which nordic countries would be the best to move to?
Posted by Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 127 comments
hi guys, i'm an italian who is about to graduate in MSE, and i'd like to move in one of the nordic countries.
I love their work life balance, good salaries and access to nature, and i don't mind the harsher winters (even tho, i'd probably handle Oslo much better than tromso for instance).
and, probably uncommon, i also dream of having a homestead with a reasonable commute, rather than living in the city where i work (ik my growing season would be basically just summer, especially in like iceland).
Right now the ones that seems to intrigue me the most are iceland and Norway, what do you think about it?
m3skalyn3@reddit
As a fellow South European (Portugal) that moved to a Nordic country (Sweden) a year and half ago, I would say none...
I absolutely hate it here and want to move back as soon as I can...
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
Would you mind sharing why?
m3skalyn3@reddit
Really apart from the crap weather in winter, the really long nights and the the tasteless food (, because those are the easy parts to deal with, when moving to Sweden)
The culture of introversion, the closed society, the conformity of society (everyone really looks, dresses, and thinks almost the same and they will outcast you if you don't), every native expecting for you to assimilate, but will not go out of their way to teach basic stuff about language and social queues - while always giving the impression that you (or your kids if you have them there) will never be "true" Swedes. The "don't brag" (law of Jante) attitude, but always having the impression that "the Swedish way" of doing things is the best in the world. The most "never leave your comfort zone" attitude that I have ever seen in the world.
The lack of social interactions in general, any cultural activities apart from "Fika" at the office (but always with very superficial and shallow topics)
The "fear" that they have of being confrontational and to not offend anyone, but end up being super passive aggressive if they disagree with you...
The "boredom" of cities and of the people, cities that have zero cultural offer nor stuff to do in your free time, no nightlife, no nothing.... The only "entertainment" that a Swede can think of is "going to the woods alone".
I am really tired of living in this place, really want to pack my bags, board the plane and never come back here.
Hopefully by the end of the year
probablyaythrowaway@reddit
Sounds like Scotland.
m3skalyn3@reddit
I guess that at least the Scots go to the pub on a weekend and socialise there... Swedes can't even do that properly
Mirichanning@reddit
Yes but you will destroy your liver in a couple of months, as socialising always will involve copious amounts of alcohol. Expats usually cannot follow the pace of drinking .
Vudatudi@reddit
à quel point ? I plan to move one year to Édimbourg, for a studying school year at the UOE. I'd love to socialize with scotts rather than hangin out only with int folks. What distinguish they culture so much from french/british one ?
Mirichanning@reddit
Enjoy your experience when it comes!
Vudatudi@reddit
huh
Alarmed-Sandwich86@reddit
Scusa ma la Svezia non è ilmsognomdimtuttimoer le ragazze belle e estroverse?!sta cadendo un mito
stuputtu@reddit
lol this is my experience in Germany, Norway and Sweden. The long nights and dead winters brings literal depression to my life. I have zero idea how they all rank so high on happiness index. I was happy many many other places with much less than what I had in those Nordic countries.
NoArtichoke2627@reddit
I think if you are raised in the environment, you find it very comfortable and enjoyable.
by-the-willows@reddit
As a Romanian living in Germany, it's like you described my life in this country. Hope to move back home in a year or two. Good luck to you as well!
sertorius42@reddit
I’m moving to Romania later this year after a few years in England, where I found people overall less friendly than what I’m used to (I’m from the U.S.), what should I expect in Romania?
Time_In_The_Market@reddit
Romania is an incredible country! The people are very welcoming and friendly. We are from the US and have been traveling for a year and 4 months. Romania has been our favorite country we’ve visited so far mainly because of the people but also the beautiful medieval cities and nature in Transylvania.
ochi-si-urechi@reddit
Which countries did you visit already?
Time_In_The_Market@reddit
We have been to Portugal, Netherlands, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Georgia, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland and of course Romania. We are currently in Latvia, just arrived 5 days ago and will be here for 2 1/2 months.
ochi-si-urechi@reddit
It's nice to get some appreciation and love from foreigners. Us, Romanians, are our worst critics. Maybe it is not a perfect country and we still have a long way to go until we fix what needs to be fixed, but it is a beautiful country with many nice people nonetheless. I consider moving back home after living for over a decade in Germany and it's mostly my people that discourage me with their negative comments
Time_In_The_Market@reddit
It’s hard for people living there to relate to what you’ve done living in Germany for 10 years. That’s a tough decision but you will have to do what’s best for you. Especially if you’ve been able to save and invest a lot during your time there. Coming back with a nice investment account and passive income would definitely change the parameters for your decision.
