get out. Me a tiny, petite woman, scientist on the way to work or on my way from work.
Or being tired after pulling 12hr shifts at the hospital I worked at and talking a seat on the crowed train and having the man I sat next to quickly move all his belonging from his pocket that was closet to me to the other while trying to push himself as far as well from me as possible. Yeah I donāt smell bad, I donāt look bad, I dress well, if you know Latinas most of us put a lot of attention on our self-care and our appearance. I felt like I was the most disgusting thing on the planet. It was also humiliating as it was a busy train and everyone was seeing this. I wanted to hide and disappear. I went home and collapsed on to my floor and cried for an hour.
midlife-crisis-actor@reddit
Yeah, I lived there for 28 years, sadly. Truly a shit hole with nice beaches
safadancer@reddit
It's the only place I've ever lived that someone screamed LESBO at me out the window of a ute as I was walking down the street. The beaches ARE nice, though.
Nikitaamerie@reddit
Iām mixed, black and white. Lived there all my life until 5 years ago. Iām gonna say it. The only way to truly be comfortable there is to adapt some of the prejudice mindset without totally self hating. I had no idea how my mind had shaped growing up there only realised when I moved and met other people of colour or other white people in London who did not think the same. Itās been a good more comfortable experience living abroad that Iām afraid if Iāll go back I will not have all the strength to politically correct people. I look at ethnic people in Australia as almost desperate to fit in and make their life easier which is a sad observation but thatās exactly how I was. Good luck
LyleLanleysMonorail@reddit
I am shocked to hear this tbh. I visited the major Australian cities on the east coast and it was a very multicultural place like the US or London. Granted, I did not see as much "intermingling" between races as London or Toronto, but I did not get the impression it was worse than other cities in North America.
Throwaway243474@reddit
Itās like 1960s America. Trust me itās like you went back in a Time Machine. Latina American from the US lived in Australia for nearly 5yrs
Nikitaamerie@reddit
Iām not saying itās not diverse. Cities especially will always be diverse. You wonāt know how it is until you live there. I have no doubt your tourist visit was a pleasant experience.
Throwaway243474@reddit
Yep. This PNG girl at my job, at first it was hard to see her try so hard to be one of the good ones or whatever. But then once I saw that she was mean to me for being a Latina woman that didnāt care to do all of that, so she actively started to ignore and disregard me, donāt care. But I saw her kiss the asses do the people that compared her to a money that was missing several evolutionary updates.
Another Asian woman at my job changed her name to a basic white name it was weird because you know it wasnāt her birth name this woman also kissed the asses if these people and treated people of colour including other Asians like crap. Itās so weird growing up in America I never witness this type of stuff
erino89@reddit
Growing up mixed in Australia is horrible and I empathise with the experience of adopting some prejudices to get through life here and fit in, especially as a teenager. It was a shock having mixed friends point that out when I came to the UK the first time in my 20s and I have tried to clear all of those traces from my personality ever since.
Iāve received openly snide, weird comments from everyone, related to race my entire life. That my dad mustāve had ājungle feverā to possibly be attracted to my mum. A kid telling me I had vomit-coloured skin for no reason at our locker area. The desperate saddo that chased all the girls in my year specifically asking me not to talk to him at a parents evening because āmy mum just hates black peopleā. Even now Iām openly referred to as āthe black friendā and a lot of interests and activities I do dismissed as ātoo black for me to doā or laughed at as though invalid to enjoy (eg hip hop dance classes, enjoying afrobeats). Itās a pretty lonely existence if youāre not surrounded by a similar community.
Iām sorry for the experiences people have been through in this thread. I hope to be able to find a job overseas and leave permanently because the idea my future children could grow up sharing any of that indignity is just too sad.
BluSeaweed@reddit
As a Black American my heart aches for you and any Black person who must enslave or colonize their psyche to mentally survive.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Interesting, insightful observation. Thank you for sharing this.
DatingYella@reddit
I really donāt think a lot of people realize that the US is maybe the most tolerant country for different identities. add that onto the pay, I really donāt think a lot of countries can even compete when it comes to building a life.
SnooSketches4878@reddit
FAKE FAKE FAKE
PoppyPopPopzz@reddit
Ilove the US...Australia is ok to visit as a white person (im white) but wanted to punch people daily due to the racist comments so am glad I left š
DatingYella@reddit
I heard about that! Being a Chinese American I did hear a lot of people who are like that not having a good experience though.
Go go American antiracism!
HairRevolutionary916@reddit
Iām Indigenous Australian and Iām going to the USA from Sydney- because the racism is intolerable and extremely stressful to live with day to day. I make in the top income bracket here, and I get followed in shops by security, I am treated poorly or rudely often- people treat me like I canāt afford anything, I am followed by staff, I am bag checked at the grocery store. My tax bill is higher than these racists annual income. Sorry for sounding so bitter, but itās like no matter what you do you, no matter how high you climb, how hard you work, what credentials you have, you canāt change the colour of your skin and the way society will treat you. Itās much better in Melbourne, but if you go there: live in a wealthy neighbourhood- if you can afford it, pick your medical professional, i.e GP etc carefully. There is still racism and discrimination in Melbourne- and all of Australia, but you can in general go about your day to day.
Good-Championship645@reddit
We don't want more Asians or Indians
pricklyvagina@reddit
Oh... I'm a South Asian moving to Sydney for work soon... My partner refused to move with me because of the racism. I'm really beginning to second-guess my decision.
Responsible_Ear_5629@reddit
My husband is Asian, we're both Americans but I'm a dual citizen.. We are planning on going to Sydney soon and I've had to have in-depth conversations about whats to come in Australia in terms of casual racism. Things aussies say as "jokes" most would consider straight up insults. They are really bad with asians because they assume you won't fight back. My husband will, he doesn't give a hoot. I'm seriously worried about this. My aussie step mom used to TEACH ME how to be racist towards asians. As a black woman from America I was gagged. I would avoid after work drinks if you can. That's when they get rowdy and it just all comes out... everyone will be having a laugh at your expense and will expect you to join in on the self hate train. This is all Australians not just the white ones lol
AltruisticRope646@reddit
Im Aussie and mixed so I know exactly how racist this whole is. Wish I was born anywhere else or at least had the social ability to make friends abroad and leave the place
Professional_Elk_489@reddit
Foreign-born, grew up in Melbourne, lived 750M from city centre, left it 11 years ago, lived in Bangkok and a few cities in Europe too : London, Dublin, Amsterdam.
Yes thereās racism in Australia. However, none of this analysis is very nuanced.
For instance, many foreigners who visited Melbourne had no idea how diverse the place is.
