Don't give a damn about the porn, though what the hell is the engine this dude uses like holy shit some of these have such high quality graphics and animation.
If OP at any point specified they were talking about finding Part II's Ellie hot, then this post might be fine (except for the family not knowing that she was 19 in that one, compared to being underaged in Part I and in the first season of the show, which would still be part of the joke).
However, it's pretty much because OP never specified at what point she was considered hot (even to the greentext audience), that the whole ordeal is considered quite sus.
It was just disappointing. They promised an Ellie and Joel adventure and CLEARLY that wasn't the case.
And the story just didn't do it for me. But if you liked it, then that's good on you. I'm fine with people liking it, it's when they insult me for not liking it that it gets annoying.
People have been insulting each other for liking or not liking it in general, that’s why I just don’t bring it up unless we’re already talking about it
gets downvoted to oblivion for asking if a character is underage, im unsure if people are mad because you should just know all the information ever or because you are checking if someone being sexualized is a minor
I watched some scenes of it with my mom and I think the weirdest part was when the two girls are looking at lingerie and one of them says "I was thinking about what you would look like in that."
I get it, the actress is 19, but the character is 14. That's weird.
Aren’t the two in question Ellie and the friend she was into canonically? Its a little weird to watch but at age 14 kids are definitely exploring their own sexualities and is not out of the realm of possibility for one 14 year old to say to another they’re attracted to provided they know what lingerie are. Now if the producers instead *showed them wearing it* that would be fucked up.
I felt it necessary to say because the idea tweenagers dont know about/arent exploring *their own* sexuality at that age is pervasive and a big part of the “X turned my kids gay!” Thought processes, if that makes any sense.
Is that really so weird? It’s around the age kids really start ramping up in their sexuality and all. Post apocalyptic world with no adults to really say otherwise for what is an orphan makes sense.
The people replying to you insinuating you cant discuss children's sexual development in a non-predatory way are creeping me out a bit. If it's just a knee-jerk reaction to seeing discussion like this, i def get it, and it's prolly more good than bad, but if you can't accept that kids experience sexuality without thinking about them in a sexual way, you might want to think about why that is.
The question was about whether it’s right to sexualise kids on tv. The answer was “yes because they sexually mature at a young age so strangers should totally ‘guide them through’ the process”
Stop sympathising with a pedophile unless you want me to ‘guide you through’ the process of getting a knife in the throat
You have no argument for your claims, you have nothing to say. All you have is irrational anger at being proven a degenerate and expect to be taken seriously
I’m a badass because everything i type out has substance
Point out what ive said that youve proven wrong lmfao.
Maybe stop being so fucking stupid and learn to read usernames before you spaz out lmao. Fuckin dumbass rambo cosplayer
I don’t know what you’re blabbering about. I read that idiotic comments were made by someone named Benyhana and called Benyhana an idiot.
Too hard for you to comprehend? Maybe learn to read :(
Dont you have some more pedos to go catch superman? Someone could be talking online right now and youre not there!
Fucking lol. Go threaten more people
I haven’t watched the show, how the fuck should i know?
I’m making fun of the guy who’s arguments to it are “it’s realistic because teens sexy sex all the time” as if that’s relevant to anything
How the fuck is that not relevant? It’s literally the single most relevant piece of information. If teens didn’t actually have sexual thoughts the scene wouldn’t exist in the first place. It’s not like they’re parading underage girls around naked, they’re trying to right realistic dialogue between two young women who like each other. You wanna know something? Teens actually do talk about “sexy sex” often, especially if they’re into each other.
Let me explain it to you in simple words:
A character murders another character.
Person A says that’s okay because murder is great. I call person A mentally stunted for thinking murder is okay.
Then it’s revealed the act was done in self defense.
Suddenly i am ok with the character murdering. But my opinion on person A being mentally stunted doesn’t change one bit
https://i.imgur.com/OLqHONR.png
As you can see, the actual show has no revelance. Person A said “is it THAT weird to murder?” and proceeds to give studies that show people want to murder. THAT, is cognitive deficit behaviour.
Oh I’m sorry I thought the comment said something along the lines of:
“I watched some scenes of it with my mom and I think the weirdest part was when the two girls are looking at lingerie and one of them says "I was thinking about what you would look like in that."