Most of our friends and family back in the US cannot relate to us and always come up with “reasons” why they could “never” do what we are doing.
Best of luck to you whichever you decide.
CompanionCone@reddit
The Netherlands is also exactly like this.
LifeEnginer@reddit
No, it is not, I have been living in both countries, Sweden and Netherlands and they are very different, I even call the country: "Tropical Netherlands".
LifeEnginer@reddit
Where do you live in Sweden?
m3skalyn3@reddit
Västerås, a town even known Inside Sweden to be a notorious boring hell-hole
ukelelemouse@reddit
OP I’m seconding this. Seriously consider that between harsh, dark, long winters (where it seems nobody leaves their house) and a culture of introversion, it can be very difficult to make friends and connections.
It’s very normal here in Denmark for Danes to maintain friendships with those they meet in school, and not have room in their schedules to invite in any more
Hour_Equivalent_656@reddit
I'm a Dane, but grew up outside Denmark, married to an Estonian. Both of us came to Denmark as adults. My wife identified this very quickly and found that it was easier to get a large network of friends from the immigrant / expat population, where everyone wants to find friends, but struggle to become friends with Danes.
My advice to anyone moving to Scandinavia is to get hold of the many expat groups on Facebook because it's a whole lot easier than making friends with Danish people.
Puzzleheaded-Value36@reddit
I feel for you, sounds like you’ve had a rough adjustment. I moved here a few months ago. Perhaps it’s easier for me because I live in Stockholm and my wife is Swedish, because I’ve been pretty welcomed socially, although the jantelag thing is impossible for me to understand as an American.
pseudoburn@reddit
I worked for a Danish company. Until I learned about the Laws of Jante, I had a hard time understanding their actions and priorities. After learning of the laws, things got a lot easier to understand and anticipate. Follow the general patterns of the laws instead of trying to understand them as an American, as I am.
A Danish friend said they came about during times when a small disaster such as a barn fire could mean starvation and death for a family of the community didn't come to their aid, hence the high value on equal standing.
Vinterlerke@reddit
This doesn't sound like it's something unique to Denmark/Scandinavia though. If this hypothesis is sufficient, then the Jante law (or its equivalent) would appear in almost every single country.
pseudoburn@reddit
Could be a combination of vaguely common cultural values and harsh winters, and/it other factors. The Laws were helpful for me to see patterns.
Blackberryy@reddit
Sorry, but did you do like any research before you moved?
DatingYella@reddit
It’s really hard to anticipate the scope of cultural issues like this and how they can really impact you before moving to a place I think.
Even then, if you haven’t moved tons different country before you may think these are factors that won’t affect you, only for them to affect you ways you don’t anticipate.
m3skalyn3@reddit
Yes, I did and in fact I had previously worked for the Danes and even spent many months in Denmark (even on small cities in Midtjylland) on business trips.
My error was thinking that Sweden would be similar to it, but in fact it is much much worse...
domsolanke@reddit
Facts, Denmark is better than Sweden in every aspect tbh.
DatingYella@reddit
My tour guide on a walking tour in Copenhagen who bashed Sweden 17 times would agree.
wandm@reddit
This sounds like Sweden. I believe Denmark and Finland would both be a tad less conformist. Don't know about Norway.
by-the-willows@reddit
From what I've read on the internet, Norway seems to be the least accommodating to foreigners from all the Nordic countries
IMOaTravesty@reddit
It's a sad cult that circle jerks each other. 20 years there and I'm tired of constant discrimination and boring people that behave like robots.
airsoftshowoffs@reddit
This is a copy and past for Norway as well.
Jackie213123@reddit
As someone who have lived here for over a decade I agree with most your points. The strict social norms made we want to emigrate to US after I get my degree. Something that helped me here however is having non-swedish friends that I can relate to, and finding swede friends who are well traveled and thus behave as normal people.
levitate900@reddit
Nicely expressed, it sounds quite similar to Finland too.