Consider this : - Melbourneās CBD is 38% Chinese or Chinese heritage alone - When you include other Asian countries it is closer to 50% maybe even 50%+ - 55% of people in the City of Melbourne were born overseas, compared with 36% in Greater Melbourne in 2016 census - In Greater Melbourne at the 2021 census, 59.9% of residents were born in Australia - As a % of the population born overseas (40.1%) it is higher than London & NYC - Melbourne has the 10th largest immigrant population in the world - Melbourne has the 4th largest foreign born population in the world (after London, NYC, Sydney) - It has the highest per capita number of Holocaust survivors outside Israel - It has people from 200 countries, 233 languages, 116 religious faiths - Melbourne City is represented by a Green MP (think Brighton or Bristol in UK) - Notwithstanding it is incredibly safe, prosperous and ranks in Top 20 cities of the world by any measure and by liveability more like Top 10 - It doesnāt have ghettos
As for white Australians, they are the least racist and the most racist and probably also the most in between depending on socio-economics :
Also : - Thereās an element of young men seeing foreign guys in their 20s as competition for women and being dickheads to them on a night out (guys who do well like French, Italians, Irish, English probably suffer this, apologies!) - Thereās an element of Australian women really not liking Australian men dating more attractive Colombians, Thais, Japanese, Eastern Europeans, Swedish backpackers). I would say half of the the Australian guys Iām friends with have foreign gfs (many now have wives & kids) - In both cases this will be seen as racism but you look at the dating and itās clearly not an issue overall with the amount of mixing - Americans get a unique experience imo. Nothing to do with you being Native American, most people donāt care and wonāt realise. - Black Americans & Brits get treated well by default (in the city centres) because they are rare. - Black Africans like Sudanese are treated with suspicion - Australians tend to be mean to other Americans unless they vibe with them (chilled out Coloradans, New Yorkers, Bostonians always got the nicer treatment vs red state Americans) - Turks, Moroccans, Pakistanis get treated better in Melbourne than in Europe & UK imo - Eastern Europeans get treated much better than in UK. A lot of us had (Central) / Eastern European Australian teachers and backpacking around Poland, Hungary or Romania has always been seen as ācoolā
As for the other massive population of Australians everyone ignores - Mediterranean, Balkan & Lebanese Australians are usually much more racist & abrasive imo than Anglo-Celtic Australians - they have a subculture which is parodied very well in āSuper Wogā & āFat Pizzaā. These series would be seen as racist themselves but itās an in group joking about themselves so chill - Asian Australians hate āfobsā (fresh off the boat). They really canāt stand Asians that donāt speak perfect English. Probably 30% of my mates were Asian Australian and this is how Iād describe their attitude - By contrast, Australians who learned Japanese, Indonesian, Chinese at school likely to be very friendly to those groups - Japanese in general are loved, Japan idealised - Much of the violence towards Indians that caused a diplomatic furore came from African Australians in West Melbourne who saw them as rich & weak - Widespread Muslim immigration in general is probably seen with suspicion (fear of European experience) except Southeast Asians who are accepted
Anyway that was my experience. People have opinions and share them. In London they have opinions and keep them to themselves
Younot2222@reddit
Why are Mediterranean-, Balkan-, & Lebanese-Australians much more racist & abrasive than their Anglo-Celtic counterparts? They're from problem areas of the world so it's very odd
Professional_Elk_489@reddit
Anglo-Celtic Australians typically more middle class, more dialled into the global western corporatist pc culture you find in USA, Canada, UK - really exactly the same mindset. Youāll get fired if you say anything off beat, learn to mince your words. Thereās also bogan & tradie culture which is not like this at all. I think itās more a class thing. Some educated pianist from Milan like Einaudi sending his kids to Australia - they wouldnāt fit into the āsuper wogā group. Some construction worker from Calabria - maybe
sisyphusgolden@reddit
The Voice vote in Australia...š
sisyphusgolden@reddit
The Voice vote was my first red flag.
zypet500@reddit
In what way? I have lots of Chinese friends in Sydney and some Indonesians. They love it in Sydney, been there 6 years.ā
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
I've met a lot of Asians living here who have encountered racism.
zypet500@reddit
in what way?Ā
Careful-Image8868@reddit
In the racist way. What arenāt you getting lol
zypet500@reddit
well Iām Asian. And I know way too many people in Sydney who are Asian who doesnāt have the experience. If I ask them if they encountered racism, theyāre going to ask me in what way?
Subtle? In school? In specific neighborhoods? At work? Violence? As in Asians are getting killed for no reason?
How can you experience racism but cannot describe it in ANY way?Ā
Careful-Image8868@reddit
Why does it matter WHERE it happened, all you need to know is that it happened. Thatās it. The location has no bearing on the story. It shouldnāt have happened, whether it was school, work or on the streetā¦
zypet500@reddit
It matters in what WAY. I live in a place where thereās a lot of racism in the sense that Asians literally get killed and shot at for doing absolutely nothing. Thatās a different kind from say, somebody making stupid ignorant remarks like Konichiwa.Ā
Sadly, if you want to avoid racism entirely thatās not really possible. And Iām Asian. So it depends on what extent of racism and what that environment is, because that determines whether itās something you can mitigate or avoid, fatal or unpleasant.Ā
Younot2222@reddit
A gun helps (certain US states, not sure about Aus). Asians need to carry more, like the people of 1992 L.A., sorry to say
GTFOHY@reddit
Bullshit. Iām black American from a red state and every so called racist event is NOT. Jussie Smollett is a famous example. People want details.
Careful-Image8868@reddit
Youāre probably a coon though so your opinion isnāt valid. Respectfully.
GTFOHY@reddit
Didnāt your mom and dad teach you never to disrespect other blacks in front of white folk? Or were they coons? Respectfully.
proof_required@reddit
They want to pick up holes in story to justify the racism. "Oh you were too loud", "you didn't follow the rule", "I'm white as a coconut and this has happened to me".
zypet500@reddit
Iām asian asian dude. Why the hell would I justify racism? Assume more, please.Ā
Dry_Personality8792@reddit
and being Asian in the pacific rim, in the Asia region, in Aus, is not being a minority. sorry. But Chinese live here like its their holiday home. I dont blame them.
DrLaneDownUnder@reddit
OP, Iām very sorry to hear about your experience. Iām a white American in Melbourne and have had a pretty good experience here. That said, Iāve been surprised at some of the casual racism, usually white Australians asking me where Iām from, then telling me which immigrants (ie, brown country people) they donāt like. Iāve also found Aussies are pretty insular; they make friends in school and by the time theyāre adults, they have little interest in making new friends. So it can be tough to fit in. Hope it gets better for you.
Complete-Rub2289@reddit
Australia racism towards POC immigrants is nothing compared to racism to the indigenousĀ
Used_Sympathy_9979@reddit
Everyone white that Iāve met in Australia regardless of where they came from loved Australia and Australians loved them. I get questioned on my American heritage when most of my ancestors were the first on the continent.
Almost all of the POC Iāve met, I have Australia and white Australians to be exact. Most have left the country already and never want to come back. White people Iāve met that left wish they can stay longer and come back.
magkruppe@reddit
you gotta date to get into friendship pools. that's the surest way I've come across
otherwise, work is also another vector. but outside of those two, it can be rough
account_not_valid@reddit
Fuck your way into friendships.
And back out again.
RCaFarm@reddit
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Mission_Alfalfa_6740@reddit
Lived in Kirribilli for four years. I won't attempt to put myself in your shoes, as a white guy, but as the previous poster noted Aussies at home are VERY insular, and then there is mate culture. Surprised me a lot as they are fairly well-travelled. But, I do see how, being POC must be tough there. I'm half Italian, Italian name, look, etc, and heard the wog word (think Guido, wop, dago) etc, etc. It felt like America in the 50s or in the South even later. Take what solace you can in that the experience is making you more cosmopolitan, a person of the world, and try to look at your days there as a diplomat or Peace Corps worker would.