I get it, the actress is 19, but the character is 14. That's weird.”
I guess I’m mistaken though because the show in question is of no relevance. I’m gonna go ahead and believe you’re just stubborn because there’s no way you can be this mentally deficient.
That’s not another comment you complete buffoon. That’s the main body of the comment which you conveniently cropped out of your screen shot to prove your nonsensical point.
Oh I’m sorry… I thought you actually could be excused for focusing on the edit instead of the full comment. Instead you’re focused on the entirely innocent comment at the bottom… are you actually serious right now?
You really didn't though. Because the second half of their comment is literally describing your reaction to the topic being discussed: a knee jerk reaction to something generally regarded as "off limits". You're allowed to discuss the sexuality of adolescents without sexualizing them, unless you think child psychologists and therapists are all just pedophiles and should be ashamed of their work?
The show has two teenagers at the age where they start exploring themselves. There's literally a single 10 second scene where they use non-explicit language to portray this. "I was wondering what you'd look like in that" to a normal viewer is just telling you what's going on in their minds. It's not like they dove into a deep dirty talk session or actually showed a child in lingerie.
All the scene was supposed to do was show you that despite everything that's going on they're still teenagers at heart and are going through similar experiences that real people do. Now there's a bunch of people mad at HBO because they can't watch a woman say lingerie without pp get hard so it must be the show writers' fault for making them think that way, AND YOU'RE A PEDO IF YOU DON'T AGREE!!1!😡1!
The point was, Mr extra chromosome, that children are already talking like that. That's normal child behavior, that's a normal Monday for them, and Tuesday, and Wednesday and everyday as they develop in puberty. That was us, that's them now, and so it will be with every generation of the majority of human beings throughout past, present and future history. The script depicting a teen in puberty as a bit horny is more than accurate, it's the basic fucking truth of how it was for us as teens, and how it is and will be for teens. I think the weirdest onea here are the people implying that teens should be depicted as chaste saints with no dirty thoughts when that's basically like 50% of their mental existence.
Bla bla bla, could you be any more needlessly wordy? It’s like you think extending a 2 sentence comment into 2 essays makes it any less idiotic.
Your point is that it’s okay because it’s accurate. I narrowed your word salad for you. But i still don’t see why it matters in an argument about a fictional movie. Should you see every pore in a characters asscheeks in a toilet scene? It’s accurate depiction of an ass, but no way relevant in an argument
Who's showing all the pixels of their vaginas anyway? If people are shitting they show them as shitting in the toilet. There's no recording of the shit itself. But they shit and it's shown sometimes. It's the same here with the small comment that shows a normal mood. You just proved my point without even knowing by displaying exactly to what degree the sexuality is shown: to the same extent as a person shitting is shown to be shitting. They weren't shown fucking even though teens do often fuck.
Then where’s the fucking problem? No need to be sending all this weird ass research about sexual development in children about a scene where no sexual shit is shown in the first place
You're the one with the problem randomly criticizing shit. I'm not complaining about the post or the research comment, just about your whining about pedophilia in a post and comment chain where there isn't any.
I have a problem with the guy thinking his arguments have any value against the sexualisation of kids in media.
If your show about lesbian kissing makes you happy then watch it, i aint got shit to do with you
Thing is, we're talking about a show about anything and there's a teen who makes a slightly horny comment, and people complain that it's "sezualizing kids" as if it were anything special, including you, and he came and said it's normal, and you're here comparing it with a show about lesbians kissing. You're talking about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the case at hand.
I’m getting a bit sick of repeating things I’ve said before so open your eyes now, okay?
I’m calling someone else stupid because he makes retarded points, not the show itself. As you said it can be about anything it doesn’t matter. Certainly not to me
We agree on a lot here so I’m not sure what your rectum is burning from. Piss off
is there something im missing? their post was directly in a response talking about sexualizing children not a post about when children go through puberty and start experiencing changes in their body sexually those are 2 very different things
I get it too. It’s not like I enjoy it. It’s just something extremely important. It’s like wiping your infants shitty butthole. It’s just something you have to know about and have to know how to deal with. It’s gross if you think too much about it and your initial reaction is always going to be “oh man I’ve gotta wipe my sons ass again.” But what are you going to do? Leave your son in a shitty diaper and pretend it doesn’t exist just because it makes you uncomfortable? Some point, you just stop caring about the discomfort and move on. Parents with multiple children are the prime example of non-professionals with this. By their second kid, they’ve come to learn it’s completely normal. By their third kid, they’re pros and know exactly where the red flags are.