DatingYella@reddit
Seems like a very common sentiment for people from southern European countries
by-the-willows@reddit
If I were an Italian who could earn a decent income, I'd never ever trade Italy for a Nordic country
SweetAlyssumm@reddit
This was my thought. Leaving the beauty, the food, the culture, the friends and family, the sun for a place where it's dark and cold much of the year?
Character-Finger4207@reddit
I think you romanticize living in Italy way too much! Have you ever living there?? Every single Italian grow up dreaming of leaving the country at some point somehow... You totally don't know how life in Italy is
by-the-willows@reddit
Add to that social isolation
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
i get what you mean, but as someone who leaves here, sadly highly specialized workers are not well compensated for their time studying (outside medical field).
And while in places like Milan, salaries can seem "kinda good" (around 1.7k euros for first jobs) you're basically living paycheck to paycheck when factoring the crazy high rent.
If you manage to have a good career away, and have a job offer as a manager, or something high in the corporate ladder, things change
alt-right-del@reddit
Also keep in mind that average education levels in the Nordics are high —
you sadly won’t stand out with a MSE, not even a PhD. You need to bring something extra.
Be happy where you are it is not worth the rub — your CoL is so much better now ☺️
airsoftshowoffs@reddit
I think you do not understand how expensive life is in Nordic countries. Yes you may see a high salary on paper but taxes, rent, food and the clothing eats it all up. Owning things like a car will eat the remaining cents. Most people go hiking and do matpakke(lunchpaks) as eating out etc only for special times due to the costs.
by-the-willows@reddit
I guess it depends on what your priorities in life are
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
that is also true
Revolutionary-Swan58@reddit
Italian here too who lived in Finland, Sweden and Norway. Only country worth moving to is Finland ( Helsinki). The rest is utter crap. Culturally they are worlds apart from us and their cockiness is just next level. Only good things are the amazing nature and very beautiful people if you’re single
linamatthias@reddit
Hi!! I think I will move to Finland soon and these answers on this post are just depressing. I'm portuguese. Can you please share why you preferred Finland?
Revolutionary-Swan58@reddit
Finland and in particular Helsinki is a good match for southern EU people. Finnish ppl are reserved but down to earth and not as cocky as other Scandinavians. You’ll find a perfectly functioning society, bit shy but extremely genuine people and a vibrant expat community! Best of luck :)
tidygambler@reddit
Unless you want to taste depression, none of them.
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
Why would you say that?
HelonMead@reddit
I think it is because of the long nights and very seldom sunshine during the 6-7 months long winter season. We have had a trip to Oslo in early March and while the city was lovely, the weather was very depressing. People are way less friendly or open.
Btw. As an average everything is double as expensive as in Italy.
All in all, it's a cultural shock in the long run.
If I were you, I would go to Switzerland, Germany, the Netherlands, Canada or the United States or spend at least a month in the winter in any Scandinavian country before you pull the trigger.
wandm@reddit
Well, the climate in Denmark isn't much different from England. If the long winters are a problem, choose Denmark, or the Southern tip of Sweden.
HelonMead@reddit
It is not the climate itself since you can have plenty of snow and cold in Switzerland, Austria, Canada or in the Northernmost part of Italy. It is the climate plus the very short winter daylight plus the even fewer sunshine hours plus the very different local mimdset and the high costs of living are the things together which could make the total package very unpleasant and depressing for someone from Southern European regions.
But these are definitely my subjective opinions and I am sure there are thousands of Italians with above average willpower working and living in Scandinavia for better money.
SaumiP@reddit
I love Italy been here for 7 years now but the pay and high expenses especially after this stupid war of putin I don't know if I can sustain with this shit salary but other than that life is good
by-the-willows@reddit
Lol, I love the way you described it. I'd say sometimes it's not about willpower though, just following your gut feeling. Some prefer to make money a priority, some choose other priorities
tidygambler@reddit
Hard to make friends, limited progress and promotions at work, a hint of xenophobia even when you are from EU. In general, I just found it suffocating and closed up. But don’t take my word for it as it varies from person to person.I know quite a few who are happy in Norway despite the harsh winters.
IMOaTravesty@reddit
The glory days in Scandinavia are done for. Weather sucks, people are 2 shades north of a cardboard cutout and lastly very discriminating in the work place.