Japanprquestion@reddit
My friend from the US south said his experience in Australia was far worse than growing up in the south. Aussies are well known for being straight up racists.
scorpiochik@reddit
this makes me feel so validated.
i am a black woman from the south and my ex (blond, green eyed white male) wanted me to move to australia with him despite my concerns about racism there, which he just dismissed (he dismisses anything that didnāt fit his preferred reality so no surprise there
Used_Sympathy_9979@reddit
Aww man my ex was Australia and thatās why Iām here. Note my ex. He denied the stuff I experienced in fact when I thought the understood and saw it, will give comfort, but the moment he was upset he rubbed it in my face how Iām always in his words, āEveryoneās racist, they hate me because of my raceā¦boohoo!ā He did this in a mocking voice.
His family didnāt accept me which meant there were never any family get togethers, holidays, even Christmas in the nearly 6yrs we were together. Pretty much him and I only every holiday. The worse time in my life! He was abusive as most Aussie males are abusive. Australia has a Racism and a domestic violence problem.
Iām happy that Iām leaving for good in November for a place in Europe
sisyphusgolden@reddit
You made the right call. I didn't and regret it.
Used_Sympathy_9979@reddit
I attest to this, I grew up a a Latina in a small southern town of less than 500 and I experienced more racism and hate in one year in Australia than I have my entire life growing up in the US rural Deep South.
It honestly made me open my eyes to how bad it feels to be made to feel like less than dirt or like your existence is a problem. I find most Aussies to be psychopathic or highly narcissistic
gfsincere@reddit
As a Black man from Chicago who lived in NZ and goes back and forth to Aus monthly Iām gonna call bullshit on that one. Especially given the existence of sundown towns and city run police black sites.
Sure Australia is racist, but the US used to turn us into furniture and used our hair from lynched bodies to stuff their couches and as an inner lining in coats. The magnitude and depth of American racism against us is unparalleled in its brutality.
komradebae@reddit
Uh, do you know about the things Australians did to their black (indigenous) people? Not that far off from what was done to us dude
gfsincere@reddit
Yes I do. I know about the Stolen Generations, Terra Nullis, Aboriginal people being classified as āflora and faunaā well into the 1900s.
rainmace@reddit
Bro what? Got any sources for that? If so thatās fd up Iām American and never heard that
gfsincere@reddit
This is common knowledge in the Black American community. Itās obvious why you werenāt taught it in school. https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/question/2013/april.htm
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Same unfortunately.
nutfac@reddit
What the fuck
Used_Sympathy_9979@reddit
I feel you Iām Latina American and I moved her to be with my ex-partner nearly 5yrs ago. I donāt understand why any one of color would ever consider moving to Australia unless they were born here.
The workplaces, neighbours, going into the shops, pretty much all of society sucks horribly. If itās not right out ignorant comments, itās the insidious almost psychopathic energy, non-verbal, indirect racism that makes you not want to explore the country.
Iām happy to finally be leaving this place in November. And the sad thing is, theyāll deny it. My ex denied anything I told him that happened to me despite these things happening right in front of him most times. Itās worse when you get gaslit by a partner that these things arenāt happening.
wat-cell--7071@reddit
I might be late to the party, but I'll give some insights on Melbourne being "better"
Even if you are in the most progressive state in Aus, there will be white liberals who say they are not racist, but act like you have to stay in your lane (I face this once every week from few coworkers)
Some are immigrated from other conservative states (i.e. Perth and Brisbane) so you have to expect that as well.
I have to teach coworkers how to talk to immigrants when I start a new job.
Complete-Rub2289@reddit
To the irony, you will be called out for saying "Australians Society is racist" than the the racism itself. Tall Poppy Syndrome indeed
levitate900@reddit
I made this comment as a New Zealander in Australia and was attacked by two Australians telling me racism doesn't exist.
https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/s/GXzjPWjBEx
Mission-Spite-7872@reddit
When you say Australians, do you mean specifically white men? You can't honestly believe white men are never targeted by racial motives? Do overseas people constantly have an issue being served in ''white man'' shops or something? I am just not seeing what you are all claiming to see. Are you saying racism is specifically a white man problem? Also, you were not attacked lol stop being dramatic, you were met with a difference of opinion on an online forum, which btw is the point of a forum.
VerySaltyScientist@reddit
How is it in New Zealand? Husband curious about New Zealand as an option where we are going to travel out there soon to check out out but we have wondered about this, he is a poc and sadly we have to factor in how racist places are.
iridessence@reddit
Iām East Asian, grew up in a midsize city in NZ. I havenāt experienced any outright discrimination but some micro aggressions occasionally. Itās not as bad as Aus. South Asians have it worse.
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Racism exists everywhere, all countries. Australian racism isn't like some others, it's a casual poke where from places are straight in your race with the worst shit, but it's all foul.
toothless_budgie@reddit
A huge proportion of Aussies are rascist as shit. They just don't care.
Gaelenmyr@reddit
makes a racist joke "It's just a joke!!! You're such a snowflake!!!"
Grow up.
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Read. Worst shit, but it's all foul. Read again. Worst shit, but it's all foul.
downfall67@reddit
De nile is a river in Egypt
Dry_Personality8792@reddit
in denial.
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
Proves my point. A lot of Australians are in denial about the issues here. It's really strange. No country is perfect. There are certainly lots of problems back home.
SlothySundaySession@reddit
We aren't in denial, we are well known for it, especially my age group and older. It's nothing to be proud of because it's disgusting behavior.
qeetttuuuu@reddit
American and POC living in Melbourne here. I would say that Melbourne is better. Iāve never lived in Sydney (only visited) but I feel like Iāve seen and experienced less racism in Melbourne than most places.
Rare-Drive1437@reddit
Try Melbourne, or leave to either Asia or Europe....Far Better life in either of those options.
bubandbob@reddit
As an Asian Australian who grew up in Sydney and has lived in NYC for the last 10 years, I hear you.
What type of racism have you experienced?
LyleLanleysMonorail@reddit
In your experience, do you find Sydney or Melbourne worse in anti-Asian racism than NYC?
bubandbob@reddit
I only lived in Melbourne for a few months. And only in the center of town, so I didn't witness anything there.
I got abused once or twice on the bus in Sydney by old ladies. One told me to speak English, even though I silent and keeping to myself. I told her I don't speak anything else, and that should she f off and mind her own business. All in my thickest Aussie accent. That shut her up pretty quick.
Mostly what I encountered was casual racism. Stuff like, oh I didn't expect you to be Asian after I meet someone in person after only talking on the phone with them. This was 20+ years ago, when I think there were much fewer Asians who were born or grew up from an early age here.
bigdreams_littledick@reddit
If you can try New Zealan I think you should. The cost of living situation and job market are worse, but less racist. I'm a white American, but I've been blown away by the diversity here. My partner has relatives in Sydney and has noted that Australia feels distinctly more racist than New Zealand.
zinky30@reddit
Just seeing how little diversity is on Australian TV says a lot.
LyleLanleysMonorail@reddit
I am from the US (Asian American) visited Australia recently and was shocked by how Asian the major cities were. I did not get the impression of the huge Asian population when watching Australian television or famous Australian celebrities in the US.
LoveSongsForRobots@reddit
Iām an Asian American living in Wellington and previously lived in Melbourne for 3 years. I know itās just my own personal experience but I actually miss Melbourne because (and I know this sounds nuts) Australians were openly racist to my face which let me know who to avoid. But I find kiwis are fake nice to me, and when they think I canāt hear them, they mock me or say nasty things.