It definitely is weird, but it’s expected that some will. They don’t know any better. It’s more exploratory than anything else because their understanding doesn’t go much further than “that’s an interesting feeling” or “why is it so different?” I’ve dealt with it, and it’s still quite jarring to me.
It’s called being an informed adult who knows what the responsibility of being in a child’s life entails. Half of the average pediatrician’s meetings are specifically to tell new parents “it is normal for your child to masturbate. You have to teach them when, where, and with who it’s appropriate- and make sure they’re not sticking shit in their holes because I don’t want a call in the middle of the night saying I have to come to the ER to remove it.”
I just looked them up for the less informed and for people who want to pretend like I’m pulling the info out my ass. It took me all of five seconds to type “sexual development in children” and “childhood sexuality.” Every parent knows this shit because they raised their kids. Every adult should know it as well, but seem to forget what it was like being a horny kid with no idea wtf they’re doing and then discovering masturbation.
I already commented it for someone else. It takes five seconds to google “sexual development in children” and “childhood sexuality.” If you must know, I’m an EMT, I work with autistic children currently, and I’m in med school. For all three of those, it’s necessary that I know these things. As an EMT, it’s key for me to be able to spot normal child behaviour vs that which seems unhealthy/suspicious. As someone who works with autistic kids- you try dealing with nonverbal Suzy who’s masturbating on the table while her parents refuse to acknowledge it or correct the behaviour. Childhood development is just a normal thing you learn in medical, but you should also be learning that shit in fucking middle school as well. Even if I weren’t a professional and studying for a doctorates, I had a basic primary education and remember being a child. We were all kissing eachother as little kids. Some kids started getting really into masturbating early. Some kids started fucking eachother as early teenagers and we all knew who those kids were. And I distinctly remember my teenage sisters asking our parents for their first pair of “fancy” underwear as young teens just like every other teen that trusted their parents did. And my parents being normal people, took them to go get “lingerie” that was really just a pair of matching panties and bra with frilly outlines for them to show off to the other girls in gym class.
It’s pretty weird that y’all are so terrified of looking up basic biology and development journals. Tf else do you have in your search history that this is suddenly so scary?
This isn’t a show for 14 year olds discovering their sexuality or anything like that it didn’t need to get the awkward spotlight it did lol.simple as that.
One of the most pivotal moments in the series is literally the girl murdering a cannibal pedophile and going absolutely ballistic over it because he nearly had his way. But go off king.
I’m ngl. Greentext members are not even close to autistic. It’s all one big larp to cope about being a maladapted asshole. It’s funny until you peel the mask away and 90% of the people aren’t joking for the same reason as you. It’s actually kind of funny because zoomers have this plague of thinking they’re all autistic or mentally disabled in some way as well when it’s really just that they’re young and stupid. Like no bro, you’re not touched by the tism and non-binary; you’re just a bit of an asshole and have a fashion sense. Greentext is exactly these kids, but refusing to mature past 15 (ironic isn’t it). We look at entitled asshole boomers and Karen’s like they’re some sort of different breed, but they’re exactly the same save for the fact that they absolutely didn’t want to be called autistic.
I’ve realized there’s a mix of trolls, stupid, and a cultural barrier of some sorts despite me also being an American. The responses I’ve got have led me to believe that not a single one of these people is 14 and every single one of them is a man with one issue or another.
Calm down and look at those comments again. Yes they look like human, but you know there's only trolls around here. It's just enough Internet for you today
I’m really scared now. We went from kids talking about lingerie to talking about kids and their masturbatory habits. This is like a car crash I can’t look away from.
I have two textbooks specifically about childhood development, adolescent development, and a metric fuckton of diagnostic manuals on what the standard anatomy and physiology of people of all ages should be. One of those links is to the ncbs and has a database with hundreds, if not thousands, of related entries. Would be very odd for me to be on a watch list for state/federal standards of education and federally provided information.