LifeEnginer@reddit
" i don't mind the harsher winters " said somebody who never experiencia one..., don't underestimate this issues...
Hour_Equivalent_656@reddit
I moved to Denmark as a young adult and honestly never realised just how much the constant wind and long winters ground you down. The cold started at least a month earlier than I was used to, and continued two months longer. Denmark is also nowhere near as cold or dark as the other Nordic countries.
Blackberryy@reddit
Right. It’s not just the temperature. It’s the lack of sun and isolation that really makes an impact.
Time_In_The_Market@reddit
Not everyone is into the sun. My wife and I experience SAD’s during summers. For most people it would impact them in the winter but the constant sunlight and heat really bring us down.
Qqqqqqqquestion@reddit
Ever been north of the artic circle for a few years? Try it first..
Time_In_The_Market@reddit
Being in the Nordic countries vs. being north of the Arctic Circle for “a few years” are not comparable. That would be like me saying to a someone that worships the sun and loves being in the sun, “ever lived in death Valley or the Gobi desert try that for a few years first”
Lysenko@reddit
From Iceland here. The difficulty with moving to Iceland without a job lined up is that the country is so incredibly small.
The entire nation of Iceland is about the population of the city of Florence. Moving to Reykjavík and expecting to then find a job in your profession in a reasonable time without a fluent command of Icelandic is unrealistic.
Also, for various reasons, the rental market here is grossly unreasonable, and getting a mortgage requires having some financial history here. Unless you have €500,000 to buy a home outright, housing is likely to be a significant challenge.
A larger nation (any larger nation) will give you a lot more room to find a spot where you fit. I have been incredibly lucky here, but I came to Iceland ten years ago, and I don’t know that I could have pulled that off today.
jellybreadracer@reddit
Agreed. You want to be able to find others jobs in your country of choice if you are not just sampling a country. Also investiment in a small Nordic language is not insignificant. Would recommend Denmark or Sweden for their more dynamic job market. Sweden is a great compromise between Norway and Denmark with beautiful landscape and a largish population
DatingYella@reddit
It seems like they are very suboptimal in terms of letting newcomers feel like they can fit in no?
DatingYella@reddit
500K for a house in an island so far up north that you won't even see sunlight for most of the year... I can think of a better way to spend that much money.
starryfrog3@reddit
Both Norway and Iceland are very expensive (cost of living/rent/food shop/etc compared to say, Italy or Spain); make sure you have quite a bit of money (if not a job lined up already) to sustain you whilst you job-hunt.
Getting that out of the way, make sure you learn the language of wherever you intend to go; not all countries are fully accommodating to English, and if you end up in a smaller town or outskirts, then you'll really need basic language skills to get by. (Also shows interest in integrating and really being part of the place)
Make sure you really, really don't mind harsher winters. I used to think that (being someone that isn't particularly fond of the heat) and northern europe winters kicked my ass pretty hard, suffered from SAD.
All that being said; go for it wherever you see better job prospects! There's always plenty of time to see if you get used to a place or if you want to switch things up. Best of luck!
Pretend-Equal-8763@reddit
We Italians are immigrants, not expats.
Spider_pig448@reddit
You can be both
Global_Weirding@reddit
Username checks out
Dizzy-Height-5833@reddit
Norway is lovely, and the easy access to nature is everywhere, even if you live in a bigger town or city.
However, you might be underestimating how hard and expensive farming is up north. It’s better to think of it as a hobby, not as something your livelihood depends on. If you land a remote /hybrid job, you can find a place with some land relatively near all the bigger cities and even capitals everywhere in the Nordics, many younger people have done it (for example in Finland there’s a small “back to the country” trend from Helsinki, but it’s mostly people with established careers who renovate a picturesque old house and keep a few chicken, maybe some goats and potentially farm organic vegetables, not anything commercially viable).
Try to take some time off to travel around the nordics in October-February. The summers are lovely up here, but the 8 months of spring-autumn is different.
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
The “back to nature” you describe is exactly what i’d love to do! I am not looking for a second source of income (i dont have time with a full time job to handle such a big farm), just a hobby with the plus of beong to chip off the grocery bill
Dizzy-Height-5833@reddit
Contrary to the popular opinion, I think your plan is very viable. People in this sub love to hate the Nordic countries and their “cold, miserable people”, I know many from southern Europe who have made their home here.