I rather have the upfront racism than the fakeness. I had a very social life in Melbourne and now I find myself avoiding people here sadly. I love a lot of other things about this country though!
SeanBourne@reddit
Fake nice - rings true. Canada is the same way.
bigdreams_littledick@reddit
The fake happy thing is a thing in New Zealand you're right. Not just with racism. Kiwis just don't want to say anything unpleasant even if it needs to be said. Or in your case shouldn't be said or even thought about.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
You sir, have the best username I have seen on Reddit. I congratulate you. Get this upvote.
LoveSongsForRobots@reddit
Thank you, Big Dreams Little Dick š Hope you have an awesome Sunday!
LyleLanleysMonorail@reddit
Do you find Australia more racist than the US? I am Asian-American and have interested in moving to Aus but this really puts it in a new light.
Ambitious_Peach_3162@reddit
hey i sent you a message
JacobAZ@reddit
Hey bro, if you're feeling homesick come to Georgia š¬šŖ. Much of it reminds me of Arizona (Im from Prescott), everyone here is pretty mixed so no one looks like one particular race (unless you're African). But it's pretty chill here overall. The language and how things are done here are the biggest things to overcome.
Shot-Technology6036@reddit
where did you see mixed people in Georgia? lol 99.9% is White Caucasian
Ok_Discipline_4218@reddit
Hello. Can't speak for the difference in cities but as a Brit in NZ for 11 years knowing lots of people in Australia and having spent time there, I know it is a country with prevalent racism. You might enjoy NZ. We have a bunch of twats here too (especially at the mo with the current government there's tension)... BUT largely the indigenous wisdom and culture is not just accepted but celebrated and its honestly my favourite thing about NZ other than its incredible beauty.
DogLazy1761@reddit
I think you should move to the Philippines! I am from the Philippines. There is an island called "SIARGAO ISLAND" if you love peace and beach. I swear, a lot of foreigners enjoying the life and chose to live there. Trust me, there are a lot of foreigners than the local Filipinos š¤£ Watch vlogs about the island. They also called it "curse island" because some of them extend their vacations.. it makes them feel home. Plus the cost of living is super cheap š
Flat_Ad1094@reddit
You're in Sydney!! Worst place in Australia to be living....truly. ffs if you want to enjoy Australia? Get out of Sydney. And tell your friends to as well. Sydney is the pits of Australia
kilmister80@reddit
So, what is your city suggestion? Is Brisbane better in these aspects?
Flat_Ad1094@reddit
I think Brisbane is a bit better. But really? people need to move regionally when they are new to the country. It's just easier to meet people and socialise. And in my opinion. A lot more mixing of different people. People reckon cities are less racist? I've found the opposite. places with populations say above 10 000 people are far more diverse and friendly to everyone. If you put the effort in to meet and socialise? You will definitely make friends and really? unless you are some odd person? NO one cares what racial background you are.
ladybarnaby@reddit
Australia is horrible. The nature is amazing, but the people are awful. Worst month of my life.
jamesemelb@reddit
Australia is one of the most successful, integrated and egalitarian multicultural countries on earth.
30% of the population are foreign born.
Most people arenāt racist in the slightest.
Sounds like youāve had bad luck.
Aussies are upfront and blunt and will ask where youāre really from, what that accent is, whatās your background etc. thatās not meant pejoratively.
My partner gets it as he is Aussie born but went to school overseas so has a non Aussie accent.
Melbourne tends to be more multicultural though than other cities although thereās a big mix in most places.
Sorry that youāve had a shitty experience
kilmister80@reddit
It is multicultural, but each group stays isolated in its own area; they donāt mix. Moreover, most Australians have little interest or curiosity about other cultures in general. They are closed off, stick to their high school cliques, and have a hard time accepting anything new, except maybe food in the big cities.
Aika92@reddit
Australia is well-known to be a racist country. Look how they treat the homogenous people. Dude PLEASE leave that country and live where your heart resides. Life is too short for a constant struggle... I learned this lesson too late.
kilmister80@reddit
There definitely is, and casual racism is quite common in everyday life. I think because it's a young country and has a well-marked history of racism, like the "White Australia Policy" that was only abolished in 1973, there are many people still alive who were raised and who raised their children based on that policy, and this culture continues to predominate.
My curiosity is, what is the most progressive city with the least racism in the country? Melbourne perhaps?
Klutzy-Concert2477@reddit
There's a NZ youtuber of half British, half Lebanese ancestry, who looks 100% White. She said that, upon moving to Australia for study, she was advised not to disclose her Lebanese ancestry, because she might be called "a wog". ...... Wtf.
philstermyster@reddit
God designed the world š, man rebuilt it .. , qll the best on further life .. down under mate .. G Day to ya !
Tradtrade@reddit
Iām white Irish immigrant in aus and even I think Australia is horrifically racist
_jay_fox_@reddit
There's an element of British-heritage that seems strong. TBH I'm white and part British with a tiny amount of semitic and even I have had many comments like "are you Aussie? you look European" etc.
Klutzy-Concert2477@reddit
Crazy stuff. Some of my European friends (of European heritage) weren't seen as being 'white' by some people in New Zealand. And those weren't bad people, they actually helped them through. I never thought of Europe in terms of skin shade; more in terms of East versus West.
Tradtrade@reddit
Tbh I think itās pathetic. The people saying this kind of stuff to me have never seen Ireland/uk and usually neither have their parents. Feels very much like they are making it up as the go along for any reason to feel ādifferentā or ābetterā than tbe og people of this land
gfsincere@reddit
Every country full of the people who committed genocide on the indigenous population is going to horrifically racist as a cultural landmark. Itās the only way you can accomplish it. The violence and depravity necessary has to infect every level of that society for it to not cause a schism in it.
Tradtrade@reddit
Australia feels way more racist towards their indigenous population than newzeland for example. But Aussies are also really racist towards random non white groups too itās not limited to groups they would have needed to justify kicking out of their homeland . Itās weird.
gfsincere@reddit
This Iāll definitely give you. I think a lot of it has to do with size, geography, distance, and the populations of which settlers and their social philosophy before coming, and time period of which they came.
rainmace@reddit
So what do you mean? Whatās an example? Can you explain yourself more? This comment sounds like youāve gone off the deep end, but I canāt help but feel youāre on to something, and Iām intrigued
gfsincere@reddit
If you can be okay with as a community finding the nearest Black man you can, lynching them, and eating their genitals on display to all, thatās a deeply depraved community. When you can skin a person and wear their skin as shoes and yet call yourself civilized, thatās patently insane.
āCrowds of white people, at times numbering in the thousands, would gather for public lynchings, which could involve prolonged torture, mutilation, dismemberment and burning of the Black victims. The EJI describes these as ācarnival-like events,ā in which men, women and children would participate.
Following the lynchings, the spectators would excitedly grab āsouvenirsā ā pieces of rope, bloodied clothes, and body parts of the victims. Photographs of the lynchings, along with images of the mutilated and charred corpses, would be distributed.ā
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2020/10/20/an-american-lynching-i-could-hear-their-screams
_malaikatmaut_@reddit
Yeah you probably chose the wrong city. I'm Asian and living in Launceston. Love this place and had never encountered any racial discrimination here. Been here for 5 years now.