Wtf is this post man this shit is bizarre
I know crazy people can have different experiences. Me personally as I guy I didn’t really start to fantasize or even conceptualize that I could really go out and have sex with someone I know until like 16-17.
14 is a little weird for that level of detail. But not nearly as bizarre as even citing sources lmao.
Yeah probably the last of us does not really qualify as a sex ed teaching resource, which a lot of people seem to be getting hung up on, haha.
It's important to depict healthy and realistic teen relationships in media thougb.
1) They’re arguing that they don’t wanna see that depicted on tv. TV should be for enjoyment, and it being “accurate” is still uncomfortable for many, many people. 2) the phrase “sexually repressing children” is fucking WILD. Yeah, a literal child should be protected from sexual harm, I support that repression.
I agree with you if we’re talking abt cuties level of like seeing children twerking and stuff. But my guy, we are literally talking about two girls saying what they are attracted to. If you’re against teenagers being able to express what they’re attracted to, that absolutely is repression.
I don't like seeing teenagers in a sexual context. Period. It makes me uncomfortable. In real life, yes, teens will discuss sexual stuff, and that's fine and normal. I just find it odd and uncomfortable in media because that meant a (most likely male) adult writer had to write these things out, and a younger looking actor (or god forbid a child actor) had to say the lines. It's a very weird dynamic that at best is a more accurate depiction of real life, and at worst will make some pedophiles get excited.
There's 13 year old touching eachother right now i can guarantee you that, everyone has gone through it. Just because some people aren't sexually repressed and are in fact comfortable with seeing this part of growing up depicted in media, does not mean they actively enjoy or want to see it, or even get aroused by it. It's normal, deal with it.
People who are this quick and ready to try and brand someone a pedophile definitely have smth to hide. I have a feeling he's probably on a watch list already.
they're not wearing panties and twerking in the camera (cuties cough cough) they're just talking about lingerie, it's normal for kids to find eachother hot
Yes, and there was a big thing called the patriot act anyways. Your ISP knows everything you’re looking at, and are required to cooperate with 3 letter agencies/law enforcement for investigations into these types of things. None of us are hiding anything for very long if it’s worth being looked into.
Whats it like being so stupid you think people must pay to have others agree with them? To have such shitty takes you simply cant fathom that you could just be a fucking moron, oh no!
Neato pal. And you are just oh so very important that someone had to buy upvotes to win an internet argument against you! Yes you are! Cuz youre such a big strong smart boy!
Fucking delusional lmao
What are you gay? I was definitely into girls at 14 and looking up porn online, you’re literally a highschool freshman at that point. What kind of sheltered world does a 14 year old not be a horny degenerate
Look you shouldn’t have sex with people that young if you’re an adult but when I was a teenager I was given a VERY repressed view of sexuality and even to this day I’m a little terrified of it. Fucked me up real bad feeling like I couldn’t explore my sexuality at all at that age
>But that still doesn't make it okay.
Neither is fighting reality my dude, teenagers have sex. Many people have sex young, it's just regular human behaviour and it it perfectly acceptable to talk about because the alternative is repression and misery.
normal =/= appropriate. If most people do it, it's normal. If most people disapprove of it (whether or not they partake in it), it's inappropriate.
regardless, I doubt a horny teenager is going to care about popular views on underage sexual activity. I first had sex at 12 which I admit was too early, but most people I knew had done it by 15.
that's literally what my comment said. but note that this topic is what is being discussed in this comment section. I'm not about to go "oh, I won't share my opinion on this because the topic is inappropriate even though the post and my opinion concerns it".
if you're going to have a realistic post-apocalyptic world (you know, TLOU's calling card), there's going to be a lot of sex. Like, the amount of sex teens have today, but doubled.
I still have memories of experimenting with other kids when I was young, starting in the first grade, maybe even kindergarten, so I was about 5-6 years old. Long before I had any concept of sex. Experimentation is normal
What makes this funnier is that I just got downvoted and temp banned in another sub. I get downvoted plenty and I just leave the comments up- even when I’m wrong and I make a mistake, I leave an edit up apologizing and then leave it up.
I mean, you realize that talking about how little you care about internet points is exactly the same thing you're accusing the poster of, right?