I mentioned to the other poster, but if you enjoy Nordic nature, the “every man’s rights” (allemansrätter In Swedish) are a big plus for you - you can ramble around forests, pick wild berries and mushrooms freely, as long as you don’t disturb the habitat. These rights are protected by law in Norway, Sweden and Finland, which means you mostly don’t have to worry about trespassing while hiking. Private areas must be clearly marked. The Italians I know here go wild in the porcini season which starts mid summer!
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
That is wonderful! I was considering norway opposed to sweden for earning potential and “ease of language” (apparently norwegian should be easier to earn for english speakers, even if it sounds complicated)
Dizzy-Height-5833@reddit
I forgot completely from my long replies to you the easiest and very common solution to working in the city/wanting to live on the country side and have a garden in the Nordics: summer cottages! (Sommarstuga in Swedish)
You’ll find them at different prices and with different amenities (nowadays many will have electricity and access to public water etc, whilst some might still be more old fashioned). If you don’t need access to the sea/lake from your own yard, you might find something lovely even quite near the largest cities.
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
Love you, thx
Dizzy-Height-5833@reddit
Good luck!!
Dizzy-Height-5833@reddit
I think they’re equally fine. (I’m Finnish and have lived in both, longer in Sweden.) Both are very “long” countries and the difference between northern parts and the southern most parts is quite stark. (Personally, northern Scandinavia is beautiful but too northern for me, and impossible to grow anything in…)
Norway has better wages but groceries and other living costs are so expensive that Norwegians who live near the border do their shopping in Sweden! I think Norway is the most close to nature of these, everyone scampers off to the fjord on weekend, to use a cliche.
For me, Sweden feels the most culturally close to continental Europe, also geographically if you live in the south. I really think you need to travel and see for yourself! Visit in the summer so you see the lush countryside, then in the winter so you see the stark contrast.
I studied Swedish at school so can’t comment on the difficulty. Compared to German it’s an easy language, and if you speak it Norwegian is easy to pick up and vice versa. The easiest Nordic language for Italians to pronounce would be Finnish :) Nevermind the grammar.
maybeimgeorgesoros@reddit
Can always take up mycology, and grow mushrooms.
Dizzy-Height-5833@reddit
You don’t need to grow mushrooms in the Nordic countries, you pick them in the forest, for free.
kierandes1@reddit
If you are willing to put up with Nordic style weather, try Ireland. Strong economy, good culture and friendly people. Only it's kind of expensive. If you were considering Sweden mind you, it's meant to be equally as expensive. Though there's beautiful countryside, decent food and jobs ( if you are in IT or pharma particularly).
Practical_Plant726@reddit
From your description of your professional profile, sounds like you could do quite well in countries like Germany or the Benelux. Not Nordic, but we have harsh winter in Belgium for sure 🤣
fraxbo@reddit
I’ve lived in Finland [5.5 years) and Norway (almost 3 years and counting…).
I would never move back to Finland, even though I have many friends there and have visited at least once a year since moving away 15 years ago.
For me, the culture is too focused on achieving its desired outcomes (largely ones that I agree with) through bureaucratic policy making. What this means is that they end up being quite officious and inflexible in various everyday situations. This inflexibility and handling everything through (good) policy rather than (good) people often makes things run reasonably well, but can be dehumanizing if you’re not educated into the system from an early age.
It’s also by far the most (culturally) pietistic country of the Nordics and so embraces the lower salaries and “duller” values associated with Protestant pietism (again not in a religious sense) to a greater extent than others. So, unless you share the Finnish values and way of achieving those values from the beginning, I find it a very hard place to live.
Norway has quickly become one of my favorite places to live out of all (see flair for a short biography). I find the culture much more flexible than Finland (and famously more flexible than Sweden). The Norwegians basically share the cultural values of Finland, but don’t primarily achieve them through bureaucracy. Things are done on a more personal level. I also find the culture and especially the nature itself to be more exciting. The population diversity (which is actually rather high in all the Nordic countries now! see OECD statistics on first and second generation immigration) has an impact on Norway and Norwegians in a way that I do not see in other places. The natural diversity is just in another stratosphere than Sweden, Finland, or Denmark. All three of those are essentially boring natures unless you’re going far north or very far outside of cities. In Norway all the big cities have access to huge amounts of stunning nature within he city and accessible by public transit. Plus, the work-life balance is like night and day compared to Finland (and also Germany since someone unthread mentioned it). Your job is just something you do. It is not part of your identity in any very strong way. Nobody questions the value of your personal/family time.