GTFOHY@reddit
I definitely hear that Asians catch hell in Australia. Also the people of aboriginal descent (not sure of the correct term, sorry). But that doesnāt mean all POC - native Americans or even black Americans will catch hell there.
kidsondrugs_xo@reddit
Sorry to hear that. In my opinion Aussies are very snobby in general
truffelmayo@reddit
Snobby about what??
OhHolyOpals@reddit
Hey - Iām from Arizona and so is my boyfriend, we both live in Sydney and have been here for over 13 years. While Iām not Native American, I grew up next to the Fort McDowell reservation and have wonderful friends and memories from my childhood going to the res in the surrounding areas too.
We absolutely love it but it took about three years for me to start feeling like it was home and make quality friends.
Feel free to DM me and maybe we can get a coffee or just chat.
Be gentle on yourself, what you are going through is a foundation/life changing experience and it isnāt easy.
Even if all the things you mentioned were different or better, it still would not be easy.
OhHolyOpals@reddit
Hey - Iām from Arizona and so is my boyfriend, we both live in Sydney and have been here for over 13 years. We absolutely love it but it took about three years for me to start feeling like it was home and make quality friends.
Feel free to DM me and maybe we can get a coffee or just chat.
Be gentle on yourself, what you are going through is a foundation/life changing experience and it isnāt easy.
Even if all the things you mentioned were different or better, it still would not be easy.
TravelBaeJae@reddit
Australia is and contuines to be one of the most intentionally racist countries on the planet continues. I met a mixed-race person from there while visiting Thailand, and they said the same.
bunganmalan@reddit
Asian who lived in Sydney. Beautiful place but the people leave it wanting. Had an Israeli (lol) who tried to bully me in the workplace by demanding my office and pulling the single mother card. She went insane when I mildly said no. POCs have incredibly thick Aussie accents because to circumvent some of the racism and often are very haughty to other newer arrivals especially if they retain their country accents. The latter stick to their kind and certain neighbourhoods because that's how you would survive.
I could never put a finger to it why people seem friendly (the liberals who werent outwardly racist) but also it was very cold and superficial. Definitely a lot of resentment towards PoCs and Aboriginals.Ā
Difficulty in renting because other migrants from Europe (the less white areas?) outwardly resent anyone who looks Asian/PoC. Love the other comments reassuring the white Colombian that he would be fine while establishing that people who look brown just have worse experiences.Ā
sisyphusgolden@reddit
I know right?? The irony.
Theraminia@reddit
While I'm probably going to be safe from some of the shittier superficial or initial interactions, I think my accent and what not won't help me that much otherwise, no? My experience in Europe is that phenotype helps a lot against othering - but the othering remains to some extent unless your parents or grandparents were European. You are still an other at the end of the day - one that almost fooled them, maƱana, maƱana! (At least in the US in a lot of places people assume you are from there or just avoid the topic of questioning your Americanness, I'll give them that)
SharingDNAResults@reddit
Iām sorry. Australia is also apparently incredible Antisemitic. A lot of Jewish people are thinking about leaving. It seems like a country where youāll only fit in if youāre from a specific Anglo background.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Wow, I had not heard about this. This has really been an eye-opening thread for me.
_jay_fox_@reddit
I was shunned a lot growing up partly because I looked vaguely non-Anglo (some semitic background).
I always had more friends from recent-immigrant British or Asian, Indian backgrounds. One of them said I was one of the least racist people he ever met, I sure would like to believe so!
To be fair there are plenty of Anglo and part-Anglo people (myself included) who make a fair effort to be anti-racist and treat people fairly across other dimensions too. I'm not saying that to try and evade collective responsibility or as an excuse, but just to try and offer consolation and hope to anyone who had experiences similar to the OP.
There's a certain number of British-heritage people who seem to consider themselves somehow "more real" Australians and more entitled. Ironic considering how young Australia is (especially compared to the vast Indigenous history). Also ironic considering how important immigration was to the making of modern Australia.
I do feel a bit sorry for these people too because if someone who looks and talks like me seems like an outsider to them, they've certainly got another thing coming if they ever step out of their suburban / semi-rural bubbles! I hope they can get some kind of counselling or therapy to help them adjust to the diversity of modern Australia. Which I consider myself a champion of.
SharingDNAResults@reddit
Iām sorry that happened to you :( but Iām not surprised.
Acceptable_Radio2783@reddit
I'm in Australia, dual citizen, Australian though spent a lot of my youth overseas. While I don't know what it's like to be on the receiving end of racism, I've had my fair share of downright traumatic experiences with scummy, anti-social, uneducated lower class white Australians. Almost beaten up in a park in Hobart for being gay. I think the racism is also a class issue. People more likely to be uneducated, watch Sky News, etc., more likely to be racist.Ā I knowĀ it's easy to say, but please don't let a subsection of the population embitter your experience, steal your joy in a country that otherwise great country. It's their issue, not yours.Ā
alexauga@reddit
I was born and raised in Australia, my grandparents migrated from Italy after WW2.
When my grandfather opened his business here in the 1960/70s, the racism was arguably at an all time high, he even had a person pour a bucket of urine over his head. I experienced similar albeit not as extreme racism throughout my schooling.
While itās unfair to paint everyone with the same brush, I have a lot of a shame towards how this country treats migrants, particularly given these migrants worked incredibly hard and helped build the country to where it is today.
riddick32@reddit
Try Adelaide. It's like the "ok, we're not THAT big and we're fine with it" city.
elipticalhyperbola@reddit
Wait a year. Trust me. Weāre in the make or break stages of a political coup. There may not be a country to return to.
geo423@reddit
This is such hyperbole that Iām tired of seeing,
OP is a Native American, whose people have suffered through far more than a second term of a Trump presidency LMAO,
Also recent Supreme Court cases thanks to Gorsuch been delivering the biggest legal wins in modern history to Native American communities.
America will be fine, Trump win or loss.
bprofaneV@reddit
You know, I don't know if it will be fine. Making the 10 Commandments being posted in public schools an actual law underscores to me just how bad this will get. The Supreme Court justices are power chess pieces in this whole debacle. I'm not a 20 something year old female (of birthing age). So if I went back, I might not directly feel a lot of the laws that will be put in place. I might not experience having my pregnancy status checked when traveling in my own country. But I am seeing evidence that the US will not actually be just fine. Not this time.
Exciting_Fault_3920@reddit
I can relate to this sentiment.
geo423@reddit
You guys need to go offline and touch grass, and i mean that with all sincerity.
eastcoastleftist@reddit
Everything will be fine? Tell that to women who have lost bodily autonomy in most states, bud.
kombuchaqueeen@reddit
Australia is racist AF and they like to pretend the US is worse
Direct-Original-1083@reddit
I wonder how hate crime statistics look in US vs AUS, or when was the last time we had a prime minister that would refuse to openly oppose a nazi rally.
Maybe (or maybe not) racism is more pervasive in australia.. but I think the US is doing racism very differently to australia lmao
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Facts.
Sominiously023@reddit
If you leave your personal bias at home then youāll enjoy being in Australia. Most Aussie donāt care about your colour. They do care about your attitude.
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
Oh but they do otherwise I wouldn't have these first hand encounters with racists.
SlothySundaySession@reddit
What were your encounters?
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
Being asked offensive things. Hearing lots of racist and ignorant remarks about Asians and Asian immigrants. Etc..
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Give me some examples?
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
My first flat mate and I met for the first time at a public venue and he said he thought I was going to be white because I'm American. Couldn't hide his disappointment. Made it a habit to refer to white Americans as "American American" whenever we were having conversations.