Why was your first reaction to assume the votes were bought? Did you consider that people just might not agree with you?
Well I updated it with a bunch of links just for people like you. Go enjoy how you’re the weirdo that’s uncomfortable with normal children being normal children.
I would've preferred if they had something less sexual and more subtle. I don't want to think about 14 year olds getting horny. I would've preferred if they looked at a poster of a woman with nice hair and she made a comment about seeing her look cute with that hair. Then it's more romantic than sexual. And it doesn't weirdly give away she has a major crush on her.
Bro, don’t reproduce if you haven’t already. It’s one of the most human things about us. As adults, we must guide our children. We’re supposed to teach kids how to safely explore themselves when they reach this age. The point of TLOU is to tell a story first and foremost. Part of that story is about children with no real parents in a post apocalyptic world becoming the family of some random rogue man who starts off entirely consumed by the apocalypse and then finds himself rising to the occasion of being a father.
>Either you accept your role as an adult and guide them in the direction of health/safety, or you try to repress your humanity like a degenerate fuck who is too regarded to live in reality without being a pedo
14 is legal in plenty of places, always found it weird how Americans have created a closed beta for teens to fuck each other lol.
I’m pretty sure it’s the same in the US. Teens are allowed to fuck eachother as long as the age difference isn’t too much. And that’s ok if it’s all healthy and safe. But I feel like everyone is going to agree that if some senior is fucking a freshman, we’re going to treat them like a predator. Legal doesn’t mean it’s healthy and safe. It’s legal so that we’re not punishing kids for being kids when everything is safe, not so that predators and pedos can get away with it.
>I’m pretty sure it’s the same in the US. Teens are allowed to fuck eachother as long as the age difference isn’t too much.
No, for instance in Italy 14 is legal between a teen and an adult (unless the adult is in a position of power like a teacher) ; teens fucking teens is not any more wholesome either though, like 2/3rds of rapes committed against teens are by other teens, this stuff is always messy.
I’m not surprised by that rape statistic honestly. The most likely person sexually assault or rape you is someone close to you. Kids being stupid is just going to exacerbate the issue.
Yeah, I guess pediatricians are as well considering one of the biggest blights on their practices are parents that need to be told their kids are normal.
I don’t know, my pediatrician did feel up my balls when I went in a couple of times… She claims it was to check for testicular cancer, but was it really? Yes.
My pediatrician kept asking me if I was having sex or sexual urges. Must’ve been sexualizing me and trying to get in my pants. He even kicked my mom out of the room to touch my balls and ask me sex questions sometimes. What a pedo.
I think the piece you might be missing here is that the comments replying to you are pretty normal viewpoints in north american society. People are bad at dealing with depictions of teen sexuality because we have many unhelpful cultural attitudes around sexuality, in general. I mean, I know many men who still refuse to go into the lingerie store with their partner.
This scene didn't make me uncomfortable but, in the context of our society, I can understand why it would make some uncomfortable. I don't share this viewpoint (there is much racier stuff) but I can understand it.
I guess my TLDR point of posting is that we are at products of our culture. Someone finding something uncomfortable that our culture has conditioned us to be uncomfortable with isn't a surprise. So, although I'm sure some people replying to you are alt right neckbeards pushing for abstinence only education, I don't know if we can necessarily infer that from this.
Thank you for taking the time to post those links, they were super interesting.
Then you’ll have kids sexually assaulting eachother, getting stds, getting pregnant, and getting hurt. Oppressing and repressing it actively hurts kids and always has. You’ll have a son or daughter who’s going out and fucking and you won’t know until one of them is 25 weeks pregnant or smells putrid because of their crotch infection.
For real, at least TLOU showed Ellie actually have to emotionally process taking another person's life. Something far more harmful to a child than a comment about lingerie. But violence is so normalized in America.
idk why americans are so scared of children having sexual urges? it leads to those videos of like 12 yr olds with a 4 month old baby because noones educated on sex
Mf is watching a show where children are murdered in cold blood, but 2 teenagers just talking about lingerie (literally the age people are beginning to explore their sexuality) is too far? You realize a lot of teenagers do way more than talk about lingerie, right? The show isn’t sexualizing children, it’s portraying the awkward part of adolescence that EVERYONE goes through where you’re trying to figure out your sexuality.
