Solid wind for last night’s racing

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Slabcitydreamin@reddit

Was gonna guess the Columbia River Gorge. Isn’t Hood River the windsurfing capital of the World?

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Canuhandleit@reddit

I dunno, think Préa, Brazil takes the cake.

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foilrider@reddit (OP)

It’s definitely been called that

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VariationOk3647@reddit

Aw man, I used to live in Hood River but haven’t discovered sailing at that point. Looks like I really missed out!

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CarteBlanchDevereau@reddit

Oh man, we got nothing last night in Portland. I had to settle for paddle boarding

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foilrider@reddit (OP)

Could be worse, you could have had to go to work.

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Haha, so I moved on to a houseboat on the channel, and I don't think anybody works. I know more of my neighbors now than I ever have before, and it's all about getting on everybody else's boats... and potted plants

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blakeley@reddit

Any One Eyed Willie sightings? I heard The Inferno is still missing…

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foilrider@reddit (OP)

Not unless you count the type you get at Rooster Rock State Park.

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joshea585@reddit

Knew it was the Gorge from the wind lol

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kwajagimp@reddit

I had to do a double take... White spinnakers? Beautiful sailing, looks like!

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n0exit@reddit

White spinnakers are racey. Makes it harder for a competitor at a distance to tell you're flying. At least that's what I was told by the guy who sold me a white spinnaker.

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TriXandApple@reddit

Clearly that guy doesn't sell black mains haha.

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n0exit@reddit

My boat's class rules don't allow composite mains. Dacron only for the main. I can do composite for the genoa, but in my class at least, I think people are split on whether it is worth it.

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foilrider@reddit (OP)

I agree, we have too many white spinnakers here and more boats should get brightly colored ones. :)

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burger-breath@reddit

Take that hull speed

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jschall2@reddit

They'd go faster if they put some weight towards the front of the boat, yeah?

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Elvis-Tech@reddit

Dont know, because the hull is planing already, but with a full displacement sailing hull. So Im not sure if driving the bow down would increase drag and prevent it from.planing.

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TriXandApple@reddit

A J70 is not a displacement hull.

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Elvis-Tech@reddit

Is it supposed to plane?

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TriXandApple@reddit

Polars says it planes above 11kts downwind.

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Elvis-Tech@reddit

I see then it it operates in both regimes

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TriXandApple@reddit

Is there any boat that operates exclusively in the planing regime?

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Elvis-Tech@reddit

Yes! Most motorboats arent really designed or adjusted at all for full displacement mode. The propellers slip, the hull is very inneficient. Can you go 8 knots on a speedboat? Sure but it wasnt designed like that. Thats why you see a flat transom for clean water separation. If you see the hull of a J70 it has a vertical stem a curved hull following water flow and a raising stern. The hull follows similar lines than a larger sailboat compared to a say speedboat. In theory any ship could plane, but not all ships are designed to do so. This j70 can probably do both succesfully depending on the power output and wind direction of the sail. I dont think you can plane while goin close hauled to be honest.

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TriXandApple@reddit

Cape 31, farr 280, jpk1180, all the new clubswans are just some of the examples of hulls of the last decade that have polars that exceed hull speed upwind.

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TriXandApple@reddit

Hull speed for a J70 is 6.35kts. At 22kts TWS target downwind speed is 12.5kts. That means this is in full plane mode, and so all your weight needs to do is dig the rudder in.

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drunkshimodadotbiz@reddit

nah that'd dig the bow in and they'd probably come off the plane. non-plane = weight forward generally plane = weight back very easy to feel on a planing dinghy

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foilrider@reddit (OP)

Probably not. Weight back like this is [standard crew placement in planing conditions.](https://youtu.be/-R2NNS0EvPY?si=_bi0AjF_AqUa09yc) This keeps the bow from digging into waves and helps keeps the boat on plane. It is slow in non-planing conditions. When the wind is up and down and you are on and off plane, then the crew is moving around a lot. These guys were also leading the race at this point so nobody else was managing to do a better job than they were. Their crew placement looks pretty good to me.

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63pelicanmailman@reddit

My thought too. But it looks like they were leading the pack?

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feastu@reddit

Take that, hull speed.

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Elvis-Tech@reddit

Who cares about hull speed when you can fully plane with a sailboat hull? No but seriously that spinnacher is putting out like 50 horse power

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hypnotoad23@reddit

They’ve gone plaid!

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ruidh@reddit

We don't need no stinkin' hull speed!

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foilrider@reddit (OP)

Does "Where we're going, we don't need hull speed" work here as well?

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Bfb38@reddit

What do you get when you juice a bear?

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Fornicate_Yo_Mama@reddit

Came here for this. Holy planing, Batman!

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grant837@reddit

Bit too much weight aft, but God, I wish I could sail again....planning is such an awesome feeling.

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Aslevjal_901@reddit

I’ve never had a surf like that! I dream of the day I’ll be able to do it

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kenlbear@reddit

That little J flies!

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betelgeuse63110@reddit

Fun boat. I race a Martin 243 that also loves to plane. Constructive criticism - looks like maybe your weight and CG was maybe a bit too far aft.

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lemon_tea@reddit

Damn that looks fun.

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MrSnowden@reddit

What kind of boat that its up on plane like that?

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endowedchair@reddit

I thought at first glance they were Melges 20s. Very similar boats.

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get_MEAN_yall@reddit

Literally says it on the sail lol

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MrSnowden@reddit

ha! watched the video and then thought of the Q!

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jh937hfiu3hrhv9@reddit

J70

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overthehillhat@reddit

Mountains and wind shifts? That might make this even more fun - -

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buckyball60@reddit

Racing in the Gorge is definitely a home town advantage place. Not only do you have wind shadows and odd shifts near the banks, but you have a channel that isn't always in the center. And the current runs opposite to the wind direction which complicates the decision to stay on the shore or stay in the higher mid river wind. Oh, and the opposite current to wind leads to sharp nearly standing waves. Which can really throw off the timing upwind for dinghy sailors.

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Quetzalcoatlus5@reddit

I mean, can’t it technically only run opposite for half a race?

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buckyball60@reddit

Yeah, against current on the downwind. If you are planing then who cares much about the current, if not, is it worth moving in-shore? Upwind, the current is helping but also where the waves are the tallest to take on the nose.

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