One of his childhood friends found it amusing to share all of the "horror stories" of his two past Asian flatmates and how they cooked meals that stunk up the whole place, and how he'd leave the flat when the Filipino one would call his parents and speak Tagalog, because it sounded "awful sounding"
Direct-Original-1083@reddit
Google the many threads on worst/best sounding languages on reddit and look at how many will say vietnamese/thai/tagalog. SEA languages just don't sound nice to English speakers. Not racist.
And I think its pretty common knowledge that Asian cultures tend to cook food that has very different and strong smells to typical western food. If you are living with someone I can imagine that culturally this may be an issue. Not racist.
Obviously not defending the guy in the first paragraph. But I guess if you just completely redefine the word racist to whatever you want then yeah everyone in Australia is racist.
agency-man@reddit
There are dumbass/ignorant people everywhere and if you are sensitive you will have problems everywhere. I was expecting far worse scenarios.
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Exactly, I'm in a very civil country in Europe and I have seen some insane racism. Teenagers making monkey noises at POC, people called N word, discrimination towards even other countries due to old racist ideals ie they are lazy, they come to take our money etc
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Sounds like you have met some seriously ignorant ones, if they don't even understand how diverse America is just like Australia they aren't worth the oxygen.
The second guy just sounds like a complete dickhead. This is a prime example of this indirect racism we do, we single out the culture and instead of using the harsh words we tend to go about it in a more casual way.
You are going to get all types there, Sydney I would say it's odd because it's a blend of a lot of people. You would think these two fuck wits would be more open to others, but you can tell why they are friends.
I've been around the best of the country and the worst. There is a lot more of the best, and you might get a lot of ignorant questions, especially if you say you are Native American.
cheshire-kitten98@reddit
why do you fan gaslight OP bc youāre in denial of the stuff they are saying
SlothySundaySession@reddit
I'm definitely not in denial about it at all, I grew up in regional Australia and I know what racism is like and how it can be for people as my friends are from Asia, Mexico, Italian, Aboriginal and Scandinavian/Nordic backgrounds. Wasn't a day that went by that I didn't hear a racist joke or remark, but the cities now in the last 20 years aren't hostile at all. There are SO many people in the mix there.
But the major issue these days is people think you sneeze in their direction, it's racism. Someone asks you where you are from...racism....
They're an adult, he doesn't need you to fight for him.
loveracity@reddit
Saying that while living in Europe is rich. Must be nice to call others sensitive if you're not the one getting attacked or spit on, which absolutely still happens in major cities here. Not to mention the structural issues, but sure, racism is only the things you decide qualifies.
Sominiously023@reddit
It actually sounds like youāre hyper sensitive. Iāve been called a c@nt by more people of colour than you can imagine. If you allow every arrow to hit you square in the chest then maybe itās your issue and not everyone else.
aussiepete80@reddit
This is, unfortunately, a very common response from Australians. "We're not racist, you're just sensitive. Toughen up cnt etc." You being called names by PoC has absolutely no bearing on white Australians casual racist remarks at the expense of minorities. Ever consider, if so many poeple are calling you a cnt... There might be something to it?
Sufficient_Mirror_12@reddit
Nah - no need to diminish here.
Willing_Program1597@reddit
What? This is so ignorant and dismissive
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Respectfully, I disagree. Australians really see race. More than any other country that I have visited, except for Thailand.
jszly@reddit
Sorry thatās your experience OP. Iām black American and had a completely different experience living there. I found Sydney to be the most impossible city to make friends in though, and I already know tons of people there.
Melbourne was a bit easier and Brisbane was the most friendly iāve found. I made a group of 30 friends from all over the world and Aus in a month there. This was 2020 at that, and we are still friends.
I have a lot of Black, Aboriginal, Asian, Middle Eastern and African friends in Aus. I have no clue how iāve met them all but i will say it started with joining a group. no one on ones. That said Australians are very ignorant about race. Had a Fijian Indian Aussie (born and raised in Aus) tell me that all that bad stuff (kidnapping and stealing aboriginal land and violence) happened āthousands of years agoā š like idk what they learn about in school there if anything.
anyway please feel free to dm me i know tons of poc americans and others in sydney
FloozyInTheJacussi@reddit
I was literally talking about this with a couple of friends who moved to Australia. One isnāt white. They said the racism is overt and when it comes to Aboriginals, off the scale. Mind you, they said itās pretty sexist too.
7u45vb@reddit
Darwin is more multicultural but its a long time since I was there.
DoDoorman@reddit
I am from Arizona as well, I prefer Melbourne to any other place. People here are a lot more chill I feel.
witchbitch1988@reddit
OP, I have a question: what was the reason for the move to Australia?
R_canigetanamen@reddit
Omg Perth is not more accepting at all, it is so incredibly xenophobic, insular, and parochial. I am an Indian (albeit look more middle eastern or Latina, and also have a Canadian accent due to growing up in Canada, which makes me more āacceptableā and I am astounded by how bad it has been in Perth. People are nice to me but it still bothers me (obviously). I am making the move to Melbourne, hoping it is better there. Super backwards in Perth, would not recommend .
javelin3000@reddit
Hi OP, not sure if you are here in Australia for work or study, but if it's for work, try Singapore or Malaysia ( I am Malaysian but currently lives in Melbourne). These countries are safe, welcoming and multicultural.
Used_Apartment_5982@reddit
lol. Malaysia is not welcoming to all people
kittykisser117@reddit
Literally every corner of the earth has racism. Live your life.
PEsniper@reddit
If you think Australia is racist which it is (a bit), go to the middle east where they pay people based on the colour of their passports.
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
Australia is as racist as any other developed Anglo nation. They're all pretty racist tbh. I don't think one is more racist than the other. I do however believe they all deal with their racism very differently though.
Wise_Confection348@reddit
Shocking. I thought for Sure this is the most racist country but Australia like Canada and the US has seen there best days. They're all on a downward spiral with all there government issues along with inflation crime and racism. I'd look into Europe or Latin America. That's where I'll be one day. I had enough of the hate and crime in this country that the government almost seems to intentionally create. Think of that. The government promotes crime and racism. How far has the US fallen. Sad
Westonbury@reddit (OP)
I'm moving back to Arizona. I miss the landscape, food, people and the comfort of being around Native communities and being in my own country.
peterinjapan@reddit
Sorry, Australia isnāt working out for you. Iām an American living in Japan, and my half Japanese daughter went to high school in Queensland so I got to visit her and experience the country. Being Japanese, she sometimes felt awkward and not 100% welcome but every Australian goes out of the way to be super nice to Chinese people, because thatās what side of the bread. Their butter is on with all of the mining activity that benefits them because of China.
In the end, my thought is that you can only be happy in a country where you have an emotional connection to, and friends and family, which you apparently donāt have there. Perhaps take some time to work through it, and make sure youāre not making a short term mistake before making plans to return.
20Keller12@reddit
Disclaimer that I know next to nothing about it, but would it be easier/less racist if you moved somewhere with an aboriginal population?
If that word is incorrect I'm sorry, I know in the fanfic community we're always super careful to always write a/b/o because without the slashes it's a slur. So if the whole word is too I'm sorry, let me know and I'll correct it.
_jay_fox_@reddit
I'm sorry you had this experience.