If I remember correctly it was something like “nobody under the age of 18 should have sexual feelings”. And then they called it a sin or a crime or something 🤷🏼♂️
>watched some scenes of it with my mom and I think the weirdest part was when the two girls are looking at lingerie and one of them says "I was thinking about what you would look like in that."
*That* is the scene you had a problem with?
There's literally a scene where Ellie has to come to terms with killing another human being and that's the scene you felt uncomfortable with?
Do you not see how that's US cultural brainwashing? Sex is taboo but violence is always perfectly fine.
Cuties sexualised real children. THAT was the issue. It's that it was telling a mature story at the expense of real people. In the same way that murder is okay to show on television so long as nobody is hurt, sexualising fictional characters is okay so long as nobody is hurt. We all know both of these things are wrong, and if you're basing your morality off of tv shows, you have the iq of a fish either way.
I know that's weird, but kids do that. Like when in tv, the son steals his dad's porn mag and shows it to his friends. It's not sexualizing the kids, it's acknowledging that kids do that and that they have sexuality. That's the difference between this and cuties, you don't show them in the lingerie, that would be gross and sexualizing, but like girls, their age, they talk about it. (They also probably try on the lingerie, as that's what I did at their age, but they don't show that). Like, if I have a kid, I have to acknowledge they're going to be horny and masterbate and have sex at some point. Now, there's a huge difference between me talking to them about safe sex, condoms, consent, etc in general and me either talking about how they masterbate in detail or watching them do it
Thies isn’t sexualisation? It’s just showing them having a sexuality. I haven’t seen the show yet, but if they don’t show them modelling the stuff it’s all right.
Theres nuance here that no one is saying. Is it inappropriate because kids might see it? Or because adults might get off on it?
If its for the sake of teen viewers, come on, they say and do worse.
If the mention (not showing, just mention) of a teen in underwear is too hot for you, i now see why my male high school teachers really "hated" girls wearing tanktops with straps smaller than an inch. Also ankles were pretty spicey too at one point.
Dont visit a victorias secret, i got really really bad news about who shops there and idk if your dominant hand could take it.
*innocent flirting, probably more tame than what irl 14 yos would say*
Anon, who has never touched a woman: SHE ISN'T FLIRTING WITH ME SO IT'S WRONG SEETHE
You can recognize that humans are sexual beings after a certain age without SEXUALIZING them, I would argue. There is a distinct difference. Should we actually act as though humans have 0 sexuality until 18?
Yeah, academically, I understand that these sorts of scenes mirror reality and also that kids think about sex before they turn 18. But they can still feel weird. I don't personally feel weird about this particular scene but I understand where you're coming from.
Something like euphoria, I feel a bit weird watching at times - high school kids getting high and having sex. Obviously, that happens lol, but I can still feel weird watching it on screen.
To your edit - I would say that I often feel the same as you do. I do, however, think that there is a distinction between sexually objectifying children and presenting a realistic depiction of teen sexuality.
I dunno, I don't have all the answers. I don't think that your discomfort is unreasonable. I think that some people replying to you were unnecessarily impolite but that doesn't mean that they are sexualizing children for being more comfortable with these particular scenes.
Ultimately, I think what many comments miss is that- yes, teen sexuality is a normal part of growing up but it is still something that many adults find awkward and difficult to discuss (think of how many sitcoms made jokes about "the birds and the bees" convos).
I don't think we should treat being uncomfortable with a subject that many people in our society are uncomfortable with as a moral failing.
It isn’t sexualisation of children when this is something that actual children go through. Children at the age of 14 definitely have sexual thoughts, they’re growing up and exploring their sense of sexuality. It’s important to educate them so they know not to outright start having sex at that age.
It's weird to sexualise children, but a teenager having sexual thoughts definitely isn't, and shying away from that gives of the wrong idea that it's taboo or disgusting.
It's a little weird in the show when Ellie does super immature stuff but the actress looks older. Like the scene in the gas station with the pinball machine.
I guess it's hard to find an actor that can play Ellie for both part I and part II with the giant time gap between
Difference between showing girls on screen twerking and a kid having interest in sexual stuff. Ellie as a character from the first game is pretty crass in general
I just now spent a few minutes scrolling "Max" looking for something to watch. I've noticed lately if you're straight and male you get car crashes and shootouts - action genre. Everything else seems to be for kids, or women, or various marginalized groups
[Your Logical fallacy is Strawman](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman)
> You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.