From visiting and speaking with Danish colleagues, I think I could live in Denmark, though there I’d be concentrated on living an urban life. Danes seem fun-loving like the Norwegians (maybe even more), but a bit more work-hard, play-hard and sticklers for the rules than the Norwegians. I would not say the same about Sweden, which to me seems like a slightly milder form of Finland (though with a lot more attention to diversity).
SlothySundaySession@reddit
Very well said, I live in Finland now and I agree with everything you have shared.
I_SIMP_YOUR_MOM@reddit
If you want a balance between weather and job availability just go to Germany. Northern countries are economically good but they have depressing winters.
Strict-Armadillo-199@reddit
So does Germany
DatingYella@reddit
It seems like norways better. The salaries are high.
IMOaTravesty@reddit
Salary in Norway isn't high anymore since the NOK has basically tanked last few years.
DatingYella@reddit
Ah. Well of the two, it should have the advantage in population and sunlight.
airsoftshowoffs@reddit
Then life in the USA would be the best if you chase salary in paper. It os not that simple.
DatingYella@reddit
Well. OP gave us two options. I was picking from them. Personally really liked Oslo also.
Going to the US is Abe entirely different beast. It requires work authorization, where for OP that’s not an obstacle in either Iceland and Norway.
It just seems like to the small size of Iceland, the lack of sun year round, and the fact it’s not known for high salary like Norway would be too much. My thought is that professional growth, salaries begin to matter when you lose your childhood and family network, and have to adjust to an unfamiliar culture with unfamiliar food.
You need those things for the migration process to be worth it.
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
Thx
syce_ow@reddit
Idk i hve heard Nordic countries are the most racist part of EU (relatively ofcourse)
domsolanke@reddit
It’s somewhat homogenous societies, sure, but racist? Lol. Not sure what you’d categorize Serbia, Belarus, Hungary etc. as then.
syce_ow@reddit
Yeah I said 'relatively' , as compared to most other popular immigrant destinations in EU.
The ones you mentioned tbh i don't know much about ,as I have never heard of many immigrants there at all, I just meant the popular ones.
I_SIMP_YOUR_MOM@reddit
Nah it’s definitely Hungary and Austria
allthebeautifultimes@reddit
I'm Norwegian, and I love Norway. However, trying to take an unbiased perspective, I would go with Iceland if you want to be surrounded by beautiful nature and you don't mind not having access to a major city. I would go Denmark if you're willing to sacrifice beautiful nature for a bustling city. Copenhagen is one of my favourite capitals, and in my experience there are good local train links to smaller towns like Helsingør. I don't know how good it is for farming unless you're looking for a windmill farm, though. It's definitely got much less dramatic nature than Iceland or Norway, but there is a certain understated beauty in the meager hills and long grass. If you want to go to Norway, Bergen might be a good option for combining nature and city.
CompanionCone@reddit
Get yourself a remote job with a Northern EU or US company and stay in Italy. You'll have more money leftover at the end of the month and live a much better lifestyle.
painter_business@reddit
Try Switzerland
anonymuscular@reddit
Why not Switzerland, Austria, Luxembourg, Netherlands, or Germany?
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
Im actually considering those, i just wanted to hear experience regarding nordic countries from people.
The reason im thinging about making the jump is essentially the low ppl densitiy snd access to nature
GodspeedHarmonica@reddit
All are great or all can be horrible depending on how much effort you put into social interaction. Nordic people don’t hand out friendships for free.
by-the-willows@reddit
It's like they make it extra hard
GodspeedHarmonica@reddit
No, it is not hard for them. It is hard for those who don’t know the culture and expect it to be like in their home country. I’m a foreigner who has lived in Sweden, Norway and now in Denmark. I’ve never had any problems making friends. It takes time and effort but once you make a friend they are extremely loyal.
I’ve met so many foreigners here complaining and whining how difficult it is, but at the same time the don’t want to make any effort.