Head-Plankton-7799@reddit
Another sure fire way to make friends fast is to join any local sport team or whatever sport you want, Australia loves sport so a great way to make friends is to join a team, it will create a sense of community.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
POC in Australia. I absolutely empathize with what you are experiencing. I can't wait to leave. https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/s/C6BbCa0N6t
SlothySundaySession@reddit
"POC in Australia. The constant stares are getting old. However, I'm doing my best to read, adjust, and adapt. If their energy appears curious, I smile in response. If their energy seems hostile I stare back. One thing is for certain - Australians definitely see and react to race."
Sorry but that's not racism.
ArbaAndDakarba@reddit
Stares and side-eye are defo symptoms of being surrounded by racist people.
Codadd@reddit
I have to agree that it's not. I'm a white guy in E Africa and I basically get the attention of a celebrity especially in rural areas. It's not inherently racist.
Australia though is known for racism, but let's not over exaggerate an already bad problem.
ArbaAndDakarba@reddit
U r dum
Codadd@reddit
Oh no. What will I do.
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Itās not, Iām not going to entertain it.
People staring is a sign of human
bunganmalan@reddit
I love your inability to not accept that the staring you get (curiosity) is different for others who receive hostile stares and can interpret physical energy better than you can. We can tell the difference between curious harmless stares vs cold hard ones that tell you, you don't belong here.Ā
SlothySundaySession@reddit
I love your inability not knowing how to separate racism, cultural and human norms. Some cultures are known to stare and make strong eye contact so that means they are racist? Because you feel uncomfortable with it doesn't mean it has a strong meaning behind it.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Didn't say it was. I just said I empathize with OP. Thanks for the lesson in racism though š.
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Stares isn't racism, and it depends on the comments. I get things like this in Europe "you don't look Australian, you look Irish...." It's not racism.."you have a accent", "yes, so do you" not racism.
I refuse to ride the wave of sensitivity on anything which includes race, culture, country of origin etc.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Stares can very much be a consequence of racism. Context matters. Over the course of my life, I have experienced overt and covert racism. I certainly do not need it defined by you or anyone else. I am likewise uncomfortable doing the same to anyone else no matter their color or ethnicity.
BearyRexy@reddit
I lived in Melbourne and one of the main reasons I left was the level of racism and just how acceptable it was. Iād lived in several places prior to that and so itās not like I had only experienced progressive placesā¦it was just jarring in the extreme. Itās also a pretty insular culture with people making friends in primary school and then going all the way to uni with them, so I think that deepens it somewhat.
trescoole@reddit
Op. As a Polish guy who grew up in America, I can tell you the one time I was in Australia I almost got in a fight with a bunch of locals because of how racist they were to an aboriginal woman. Iām sorry to hear it man. Truly. And F racists. On a deeply intrinsic level. Wish you best man.
Regular_Armadillo646@reddit
After living in Melbourne my entire life and recently moving to Sydney, I can say thereās no real difference between the two. The racism is deeply ingrained in this country and yes Australians deny it and love to bury their head in the sand.
pencilbride2B@reddit
Iām sorry your experience has been so terrible. I am not trying to minimise or deny your experience. But I just want to share my own. I spent a year living in Melbourne and I am East Asian. I did not experience overt racism at the level you are describing and most of my friends who were Asian, Indians and East Asians did not experience those levels of racism also. I am actually surprised by your experience.
However I acknowledge that I was studying at uni and talking a very progressive and liberal course. I also happen to hang out with a very liberal crowd and my white Australian friends are extremely inclusive. This is probably what shielded me from such experiences, but I had also not experienced racism day to day and from the people around me in the streets.
I guess I am writing this just to show that it is possible to live in Australia as a POC peacefully. Maybe Melbourne is just less racist?
rollingstone1@reddit
Love it how every person here blames the white Australian.
As an immigrant to Australia myself for the last 2 decades, Iāve heard racism out of every single race here. Itās not a white Australian problem. Itās a human issue.
bprofaneV@reddit
Agreed. I've heard every single culture express racism. But the Australians I have met seemed to feel a need to go above and beyond. And I've lived all over America. That said and to be fair, the absolute worst bottom feeder level racism I experienced there was in St. Louis and in New Mexico. A smallish group of racists killed a friend of mine at a bar in Albuquerque hosting a music festival for peace. He was Native American and had stepped outside for a cigarette when a white biker called him a "prairie n$gger". He said something back, and the rest of the bikers came and stabbed him. St. Louis...it was so pervasive, I just left after less than a year. It always amazes me it took so long for the riots in Ferguson, MO to happen. That whole area is messed up.
bprofaneV@reddit
I have heard, since Ozzies feel comfortable writing off entire groups of people allow me to do the same, that Australians are the worst people as far as lacking class, the way they drink, and their racist attitudes. I remember being in Ireland at a pub seeing some live music with my buddy. There was this odious woman from Sydney (tourist) who kept yelling at people in front of her to move because she couldn't see the musicians. The people she was yelling at were other musicians getting ready to join the session and were waiting for their song. My friend leaned over to her and said, "I fucking hate Australians and you underscore why" and made a slitting motion across his throat. She shrugged it off. I think she was absolutely used to being hated for entitled behavior and gave zero fucks about it.
Sorry you are in Sydney. When can you leave or what's your plan? Not sure if you went because of a job or school. I used to work in New Mexico for a few years. I live in Netherlands right now, and I tell you...I miss the food something fierce. And the landscapes. I spent a bit of time around Four Corners, Mogollon Rim, Phoenix, ABQ, Gallup and so on. Love that area of the world and I often think about going there if I return to the US. How do you feel about returning if Trump's elected? It does give me pause...
SlothySundaySession@reddit
So you will be racist, well done.
bprofaneV@reddit
The Aussie in this story was white. But Iāve seen the Irish experience racism and they are white. I wonder if being anti-Australian can be considered racist? When itās based especially on how racist they are. How does that extend to Nazis?
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Doesn't matter what colour you are, if you are racist towards another race you are racist.
It's not inclusive of skin colour.
bprofaneV@reddit
So is not liking a whole country because of its cultures racist? This is a real question. And if, let's say, I hate Florida because of making abortions murder, backwards attitudes and upholding the Ten Commandments being pinned to the walls of every public school, is that racist? Because that's my attitude to Australia.
Their attitudes to others who are different from them is to throw it in their face and make POC feel like outsiders who literally can't rent or enjoy similar things culturally that whites do.
But if me and my buddy hate a woman who is acting racist to Irish people and entitled and making a huge scene of it, fuck it. I don't care if it gets thrown back in her face.
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Lady was yelling because she couldn't see musicians. Bad behavior isn't racist automatically. Crazy entitlement, for sure.
Then your friend threatening to kill her, what are you thinking?
You can't tar a whole race of people based on a few experiences.
bprofaneV@reddit
True, in that moment it doesn't seem obvious because I didn't give the whole back story. Earlier she had been making some unfortunate statements about the Irish and leprechauns. As to the throat slitting, I thought was a bit far but that's my friend. He'd had enough of her. And in Ireland, expressing your self that way is pretty in step with how the culture works. Especially in Donegal. People are...more direct there when fed up. And they express those feelings in very specific ways. Especially when out enjoying pints...or trying to enjoy. Regardless, I'm interested in the nuance of hating racists being racist. And the difference between hating cultural expressions of idiocy and backasswardness and why throwing it back in someone's face is racism.