> By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate.
My favorite current streaming series is [From (2022–)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9813792/) which is not on Max
The protagonist, the sheriff, is a straight black male, a widower from an interracial marriage. The rival group across town is led by an strong female leader of mature years. The town doctor is gay.
**It's the writing, not the diversity of the characters or the casting.** In the episodes I've seen the sheriff's race is never discussed, nor is the female leader's gender and age, nor the sexual orientation of the town doctor. They're just **people** in a tough situation trying to work together and survive as best they can.
If the writers spent most of the story talking about the sheriff struggling against racism to lead his town, the rival female leader overcoming sexism and ageism to lead her group, or the town doctor struggling against homophobia to treat the sick, I would lose interest unless I was also a member of that marginalized group - and even then, not sure I **always** want stories about discrimination.
Except I didn’t strawman you schizo, I asked you a question about your statement on where you can find straight male protagonists
Wtf are you rambling about? What are you talking about race and shit? I didn’t ask about your opinions on race, I asked you about where else you can find straight male protagonists
You’d need to also be a minority in order to relate to being judged for preconceptions of their person or you’d lose interest?
> you schizo
[Your logical fallacy is ad hominem](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem)
> You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
> Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.
You want to make this a debate about whether there are ample straight male actors in media, but that's not what my original comment was about as I tried to explain in my reply. THE GIANT BOLDED PART ABOVE if your reading skills are poor. I'm fine with diverse casting.
Not that fallacy either Schizo because I didn’t insult you to discredit your argument, I insulted you and THEN explained why the shit you said makes no sense. Did you learn the word fallacy yesterday?
No I don’t you fucking idiot, I asked you a question about where you can find straight male characters in shit other than action movies on hbo max. I don’t give a fuck about your opinions on casting, remove the brick lodged in your brain please
> you fucking idiot
[Your logical fallacy is ad hominem](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem)
> You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
> Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.
> the shit you said...
Which you didn't read, because you're a dullard with poor reading skills who thinks they identified somebody from the opposite political camp to insult, *but you're wrong.*
You keep doing this and displaying you have no clue what a fallacy is rtard
I did read it you schizo freak, it holds no relevance to what I asked you. I asked you nothing to do with your opinion on diversity. None of what you said holds meaning and this little tantrum you’re doing about my question is insane.
Yeah I know, I wish there were more lite romcoms where two straight, cis, white men have various awkward encounters, progressively falling head over heels for each other without even really knowing it until one rainy night their desperate need for one another becomes too much and they make passionate love in the rain.
No it doesn't it creates the biggest problem for people. No such thing as a successful lobotomy. You will have your memory fall, your IQ fall, and will lose motor skills.
They’re all looking at you like, did you think the actress would’ve let you fuck her if she was hot? Isn’t there enough porn on the internet that they can cast who they want for this one thing
Tbf he didn't say he was personally attracted to her. You can think someone is hot/cute without being attracted to them.
And to also be fair, Ellie was adorable in the first game. But in the show she looks like Gollum
Exactly. I think my 3 year old sister is hot, but it's not like I'm attracted to her jeez. It's perfectly normal to talk about children like this. >!It's not. And it's gross.!<
Where did I say I was uncomfortable? I'm just yelling you that that's not how it works.
While you can find people objectively attractive and not feel anything towards them, if the person in question is 10 or younger, then there IS a not-low chance something may be wrong with your brain.
Mfs got really weird about Ellie in the show and remake of last of us 1. Idk why the fuck they want a 14 year old child to look like a vogue model but whatever
no it's not dumbass, shit like this is why Nazis aren't called out for their fascism because when they over use the term nazi and fascist so much people just think "another one? sure buddy" when a fascist is called out because anything makes someone a nazi just like if you call two teens joking about one looking good CP then it takes away from real CP because if something as small as that is child porn then people don't care as much when actual children being gang raped is reported because "it's probably just bullshit again who cares"
really? that's why he had to type paragraphs and paragraphs and you retard channies think "errrm fucking kids is NOT bad actually" so fuck normalcy ig. you're a degenerate and i hope they lock you up
Find a single fucking person whos said that shit here. One.