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
Would you mind elaborating? In still learning about those cultures!
by-the-willows@reddit
Good for you!
SeanBourne@reddit
Out of curiosity, why would you pick a Nordic country, and not say Germany or Switzerland? You get all the benefits (work/life balance, access to nature, good salaries) but lower taxes, better long term career trajectories, better weather (and less extreme lack of daylight in winter), better food (by far), more to do outside of nature, more cosmopolitan populations, nothing quite as extreme as jante law, etc.
Seems like you get all the benefits (and more), with the downsides significantly muted.
Acrobatic-Brush9208@reddit (OP)
Honestly? Im still deciding. On one part i am probably an outlier that fw colder climates better than my peers. I was looking at norway because the low population density and its access to nature (and the fact that is imbeded in their culture) intrigues me
The only rhing that scares me are the people, but i read the same thing abouth besically non meditarranean countries
Daemien73@reddit
As a fellow Italian who had this experience 25 years ago, I would recommend seeking a contract from a northern country that allows for remote work. I have taken into consideration the current political climate in Italy and the outdated attitudes towards issues like LGBTQ+ rights (as a gay man myself). After years of frustration, I am starting to see progress and hope for change now that I am allowed to work remotely. I am currently living in Belgium, but I have also lived in Stockholm (which was a nice experience because it only lasted 18 months ) and the Netherlands (which was the least enjoyable ).
airsoftshowoffs@reddit
Norway is cold, frozen and dark for most of the days. All the ads you see is the 4 months of good weather. Additionally it was voted as the worst country for new comers and foreingers to fit in. The people already have their friends from school and people do not talk to you so immegrants will only friend immegrants. Norway is all about spreaking fluent Norweigan(3 years or more in the country, at least a local certified B1 exam but ideally C1 which takes 5 or more years), you might speak some english buying things in oslo, but for jobs, you will be skipped which also leads the a unemployment of immegrants of 30% versus 4% for norweigans. Most are unemployed for years here with only partime jobs like delivery, cleaner or fast food being available. It is a mono culture so only doing and acting Norweigan is recognized and celebrated. People are highly skilled in the workforce so having a Masters degree is common. Norweigan people may seem cold also at the start becuase being a introvert and keeping away for others is the norm. So loneliness and mental health at a old age suffers. Things are extrememly expensive The nice things are clean, forests and nature safety.
mmxmlee@reddit
denmark without question.
maybe Norway if you marry a local.
No-Definition-7976@reddit
None, coming from a European that has the option to move there and would move anywhere but there tbh
Feisty_Artist_2201@reddit
I don't find their winters harsh but just too dark for too long. lol. Can't really recommend any because I also don't like it when the population is too small. And the food... Can an Italian deal with their dark winter, food that's not great, introverted people...? I'm generalising, but I hope you considered them.
bulletinyoursocks@reddit
Depends at what time of the day you'd prefer depression to kick in.
ApprehensiveStudy671@reddit
I know people from several countries (including Spain) who moved to Sweden and they all seem to be doing well and like it. They're very skilled and have good jobs though.
I think Sweden's economy is more diversified than Norway's and opportunities are more abundant specially if you learn Swedish.
I've never been to either country but know people in both. I did work with Swedish people years back when I was in Ireland. Lovely people !!
dallyan@reddit
I’m also from a southern country and imma say none. lol
Creative-Road-5293@reddit
Is it easy to get a job in Norway as an eu citizen?
EnjoyerOfPolitics@reddit
Norway is a good option just keep in mind thay housing in big cities is extremely expensive (as with most Europe).
And even if you are a skilled worker they are very protective of their labour market so you may not get a job if you don't speak Norwegian. (Knew fellow mechanical and manufacturing engineers that couldn't get a job because they didn't speak Norwegian so they worked in the kitchen with me in a ski resort while learning Norwegian on the side )
sylvestris-@reddit
Go to Iceland or to a country which language/s you are able to master at the fluent level.
Lysenko@reddit
Good that you distinguished those, because Iceland is not such a country for most people. 🤣
Ok-Peak-@reddit
Norway is fabulous! I know it can be harsh for some, but in all honesty, it has been great for us.
The hardest part is probably to get a job. Try to secure it before moving. It will help you lots.