Why don't you jump all over the person who, on this very thread, who did a little jab at someone who was Israeli? Oh that's right. Way too messy, eh? I agree. I'm pro-Gaza now. But but but, I have so many Jewish friends. This world is no longer boiled down to the talking points we thought we knew about racism and discrimination. It' very complicated. At the end of the day, you and I want the same things. We are frustrated by racism. I think that sometimes, you just gotta throw the medicine back at the people who tried to force it down your throat in the first place. My patience wears thin.
kiryu-zero@reddit
I'm South Indian, born and raised in Melbourne. I know my parents experienced racism in their early days in the country, around 1995 to 2003? However, I personally haven't experienced racism or anything serious. Yes, I admit I've had mildly annoying comments made by a Greek girl I was friends with who would comment how pale she was compared to my brown skin or people assuming my name was hard to pronounce when it isn't. I think there's a certain privilege I have compared to immigrants, as I have an Australian accent but also grew up in a very ethnic area. From what I've heard from my siblings, them or their friends have received more comments from people of colour, not white people. A North Indian guy said we couldn't be South Indian because we weren't dark skinned enough. My sister's friend (of South Asian descent) received racist remarks from some Afghani girls on a bus.
mr10683@reddit
I mean with all due respect, that you didn't hear it doesn't mean it isn't the norm. Yes Melbourne or Canberra will be a bit more Open minded or covert about racism amongst white people, but to say it isn't an issue is a bit farfetched.
kiryu-zero@reddit
I'm not saying it isn't an issue. It definitely happens. Personally, I have never experienced racism, more colourist comments. There are definitely people out there who have experienced racism. Their experience and story are not mine.
proof_required@reddit
I have heard from my Indian friends when I was at the university and they went for some internship to Australia. Some random guy threw cold drink on his face from the car and asked him to go back home. I don't remember which state/city it was though.
kiryu-zero@reddit
Yea, I've heard many White-Australians seem to blame immigrants, especially international students, for apparently taking away their jobs and being the reason the housing market is a mess. Their own prejudices make them forget many locals often aren't educated enough to hold certain positions where immigrants have to fill in for them.
PoppyPopPopzz@reddit
I'm so sorry . Firstly im white and have never lived in aus but travelled 10000 miles ariound the outback and cities afew years back .Coming from London i was horrified by the racism It was everywhere. I had the ipportunity to move and turned it down. I also dont know why any POC would emigrate there
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Not sure why you would be surprised? Regional England is the same, everywhere they don't have exposure to others is like this.
PoppyPopPopzz@reddit
I get your point about provincial England but i found it even in big cities in Australia
realone3500@reddit
News flash. People feel the same way in America. (And other countries)
They just lie to your face in America.
If you prefer dishonesty to truth, then the USA is for you. If you prefer honesty, then Australia is for you.
Soft_Welcome_5621@reddit
Never been but heard good things about Melbourne
javelin3000@reddit
Melbournian here. Unfortunately it's not much better.
sisyphusgolden@reddit
Same here. I keep hearing it's better there. Looking forward to visiting.
Dry_Personality8792@reddit
it will be the same if your audience is white aussies. It won't change by post code.
Soft_Welcome_5621@reddit
Damn. Well. Makes me feel better about never going yet.
javelin3000@reddit
Unfortunately it's not much better in Melbourne, and Perth is even worse.
kilmister80@reddit
There definitely is, and casual racism is quite common in everyday life. I think because it's a young country and has a well-marked history of racism, like the "White Australia Policy" that was only abolished in 1973, there are many people still alive who were raised and who raised their children based on that policy, and this culture continues to predominate.
My curiosity is, what is the most progressive city with the least racism in the country? Melbourne perhaps?
Careful-Image8868@reddit
Most Australians Iāve met are awful so not surprising.
Prinnykin@reddit
Try Melbourne.
I grew up in Sydney and I saw a lot of racism towards POC. Just donāt move to Queensland, itās 100x worse up here.
pequisbaldo@reddit
Hmm I heard about this often, the covert racism, and in not saying itās not true because, well, itās your experience, but I personally didnāt feel it. I worked in a field were most of my coworkers were white and I wasnāt. I didnāt feel any racism against me, I am Hispanic and it shows. People were curious but thatās it. This was over the course of 7 years in Sydney. Maybe Iām just oblivious, I donāt know.
ArbaAndDakarba@reddit
Yeah.
Melbourne is more integrated and classier too. It wasn't a penal colony.
I remember going through the process of integrating in Sydney, and it wasn't easy. There are some severely white spaces there. And looking back, the defining characteristic of Australians but especially Sydneysiders was being aggressively inconsiderate, especially in group settings.
I also witnessed more drunken violence there than anywhere else I've lived. It's a city of contradiction though because it also felt very safe overall.
The one year mark for an immigrant is the worst though. The honeymoon is over. You've had time to accumulate negative experiences, but not enough to feel comfortable in the new place. That takes me 3 years.
And after 5 years, it's home. You see past the stuff that used to stick out, including the discomfort of being othered.Ā
Wish I could be your buddy but we moved on. Far too expensive there.
DannyFlood@reddit
Can you try some other countries? Thailand for example is a very welcoming place to all types of people. People from all over the world fall in love with the country and don't want to leave, I myself spent five happy years there.
water5785@reddit
Did you move for work??
sisyphusgolden@reddit
OP - I'm a POC from America in Australia. Please feel free to DM if you want.
aussiepete80@reddit
I agree there's a huge issue with racism here, especially towards Asians which Australia has a long history with. But there are plenty of Australians that recognize this and are not that way. Largely those that have traveled more. I don't think any one city is better or worse than any other, you just need to find a click of prople that feel the same. I lived in the US for 20 years and now Adelaide. If you stop by for a visit I'd happily grab a coffee / beer with you and talk sht about aussie oddities.
Dry_Personality8792@reddit
But you are not acting like ' mi gual' from Ready Steady Cook'? those are the 'Spanish' we like, you know, more European like. As if this didn't happen over 50 years ago in the US with I love Lucy.
And a few weeks ago the biggest IPO of the year went off in the ASX of a Mexican fast food joint, Gomez and Guzman. What a great amazing accomplishments for our hispanic immigrants , a proud moment...oh wait, the founders are two freaking white dudes. we couldn't even find two Mexican tacos dudes to support, because you know, there aren't many floating around.
Willing_Program1597@reddit
A lot of people talk about the racism in Australian.
As a general rule, research well before moving to a country well on this regard if youāre a poc. Canāt avoid it completely but yeah
If youāre unhappy Iād def move
Soft_Welcome_5621@reddit
Never been to Brisbane but also supposed to be nice? Sorry youāre having that. Sadly many people are racist - hope you find some supportive safe community
stucknlab@reddit
Brisbane doesnt have the crowd based anger problem, its much calmer than Sydney, but is unapologetically, openly racist. Good expat communities for Uni though.
Soft_Welcome_5621@reddit
Well Iāve never been to Australia just trying to help youd know better!
Sweaty-Role5566@reddit
Once I had an Australian girl and an American girl before Covid.. I had to decide which one I would marry to, I chose the American one. I met both on carnival ship and now Iām living in america, great life, great place to live in ( Destin FL)
early_exit@reddit
There might be a dumber reply OP could get, but pretty sure yours is the absolute dumbest.
Sweaty-Role5566@reddit
I donāt care thatās true tho lol