You wont. Because youre making shit up to strawman against because youre fucking stupid, pathetic and weak irl so you have to come online and pretend to be some superhero. Fuck off lol
okay let me make this as simple as possible for you:
-season one of the show focuses on the first game
-in the first game ellie is a child
-anon claimed that ellie wasn't as hot in the show so he didnt like it
-anon thinks kids = hot
suck on my dick harder
Stay a dumbfuck lmao. Cant help but notice you couldnt quote a single person? "HURR SOME RANDO ON 4CHIN SAID" well 4chan is full of actual pedos unlike the shit you and your fellow 50 year olds on facebook like to call pedos.
It's called desterilization I think. Very common between nurses when they talk about patients like they're just another item to collect in a warehouse.
Anon was referring to Part 1.
The conversation was surrounding the TV show, and if Anon had watched it , and he said Ellie wasn't as a hot as she was in the game(Part 1)
Part 2 was never part of the conversation.
Oh no there were degenerate people online who were actually mad that the show chose the actor for ellie because she wasn't hot enough. They were also mad at the recent remaster of the last of us part 1 because they made the 3D model of young Ellie less hot.
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Maybe I'm just a bad person, but I was distracted in the show by how actively ugly she was. It's not like I wanted her to be hot; as you said, she's a kid. But damn she didn't need to be so distractingly ugly. Terrible casting by HBO imo. Ellie from the game is also super expressive; the actress was worse than Bella from Twilight in terms of lack of facial expressions.
It's not that anyone wants her to be attractive, but why does she look like Gollum? Fr I'd drop that bitch off a mile outta the nearest town and book it. Ellie from the game though? She's adorable and must be protected.
Cute kids and cute animals, our brains are wired to keep them safe. Not true for ugly kids/animals
I’d believe that if I saw that, but nobody has been saying anything about a cute actress to portray her, it’s always been that the actress ain’t attractive. A child character shouldn’t need to have a casting requirement for attractiveness and it’s weird to see people say child Ellie was attractive
Also very weird thing to say you wouldn’t want to keep an ugly kid safe, never heard anyone say that. Majority of babies look ugly as hell to me but people are normally highly protective of them and I guess I would too if I had to be
Well, you don't have to be attracted to someone to find them attractive.
I can objectively say a few of my female friends are attractive but I'm not into them.
The fact that you guys think calling a child ugly means you're a pedophile is mind blowing. Like...wtf is wrong with you people? You that scared to point out the idea that some children look better than others? As if there isn't a difference between general attractiveness & actual sexual attraction. You not being able to differentiate is actually kind of gross.
I don't focus on that either, but I DO focus on how much a kid looks like Gollum.
Joel is a better man than me, I'd drop that things ass off an run outta town as fast as possible. Even the clickers aren't so terrifying to look at
I mean think about it, if a kid who looked like Gollum needed your protection, or a kid who looked like and adorable little angel needed you, which one would you choose?
They're both kids??? I don't understand why the look of the child is relevant?? Are you seriously implying you'd just ignore an ugly kid that needed help?
I would not have made it to season seven of supernatural if dean and Sam weren't easy on the eyes. I refuse to watch centaur world because the animation is gross to me
I think the piece you might be missing here is that the comments replying to you are pretty normal viewpoints in north american society. People are bad at dealing with depictions of teen sexuality because we have many unhelpful cultural attitudes around sexuality, in general. I mean, I know many men who still refuse to go into the lingerie store with their partner.
This scene didn't make me uncomfortable but, in the context of our society, I can understand why it would make some uncomfortable. I don't share this viewpoint (there is much racier stuff) but I can understand it.
I guess my TLDR point of posting is that we are at products of our culture. Someone finding something uncomfortable that our culture has conditioned us to be uncomfortable with isn't a surprise. So, although I'm sure some people replying to you are alt right neckbeards pushing for abstinence only education, I don't know if we can necessarily infer that from this.
Thank you for taking the time to post those links, they were super interesting.
Damn, Imagine being so ingrained in a "internet culture" that you forget what is fine to say outside of it, even more so because you are a FUCKING adult.
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